View Full Version : I so fed up with all the VS QQing that they need a buff.
Sunrock
2012-09-11, 02:03 PM
http://www.planetside-universe.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=895&stc=1&d=1347386111
Ok when this had happen at 7pm CEST on EU 1 we have had tried to fight VS for an hour to take and secure Paris but even if we fielded more infantry and the same amount of tanks we had no chance against there magriders and shythe. They just shred us to peaces as they always try to come in and fight in close quarters.
Maybe if they bather to fix the recoil on the skyguard... But as VS never try to engage anyone at long range TR have a real problem dealing with them.
Maybe its just that TR sucks so really bad on EU 01 witch I start to believe.
Who else think its retarded of the VS to demand damage buffs all over the place?
TestyVenom
2012-09-11, 02:05 PM
A couple of their weapons might need some tweaking, but they do not, by any means, need a general buff. As a whole, the VS have some of the best weapons in the game, followed by the TR.
Quovatis
2012-09-11, 02:13 PM
The only thing that is ridiculously underpowered for the VS right now is their sniper rifle. Everything else is fine, at least in a relative sense.
The only thing that is ridiculously underpowered for the VS right now is their sniper rifle. Everything else is fine, at least in a relative sense.
I've only found it hard to use at really long range, but they all are due to warping.
Sunrock
2012-09-11, 02:24 PM
A couple of their weapons might need some tweaking, but they do not, by any means, need a general buff. As a whole, the VS have some of the best weapons in the game, followed by the TR.
I see TR more as the average faction when it comes to weapon power. The only thing TR have going for them is the MAX unit.
But when it comes to other vehicles both VS and NC have more specialized vehicles. For an example the Vanguard and the Magrider is better then Prowler 1 vs 1 and at mid to close range. Hell I been 1 shorted in my Prowler by a Vanguard (I use reinforced front armor). The only thing the Prowler is good for is standing in the back laying down cover fire when deployed. But at the front line they preform worse then a sunderer.
Same thing goes for the Mosquito. Ok I'm not really a good pilot but I have manage to shoot down planes in both the reaver and the shythe but I be damned if I manage to hit anything with the mosquito because it just move way too fast for me.
FOG SMoss
2012-09-11, 02:30 PM
The main reason I think is on EU01 there are a lot of squads and plenty of team work making us take over big bases very swiftly. Especially early evening EU time when we frequently have less pop than other factions.
As for the weapon buff I disagree. I have come 1 on 1 with many TR and majority of the time I lose. Even when its 1 v 1 with the MAX's TR's is more powerful.
However we use strength in numbers and are tactful. When I see a squad attacking the first port of call is to take out the enemy spawn point then we go for the capture.
Sunrock
2012-09-11, 02:34 PM
The main reason I think is on EU01 there are a lot of squads and plenty of team work making us take over big bases very swiftly. Especially early evening EU time when we frequently have less pop than other factions.
As for the weapon buff I disagree. I have come 1 on 1 with many TR and majority of the time I lose. Even when its 1 v 1 with the MAX's TR's is more powerful.
However we use strength in numbers and are tactful. When I see a squad attacking the first port of call is to take out the enemy spawn point then we go for the capture.
Are you playing NC or VS? Because NC 1 Vs 1 I have no problem with. But with VS 1 Vs 1 when trying to hack bases I loose the fight maybe 7 times out of 10. (compared to NC where I win 6 times out of 10.)
Maarvy
2012-09-11, 02:49 PM
We QQ best while we kick your teeth in .It gives a little fire in the belly to sustain us though those wall of text rants we like about missile speed and cones of fire .
Really though I think the weapons seem fairly balanced right now infantry wise , and the only problem with the prowler is lots of people just deploy that paper tank on the broadside of a hill and get shot to bits .
As for the mossi not sure what the problem is there , too fast ? . the reaver is faster in a straight line i believe and the sythe turn rate is higher . cant you just go slower , or turn your flight sensitivity down ??
The EU1 TR seem to have lost there way , there pop is down to regular levels on par with the other 2 and for the last few days they struggled a little .
