ATI vs. nVIDIA gfx cards

[PR24]

Please don't turn this into a flame war I want this to be a good thread. :love:

I have noticed on Futuremark that people with 9700 pro vs a gf4 ti4600 seem to be blowing the doors off of the scores.

With my current setup I rank #7 over all in my class and when the only thing I change to compare the video card the persons score doubled.

What have people notice switching from GF4 ti cards to ATI 9700 + cards?

It there is that big of a change I may need to save and buy a 9800 when they come out.

BTW my Mark score was 1899.

[Navaron]

/drools over 256 ram....

[Hamma]

I am glad I picked up the Radeon instead of another GF4 when it fried. So far I :love: it.

[Strygun]

My Next Comp (http://planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4946) will be using a Radeon 9700 Pro.. :drools:

[PR24]

Hamma did you happen to run 3D mark 03 before and after the gfx card switch? What where the noticable changes? Is it worth at some point replacing the gf4 card with a 9700+ card?

[Hamma]

Yea i ran a 3dmark 2k3, it was 1100 or so with the GF4 and 4000+ with the radeon

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Hamma
Yea i ran a 3dmark 2k3, it was 1100 or so with the GF4 and 4000+ with the radeon
:brow:

[PR24]

Originally posted by Hamma
Yea i ran a 3dmark 2k3, it was 1100 or so with the GF4 and 4000+ with the radeon

God damn Hamma :eek:

I guess the 9800 pro or the 9700 pro depending on cost will be my next card then :)

ATI improved their drivers from what they used to be?

[PR24]

If you can say hamma what detail levels are you running in PS and what are your FPS?

[Hamma]

I cant say my FPS, becaues I dont know it, and I dont care lol. As long as it runs smooth I dont care about #'s

I am running at the fullest detail PS allows right now

[colinisinhere]

whats your full system Hamma?

Ive always thought i am going to get a gf4, but that radeon sounds tastey...how much does the radeon 9700 pro cost?

[Sputty]

Heh, ATi owns you! And ATi is CDN so Canada owns you. More proof Canada owns.:p

[PR24]

Originally posted by colinisinhere
whats your full system Hamma?

Ive always thought i am going to get a gf4, but that radeon sounds tastey...how much does the radeon 9700 pro cost?

The 9700pro cost $299.00 at Best Buy

and

The 9800 cost $399.00 but you can onnly pre-order right now they will come out in April.

I just finished researching this exact thing :)

[PR24]

Originally posted by Sputty
Heh, ATi owns you! And ATi is CDN so Canada owns you. More proof Canada owns.:p

no

[diluted]

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20030306/index.html


:drools:

[Timormi]

the radeons have gotten mucho bettero. If you have seen some of the newest pc/gaming mags, like PCGamer and GamePro, they compared the GF4 and the Radeon 9700 Pro and the 9700 came out on top for both. Im still debating on getting the 9700 Pro or the 9500 Pro, since i dont have $300 at the moment, but with what Hamma is saying, ill just wait till i get the $300 and get the 9700.:wave: :rock:

[PR24]

0700 Pro beats the GeForce FX card in 3/4 of the test.

Thats very bad news for nVIDIA seeing they have not even released the FX card yet.

[Timormi]

actually in one test, the 9700 Pro even beat out the FX a couple times, which is pretty impressive. If the 9700 is this good, im gonna oogle at the 9800 :jawdrop:

[PR24]

I read a nice review about the FX, 9700pro and the 9800pro.

The 9800 w/ 128 ram scored just slightly higher then the 9700pro. Maybe on avergae 8-11 FPS more. I my eyes thats not worth $100.00 extra over the 9700 Pro.

However the 9800 pro with 256 DDR2 ram should be interesting to to see how that performs. Thing is though it looks like it will sell for $450.00 - $500.00 which I refuse to pay for just for a video card.

9700pro seems to be the best bang for the buck.

[TheGreatCarbini]

Ive got a Raedon 9700 Pro and my 3dmark03 score is 4696, now I'm not a doctor... but thats nice...

I don;t actualy HAVE a ti4600 to compare it with, I upgraded from my geforce3, I figured it was a good investment eh?;)

And just on the topic of expensive video cards... It's gotten to the point where that is almost the main component. Obviously the mobo/processer is, but having a good graphics card is SO crucial, that I really start to think of that as the main component in my box.

[Zatrais]

The 9800 is a waste of money over the 9700 so far... most tests only show a 5% (if that much) increase in performance... But ATI has promised a huge performance increase whit the 3.3 drivers so we'll see...

So far the 9800 ain't worth the money and i doubt the 256 mb version will be worth it for a long times... games simply don't need it.. hell most games dosn't even use half of the 128MB's on the 9700

[PR24]

Originally posted by Zatrais
The 9800 is a waste of money over the 9700 so far... most tests only show a 5% (if that much) increase in performance... But ATI has promised a huge performance increase whit the 3.3 drivers so we'll see...

