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SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 08:48 PM
Subject
PlanetSide 2 Enforcement Department: Account Termination Notification

Discussion Thread
Response Via Email (TSR Matthew G.) 12/10/2012 05:00 PM
Greetings Citizen,

This is a notification from the PlanetSide 2 Enforcement Department.
We regret to inform you that the account name: [xxxxxx] and all associated accounts have been terminated due to a community standards violation. After reviewing our records, this account was found to have committed the following violations:

[VIOLATION CATEGORIES]

We do not take situations like this lightly and have ultimately made the decision to close this account.

Please review our policies on our website regarding this topic:

Code of Conduct:
http://help.station.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/33614

Thank you for your consideration,

Operative Leidrin
PlanetSide 2 Enforcement Department
Disciplinary Action Division

Incident Reference #xxxxxxxxx
Product Level 1: PlanetSide 2
Category Level 1: Account / Billing Questions
Date Created: 12/10/2012 05:00 PM
Last Updated: 12/10/2012 05:00 PM
Status: Waiting FOR Customer
Station Name:
Server: Briggs
Character ID:
Gender:
Guild Rank:

Problem Description

Character Name
SKYeXile


I obviously expect its an autoban for the number of reports I get for the countless bads i farm on briggs, possibly it could be for abusing the tards on my team, but without a warning for that first, doubtful. So how many reports we figure it takes to get somebody banned? who should we test it on? This system is utter fail without proof of a player hacking, there is obviously none for me, as i dont I have built to much reputation in my name, and my guilds to forever be labeld hacker in a series i love so much, not to mention throw away the $300.00 worth of station cash I have on my account.

Irony is I was logging into the PS2 site to respond to a thread about people getting banned, to post something like "yea, im awaiting my ban" BAM! account suspended message onscreen.

ShockFC
2012-12-10, 08:50 PM
3 other FC got banned too. Fucking stupid SOE.

SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 08:52 PM
3 other FC got banned too. Fucking stupid SOE.

Won outfit wars, cause of hacks.

Babyfark McGeez
2012-12-10, 09:28 PM
Well considering planetside 2 is like future crack you win by quitting. So you technically won. Ha.

But seriously, maybe there should be a stickied "i got banned for no reason and want to complain now" thread so we all can stay chilly n' easy on the rest of the forums untill things got sorted out.

Sunrock
2012-12-10, 09:54 PM
I don't understand what you try to achieve with the quoted mail... It's obvious that you edit out some details in it.

Obviously you raised too many red flags. Even if they might have been circumstantional and you're innocent I still think SOE did the right choose here. It's better that they ban a few innocent players then miss to ban a cheater.

Saintlycow
2012-12-10, 10:07 PM
Dude that sucks.

INB4 Ritual

SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 10:09 PM
I don't understand what you try to achieve with the quoted mail... It's obvious that you edit out some details in it.

Obviously you raised too many red flags. Even if they might have been circumstantional and you're innocent I still think SOE did the right choose here. It's better that they ban a few innocent players then miss to ban a cheater.

best they ban afew innocent players?

GET, THE, FUCK, OUT.

Brusi
2012-12-10, 10:10 PM
I knew it! This is proof!

Alareth
2012-12-10, 10:17 PM
It's your avatar. It's 20% to cool for them to handle.

EightEightEight
2012-12-10, 10:25 PM
should have played on Connery then the lag would have lowered your stats and you would still be playing

Graywolves
2012-12-10, 10:25 PM
I don't understand what you try to achieve with the quoted mail... It's obvious that you edit out some details in it.

Obviously you raised too many red flags. Even if they might have been circumstantional and you're innocent I still think SOE did the right choose here. It's better that they ban a few innocent players then miss to ban a cheater.

For all I know the violation categories are racism, harrassment, etc.

If the message came like that there's an obvious problem.

