Planetside 2 Discussion Negativity.

[Brutal Magikarp]

My opinion has swayed.

[Sledgecrushr]

We need a funeral dirge palying in the background.

[Vashyo]

Because playing the game causes bad mood? :lol:


Nothing shud be done to hide critism, imo!

Once people are more satisfied with the product, we will get more positive threads :)

[MaxDamage]

Burn them
Burn them all.

[Carver]

I agree, it feels like people don't come here to talk about the game, just to shit on it and declare it a failure.

[Crator]

Negativity is fine. If it unconstructive that's not good though. You should report it if it is unconstructive. Saying that, this topic isn't about PS2 and should not exist in this forum section. Meh, I guess it is about PS2 discussion since that's all that is being talked about here.... ~shrug~

[krnasaur]

The difference between most whining and whining on the PSU boards (across most if not all videogame forums) a majority of this is constructive and giving ideas as to how to fix the problem.

instead of blindly bitching, moaning and spewing negativity(like most of my threads) hehe :D

[james]

Once the game is more feature complete and not a buggy beta. The complaing will drop some. But its what you get when your rush out a game, and hype it up so far.

[Ironside]

Once the game is more feature complete and not a buggy beta. The complaing will drop some. But its what you get when your rush out a game, and hype it up so far.

this ^^

[Brutal Magikarp]

I just feel a sub-forum is needed, I hate having to sift through all the threads about "What needs to change" "What needs to be balanced"..

I completely agree Planetside 2 is a broken game right now, and fixing it does need to be discussed, but when 80% of threads are about what I stated above.... it's sad.



:boohoo:

[Mox]

The current state of the game is shit. Why not tell the truth?

[infinite loop]

The current state of the game is shit. Why not tell the truth?

^ What he said.

[ringring]

I sympathise but it's inevitable given the current situation.

I know it must be hard for the devs too, but they did know this was going to happen no matter what.

Partly this is because those things the folk don't like are always top of the list they most want to discuss.

Partly because people think they need to use a magaphone to get through.

And partly because it's many different people finding the same thing and everyone saying it (slightly differently) so that it becomes a wall of noise.


Also, you have to say that simply saying 'hey, isn't everything wonderful' is a bit boring.

On the other hand, even for the critics there is a lot of goodwill towards the devs. They have done a lot of great work and have communicated much much better than other development houses. If people are anguished it's often because they care about this game and really do want it to succeed.

[xboxerdude]

^ this even more

[Paperboy]

Are you kidding? why deny that the game is in a bad state, smedley is holding his hands over his ears and has his eyes closed while he says: Lalalalalalala.

Add a "Positive things to say about Planetside 2" category instead, I doubt there will be much good to say, until they fix the game properly.

[Electrofreak]

Looks like a few other people have already hit the point, but negative criticism is good as long as it's constructive. There are very few threads here that just say "WAAHHHHH PS2 SUX IM RAGEQUITTING". Most of them highlight the problems with the game and invoke discussion which produces possible solutions to the problems.

Threads that are purely negative tend to get locked pretty quick around here. Face the fact; this is a fan site and the community members here want to see the game do well. However, there is little point in discussing what works about the game, as those elements don't need fixing. So yes, there is a lot of discussion about what is broken, but it's because we want to see it fixed.

As long as the negative discussion here sticks to constructive criticism, there's no problem with it.

[Beerbeer]

This is like ps1 all over again, but much worse, since the core elements of ps1 were much better at the beginning.

It's too bad. Sony would rather see this ship sink then admit to their fallibility, similar to almost every other game they released as far as I can tell. A year from now, we'll see a few servers, and everyone will be on one corner of one continent spamming vehicles like the latter half of ps1. Oh wait a minute...

[Paperboy]

This is like ps1 all over again, but much worse, since the core elements of ps1 were much better at the beginning.

It's too bad. Sony would rather see this ship sink then admit to their fallibility, similar to almost every other game they released as far as I can tell. A year from now, we'll see a few servers, and everyone will be on one corner of one continent spamming vehicles like the latter half of ps1. Oh wait a minute...

I blame smedley, he is so incompetent, he doesnt know shit about games.

