Well, that didn't take too long... (Command Chat :()

[RykerStruvian]

So, I purchased the command chat cert and love it. Worked with Devil Dogs/PG/etc enough with it that it made me want to start an outfit of my own so I can help out better rather than using a squad of randoms.

But something in the back of my mind kept wondering how long this would go without problems. And surely enough that question was finally answered tonight. NC on Connery were yelling at each other over the command chat VOIP and spamming /leader with messages to each other. One guy kept assuming the role of 'leader of the NC' while others kept fighting with him.

It goes without saying absolutely nothing of value was gained or lost. I guess it was just the odd time (midnight) so the majority of the 'main' collaborating player base was probably in bed. But it was pretty amazing the heights to which this drama soared, from people calling each other ignorant cocks to false prophets and/or leaders.

Have any of you experienced this yet on your server/faction?

[Wiifi]

A little bit on Mattherson last night... TR were debating how to take Mao in /leader I said I was going to take a shield diffuser with a full squad to take out the enemy sundys and it spawned an argument over wether it would work. From there it went to whether it was worth it to continue the 2 hour battle for Mao. Needless to say 20 minutes later when I had enough resources for a Sundy (Had to switch to Amerish) I came back with my squad and after two trips through their shield, which took about 5 minutes, we had all but obliterated the NC forces at Mao. I proved some people in /leader wrong.

If an argument gets out of hand there is always /ignore.

[Sunrock]

So, I purchased the command chat cert and love it. Worked with Devil Dogs/PG/etc enough with it that it made me want to start an outfit of my own so I can help out better rather than using a squad of randoms.

But something in the back of my mind kept wondering how long this would go without problems. And surely enough that question was finally answered tonight. NC on Connery were yelling at each other over the command chat VOIP and spamming /leader with messages to each other. One guy kept assuming the role of 'leader of the NC' while others kept fighting with him.

It goes without saying absolutely nothing of value was gained or lost. I guess it was just the odd time (midnight) so the majority of the 'main' collaborating player base was probably in bed. But it was pretty amazing the heights to which this drama soared, from people calling each other ignorant cocks to false prophets and/or leaders.

Have any of you experienced this yet on your server/faction?

I have not experienced this on our server yet... But I have played MMOs now for the last 12 years and this is nothing new under the sun.

If this have happend all the time during the last 6000 years, as long as we have any records of political events in the human history. What makes you think it won't happen in a game? This is nothing about the game design. It's human nature. If you don't want to experience this you need to become an eremite.

[ringring]

I've only heard vague mumbles on the voip leader chat - and far better that way imho. I have enough people speaking in my ear without that being added.

Voip command chat is a very bad idea.

Command chat in it's totality is not that well done, as yet, hopefully.

[Figment]

Agree with hillfort. But then... Who would have guessed...

On Miller NC leader chat is not used much yet, the command one not at all really. We do want to reinstate Werner NC way of /c chat rules, with votings and all, but really, there is relatively little point atm and most people seem to realise that as well. Squad leaders are a different bunch of people than experienced longterm cont/global leaders. An they are not to be expected to understand the diplomacy involved and that they are just one of many potential leaders.

Either way, participation rate is too low so far.

[PredatorFour]

Being a VS on Werner (Miller), we are fortunate to have enrico back directing the troops. Coupled with Basti`s Vanu alliance things are looking good for us.

This however is a major concern! Its far far too easy to get into command and this will be one of the next major issues if it doesnt get addressed.

Command skill unlock should be the HIGHEST cert required skill in the game. It shoùld take around 5 000 maybe even 10 000 certs to unlock. Why ? To stop 100 Roamcell`s from gaining access after a day`s play thats why!

In the coming weeks we can be assured of command being plagued by silly comments/orders and just being spammed in general. Its only going to get worse with it being so cheap.

[Tooterfish]

Last night, there was a guy using command chat to ask people how to use voice chat for his squad.

[Figment]

Last night, there was a guy using command chat to ask people how to use voice chat for his squad.

Well it is the "I NEED HELP" chat... :rolleyes:

[Sturmhardt]

If this have happend all the time during the last 6000 years, as long as we have any records of political events in the human history. What makes you think it won't happen in a game? This is nothing about the game design.

Of course it is. If something like the command chat is cheap in certs, people who are not dedicated to leading are just going to use if without the proper knowledge, because they can. If you raise the cost, you will only have people there who mean it and by that are far more likely to know what they are doing. It's all about gamedesign in a game. always. You just have to figure out how to design it.