Banning innocent players isn't very acceptable though. I've had a few moments where I found a nice spot and the enemy players simply never looked where I was. If they all reported me because they thought I was invisible or something I'd want a proper investigation and if they decided to ban me I'd hope they provide dates and times so I can provide a possible explanation in an appeal.

SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 10:34 PM
should have played on Connery then the lag would have lowered your stats and you would still be playing

then they would have been like, you're only because of your high ping and warping?!?! Bad's always find an excuse, when they see something they cant fathom though, MUST BE HACKS.

Beerbeer
2012-12-10, 10:38 PM
Have you ever yelled obscenities?

I came close a few times, ten years ago I might have let it fly and if Sony wanted to be picky, they probably could have banned or at least reprimanded me if people reported me.

SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 10:38 PM
For all I know the violation categories are racism, harrassment, etc.

If the message came like that there's an obvious problem.

Banning innocent players isn't very acceptable though. I've had a few moments where I found a nice spot and the enemy players simply never looked where I was. If they all reported me because they thought I was invisible or something I'd want a proper investigation and if they decided to ban me I'd hope they provide dates and times so I can provide a possible explanation in an appeal.

Yes, this is why i quoted it, there is no reason, i sent en email to smed, saying i presume its hacking, because i know people have reported me, i see it all the time in yell, as they complain about aimbots or whatever other hack they can comeup with when they cant fathom your skill. also i obviously read the delrith thread, so i automtically concluded that i was banned for the same reason: number of reports.

SKYeXile
2012-12-10, 10:39 PM
Have you ever yelled obscenities?

I came close a few times, ten years ago I might have let it fly and if Sony wanted to be picky, they probably could have banned or at least reprimanded me if people reported me.

i said in the OP that i have yelled at some morons, but the amount i do that is very rare and what was said does not constitute a permanent immediate ban.

Beerbeer
2012-12-10, 10:40 PM
Well don't do that. You're making it easy on them.

SKYeXile
2012-12-11, 01:06 AM
deleted, took what smed said atlittle out of context.

bpostal
2012-12-11, 01:43 AM
Keep your chin up and don't fall into the same pitfall that some others do, get drunk, belligerent and make an ass outta yourself. With luck everything'll work out.

Ghoest9
2012-12-11, 02:40 AM
If it does "work out" then Smed and SOE are gonna look bad and everyone will insist they banned for no reason.

So no matter if skyexiles is a cheat or not - I doubt it will "work out."

basti
2012-12-11, 02:48 AM
So you remain to be banned?


Seriously, wtf?


Do i need to worry not as well? I often farm Sundys with HE Lighnings and and Mags, and sometimes score 100 ish kills before i die.

SKYeXile
2012-12-11, 02:51 AM
So you remain to be banned?


Seriously, wtf?


Do i need to worry not as well? I often farm Sundys with HE Lighnings and and Mags, and sometimes score 100 ish kills before i die.

i was unbanned briefly it seems, but banned again now. smed said hes looking into it.

It obviously is hard for SOE though as they get the same "wtf why was i banned" emails from true hackers too. but oh well...probably could use a day break...or forever...we'll see how it goes.

basti
2012-12-11, 03:01 AM
Its fairly obvious that the whole "active GMs on each server" stuff only works if you employ GMs who arent stupid. Means, get PS2 players on the job.

Sturmhardt
2012-12-11, 03:32 AM
So what exactly were your violations? Strange that you did not post them.

Did you ever boost with your outfit?

SKYeXile
2012-12-11, 03:44 AM
So what exactly were your violations? Strange that you did not post them.

Did you ever boost with your outfit?

i posted the full email minus my account name and ticket number.

By boost you mean farm the people on briggs, yes, yes i did...but otherwise no, obviously not. I maintained the highest Kills per month in PS1 for sometime when i played along with been the first BR23, i dont need to hack...also "omg you could have hacked in ps1!" MY reply: I HAD A REAVER AND THUMPER BITCHES!