Maybe the OP should make his own QQ threa .... um , never mind :rofl:
Neurotoxin
2012-09-11, 03:50 PM
Range for all weapons is the biggest VS disadvantage.
The ONLY way I can get my damage outta VS weapons is headshots. In any toe-to-toe fight, I'm going to lose if I don't aim high. I can't assume it is that way for everyone, though.
Besides, taking over the map isn't anything about equipment, it is all about tactics and organization... and capitalizing on your enemies being embroiled in a stupid battle that lets their bases be taken out from under them.
Top Sgt
2012-09-11, 04:02 PM
VS are currently fine The Scythe is the best fighter in the game by far.
Engineer VS weapon is amazing in combat.
Timealude
2012-09-11, 04:22 PM
As neruo said Our range is the biggest problem, hell going up against an NC or TR at range is instant death for me. I have tried the other sides as well and I can see the bullet desegregation is a problem. But as they said they are going to fix that.
Ceska
2012-09-11, 04:22 PM
I play NC but tried VS just for fun (and because coudln't log my NC character on EU 01), and I was just stunned who easy it was to handle a pulsar. Same for VS MAX, even if TR MAX was still kind of hard to down.
Don't know about vehicules, but infantry gameplay as a VS is far more powerful.
Howerver, I have to admit that I have a pretty lame computer, and fighting with 15~20 fps is easyer with faster firing weapons that with hard hitting (slow firing) weapons.
But, again, such a low recoil on VS rifles...
Sunrock
2012-09-11, 04:54 PM
As for the mossi not sure what the problem is there , too fast ? . the reaver is faster in a straight line i believe and the sythe turn rate is higher . cant you just go slower , or turn your flight sensitivity down ??
Maybe when joystick sensitivity settings in the game works. Right now it do diddly squat. But as I sad I suck at piloting so it might be more that the other two reavers are just easier. And no I cant adjust that by my self as I only have a 360 controller.
But no Mosqitoes are faster then Reavers in a strait line. As long as the Reaver pilot does not exploit that is.
The ONLY way I can get my damage outta VS weapons is headshots. In any toe-to-toe fight, I'm going to lose if I don't aim high. I can't assume it is that way for everyone, though.
It is.....
As neruo said Our range is the biggest problem, hell going up against an NC or TR at range is instant death for me. I have tried the other sides as well and I can see the bullet desegregation is a problem. But as they said they are going to fix that.
Is not that hard to get in close though. Try to close the gap between you and your target a bit by using the terrain and see what that does.
PhoenixDog
2012-09-11, 04:58 PM
Our heavy assault weapon is garbage
Tatwi
2012-09-11, 05:14 PM
VS seem to kill me as fast or faster than the NC. The Magrider is harder to fight than the Vanguard. Anything with A2G rockets sucks to be around. I'd say the VS should stop complaining, in my experience.
FortySe7en
2012-09-11, 05:19 PM
Why is this even a thread?
Majik
2012-09-11, 05:22 PM
Magrider can't strafe anything like it could in ps. Now it moves like it has a ton of bricks in it's shorts. I miss my Thresher :-(
Hamma
2012-09-11, 05:37 PM
This will be a constant issue throughout beta and release even if there is nothing wrong. People always think certain weapons or factions are under/overpowered. Usually people think they are underpowered and the enemy is overpowered.. ;)
Mavvvy
2012-09-12, 05:46 AM
Map control is not a good indicator of weapons balancing. There is a really skilled outfit or individual squads working together on the vs side in EU1. tbh they have to as they are outmanned. Dispite the low numbers they have pulled off some very good pushes and captures.
As a nc player I have my fair share of vs nemesis's. Fyi their scythes love baiting you into skyguard flak traps.
ringring
2012-09-12, 06:05 AM
Funny someone on our forums was saying we let VS get away with stuff. But last night we were driving north from Allatum to wards Saurva and at one point cleared the NC out - but we lost our spawn points and had to go backwards.
When I logged off last night we our territory was oblong shaped, narrow at the bottom where VS was pressing but long in the north into NC land.