[Ghoest9]

In my experience command chats generally are full of "ignorant cocks to false prophets and/or leaders."

When you have a small group of them they cant help but to get something done and they all feel special.
When you get a larger group their obvious failures start to be mentioned and the lack of pretense makes the communication ineffective.

[Canaris]

are you telling me someone was not using command chat correctly.....

http://evilengineering.com/gallery/d/38658-1/mother-of-god-super-troopers.jpg

[RykerStruvian]

I know it's silly but at the same time I just don't really see how hard it is to use it correctly. Its just boggles my mind how difficult something so simple can be for people.

[Simokon]

Command chat on my server has actually been quite useful I haven't seen a spammer or egotripping tween yet.

[Hmr85]

I'm on Connery here. I have the command chat but honestly I have it turned off. I honestly don't care to hear what some 13 year old has to say and I have yet to find a need to put something in it. Give it another month or two and everybody will have it. Before you know it, it'll be PS1 all over again with that being the default channel everybody and their mother feels they need to talk in.

[RykerStruvian]

The command chat -does- have its uses. I mean, the main outfits which play NC side do use the command chat as a quick way for us to talk to each other, and those people are the outfits I haven't had problems with it at all. It was just an isolated scenario I hope. But regardless I'm going to start being a bitch and using the /report fuction whenever this crops up.

I don't like to think the best way to deal with this is to simply ignore the channel altogether. It has its uses and can be -very- beneficial. I guess I just wish everyone shared that view and take their pissing contests to /tells :s

[LexDecon]

Genudine has had its ups and down.

We have one individual who sits in Tawrich and screams about how we are "losing Tawrich no one will help us!"

Other issue we've had is a specific outfit using the orders to recruit for their outfit. That ended pretty quick when most of the squad leaders jumped him immediately after it happened.

We've used it to organize and coordinate pretty well, occasionally have issues with random "Orders" such as "Every one pull a Max!" which does no good.

We've discussed on Genudine about how to police it as much as possible. Biggest thing we saw and have agreed between those on the command chat is to try and work together and focus our efforts.

We have one arm chair general who is claiming to be a "High Army Command Staff" member and thinks he should be the hi muckity muck of NC on Genudine, and screams at people when they don't help him retake Tawrich, He's gone so far as to insult Marines about Fallujah. Still not sure what his point was with that.


One thing I'd love to see SOE assist with is give players the ability to have a Command Staff function, where you have to train and earn your position in the command staff rather then just buy a cert. Once in it your outfit can have two representatives, who will make up a voting body, to vote for a "Field Marshall" who will drive the faction side operations for a period of time.

So outfits no matter the size would receive 2 votes, those not in an outfit would count as a .5 vote or something like that.

Honestly PS2 needs some sort of player organizational set up outside of just buying a Command Chat deal.

[Whiteagle]

Other issue we've had is a specific outfit using the orders to recruit for their outfit. That ended pretty quick when most of the squad leaders jumped him immediately after it happened.
Yeah, had some idiot using Orders to advertise his teamspeak...

But other then a few tactical squables, it's been decent over on Waterson for the TR...

Like the guy who says fighting on Amerish is stupid because the NC have 70% population... because yeah, completely abandoning a continent is the way to solve that issue...

[Fear The Amish]

Yeah, had some idiot using Orders to advertise his teamspeak...

But other then a few tactical squables, it's been decent over on Waterson for the TR...

Like the guy who says fighting on Amerish is stupid because the NC have 70% population... because yeah, completely abandoning a continent is the way to solve that issue...

PSSSHH!! Tr on Waterson abandon any Cont they aren't dominating on... last night they came to Esamir to try and take VS's cap of it and we warpgated them so they went to amerish and ALMOST had it capped but XoO came looking for a fight and pushed out of vs gate and they all left again and went to indar. Seriously would you TR stay and fight for once?

On the Command thing has not been to bad actually see some good orders go over there (we were getting warpgated and they were trying to get people to stop fighting in twarich and the crown) problem is not many listen to it. Most of the Bigger VS outfits are in an alliance 3rd party mumble so i don't really care about it.