[Hamma]

We wont be creating multiple forums for this.. it's important it's out in the open.

[Brutal Magikarp]

Hamma you can close this, my opinion has been swayed.

:vsrocks:

[FreeSpeech]

The negativity is there because the game is in a major bad state. Defending bases yields no significant reward, zergs rule the game no matter what, Reavers can't kill crap, Vanu and TR guns are miles better than NC ones so that they can stay on stock forever, 1 spawn point per base means you get base raped constantly so that you can't adequately defend, Cert gain is too slow/expensive for basic requirements - the list goes on.

[VGCS]

Negativity is fine. If it unconstructive that's not good though. You should report it if it is unconstructive.
In that case, I'm reporting this Thread and the OP especially.

Forums are for people with a bare minimum required amount of willpower who either can focus on the tougher issues or atleast elect to simply NOT READ the ones that don't tickle their fancy, instead of demanding they be hidden from their sight. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bliss_ninny) Forums are the sausage factory. Everyone else is free to stick to Twitter and Farmville (aka: in-game).

[Ghoest9]

Shouldn't we just have a separate forum for complains relating to the game?

All the negativity in this forum really sets such a horrible mood on this site.


Pretty much every discussion of the game is going to involve criticism - that actually reasonable. We dont need 2 forums - one for happines and one for reality.

That said a few people here just want to say everything sucks because their pet issue isnt addressed. Although their are a few issues that the much of the player bases agrees on and should be treated as priority problems(zergs that never fight/undefended bases, air power driving away casuals, and people who cant stop themselves from suiciding at camped spawn points)

[OCNSethy]

As good as any place to post this...

Especially for all those oldball tankers out there :)

[EVILoHOMER]

I don't understand how Smedley still has a job, every single game SOE has created is now dead and a complete failure. The only one they get any recognition for is Everquest but they ruined that back around 2001 time. I'm not going to throw personal attacks at him but he is in charge and should take responsibility for the management of the games.

SOE just don't know how to manage a game, it's not like their games start off bad, they've all been highly innovation in one way or anything and they never make the same game twice. I respect that and I respect the fact that they've made all my fave MMOs ever apart from EVE and WoW.

However they all suck now because for some reason unlike CCP they seam really clueless over what makes each game good, they decide to ruin that and focus on something else that no one wants.

I can list every single one of their games that matters and give a ton of reasons, I'll do a few.

- EverQuest - Luclin and PoP expansions

- EverQuest 2 - Rushed to launch, dumbed down into some stupid solo MMO and basically decided to become WoWs bitch clone

- Star Wars Galaxies - Rushed to launch, focused too much on Jedi for a year while ignoring the rest of the game, 3 fail expansions, the CU and the NGE.

- Planetside - CC 3 months after launch, barely even tested, basically no support after that until BFRs and The Bending which no one wanted.

- DCUO - No content, could be completed in 2 days, that isn't even an exaggeration.


Now Planetside 2 made the same mistake rushing the game to launch even though they said they wouldn't. Players would have been much more forgiving if they went into open beta but allowed you to purchase stuff with Station Cash and then on launch day just reset station cash, similar to GW2 with gems in beta. SOE just doesn't seem to get it, they haven't listened to their player base and made no attempt to fix any problems brought up in beta. They knew this issues existed and instead they just released the game?

The worst thing about the game IMO is how every weapon is the same, they all look the same, they all shoot the same, even Shotguns look like rifles and sound like rifles when you're being fired at by them. Higby said people with a MCG love to run and gun and not take cover, so why did they redesign it to take cover in? If I wanted a weapon for taking cover I'd pick any of the other guns which all do it, no I pick the MCG to run and gun.


Just annoys me.

[Brutal Magikarp]

Everyone is reiterating everything that gets posted in Planetside 2 discussion. party:

[Katanauk]

When PS1 goes free to play, watch this forums light up in a massive pile of pure happiness and positivity.

Until then, step back and the warmth of the flames isn't so bad.

