Can you be a commander and still fight on the front line?

[Drex]

I've always liked leading guilds/raids in RPGs and I think I do a good job but I'm also one that wants to be right in the action. Can you do both in PS or do you need to either stay back and command or be a grunt taking orders?

Lets say I want to reach command rank 5 where I can broadcast to the entire empire. Can I do that and still be in the action at all times?

Also a little off topic here; can you talk to people in other empires while playing?

[mr_luc]

yes both yes no

[Drex]

Originally posted by mr_luc
yes both yes no

wtf?

[Duffman]

well im guessing you could if you wanted to

I wonder if you die do you lose you commanding skills till you respawn?

Back to you question i believe you could lead you troops into battle but if you had rank 5 you probably wouldnt wnat to becasue when the leader dies that attack dies.

NO you cant talk to other empires while playin

[mr_luc]

I answered your questions in order of their being asked, including your thread topic.

*sigh* The non-Vanu . . .

[Drex]

Originally posted by mr_luc
I answered your questions in order of their being asked, including your thread topic.

*sigh* The non-Vanu . . .

WTF! I am going to play Vanu. Remember the other thread? We are flaming homosexuals so all the homophobes need not apply?? :p :p

[mr_luc]

DOH.

I AM A GAY ******!!!!!! I LIKE TEH PENISES!!!!!!

ps making this thread was a good start :lol:

[MooKoo]

LOL sigh the non vanu thats great

[Duffman]

EVERYONE IS GETTING ANGRY ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i cant take it

*puts gun in his mouth*

"Good Bye"

*Bang*

[Drex]

:lol:

[mr_luc]

Originally posted by Snatch
EVERYONE IS GETTING ANGRY ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i cant take it

*puts gun in his mouth*

"Good Bye"

*Bang*

. . .

He wasn't going to be Vanu, was he?

[Warborn]

You'll be a crappy commander if you aren't contributing to the fight while you're commanding, not only because you aren't helping to physically win the battle, but because you won't have a good perspective on the situation.

You can broadcast and fight at the same time. Obviously you may get killed while typing, but that's why you should exercize a good use of brevity when broadcasting.

You can't talk to people in other Empires via /tell (I think). Up close though I'm sure they can hear any sort of voice-taunts that are in the game (like with Tribes).

[Drex]

Originally posted by mr_luc
. . .

He wasn't going to be Vanu, was he?

I dont know but if he's that unstable we didnt want him anyways!

:love: mancock

[Drex]

Ya good point warborn that's what I was thinking. You'd be a much better leader if you were actually in the battle rather than waiting for someone to tell you what's going on.

[Duffman]

are you sure that you broadcast while dead.

[The President]

Much can be said for the mancock. But i concur good point Warborn. The best commander is the one willing to die side by side with his troops.

:sniper:

[diluted]

what about like in natural selection? very very good command concept. the commander sits in a chair the whole time but is pivotal in the human side's tactics. i think you're in a chair during PS actually because i remmeber some devs saying if you like to be a leader and not in the middle of a battle you can command. thats why/how commanders can set waypoints and things. how could he do it in the field? look at the ground and press a button? naah.


btw in NS the commander has an overhead view and even though there are EXTREMELY FEW problems with perspective, its still very workable.(its a HALF LIFE MOD! if they can do it the devs for ps can do it 10 fold)

[Destroyeron]

Originally posted by Snatch
EVERYONE IS GETTING ANGRY ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i cant take it

*puts gun in his mouth*

"Good Bye"

*Bang*

....alriiiiiiiight....Enjoy giving the gun a blowjob before you go eh?

Anyways, in my opinion a commander would want to be somewhat in the action. A commander thats in the action can tell who the enemy troops are (for example if its a really good bunch of people he may wanna retreat). But on the other hand, if the commander is busy fighting, it will be difficult to command, or atleast use the command options (markers, ect).

So I'd say you'd wanna be in the action, but not in the pure fire. Maybe a sniper, or someone in the back firing (or the middle), or possibly a passenger in a vehicle.

[Ginzue]

Well being Lead Battle Commander of the Chaos Warriors I plan to be in a Reaver survaying the battle and sometimes go onto the gound for some snipeing, I think if a commander wasent in any poart of the battle that would show very little devotion.

[The President]

Amen Ginzue, I agree.
If you need air support remember Iron Rain are in the skys and there to support our Terran comrades.

-The President:sniper:

[Civilian]

yes both yes no

For some reason when I read this response, I busted out laughing. Nice one mr_luc.


Anyway, I agree with Warborn 100% a good commander always leads the way. Not only should you be with your troops directing them, you should be the one leading them into battle. And typing shouldn't be a problem for outfit commanders, I would expect that most outfits will be using some sort of voice communication.