[Bravix]

Has anyone seen our great EmperorBasteg on yet? HOW CAN THE VANU MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT OUR GLORIOUS LEADER!!!!

xD

[Fujilives]

We have one arm chair general who is claiming to be a "High Army Command Staff" member and thinks he should be the hi muckity muck of NC on Genudine, and screams at people when they don't help him retake Tawrich, He's gone so far as to insult Marines about Fallujah. Still not sure what his point was with that.
As a sweeping generalization, ex-military of any kind tend to be complete assholes in the world of MMOs. They come from a very social environment where priorities are controlled by ladders of rank... exactly a perfect fit for an MMO, the difference is they bring the military mindset in with them to a place it doesn't belong. While I've seen it in many MMO's I've played over the years, the worst was one I remember from WoW. We had a had a guy who thought he was the best 'tank' in the game. You'd see him lash out at young kids in the group, take -extreme- sides without weighing evidence, have absolute emotional fits when things didn't go his way and log-off mid-event when people depended on him as a power-play, and always throw his being there around like it's doing everyone some kind of a huge favor.

Inversely, the very best leaders I've played with in online games were in mid-level-management positions at their current place of employment. They tend to have the ability to listen, react, and treat people respectfully, while also having that urge to still just "have fun".

Hell, while on the topic of effective leadership.. as a quick aside here, my personal experiences have found unemployed/part-time/extremely-low-end-job people to be temporarily-effective leaders because of the immense free-time and insight of the game they can offer, but usually are the ones who fall-apart and re-form a group because of instability. They are a great place to start as a newbie in a game, but after the first inevitable 'collapse' move on to a better group, don't be the idiot 'reforming' with them. Here are some problems I've seen from this class of leaders.

* Playing while their kids are falling off tables multiple times (or other forms of child neglect - this is a real thing from an MMO I was into... dumb lady). This is a common one with bored stay-at-home moms and dads.

* Flirting with people from in the group and trying to 'hook up outside the game' (love is love, I have a good friend who met his wife in an MMO we played together, but in general, an MMO is not a "bar scene" and we get sick of seeing affairs / etc spawn from a videogame... poor judgement = poor leadership).

* Extremely unrealistic expectations like demanding you to know the name of every item or every location in the game by heart, or the old "I did it in a weeks time, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to do the same" (which I see VERY often in MMOs, Hell, I experienced how easy things were to get done while not working myself after I graduated college and was looking for work for a few months... don't kid yourself, some things are just easy when you have that much time, but very hard after-work-hours).

* Urge to run from problems by disbanding entire groups and reforming them to get a 'fresh start' (as if it's going to resolve the issue... guaranteed to crop-up again in a few months).

* General lack of respect because lets face it... you are unemployed with no aspirations to better yourself, or at least that's how most people will perceive you.

These are sweeping generalizations from years of playing MMOs, and there are exceptions to every rule (I've had great long-term unemployed leaders, terrible mid-management leaders, but in 'general' most of the above has held true in I'd say 90% of the experiences I've had)

[velleity]

Has anyone seen our great EmperorBasteg on yet? HOW CAN THE VANU MOVE FORWARD WITHOUT OUR GLORIOUS LEADER!!!!

xD

The Emperor is on Connery and has command chat.

[sylphaen]

The Emperor is on Connery and has command chat.

Priceless entertainment ! So many gens to be compromised in PS2 !!!
:rofl:

[MrBloodworth]

You know. I have allways suported a vote system for active ( not passivly having them ) ranks.

You want global chat? You have to be voted to that position, or rather, not voted out of that position for a duration.

Look at Natural selection 2 for a nice guide.

Popularity contest > Clusterfuck

[Bravix]

The Emperor is on Connery and has command chat.

Ahhh you mean he isn't on my server? How am I going to yell at him to shutup then!? :(

[Whiteagle]

Hell, while on the topic of effective leadership.. as a quick aside here, my personal experiences have found unemployed/part-time/extremely-low-end-job people to be temporarily-effective leaders because of the immense free-time and insight of the game they can offer, but usually are the ones who fall-apart and re-form a group because of instability.
Well this would probably be the closest category I'd fall under, being an unemployed twenty-something waiting to get the schooling necessary to be of any real use to society...

Of course, I've had enough experience to know that I'm not really leadership material (lack of people skills has hurt me in this and many other areas) and tried to settle for offering my skills as a Tactical Forecaster...

...And then the Outfit I'm in barely has anyone on...

Still, if I get fed up with something, I usually just quit this game outright.
Then again, considering how stubborn I can be, that can take anywhere from an hour to three.