[Qwan]

Once the game is more feature complete and not a buggy beta. The complaing will drop some. But its what you get when your rush out a game, and hype it up so far.

yea I have to agree with James on this one, once the game starts getting more content and the bugs get addressed then people will start to see some of the negative comments drop off. Also alot of people got to realize this isnt a stagnet game with one moving piece, its a MMO with interacting players and a ever changing enviroment so there is bound to be problems. So far for PS2 im not to disappointed, though I see bugs, I send up reports, and as far as content I know there is more to come. So Im really looking forward to furture content being added. This whole weekend I took a hiatus from the game played some skyrim, and stuff. Its going to be good to get back into it this Monday :D

[Vashyo]

My negativity can be erased by a complex metagame, I think that's gonna take a looooooong time or never happen depending on SOE.

I'd rather play a buggy, but complex game than over polished simplified game
ACTUALLY, now that I Think about it. Games today are PoS quality on launch and only become polished as time passes, so a lose-lose scenario for me :lol:

More focus on gameplay quality than polish quality SOE!

[OnyxD]

This forum really suffers from bitter vet syndrome... Players looking through rose tinted glasses at the past from a jaded and world weary perspective. You see it every entrenched game community forum as time progresses.

People hold up CCP and EVE as a great developer/game model, but just look at the veteran EVE players boards at scrapheap (failheap) challenge and you would think the game is total failure. Loads of veterans who played back in 2006 complaining that the game isn't what it used to be because they burnt out and now just forum warrior about how things used to be better.

The reality is that new players will always come in and enjoy the game and have far more energy and positivity. PS2 is a good game that after a few patch cycles will be a great game... keep your head up and enjoy it for what it is and don't let the haters get you down.

For what it's worth I remember PS1 being a complete laggy mess for a long time after release and I never could shake the floaty disconnected feeling whilst playing. Yes it ended up having a great metagame and elegant solutions to character progression but don't forget the time it took to get the game there and the problems experienced along the way.

PS2 has the core foundations of being a much better game.... give it time.

[PredatorFour]

This forum really suffers from bitter vet syndrome...

Yeh i wonder why that is ???? .....................

The reality is that new players will always come in and enjoy the game and have far more energy and positivity.

Apart from the ones who cant figure out what to do in the game or how to play it because theres no tutorial and then dont play it again because the infantry game they are used to in other FPS`s is nearly non existent due to vehicle farming.

For what it's worth I remember PS1 being a complete laggy mess for a long time after release and I never could shake the floaty disconnected feeling whilst playing.

I wonder how long PS2 will be a laggy mess with bugs et al for ??


PS2 has the core foundations of being a much better game.... give it time.

No doubt it has potential, not sure with the direction they are taking it though.

Theres a reason `Bitter Vets` post here and its not due to rose tinted glasses..... Its for the games sake in the long run. We point out the games flaws and ask why alot of the aspects that made the original great and unique, are not in the sequel. All in the hope that it might get changed for the better.

[psijaka]

Shouldn't we just have a separate forum for complains relating to the game?

All the negativity in this forum really sets such a horrible mood on this site.

No.

At times it may seem that there are rather too many posts harking back to "the good old days", but if PS1 vets are able to offer constructive criticism and propose feasible solutions based upon their experience then surely that is a good thing, even if I sometimes don't agree on a particular point (I really like the Indar Hex system, for instance).

I'm all for informed debate; pretending that everything is rosey by brushing problems under the carpet is hardly for the good of the game in the long run.

Edit - that said, I really don't see the point in posts that do nothing but whine; what is needed is solutions.

[Levente]

When PS1 goes free to play, watch this forums light up in a massive pile of pure happiness and positivity.

Until then, step back and the warmth of the flames isn't so bad.

when ps1 goes free nobody gonna play it. ps2 much better :groovy: u made bro? :groovy:

[RodenyC]

when ps1 goes free nobody gonna play it. ps2 much better :groovy: u made bro? :groovy:

Lol is this guy for real? I can't tell.

[Rolfski]

The negativity in this forum is indeed getting ridiculous. It seems that drama queens have totally taken over this place.

Sure, the game needs improvement but I'm still having a lot of fun playing it on a daily base.

[Hamma]

This forum really suffers from bitter vet syndrome... Players looking through rose tinted glasses at the past from a jaded and world weary perspective. You see it every entrenched game community forum as time progresses.