RSphil
2012-09-12, 06:39 AM
was the same on EU 2 last night as well. the VS seem fine to me. they kill just as fast as me on my NC, sometimes faster. leave them alone and see what they are like when more people get in or at release.
diLLa
2012-09-12, 06:47 AM
On EU1 the battle between NC and TR seems to be constantly around Allattum, and the area north from it. This leaves room for the VS to capture the eastern part of the map.
Yesterday we made a push towards VS territory, and managed to get as far as the stronghold, which we held for quite some time, even though we got severely outnumbered.
The fact TR is losing a lot atm on EU1, is mostly a numbers game. I haven't seen NC or VS make a serious push into eachothers territory for quite some time.
Renegadeknight
2012-09-12, 06:58 AM
VS guns are pretty good currently, nothing wrong with them.
Diehard
2012-09-12, 07:06 AM
"Grass is always greener on the other side".
Stardouser
2012-09-12, 07:29 AM
If VS wasn't forumsiding to try and get an advantage, it would be easier to trust SOE to get the balance right. But with the organized way they're trying to claim NC is more powerful even though VS wins due to higher fire rate very often, it forces NC to respond. VS may have a bit of a disadvantage at longer range but at shorter range this is definitely true. And while I haven't fought a whole lot against this specific thing, it seems like there is some kind of unlockable secondary turret for VS tanks or something that is very good at long range.
Gnaah i remember this when i looked at the map :)
We are just better organized People thats all.
SpottyGekko
2012-09-12, 09:35 AM
Gnaah i remember this when i looked at the map :)
We are just better organized People thats all.
^^That seems to be undeniably true on EU1 ;)
Up until a week or so ago, the VS were a non-factor on EU1. Nowadays they are camping in NC territory, regularly claiming large swathes of the NE quadrant. I can very often drive out of the NC warpgate and start shooting VS immediately, but it usually requires a Gal ride to reach the TR :D
Kudo's to whoever has rallied the VS on EU1. The factions are all about equal in numbers these days (VS still the lowest, but only by 2 or 3%). Yet the VS are causing much more grief than their numbers would indicate.
Sunrock
2012-09-12, 09:56 AM
And while I haven't fought a whole lot against this specific thing, it seems like there is some kind of unlockable secondary turret for VS tanks or something that is very good at long range.
Jup. EU 01 was full last night so I had to play on EU 03 and jumped into a Magrider that had a Saron HRB equiped. Very effective weapon I most say. No bullet drop what so ever and you can almost one shot MAX units with it.
dm Akolyte
2012-09-12, 12:07 PM
Some of the VS weapons seem weak, but the VS medic's gun is redonkulous
Dev's have all the hard weapon data. Hopefully they use that instead of listening to nerf/buff posts.
I kill lots of things with my VS weapons. They are not perfectly balanced yet but they are close. With the exception of the sniper rifle which is complete garbage since you cannot get a OSOK at range. Which basically makes that class useless.
I look forward to see what sort of tweaks we get in the coming weeks and expect a shit-ton more QQing threads as a result.
OnexBigxHebrew
2012-09-12, 02:24 PM
Buff happened. VS is great.
OP IS LATE :D
Gortha
2012-09-12, 04:25 PM
The reason for the picture the OP has posted, is that overall the Vanu Players are better than NC or TR Players.
So it is you losing, even against our mediocre weapons.
The NC LMG and TR LMG is way better than the VS LMG of the HA.
I tested it.
:cool:
At range, you are correct. Up close, the VS LMG > NC/TR due to no damage drop + no recoil.
Sunrock
2012-09-12, 06:09 PM
At range, you are correct. Up close, the VS LMG > NC/TR due to no damage drop + no recoil.
Yes if the target is closer then 50 meters VS have the upper hand. And TBH most infantry Vs infantry battles in game happens around 50 meters or closer. Or what ever measurement unit the distance meter (alt +t defult key setting) have.