[EarlyDawn]

Yeah, I'll probably be placing waypoints to indicate resupply points, areas that need airstrikes, and fallback and muster zones. I really doubt the game will havec any use for Rainbow-6 Style movement chains. Any tasks that need to be carried out will probably be requested through voice command.

[diluted]

no way. just because you're on the ground too doesnt show devotion. hmm how about the devs comment on this =|

[Warborn]

what about like in natural selection? very very good command concept. the commander sits in a chair the whole time but is pivotal in the human side's tactics.

Natural Selection had a far more slower paced method of play. While obviously the combat could be pretty hectic, the actual game took a long time to complete, as you'd slowly move along, capturing more nodes and securing them while preventing the enemy from doing the same.

In PS, that's not the case. There is no resource system, no buildings to be constructed on the scale of Natural Selection, no health/ammo spawns that the commander can give, no tech tree, and the guys on your side can equip themselves. The role of the commander will, in effect, be very similar to a music conductor. You direct the flow of the battle, but your role is more macromanagement than it is micromanagement. Your soldiers will hopefully know how to fight and how to look after each other, so its up to you to make sure they know where to go and, in some cases, what special things to do (ie. setup explosives to cover the rear, destroy the generator, destroy terminals, etc).

i think you're in a chair during PS actually because i remmeber some devs saying if you like to be a leader and not in the middle of a battle you can command. thats why/how commanders can set waypoints and things. how could he do it in the field? look at the ground and press a button? naah.

Maybe there's, oh, I don't know, an overhead map you can pull up to see the continent you're on and everything. Would make sense for players to be able to tell where they're going, and hey, it'd make a handy tool for assigning waypoints, wouldn't it?

[diluted]

hm thank you for clearing that up. i remember in a gamespot vid they were in a galaxy and the guy pulled up a map. it took up the entire screen though so that wouldn't be good for battles :)

[glsauron]

My outfit WILL have voicecoms, headsets, and everybody will use them whether they like it or not. Just got headset and it makes a big dif not having to type.

Map sounds good (CEP)

Ya, you can do both (but limited XP means you have to pick between more CEP abilities or more certs AFAIK.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by diluted
hm thank you for clearing that up. i remember in a gamespot vid they were in a galaxy and the guy pulled up a map. it took up the entire screen though so that wouldn't be good for battles :)

Yeah. You're going to have to make sure you set waypoints and everything when you're not in immidiate danger.

[Duffman]

Originally posted by Destroyeron
....alriiiiiiiight....Enjoy giving the gun a blowjob before you go eh? well i am a Snatch

if you know what that is im not sure if you do or not but wahtever

[Matuse]

The best commanders will be the ones who WIN, pure and simple.

I don't think leading the way will be an effective way to do this. You can't sit back 10 screens from the action and expect to be effective, but you also aren't keeping with the pulse of the flow of battle if you are constantly dead because you stormed the barricades. Most commanders will probably be stealthed (to be hard to find) or MAX'd (to be hard to kill), or (depending on individual utility) in a vehicle.

That of course is on the assumption that commanders are supremely valuable assets. I can easily see the game developing that an assault/defense force with no commanders at all is just as effective as one with a L5 commander in charge. Theory is nice, but until it is seen in practice (for real, not in size-limited beta), there's no way to know just how valuable a commander will really be.

[Zatrais]

Depends on the scale on what you're commanding i bet.... 1 squad, a platoon then i bet you can keep on commanding from the frontlines but outfits commanders will sometimes command multiple platoons over a larger area. The commanders in my outfit can atm (well once PS comes out) field a max of 4 fully manned platoons.. would be hard to keep track of all those and fight.

[Ruthless]

the best commander is the commander that does nothing but macromanage and have mad charisma to keep people in line and motivated. Leave the fighting to the grunts. The only way commanders would be valuable is when their people FOLLOW their orders.

[Tobias]

For those looking into being Vanu, and reading Drex's and mr_luc's posts about their queerness, Not all Vanu are queer, and infact, They are some of the only queer Vanu males around. There is nothing wrong with there homosexuality, but we Vanu males are not like the NC males, the lines do not blur for us, we are strait or ghey, and most of us choose the former.

[mikkyT]

thats why/how commanders can set waypoints and things. how could he do it in the field? look at the ground and press a button? naah.


U can access the command interface at any time, such is the priveledge of being a commander. That means you can command at a distance or in the thick of a fight.

I think level 5 commanders are more likely to be out of the battle, as they will likely be co-ordinating attacks on more than one target. Remember they can set hotspots for areas and stuff. But either way, it depends on the situation at hand and how many battles being controlled!