This forum suffers from realist syndrome. There are plenty of new players who have the exact same concerns as veterans.

[OnyxD]

This forum suffers from realist syndrome. There are plenty of new players who have the exact same concerns as veterans.

I should clarify that my post isn't about the valid constructive criticism, of which there is plenty. It's about the whining, bitterness, and general lack of perspective when voicing those concerns.

The sky isn't falling but you would think it was by the general mood here. Of particular problem is that there are forum members that will post in each and every thread to derail it into a whinge about their own personal opinion of the game. Mostly one line throwaway posts that are of no help at all.

[psijaka]

when ps1 goes free nobody gonna play it. ps2 much better :groovy: u made bro? :groovy:

Not many people would play PS1 if it goes F2P; probably only vets and the occasional curious passer by. SoE are hardly likely to market it heavily. I might dip my toe in the water.. or maybe not as I'm enjoying PS2 so much.

[p0intman]

The game will be given praise, the second after I think it deserves praise.

[sneeek]

Speaking as somebody who plays a moderate amount (about 3.5 days total, since launch), I don't really see how the game is "shit" or "broken". It needs improvements in certain areas, but I'm enjoying myself in-game. The infantry combat is infinitely better than in the original Planetside.

[DaytimeMango]

I signed up for this forum just to agree with the OP. The first thread I found here was something like "who has quit?". Anyone who has ever played an MMO at launch knows that's a stupid topic for several reasons. People claim they're 'quitting' games all the time it doesn't mean anything, it's anecdotal. I wouldn't be surprised to find the rate of people who claim to quit games and actually don't is roughly equivalent to how many people claim they will quit cigarettes and then don't (hint: I'm on my third attempt to quit cigs this week). Secondly, most games experience a drop in players after the initial launch, people play and try it out, then move on; the average gamer doesn't play the same game for three months. I'm not going to waste time listing all the reasons (holidays, etc), but the point is the thread provided nothing except for a place to cry and circlejerk with others. I was shocked to find out the thread was started by the site creator. Maybe half the threads on page one offer some discussion, the rest of them are stupid topics like "omg soe wont refund the money i paid them a month ago for a game i played 200 hours of". God forbid I venture onto the second page.

I've put 300 hours into this game over the last month and a half and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. In all honestly I only see two major problems: poor optimization prevents many people from playing, and parts of the community are terrible. It seems like everyone thought this game was going to be released so polished that Jesus could shine his shoes with it, which is illogical because I can't name a major online game released since I was born (1989, you're welcome) that didn't encounter problems on release. Perfection is an ideal that can never be reached. If the biggest problem in your life is that once every four hours you have to restart Planetside 2 because the screen flickers, consider yourself lucky.

As someone who only just discovered Planetside 2 I really want a place to discuss ideas that doesn't remind me of the official forums and its unqualified whining. It would be nice to see analysis of class weapons, strengths and weaknesses, useful map/base locations, uncommon hints (ig: how to get up amp station walls without being LA); instead there's posts like "who has quit". Nobody cares who quit except for people who need to validate their own reasons for quitting. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but the content on Reddit is miles ahead of the content on this forum. I think half the people on this forum need to stop playing Planetside for a few months, and stop taking life so seriously.

[Crator]

^ @DaytimeMango I kind of agree with you about the "Who has quit" thread. Not very constructive. That's exactly the reason I ignored it. You're going to get stuff like that on any public forum though. Having said that, the site admins here do a pretty good job at keeping things under control... You just have less of it here vs. the official forums because there is less people who frequent them. Sometime people get angry/upset and feel the need to vent. It happens, I've done it.

[Rolfski]

Hamma's "who has quit" post was indeed a mistake but everyone makes mistakes and other then that, he does his stinking best to keep this forum constructive. Problem is that with an overpopulation of (often bitter) vets in this forum, this can become quite a challenge sometimes compared to reddit or the official forum. Especially when people start cranking out topics with ranting titles like "Fire Smed" or "Planetside 2, what a joke of a game,it does not even deserve to be called planetside".

