Waterson Has 45% TR global

[krnasaur]

The hell?

[EightEightEight]

Isn't Total Biscuit on Waterson

[Colindapieman]

It's Totalbiscuit's server and he plays TR...

[krnasaur]

I know its his server

But when one empire almost has the same amount of population as the other 2 combined, its kind of unfair. How do we combat this?

[Hamma]

Where are you getting this data? In game pop screen?

[EightEightEight]

I know its his server

But when one empire almost has the same amount of population as the other 2 combined, its kind of unfair. How do we combat this?

You have the Internet Icons all play on the same server rather then letting them each play on different servers

[Assist]

Where are you getting this data? In game pop screen?

Probably, it's been that way most of the early afternoon EST the past few days.

Even though it's hard to combat it, they haven't really overpowered any continent other than Amerish. There was a fantastic 3-faction war on Esamir yesterday that NC ended up getting the continent over because VS had to retreat to Indar to save it from the 68%TR faction there.

I used to think that massive TR numbers were a real problem, but to be honest all it really does is take one continent out of the choices. For VS that continent is Amerish, as anytime we go there we just poop-stomped quickly.

edit: Unless VS lost it today, we've owned Indar now for 6 straight days. So even though TR has huge numbers they're still not able to grab the only valued continent.

[Whiteagle]

You don't...

MAHAHAHAHAHA!!!:evil::rofl:

[pknecron]

Yeah, and Toby plays on Helios and VS usually have 40% ish of the total pop to TR's 25%. What's your point?

[SeraphC]

Vanu is getting increasingly unbalanced % on Ceres too. Maybe a new trend of players joining servers where their faction is a majority?

[KaskaMatej]

Vanu is getting increasingly unbalanced % on Ceres too. Maybe a new trend of players joining servers where their faction is a majority?

It's called 4th empiring, they make a character for the empire that does the best.

[Ghoest9]

Where are you getting this data? In game pop screen?


I saw 44% on the game pop screen myself with in the last week.

[GraniteRok]

It's called "Chicken Little Syndrome" and the sky is falling. Morning and daytime TR is high on Waterson. Primetime and late evening the numbers even out. Nothing new here, happens on Waterson, happens on other servers, happened in PS1.

[ziegler]

DVS (largest NC faction on Waterson) isnt complaining....

We like having a target rich enviroment.

[Emperor Newt]

The hell?
Because someone at SOE thought it might be a great idea to have the "leader event" being played out on different servers.
Which it was not, as they might have figured out by now by themselfes.

[FireWater]

Yeah I play for the Sentinels, I enjoy the challenge. We mostly mow down who we go against, so maybe better pops will kind of even things out.

[Ghoest9]

It's called "Chicken Little Syndrome" and the sky is falling. Morning and daytime TR is high on Waterson. Primetime and late evening the numbers even out. Nothing new here, happens on Waterson, happens on other servers, happened in PS1.

They dont "even out." Rather they they heavily favor TR as opposed to be totally absurd.

Its standard in the evening to see numbers like TR having 2-6% advantage.



EDIT: But to be fair a lot of the TR on Watersom arent very good. They probably shoot straight enough but its much harder to pull a back hack or any other tactical.strategic manuver on the VS than the TR.

[Illtempered]

I know its his server

But when one empire almost has the same amount of population as the other 2 combined, its kind of unfair. How do we combat this?

It's simple really. While TR retain such a huge advantage in pop, NC and VS have to basically leave each other alone, and at times, go as far as work together.

My outfit has rushed to an NC continent many times just to keep TR from taking the benefit from you. And, many times, I've been in 'debates' on the command channel with other VS 'commanders' about said strategy.

Me: "Dude, we came here to help NC and keep TR from taking the benefit. TR have 50% global pop and are zerging the world. Could you please stop attacking NC"

VS 'commander': "F#%^ You man. I don't know who the #%^& you think you are. Me and MY outfit will do whatever the #^^& we want!"

[krnasaur]

DVS (largest NC faction on Waterson) isnt complaining....

We like having a target rich enviroment.


ziegler come back to WM

[Ghoest9]

Right now at 5:20 EST it is

31% VS
40% TR
29% NC

[Rockit]

Looks like a typical day on Gemini circa 2008-2011

[Rbstr]

On a single continent fight it's not a huge issue.

But when you get to all three continents at once it pretty much means we're fighting TR all the time. NC only when it gets to a 3-way and the TR are the only ones capable of holding or even taking more than one continent.

So we're stuck defending Indar, maybe attacking another one with modest success and 0% pop on the third because it's TR swamped. That's not so bad...except we're always on freaking Indar and I'm kinda bored of it.

[Whiteagle]

EDIT: But to be fair a lot of the TR on Watersom arent very good. They probably shoot straight enough but its much harder to pull a back hack or any other tactical.strategic manuver on the VS than the TR.
Ghoest, your idea of a Back hack is blowing Generators on the other side of the Continent for the XP...