Sturmhardt
2012-12-11, 03:50 AM
If that is true shame on soe for not including reasons four a ban in the notification. If you ban someone you need to know exactly why and you need to tell them.

SKYeXile
2012-12-11, 04:54 AM
While banned i uploaded another vid, some most people in my position probably wouldn't want you to see, this is about as lame as SKYeXile gets though.

Moments of Glory - YouTube

Conq
2012-12-11, 05:04 AM
It is outrageous, preposterous and utterly ridiculous that....

















You spent $300 in station cash on your character.

SKYeXile
2012-12-11, 05:06 AM
It is outrageous, preposterous and utterly ridiculous that....

















You spent $300 in station cash on your character.

pay to win man, watch out though...

Puppy
2012-12-11, 05:30 AM
I don't understand what you try to achieve with the quoted mail... It's obvious that you edit out some details in it.

Obviously you raised too many red flags. Even if they might have been circumstantional and you're innocent I still think SOE did the right choose here. It's better that they ban a few innocent players then miss to ban a cheater.

I fully disagree with that.

Juryrig
2012-12-11, 05:45 AM
I fully disagree with that.

I fully agree with your disagreement.

Better that a few hackers remain to piss off the innocent paying customers than even one innocent paying customer gets banned by mistake.

Sledgecrushr
2012-12-11, 07:25 AM
I know Ive heard guys cry out HACKER every time someone gets a little laggy. Unfortunately the all out war against hackers is causing some collateral friendly damage. Like a lot of things there needs to be some tweeks to the system.

Sunrock
2012-12-11, 07:37 AM
I fully agree with your disagreement.

Better that a few hackers remain to piss off the innocent paying customers than even one innocent paying customer gets banned by mistake.

Well that is your opinion. But I think the best policy against hackers is to have the same policy Bush had regarding detaining suspect terrorists at Quantana bay. I know it can suck for some, but if the game get any bad press for having hackers it will loose allot of money on it because it will scare away allot of players.

I also know there is allot of liberal hippies protesting Quantana bay for the same reasons that you disagree with me. But we all know that the world is allot safer because the president was not afraid to get his hands dirty. So is it not worth it to do the same ting in games? After all hackers are to gaming what terrorists are to the real world.

PredatorFour
2012-12-11, 07:38 AM
While banned i uploaded another vid, some most people in my position probably wouldn't want you to see, this is about as lame as SKYeXile gets though.

Moments of Glory - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZn0KJ4r8cs&feature=plcp)

Jeez man that is lame..... but it looks fun ha;)

Last night i was in a mag and fell down a cliff next to an enemy sundy. The area was HEAVILY populated and i proceeded to blast any tr that spawned at that sundy. Seriously there must of been around 30 constantly spawning there.....and NONE of them could see me. I ended up with 37 - 0 before it blew up. Now i aint a hacker, this is a rendering fuck up. Now are people getting banned because the game fucks up ???? Imo that is so, so wrong.

ChipMHazard
2012-12-11, 07:57 AM
Since when is knowing how to farm kills/xp a bannable offence? Shouldn't everyone on the top 10 be banned then?
I don't even think it's really possible to get into the top 10, and stay there, by cheating since you would probably have to be so damn obvious about.
If SOE doesn't like it when someone's K/D ration suddenly increases dramatically then they shouldn't have made it so easy to farm players.

Figment
2012-12-11, 08:01 AM
Well that is your opinion. But I think the best policy against hackers is to have the same policy Bush had regarding detaining suspect terrorists at Quantana bay. I know it can suck for some, but if the game get any bad press for having hackers it will loose allot of money on it because it will scare away allot of players.

I also know there is allot of liberal hippies protesting Quantana bay for the same reasons that you disagree with me. But we all know that the world is allot safer because the president was not afraid to get his hands dirty. So is it not worth it to do the same ting in games? After all hackers are to gaming what terrorists are to the real world.

*Can-o-worms went pop*

Sturmhardt
2012-12-11, 08:02 AM
I don't think farming kills has to do anything with the ban, everybody does it.