Of particular problem is that there are forum members that will post in each and every thread to derail it into a whinge about their own personal opinion of the game. Mostly one line throwaway posts that are of no help at all.
Exactly this is what is the problem atm: People derailing every thread into a rant that is not constructive or helpful at all.

[PredatorFour]

Hamma's "who has quit" post was indeed a mistake but everyone makes mistakes and other then that.

No it wasnt a mistake. It was perhaps the best way to show the devs why people didnt enjoy their game. It was to condense the prevalent negative issues concerning the game into one thread. It is infact very informative and useful info (in the right hands)

People derailing EVERY thread into non constructive ranting ? I think thats an assumption.

[Rolfski]

Although I have no doubt it was done with the best intentions, Hamma's thread was giving a very negative signal from this community, giving the idea that this game was broken beyond repair and people were massively leaving this game.

And I dare to challenge you finding a topic that has not a rant in it, because most topics have rants in them and some people seem to rant in every post they reply to so it's not that much of an exaggeration actually.

[Hamma]

I stand by my decision to post it. I did it for a reason.. and so far it's been going as intend. It's almost the same theme to everyone who has quit. I did it for me and for the devs.. one thread isn't going to turn people away from this community and if it does they probably don't really want to be here anyway.

[Figment]

Although I have no doubt it was done with the best intentions, Hamma's thread was giving a very negative signal from this community, giving the idea that this game was broken beyond repair and people were massively leaving this game.

Broken beyond repair, or just in time to ring some alarm bells?

[Bobby Shaftoe]

You know what, I think the only thing of any importance that all the tens/hundreds of thousands of posts/ideas/suggestions on PSU and throughout Tech-test, closed beta, open beta and up to release was getting a ground based AMS in game (an idea which the Devs fucking hated btw). Everything else they (the devs) did was tinkering with what they had already decided on from the very start.

So please, stop saying provide 'constructive criticism' they did nothing with the mountains of ideas over the past 6months/year, including basic/fundamental shit that would have un-fucked large problems with the game right now.

I'm pretty sure most 'bitter vets' don't give a flying fuck anymore, SOE never did.

[courtkneeb]

Speaking as somebody who plays a moderate amount (about 3.5 days total, since launch), I don't really see how the game is "shit" or "broken". It needs improvements in certain areas, but I'm enjoying myself in-game.

I agree and am coming from the same perspective as a casual player. There are a few bugs that drive me absolutely insane but they wouldn't stop me from playing. I can see how they can lead to intense frustration, especially if you are constantly logged in. If a thread needs to exist to vent these frustrations and circle jerk each other I don't see the harm. The nonconstructive negativity just can't overflow into all areas of the forum.

[IronMole]

Let's all pretend this game is perfect and sweep the problems under the rug.

That's what you want isn't it OP, amirite?

[Ghoest9]

Hammas thread itself was good and served an obvious real purpose.

But yes to a degree some people took sign that it was time for a mob mentality bitching and whining assault. But I think that is unavoidable as those people are really just looking for an excuse to act that way. So we should limit good topics because of them.

[Rolfski]

I stand by my decision to post it. I did it for a reason.. and so far it's been going as intend. It's almost the same theme to everyone who has quit. I did it for me and for the devs.. one thread isn't going to turn people away from this community and if it does they probably don't really want to be here anyway.
Sorry but I'm still having a really hard time figuring out what the point of this "Who has quit" thread is. You already made an excellent topic and video addressing the issues that got lots of response, why another one?

It's beating a dead horse, really. Besides that, if you want to make an "analysis" or "representative snapshot of the state of the game" this is really the worst way to do it. At least you should do a neutral poll and even then we all know that happy players are always underrepresented at these forums.

[PredatorFour]

Sorry but I'm still having a really hard time figuring out what the point of this "Who has quit" thread is.

Don't bother thinking about it then. Everyone else can see why its relevant.

[Deadeye]

Let's all pretend this game is perfect and sweep the problems under the rug.

That's what you want isn't it OP, amirite?

Yeah, because the only way the "truth" is going to get out is because the first three pages of this forum are chock full of threads about how "broken" the game is.

Hamma, you want to help the devs? Then, with all due respect, posting a "Who quit?" thread did not help anyone.