So far the 9800 ain't worth the money and i doubt the 256 mb version will be worth it for a long times... games simply don't need it.. hell most games dosn't even use half of the 128MB's on the 9700

Yeah i agree. Thats why I said about the 9700pro being the best bang for the buck.

The 256 ram deal would be great for people that do gfx rendering all day long though.

[Zatrais]

Yeah, but people who do that generaly know what they need in a piece of hardware too hehe..

Most gamers don't nowadays, least from my experience.

[Hamma]

Unfortunatly nVidia is pulling a 3dfx :(

[OneManArmy]

YOU STOLE MY LINE BEOTCH!!!!!! :blowup: :father:

[powdahound]

Originally posted by Hamma
Yea i ran a 3dmark 2k3, it was 1100 or so with the GF4 and 4000+ with the radeon

Please remember, you play games, not the benchmark. :) And you really can't compare the ti4600 to the 9700, the 9700 SHOULD blow it away, it was released way after the ti4600 was. Compare the new FX to the 9700 and then you can say something. :) Also, there is a new review of the FX over at guru3d that FINALLY shows that it does do better than the 9700 in benchmarks and games. :) (although not by much it's still good news. Their next card should really be great with all the stuff they learned making the FX!) http://content.guru3d.com/article.php?cat=review&id=22

[OneManArmy]

FX huh.... I've always wanted to be able to fly around on my computer..!!!! (/me revs up his FX and prepares for take off)

[Hamma]

I've had better performance in all my games as well.

Soon ATI will buy out nvdia just like nvdia bought out 3dfx :lol:

[Zatrais]

Powda, the drivers used in that review are not WHQL... knowing nvidias reputation for tuning and messing whit drivers (forcing 16 fp precition for 1 thing) i won't trust anny FX review til it's done whit WHQL drivers.

But glad to see that the review and images are as good as the are in that review... Hope that nvidia gets back in the game =)

[PR24]

One thing to remember though. The GF Fx is .13 micron tech where the 9700pro is still .15 . The FX should blow the doors off of the 9700 yet it does not do so.

I am kind of sad about this I have been a loyal nVIDIA owner since the GF2 was first released. However on a side not I got my processor up to 2.85 :clap:

CPU temp after running 3DMark03 was only 39 deg C (102 deg F)
and mobo is at only 80 deg F :D

Now I just need a new 9700 pro ;)

[powdahound]

PR24 I feel the same way. I've always been an nVidia guy too. People have to realize that the FX took longer for GOOD REASONS. They spent more time working on the .13 micron technology and many other things. They just got rushed at the end because ATI was releasing the 9700. :)

Zatrais: We can't really argue about drivers because ATI paid 3dmark for a 'subscription' before the software even came out so that they could tweak their cards to perform well in it. nVidia used to do that, but they didn't this time around.

And to those of you joking about nvidia dying like 3dfx: I hope you're not happy about that... Competition is what keeps the market going and the prices low. Besides, nvidia makes more than GPUs. This isn't their only source of income. :)

Personally I'm waiting for the next nvidia card, or maybe I'll end up getting an FX. We'll see. :)

[PR24]

I would LOVE to stay with nVIDIA if 2 things happen.

1. They have to quite down that heatsink it is WAY too load

2. They get a card out that makes them jump to the head of the pack again.

:)

[Zatrais]

I'm not refering to tweaking things for a program or a game. I'm talking about mesing whit the drivers to force your card to run in a certain way.

For instance, nvidia did force the FX to run at 16fp precition and thats below the needed 24 for a DX9 card... Kinda sucks to pay $399 for a card that does not use the specs that you've payed for.

WHQL drivers make sure that the drivers are not tweaked "illegaly" to force cards to run games at settings thats different from what you think your playing whit...

Don't know bout the rest of you but i prefer to get what i pay for and play the games at my settings, not something i'm forced to cause of drivers.

[PR24]

Weee I got my score up another 80 points by increasing the Graphics Aperture size from 64mb to 128mb :clap:

Hamma have a contest that has the winner getting a prize of a 9700pro. :nod:

[powdahound]

Originally posted by PR24
Hamma have a contest that has the winner getting a prize of a 9700pro. :nod:

Because we just have tons of $$$ floating around to throw contests like that. :lol: In the future I see things like that happening, but not right now. :)

[Sputty]

ATi has too much new stuff coming out. Heh, I think that ATi is going to control the market for a year or so.

[PR24]

Originally posted by powdahound
Because we just have tons of $$$ floating around to throw contests like that. :lol: In the future I see things like that happening, but not right now. :)

Well depending on the size of the community those companies will donate things like that once in awhile. :nod:

[JonnyK]

in 3dmark03 i had 496 with my gf3 ti 200, after i got my radeon 9500 128mb it went up to 2980 :)

[PR24]

Originally posted by JonnyK
in 3dmark03 i had 496 with my gf3 ti 200, after i got my radeon 9500 128mb it went up to 2980 :)

ti4600 is a good card but I am greedy and want my PC to go faster ahahahaaha FASTER :nod:


:)