Chowley
2012-09-12, 07:58 PM
http://www.planetside-universe.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=895&stc=1&d=1347386111
Ok when this had happen at 7pm CEST on EU 1 we have had tried to fight VS for an hour to take and secure Paris but even if we fielded more infantry and the same amount of tanks we had no chance against there magriders and shythe. They just shred us to peaces as they always try to come in and fight in close quarters.
Maybe if they bather to fix the recoil on the skyguard... But as VS never try to engage anyone at long range TR have a real problem dealing with them.
Maybe its just that TR sucks so really bad on EU 01 witch I start to believe.
Who else think its retarded of the VS to demand damage buffs all over the place?
I completely agree with you.
Im on EU1 as well, their weapons seem to be more powerful than TR or NC. Mag Rider is just crazy hard to hit. Tank shells go under it for the love of god. Scythe is impossible to get away from or catch. But whatever, Im just putting out my opinion, due all the whiney VS asking for buffs.
Oh and the snipers, numerous times in the last few days, I have come across VS who know how to use auto snipers, and jesus they are deadly. Although I will concede that a lower zoom scope would be good for them and allow them to fulfil a better role if they want it.
Anyway they have been pretty much dominating the whole map for the last week, considering they often have a lot less pop than TR and a couple of percent less than NC why do they need buffs. I have a VS character and I have loved their weapons/vehicles since tech test. Never understood the complaints.
Also I dont want them nerfed. I hate nerfing, especially the odd balancing SOE has. Nerf the life out of something, buff it to godlike status, continue. Either leave everything as is or make minor tweaks, and sit on it, then react.
Crator
2012-09-12, 08:02 PM
Already? We haven't even gotten the HA weapons yet! ;)
Chowley
2012-09-12, 08:08 PM
I will agree there are some very good outfits on EU1 VS side. Had some great fights against organised platoons lately. There was one today in Ceres I think, my outfit were defending, they kept streaming down the hill at us, very organised. It was a major struggle. Brilliant fun though, im loving the outpost fights more and more. Same happened at TI alloys yesterday and at the Stronghold about 3am a few days ago.
And to the people saying the VS dont push NC, Do ye actually look at the map? They are camped in/around Mao for the last week.
cBselfmonkey
2012-09-12, 09:14 PM
The reason for the picture the OP has posted, is that overall the Vanu Players are better than NC or TR Players.
So it is you losing, even against our mediocre weapons.
The NC LMG and TR LMG is way better than the VS LMG of the HA.
I tested it.
:cool:
Is that supposed to be the con for when Vanu HA gets the Lasher?
Sunrock
2012-09-12, 09:50 PM
Dev's have all the hard weapon data. Hopefully they use that instead of listening to nerf/buff posts.
My experience with SOE after played EQ, SWG, EQ2, Vanguard and Pirates of the Burning Sea. Is that they ignore hard data and only listen to the nerf/buff QQ threads.
Also I dont want them nerfed. I hate nerfing, especially the odd balancing SOE has. Nerf the life out of something, buff it to godlike status, continue. Either leave everything as is or make minor tweaks, and sit on it, then react.
I agree SOE track record with there nerf - boff - nerf again and then buff it up roller coater is really bad. I hope this time they have learned there lesson... However I hardly think so.
Roidster
2012-09-13, 02:46 AM
This will be a constant issue throughout beta and release even if there is nothing wrong. People always think certain weapons or factions are under/overpowered. Usually people think they are underpowered and the enemy is overpowered.. ;)
like Hamma said
go play the other factions,and see what their guns are like,to me the VS sniper rifle is just like the TR one,only better at close quarters
learn to aim,and dont spaz out on your mouse when you shoot
Grendel
2012-09-13, 09:11 AM
If the shoe were on the other foot, and the NC had the VS sniper rifle, and VS had the bolt driver, oh my god. The crying would rise to the high heavens, and people who don't even play planetside would wonder what was going on.
It's always funny that it's the NC saying "stop crying, it's okay" when they frequently have 40+ percent of the population on every server, and their equipment is oftentimes clearly superior to both of the other teams, justified by "that's their empire thing."
Maarvy
2012-09-13, 09:20 AM
Is this thread just people who's faction is getting bent over on there particular server ? .
It certainly seems that way .
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