For instance, tonight on Amerish I gave up after three hours of trying to finally lock the Continent...

I think it went to hell after one of the other Command Chatters quit for the night, because it felt like I was the only one running things on the NC front and the leader of a single small squad can't effectively micromanage the an entire half of the field.
...Certainly doesn't help that you've got a three minute cooldown on /Orders... or that "Sungrey" is censored by the chat filters for some odd reason...

Then there was some idiot who decided to critique my order of "Work your way toward the enemy Warpgates" as stupid for its obviousness, before proccedding to argue with me over tell for the next five minute on how I was retarded and talking to me was reducing his IQ...

...Finally just told the bastard "Less Typy, MORE SHOOTY!", because you sometimes just have to state the obvious for morons...

Still... would be nice if there was an actual MISSION SYSTEM, like they TOLD US THERE WOULD BE!!!

[RSphil]

im on miller and /leader /re never work. the chat system atm is fubar and needs looking at. its very hard to communicate with your faction to get assaults or defenses sorted. this needs sorting fast as this is a game about team work, which atm is very hard to do when you cant communicate as a team.

[GLaDOS]

im on miller and /leader /re never work. the chat system atm is fubar and needs looking at. its very hard to communicate with your faction to get assaults or defenses sorted. this needs sorting fast as this is a game about team work, which atm is very hard to do when you cant communicate as a team.
/re is messed up, but /leader and /com have always worked for me. You have to be leading a squad to use it, though, otherwise it acts the exact same way as /re does when it's not working.

[Whiteagle]

...What channel is /com?
Is it the same as /orders, or is it different somehow?

But yes, Chat and in-game VOI do need to be looked at, it's bad when I can more effectively communicate with other squad leaders then my own squad...

[Graywolves]

I turn down everyone in voice command(voicom) and just never read leadership or orders anymore. Originally I used it to expand my map awareness with the knowledge of what others were doing and to make reasonable requests such as asking for a squad to assist taking an area.

But leadership and orders are generally "stop fighting NC, we need to focus our entire population on only the VS" or "Everyone hop off that continent with even population and decent fighting and jump here where we already outpop everyone else 3:1 combined."

[Figment]

...What channel is /com?
Is it the same as /orders, or is it different somehow?

/leader, basically /sl chat from PS1, but global like /c from PS1.

Thus... /c, just with one-day-players on it instead of three months to a-year-and-a-half players.


Note that you can have five people in your platoon on /leader:

4 squad leaders and a platoon leader.

[Graywolves]

/leader, basically /sl chat from PS1, but global like /c from PS1.

Thus... /c, just with one-day-players on it instead of three months to a-year-and-a-half players.


Note that you can have five people in your platoon on /leader:

4 squad leaders and a platoon leader.

Sometimes it bugs and I'm still on it when no longer squad leader too.

[Grognard]

Priceless entertainment ! So many gens to be compromised in PS2 !!!
:rofl:

Yep, the High Regent Supreme Commanding Emperor is definitely on Connery... I accidentally TKed him once, haha. Purely by accident, but that is how I remember he is there. :)

[Hamma]

I've been considering trying the command certs but figured it wouldn't be worth the time, ending up like CR5 chat.

[RykerStruvian]

Just wanted to update this thread than make a new one...update it with my experiences since I started it.

I use the command chat quite a bit to ask for help or try to direct forces to particular locations. I don't mind doing this and I am willing to work with others, but recently I've been attracting the hate of a different outfit leader for some reason. The guy just sends me /tells telling me 'no' and stuff similar to that and whenever he sees me in person in game, he just acts like a total dickhole.

Not only that but on a daily basis people argue over the voip over stupid shit. Like, I don't care if someone wants to use it to ask for help at the crown because that is that guys perogative. But to persistently call the guy out on it and start arguments over the VOIP/chat is just going too far even if it is not a call I would personally make. So I don't interfere as I don't want to be part of the drama.

I don't know, I guess it is just disappointing. I'm slowly not using command chat at all and simply managing outfit relations with other outfits to team up and play with. That seems to be a lot more productive and entertaining.

[thegreekboy]

For TR on connery it seems to be pretty alright, albiet sometimes stupid

[ORDERS] AlphaPrime: HOLD THE CROWN AT ALL COSTS HURR DURR

[RykerStruvian]

Yeah, that happens a lot NC side as well on Connery. I just ignore it now, lol.