Btw, sunrock sounds like he had a lobotomy...

Sunrock
2012-12-11, 08:31 AM
Btw, sunrock sounds like he had a lobotomy...

Come on that insult did not even make sens. You can do better.

Babyfark McGeez
2012-12-11, 08:46 AM
Oh lord sunrock...while i would even tend to agree with the general message you are trying to formulate here, you do so by displaying every redneck clichee there is.
Please never post real life analogies ever again.

That being said (quantana bay...i'm still giggling, sorry), the general message of "better safe than sorry" i agree with.
However the problem here seems to be the actual method of detecting banworthy acts, but since i don't know exactly how they are doing it (and i think there is no definite explanation from soe here aswell) i will just assume it also involves common sense and a certain degree of fairness.

Therefore, just relax people and let the things be sorted out.

Zaik
2012-12-11, 08:47 AM
That looks pretty much like victory.

ChipMHazard
2012-12-11, 08:52 AM
Come on that insult did not even make sens. You can do better.

Probably could but this isn't really the place for it, now is it?
PSU does have a political debate forum for a reason.

Figment
2012-12-11, 09:50 AM
If SOE doesn't like it when someone's K/D ration suddenly increases dramatically then they shouldn't have made it so easy to farm players.

And boy did they make it easy to farm with so many high rof, high splash damage with large radius AoE weapons and no slow down ramming physics... :(


Seen many, MANY libwhoring vids by now as well. The Dalton and Zephyr are going to become very, very popular the next few weeks. Who's going to use the other weapons when you can have derp?


Nerf storms will be coming in the future when every farmable unit will be fully upgraded for everyone and the children will be whining their favourite toys are taken away...

basti
2012-12-11, 09:57 AM
And boy did they make it easy to farm with so many high rof, high splash damage with large radius AoE weapons and no slow down ramming physics... :(


Seen many, MANY libwhoring vids by now as well. The Dalton and Zephyr are going to become very, very popular the next few weeks. Who's going to use the other weapons when you can have derp?


Nerf storms will be coming in the future when every farmable unit will be fully upgraded for everyone and the children will be whining their favourite toys are taken away...


Unlikley. At least i hope it doesnt happen (I hope you see this devs).

The game has a rather fine balance right now. If you get farmed by Air, then its because you didnt have enough Anti air / air of your own.

If you get farmed by Tanks, then because you didnt have enough HA doing their job / Tanks of your own.

Seriously, defending against HE tanks is easy. A few mines here and there, HA users not being stupid and bang, no tank will make it close.

Air is even simpler. Infantry Draw distance out of a lib is about 400m, well within range of any Burster maxes. Means your infantry can only get farmed if they didnt have bursters watching the skys.

Dragonskin
2012-12-11, 09:59 AM
Guantanamo Bay.. Extremist analogy.

I agree with the better safe than sorry approach when dealing with hackers though. Everything will be sorted out in the end and people that really did hack will stay banned.. others will be released. You see it with every game being released now. People scream foul play and later come to find out they were lying.. not that I am going to point any fingers here.. just saying from past experiences. SOE will do what they feel is the right thing.

Ruffdog
2012-12-11, 10:57 AM
Smed's twitter stream is all about "scumbag this, scumbag that" at the moment. I know he has a game to protect and is taking a hard line but auto terminate due to x /reports is a bad joke.

Gortha
2012-12-11, 11:06 AM
this account was found to have committed the following violations:

[VIOLATION CATEGORIES]

We do not take situations like this lightly and have ultimately made the decision to close this account.

What was edited out?

They won´t ban you, just because u are a base camping defender, shooting bottlenecks to get to your 8 K/D-Rate. Just 50 Base Take overs and 450 defs says it all.
_

So i ask you, what did you edit out, what found SoE out, they banned you for?

Regards
Gortha

Atomicsys
2012-12-11, 11:32 AM
also was banned.