[Ghoest9]

Ghoest, your idea of a Back hack is blowing Generators on the other side of the Continent for the XP...

lol

I did that everywhere during double XP :)
But to be clear the gens are little xp - just icing on the cake. The real xp comes from destroying 3/4s of the turrets.
Going for the gens alone is only worth it from the perspective of helping your side if you think thay are going to to move up.

But I was referring above to cases where you are actually prepping for the main push.
I did a good deal of that.

[ziegler]

ziegler come back to WM

Sorry man, just wasnt enough people in the outfit that was active enough for me. I play most every night and found myself being a DVS squad most of the time, and Hex is a great leader.

[SGTHACK]

This doesn't matter. If the issues in the game aren't fixed, there won't be enough players for a small fight. Right now, Point farming is the only thing keeping this game from going under.

[Beerbeer]

I watched something amazing last night on Waterson.

The vs had one really organized zerg. They flirted near the TR's warp gate on Indar most of the night, but, as usual, it was a damn merry-go-round.

The zerg would move and conquer anything it encountered, and I would imagine there were enough defenders to satisfy this zerg as they camped from one base to another.

The TR would follow behind it and recap some of those bases, and around and around we went.

The vs wouldn't defend, neither would the tr as it was far easier capping empty bases. There would be, of course, a few defenders that got caught, and it's funny seeing twenty vehicles trying to pound five defenders on foot, but that's more or less what happened.

I often wonder, if no one defended, if the zerg couldn't overwhelm people as there's no one there to overwhelm, would this continue? Boredom? It's already getting boring.

I admit, I was happy to vehicle camp the few defenders left and it made it worthwhile to zerg cap these bases because I got easy kills. What would happen if this completely stopped? These defenders were there on accident I would imagine, for whatever reason, as the vs wouldn't defend a thing. Neither would the tr.

This game needs better bases and less vehicle spam. The burden needs to be on the attackers. Bases should be force multipliers, allowing a smaller group of defenders to hold off a larger group of attackers. People would defend more if vehicle spam was eliminated and bases provided the level of protection they are supposed to.

Edit: as soon as a base ran out of easy infantry to farm, I would move on, regardless of the disposition of the base. So would many others. People look for easy bases to conquer because we know it's easy pickings. We can farm relatively unscathed. Those infantry who got stuck there or went there by choice had no chance and everyone knows that.

Also, I usually don't pay attention to k/d ratio, but my character's stats are going up and up. My tr character is on pace to reach 4 in a few weeks. Something is broken if I can pull that off. Vehicles are overpowered.

[Fear The Amish]

Ugh... Waterson... We the VS finally capped Esamir again and defended it against the TR zerg for hours... Then DVS decided to throw a monkey wrench in the works and tried to take indar so we had to leave esamir to defend Indar so we lost Esamir... now TR has 2 conts again... you NC know you could have capped amerish right? we wont stop you actually we usually try and help you.

[GLaDOS]

Stuff about vehicle spam

This is a problem, we all know it is a problem, and I absolutely agree it has to be emphasized to the devs and fixed as soon as possible. But do you really have to shoehorn it into every post you make? Really, it has nothing to do with this thread, and it's just annoying.

On the topic of the OP, yeah, it's pretty annoying, but we can deal. I haven't fought NC (aside from a little skirmish or two, with just a few players) in a while, and I suspect many people are the same. I should also probably mention that another Youtube "celebrity" named Angry Joe is TR on Waterson, from what I've heard. That can't help.

[Whiteagle]

I should also probably mention that another Youtube "celebrity" named Angry Joe is TR on Waterson, from what I've heard. That can't help.
Yeah, but the Angry Joe Army is a bit more limited in their recruiting, so they only have about three squads online at max.

...Plus they are rather casual to begin with.

[Fear The Amish]

Yeah TR on waterson have.... TotalBiscuit, AngryJoe, Red V Blue guys, and Reach cast... so we get a little buried in TR bodies.

[Whiteagle]

Yeah TR on waterson have.... TotalBiscuit, AngryJoe, Red V Blue guys, and Reach cast... so we get a little buried in TR bodies.
DAMN!
You knew about the RvB guys?

...HAVE YOU FIGURED OUT MY PLAN TO SEND HALF OF THEM OVER TO THE NC, THEN HAVE THEM STATIONED AT HOWLING PASS CHECKPOINT AND NS MATERIAL STORAGE?!?!

[Ghoest9]

This is a problem, we all know it is a problem, and I absolutely agree it has to be emphasized to the devs and fixed as soon as possible.

Speaking of vehicle spam - have you seen the Zepher - wow is that over powered.

[Accuser]

edit: Unless VS lost it today, we've owned Indar now for 6 straight days. So even though TR has huge numbers they're still not able to grab the only valued continent.
As an all-air all-the-time player, Amerish is the only continent I care about controlling. Still, I'm hoping we'll see a warpgate rotation some day so I can get in on that sweet, sweet Arc Bioengineering farm. Easily the most defensible position in the game and I wants it :D

[serenekaos]

Even when we have 40% server pop our cont %'s aren't that much higher (if at all) than at least one of the other factions. We tend to spread out over the conts evenly while the VS or NC choose a primary and hammer it.