Instead, I suggest you post a sticky thread that lists straight down all the major complaints of the community and as things are fixed or new issues pop up then modify the list.

These complaint threads are sounding like broken records. Even the so called "constructive" ones keep mentioning the same damn things. We don't need 10,000 threads about how indefensible bases are or 9000 threads about the supposed lack of a meta game (whatever the hell the "meta game" is supposed to be).

By this point everything one can complain about has been complained about. How about we shift back to actual gameplay? What's the best way to attack a scythe as a Reaver? Or teach people the shoot-and-scoot tactic for tanks. Or what's the most efficient path to conquer Amerish?

If you still insist on complaining, there has to be a thread some thread that already has your complaints. Go post in that one and reduce the clutter.

[Rolfski]

+1 on Deadeye
The ridiculous repetition of the same complaints over and over again is giving this forum a higher broken-record level compared to the other ones.
It would love to read more threads here about pure game play without every time seeing it derailing into a rant about what SOE has done wrong.

Don't bother thinking about it then. Everyone else can see why its relevant.
Good to have our mighty Lord here on this forum, the man who represents "everyone" :)

[Mastachief]

Shouldn't we just have a separate forum for complains relating to the game?

All the negativity in this forum really sets such a horrible mood on this site.

If the game even remotely lived up to its name 70% of the negativity would evaporate.

Besides this is quite civil and constructive compared to 2003/2004 forumside

[PredatorFour]

Good to have our mighty Lord here on this forum, the man who represents "everyone" :)

The people have spoken and are speaking. You can moan everyday about criticism on this forum but you have to understand there is a reason behind it.

[Rolfski]

The people have spoken and are speaking. You can moan everyday about criticism on this forum but you have to understand there is a reason behind it.I don't mind constructive criticism but you have to understand that there is a limit on how many times you can repeat the same complaints over and over again before it turns into a bitter whining spiral of negativity that deteriorates the spirit of this whole community.

[QuantumMechanic]

I am well aware that my posts both here and on the official forums have turned more negative in tune, probably starting from a month back or so.

My posts for over a year here and since beta on the official forums weren't that negative at all. Just a mixture of excitement and concerns. But that was all during beta so I wasn't too worried.

But since the game's release with some pretty massive flaws, and the subsequent month with no game updates or developer communication while the hackers and exploiters came in force and server populations dwindled... SOE set themselves up for a very challenging January.

I very much appreciate the SOE devs and all of their hard efforts. I've been watching their streams lately more than I spend time playing.

But if I sound like a negative bastard, don't think that I never gave this game a chance. I certainly did, and I still am.

I guess I need a new mantra to chant in the shower every morning: "I will have a positively charged day. I will have a positively charged day. I will have a positively charged day".

[FreeSpeech]

Doesn't matter what patches come out, if they don't balance VS and TR against NC soon, who's going to bother playing NC? VS guns > TR guns > NC guns and VS vehicles > TR vehicles > NC vehicles . The NC just suck balls.

[Seafort]

Doesn't matter what patches come out, if they don't balance VS and TR against NC soon, who's going to bother playing NC? VS guns > TR guns > NC guns and VS vehicles > TR vehicles > NC vehicles . The NC just suck balls.

I agree. I play NC on Miller and it is so frustrating battling the other 2 factions now. It's bad enough with the vehicle spam going on but CQC i can't win either as the other 2 factions spit out so many more bullets with such accuracy it's hard to compete against them.

I'm thinking about quitting the game as it's just too frustrating now. The NC population on Miller has decreased since the start and the TR/VS pop have increased. It's not hard to work out that people have swapped from NC to the other 2 factions as they are easier to play.

[FreeSpeech]

I'm stuck though because my friends all chose NC, and that's mainly due to the music and the fact they didn't like the VS look. SO WHAT?! Who cares about the crappy music and skins you all look the same anyway!! NC guns NEED A BUFF and VS vehicles need a serious nerf. A scythe for example is:

(a) more maneoverable than any other ESF
(b) no less weaker than any other ESF - they can take 2 salvos of the upgraded primary gun on a Reaver and still have health left.
(c) able to deal more splash damage with pods than we can making them obscene infantry killers
(d) rip all other ESF's to shreds with their guns.