PredatorFour
2012-12-11, 11:45 AM
Who are these morons at SoE banning the decent players??

Figment
2012-12-11, 11:57 AM
Unlikley. At least i hope it doesnt happen (I hope you see this devs).

It will, you'd be naieve if you think this farming can or should last. I wonder how maxed out SkyExile already was. 5 years to max out all he wants?

Highly doubt it.

The game has a rather fine balance right now. If you get farmed by Air, then its because you didnt have enough Anti air / air of your own.

AA sucks currently. As Higby stated "get ESF yourself, AA is only a deterent". Yeah, right. And for the record, got both G2A missiles AND Dual Burster.

G2A missiles are useless as the lock takes far longer than they can fire at you with AoE spampods, if you do get a lock, they immediately pop a flare and you can't hit them for 15 seconds total (including your first, lock, firing, last second flare, no relock period, relocking period, need three shots now). So G2A missiles are pretty useless now.

I don't mind three shot missiles to kill, that's fair enough since I still have an AI gun, I do mind the idiotic ease of dodging the missiles. I don't get Get out of jail cards against rocketpods either! And I don't have that many rockets by default either. By the time I get a second lock, the ESF is already long gone. So all I can do is pretend to lock on to them and hope that chases them off (which it generally doesn't). Against libs, ... yeah they get instakill shots every second and I get a long lock on timer which they can make even worse with stealth certs and useless with flare certs.

Great Basti, no really.

If you get farmed by Tanks, then because you didnt have enough HA doing their job / Tanks of your own.

Don't get farmed, I just don't like having to avoid combat completely. They want a piece of me, they can get it, but not when I can't fight back, so I abandon my post. Great fun losing territory to derpfits that way, isn't it? The intention behind defense in this game is leaving as soon as there's a group of tanks with line of sight on your spawn right? Even though that's always?

Seriously, defending against HE tanks is easy. A few mines here and there, HA users not being stupid and bang, no tank will make it close.

Why would they want to get in close? One farms with tanks from long distances... Unless you think 100-200m away from a door is close range. Close range is what I call 20m, yes, those tanks can be handled, still miss the trusty EMPs though.

Mines are completely useless at range and they're so useless for minefields people bring the mine TO the tank/Sundy, rather than the other way around. And don't tell me you place mines on every ridge line around a base, because you can't and couldn't even if you wanted to. Plus you'd be expected to cert heavily into it.

Which ironically only farmers can currently.

HA lock on doesn't work against hull down tanks (soon dumbfire is removed). Dumbfire is very slow, can't hit a strafing tank at 150+m, splash half a meter away from it does no damage at all (which at 150m is a pretty darn decent shot for a heavy ballistic slow projectile on a fast moving target), they can hit me fine at that range with higher rof, one hit high splash guns though even if I'm behind cover and have no wall behind me to splash on. That's accuracy and high shell velocity with minimal drop for you.

Tanks vs tanks is great, if you can actually get them there, same for backup Sundies - they're not cloaked remember, Libs are getting slightly smarter AND more omnipresent, while aircav get more and more rocketpods. So we need tanks to deal with tanks, air to deal with air, how about we just need our brain, good defensive positions, not facing OP cannons and whatever tool says "anti-this"?

Sorry Basti, but you're ignoring the problems with rose teinted glasses. Yes, you can avoid the problems by "adapting" and never stepping out of ones comfort zone (the zone provided with current tools). That zone is damn small and requires a large amount of troops, which is silly in itself, because this game should be designed for groups of all sizes.

Not sure how many people you have at your disposal on a regular basis basti, but we do about 1-1.5 squad and we don't want to be forced to go much bigger outside of inter-outfit events (tight group of players).

Air is even simpler. Infantry Draw distance out of a lib is about 400m, well within range of any Burster maxes. Means your infantry can only get farmed if they didnt have bursters watching the skys.