[Figment]

I know its his server

But when one empire almost has the same amount of population as the other 2 combined, its kind of unfair. How do we combat this?

The enemy of your enemy is your friend.

[Rbstr]

Even when we have 40% server pop our cont %'s aren't that much higher (if at all) than at least one of the other factions. We tend to spread out over the conts evenly while the VS or NC choose a primary and hammer it.

Well you support 30%+ on all continents at once. To get that level on two continents we've got to completely abandon one.

*shrug* I'd just like a chance to fight the NC outside of a 3-way or backstab situation.

[krnasaur]

Even when we have 40% server pop our cont %'s aren't that much higher (if at all) than at least one of the other factions. We tend to spread out over the conts evenly while the VS or NC choose a primary and hammer it.

which is the problem you are able to contest all 3 cont's at once, when NC/VS have to choose 1, and maybe a small attack on a 2nd

[serenekaos]

which is the problem you are able to contest all 3 cont's at once, when NC/VS have to choose 1, and maybe a small attack on a 2nd

Yea, but we usually end up outnumbered on the cont's that VS/NC primary while we hammer away at the cont you all ghost on.

[Conq]

All the bitching about Waterson on this and the official forums is strange. Yall should be laughing at us not whining. Despite TR having a population advantage we rarely hold any territory. Maybe the BRIT's capture something during their prime time but when I get on around 8 PM CST, TR usually has nothing.

[Whiteagle]

All the bitching about Waterson on this and the official forums is strange. Yall should be laughing at us not whining. Despite TR having a population advantage we rarely hold any territory. Maybe the BRIT's capture something during their prime time but when I get on around 8 PM CST, TR usually has nothing.
Pff, they can't even do that...

...I swear that their "Big Op" on Friday was less effective then plain Zerging...
...How is that even possible?

[Mordelicius]

It's not a big deal if Total Biscuit and Angry Joe are in the server. They simply attract alot of players to TR.

TR have good guns that's it. It doesn't make them unreasonably OP. It's Vanu they need to nerf hard. They are the real cause of the Continent/Server and Faction migration. I'm NC btw.

[FireWater]

Yeah TR on waterson have.... TotalBiscuit, AngryJoe, Red V Blue guys, and Reach cast... so we get a little buried in TR bodies.

Being an internet celebrity != being good at the game. I say bring them.

[Fear The Amish]

well we Smacked down Brit and the TR zerg on amerish (that warpgating was Xen and i was the mastermind). We swated down the DVS air zerg, THEN we went and saved indar. I love waterson got alot of good allies, and some fun enemies to shoot.

[Chewy]

well we Smacked down Brit and the TR zerg on amerish (that warpgating was Xen and i was the mastermind). We swated down the DVS air zerg, THEN we went and saved indar. I love waterson got alot of good allies, and some fun enemies to shoot.

Agreed.

A few nights ago when NC tried to take Indar on waterson things started rather nice. Pushed hard against both TR and VS for a while then something happened that made me damn near piss my pants.

The entire VS army pulled armor and air out of their WG and aimed right at me!

My god was that a great fight. We had to pull so much shit out of our asses to make a dent that my hands are still stained with the stink. I'll never say that the VS on waterson are pushovers. You guys now how to fight when needed to. TR on the other hand. They wont even bother to attack a base after they see a dug in platoon.

[Illtempered]

To be totally honest our outfit is having a blast on Waterson. The whole massive TR zerg makes the immersion that much better. We're working on relationships and alliances with NC players and outfits, so when TR's pop is around 50% we have a fighting chance.

That's the only way I see to keep it fun for all sides. If not, TR just rolls everybody, and that isn't fun for anybody, including TR.

[Misato]

Yea no worse then having Lord Tobuscus on Helios. Vanu has constantly high population through out the entire day into the wee hours of the morning. I haven't seen it drop below 32% in a couple of weeks. At one point the TR had a 10% xp bonus for having such low population lol

[MyOdessa]

Much to do about nothing.

Last two days Vanu controlled Indar and Amerish. Yesterday, TR finally took over Amerish, but Indar was still in Vanu hands and TR was losing Amerish to NC, when I stopped playing @ 9 pm PST (I played as Vanu for couple hours there).

Numbers at log in screen do not tell the whole story, you actually have to look at the continent maps to see who is winning.

[Assist]

I'd just like to say it's 7:00 EST Monday, and the populations are vs30/tr38/nc32.
VS owns 2 continents, TR owns Amerish. Although it looks as if Esamir or Indar will flip for TR soon and Amerish will flip for NC.

So while the pops were very unbalanced for the double exp weekend, it's much better now. The only thing I wish is that there were more people for each faction on each continent.

[PurpleOtter]

I know its his server

But when one empire almost has the same amount of population as the other 2 combined, its kind of unfair. How do we combat this?

Die twice as much to the TR?

[Chewy]

Die twice as much to the TR?

I think I do.

Last I looked at my stats it said that I have fought TR about 2x as much as I do VS on Waterson.