Frankly how Sony are so blind to the NC problem is a mystery.

[ShadetheDruid]

(a) more maneoverable than any other ESF

That's.. kind of their thing. Mossies are speed, Scythes are maneuverability, Reavers are.. questionable at the minute, i'll give you that.

(d) rip all other ESF's to shreds with their guns.

Ever seen the Mossie gun that fires about 50 rounds in 2 seconds? :eek: The Scythe's guns aren't any more or less destructive than the guns on the other two, they're just different.

Most of the issue when it comes to NC compared to, say, VS isn't a power difference, it's an ease of use difference one what they get as defaults (whether it be guns or aircraft, etc).

[Rolfski]

I guess I need a new mantra to chant in the shower every morning: "I will have a positively charged day. I will have a positively charged day. I will have a positively charged day".
That's the spirit! I wish more bittered people would follow your example :D

[Beerbeer]

I feel like a bystander watching a train wreck. It's both horrible and intriguing to watch, but I can't take my eyes off of it.

I guess if you bought a ticket on that train, all you can do is smile and think positive thoughts, so good for you.

[FreeSpeech]

The NC equivalent of the 50 rounds in 2 seconds gun doesn't even hurt when it does hit. ONe scythe I found took 2 full salvos from that gun and still had 25% of it's health left to do a 360 turn on the spot and pelt me with half a salvo to kill mine. There's definitely some damage difference.

Reavers are definitely "questionnable" and I'll bet anything that they won't get any help in the next patch.

[maradine]

The NC equivalent of the 50 rounds in 2 seconds gun doesn't even hurt when it does hit. ONe scythe I found took 2 full salvos from that gun and still had 25% of it's health left to do a 360 turn on the spot and pelt me with half a salvo to kill mine. There's definitely some damage difference.

Reavers are definitely "questionnable" and I'll bet anything that they won't get any help in the next patch.

1. I'm guessing you meant 180?
2. There is no scythe weapon that kills in half a salvo. Even an up-magged TurboLaser at point blank is two. On this there is plenty of available video evidence.

You seem to be a one issue pony. There's nothing wrong with that, but perhaps you'd like to make a thread on your collected pile of NC imbalances, and stop littering them around everywhere else. You might get more engagement.

[FreeSpeech]

Seems to manage fine when shooting a Reaver down. Hell a basic firearm manages to damage a Reaver pretty dam well. Liberators can laugh at the Reaver while 3 ENTIRE SALVOS of rockets + rotary cannons fail to destroy it and other fighters can laugh while the Reaver is unable to turn on the spot.

[ShadetheDruid]

FreeSpeech, I notice about two or three times now you've commented on the "weakness" of the Reaver in terms of damage. You are aware that all three ESFs have the same HP, right?

[FreeSpeech]

Certainly doesn't seem that way. Barely one salvo of bullets and Reaver dies. Scythe's still take at least 2 without any issues and these are direct hits on the body.

Needs a damage output buff certainly. Liberators don't even bother with back gunners now because the damage an ESF does to a Lib is so pitiful they don't even need to worry about us.

[Rolfski]

Last night saw 43(!) TR outfits operating together on Miller (http://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/quarz-ridge-on-miller-last-night.78959/#post-1015066), it was a total blast. Anyone who still thinks this game is dead obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

[james]

The game isn't dead i don't think anyone is saying that. It seems player numbers have gone up, but that's thanks to SOE being misleading about changes in an email. So they will loose those players shortly

[Strategy]

Certainly doesn't seem that way. Barely one salvo of bullets and Reaver dies. Scythe's still take at least 2 without any issues and these are direct hits on the body.

Needs a damage output buff certainly. Liberators don't even bother with back gunners now because the damage an ESF does to a Lib is so pitiful they don't even need to worry about us.

You should watch Ironfist's stream. There's nothing wrong with the Reaver (now that they've fixed it).

[FreeSpeech]

4 full salvos required to kill a Lib. At least 2 full salvos to kill an ESF. Less maneoverable and less fast but no increase in damage noticeable and ammo extremely limited without a million certs. Plenty wrong!