Have you used bursters lately? They're really crosseyed and don't kill anything at range, it's not like it's 1-2 dead Lib, more like several clips and... Lib dives behind a ridge and gets away. With two bursters we even have difficulty killing ESF due to ease of escape and it's not that I can't lead cause the red x's pop up plenty... It's almost as if you need a direct hit rather than a proximity shot though.

We're not talking about beta-flak here like the Super-Lightning Skyguard. Flak's been nerfed very, very hard and it's not strange that the amount of Liberators is increasing by the week.

Figment
2012-12-11, 11:58 AM
What was edited out?

They won´t ban you, just because u are a base camping defender, shooting bottlenecks to get to your 8 K/D-Rate. Just 50 Base Take overs and 450 defs says it all.
_

So i ask you, what did you edit out, what found SoE out, they banned you for?

Regards
Gortha

He already said his account name and ticket number being the only things edited out.

VaderShake
2012-12-11, 12:44 PM
The Only Way to Win the Game is Not to Play...

That scene from War Games - YouTube

LostSoul
2012-12-11, 12:45 PM
By the looks of it he might have been banned because of harrassment or something alike.

But only he knows, since he eddited it out.

Good luck in getting your account unlocked Sky, shame to see a valued planetside 1 veteran go down like this.

Sco
2012-12-11, 01:15 PM
How are you able to reload the grenade launcher with ammo packs? I seem unable to do it - am i missing something?

duomaxwl
2012-12-11, 01:31 PM
It's better that they ban a few innocent players then miss to ban a cheater.

Now, I've read many stupid things on this forum, but damn.

DHoff
2012-12-11, 01:36 PM
It will, you'd be naieve if you think this farming can or should last. I wonder how maxed out SkyExile already was. 5 years to max out all he wants?

Highly doubt it.



AA sucks currently. As Higby stated "get ESF yourself, AA is only a deterent". Yeah, right. And for the record, got both G2A missiles AND Dual Burster.

G2A missiles are useless as the lock takes far longer than they can fire at you with AoE spampods, if you do get a lock, they immediately pop a flare and you can't hit them for 15 seconds total (including your first, lock, firing, last second flare, no relock period, relocking period, need three shots now). So G2A missiles are pretty useless now.

I don't mind three shot missiles to kill, that's fair enough since I still have an AI gun, I do mind the idiotic ease of dodging the missiles. I don't get Get out of jail cards against rocketpods either! And I don't have that many rockets by default either. By the time I get a second lock, the ESF is already long gone. So all I can do is pretend to lock on to them and hope that chases them off (which it generally doesn't). Against libs, ... yeah they get instakill shots every second and I get a long lock on timer which they can make even worse with stealth certs and useless with flare certs.

Great Basti, no really.



Don't get farmed, I just don't like having to avoid combat completely. They want a piece of me, they can get it, but not when I can't fight back, so I abandon my post. Great fun losing territory to derpfits that way, isn't it? The intention behind defense in this game is leaving as soon as there's a group of tanks with line of sight on your spawn right? Even though that's always?



Why would they want to get in close? One farms with tanks from long distances... Unless you think 100-200m away from a door is close range. Close range is what I call 20m, yes, those tanks can be handled, still miss the trusty EMPs though.

Mines are completely useless at range and they're so useless for minefields people bring the mine TO the tank/Sundy, rather than the other way around. And don't tell me you place mines on every ridge line around a base, because you can't and couldn't even if you wanted to. Plus you'd be expected to cert heavily into it.

Which ironically only farmers can currently.

HA lock on doesn't work against hull down tanks (soon dumbfire is removed). Dumbfire is very slow, can't hit a strafing tank at 150+m, splash half a meter away from it does no damage at all (which at 150m is a pretty darn decent shot for a heavy ballistic slow projectile on a fast moving target), they can hit me fine at that range with higher rof, one hit high splash guns though even if I'm behind cover and have no wall behind me to splash on. That's accuracy and high shell velocity with minimal drop for you.

Tanks vs tanks is great, if you can actually get them there, same for backup Sundies - they're not cloaked remember, Libs are getting slightly smarter AND more omnipresent, while aircav get more and more rocketpods. So we need tanks to deal with tanks, air to deal with air, how about we just need our brain, good defensive positions, not facing OP cannons and whatever tool says "anti-this"?

Sorry Basti, but you're ignoring the problems with rose teinted glasses. Yes, you can avoid the problems by "adapting" and never stepping out of ones comfort zone (the zone provided with current tools). That zone is damn small and requires a large amount of troops, which is silly in itself, because this game should be designed for groups of all sizes.

Not sure how many people you have at your disposal on a regular basis basti, but we do about 1-1.5 squad and we don't want to be forced to go much bigger outside of inter-outfit events (tight group of players).



Have you used bursters lately? They're really crosseyed and don't kill anything at range, it's not like it's 1-2 dead Lib, more like several clips and... Lib dives behind a ridge and gets away. With two bursters we even have difficulty killing ESF due to ease of escape and it's not that I can't lead cause the red x's pop up plenty... It's almost as if you need a direct hit rather than a proximity shot though.

We're not talking about beta-flak here like the Super-Lightning Skyguard. Flak's been nerfed very, very hard and it's not strange that the amount of Liberators is increasing by the week.



G2A forces me to abort my strafing run if my flares aren't up. Flak hurts like hell.

You sound like you've never flown an ESF before. Flak HURTS, 1 MAX alone can force an ESF to go away unless the ESF has spotted him and is strafing him. 2-3 MAXES will kill an ESF before they realize they are being targeted.

Pella
2012-12-11, 01:38 PM
Same old PSU.

A thread thats about people "hacking" And getting banned for no reason. Turns into a balance thread.

Figment
2012-12-11, 01:50 PM
G2A forces [...] abort [...] if my flares aren't up. [...] go away

Q: Why is it that pilots use the words "abort", "flares" and "go away", but not "pulverised", "annihilates", "destroys", "kills", "instant death"?

ie. words about THE ABILITY TO EVADE.

A: Because it doesn't by default kill them and they can avoid dieing.

Flak hurts like hell.

So not really then.

It stuns without damage (abort run without damage) or maims (take some damage but don't die), but whatever the case, you don't always die, so it doesn't hurt "like hell". So don't exagerate or play the sad victim here.


You know what "hurts like hell"? A Dalton. A Zephyr. Rocketpods. You know, things you can't dodge, evade or "abort a strafing run" for as infantry, light vehicle or other unit, BECAUSE YOU WILL BE DEAD, OFTEN WITHOUT WARNING.

unless the ESF has spotted him and is strafing him.

So you get to kill your counter too. Nice. Now why don't all the units you can attack do that to you? Because you do realise AA only attack you, so basically, you're all they're up against. Aside from that... you know, everything kills them without them being able to do something about it...

2-3 MAXES will kill an ESF before they realize they are being targeted.

One ESF does that to pretty much every unit, especially low armoured units, with rocketpods, ALONE.


In fact, the only unit you can't use rocketpods to kill solo on are... other ESFs... Oh goodie. The trade-off of ultimate doom, you can barely not do other things anymore, just like AA! Oh wait...

So I don't really see how you can state that with a straight face without realising you're basically saying you're OP because you are alone and "countering" units that - unlike you - don't have the option to evade, dodge or otherwise pull a joker out of their pants.


Funny. Multi-units to "counter" being required, only apply on units that put out massive solo hurt? Unless it's another massive solo hurt unit? Like say... ESF AV should solo infantry and tanks, but anything that's ESF must be dual-killed or more?

Is that what you're saying? Cause then I got news for you, solo aircav should not kill anything without a wingman by your own standards. Either AA kills you solo, or you lose the power to kill solo and all units get a chance to evade your strafing runs.

Pick.

Hamma
2012-12-11, 02:07 PM
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