How to Fix Planetside 2 - CreditCards!!

[Shivermore]

What if Sony still required that you create an account with a credit card? It would still be a free to play game, but it would keep people from creating 100 different toons (maybe 1 per faction with a 24 hour cool down like PS1). It would also make people think twice about getting banned for cheating. For those without credit cards I don't know ...

Thoughts?

[Sledgecrushr]

But I like the easy access this game brings. Banning should be done at a hardware level. Thes cheaters should be forced to buy a new rig if they want to hack.

[Figment]

I heard the Russian publisher is trying to control these accounts with phone numbers.

[p0intman]

No because then CoD/Battlefield kiddies wouldn't be able to play. Also, smed would have to admit he was wrong about 'f2p'.

[Shivermore]

There's no feasable way to do this at a hardware level. IP's wont work because 99% of people use DHCP. MAC addresses don't work because the layer 2 header is stripped at various points while traversing the layer 3 network. And just about everything else can be spoofed.

[Sledgecrushr]

No because then CoD/Battlefield kiddies wouldn't be able to play. Also, smed would have to admit he was wrong about 'f2p'.

So you are saying that only f2p games have hackers? Or are you just being a negative bitch this morning?

[p0intman]

So you are saying that only f2p games have hackers? Or are you just being a negative bitch this morning?
Asshole, Major Asshole.
Major Asshole - YouTube

[Shivermore]

No because then CoD/Battlefield kiddies wouldn't be able to play. Also, smed would have to admit he was wrong about 'f2p'.

I'm not saying change the f2p model. Just make them register a credit card. It would be a problem for those without credit cards so there would need to be something to take that into account. Maybe make it a "Mostly" free to pay where you might have to buy a game card with a positive balance on it ... say $5-$10. You could use it for station cash or you could trade it back in for cash later. Not really sure what would be a good idea for credit-card-less people ...

[Figment]

So you are saying that only f2p games have hackers? Or are you just being a negative bitch this morning?

He's not, just that they're harder to keep out, en mass.

Even if it's a speedbump, the higher the bump, the less will ignore it.

[Sledgecrushr]

Asshole, Major Asshole.
Major Asshole - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs39fmoQ8zU)

Lol, back away from the ledge...everything is going to be fine.

[Sturmhardt]

I heard the Russian publisher is trying to control these accounts with phone numbers.

Yup, and that's better than credit cards. Not everyone has a credit card outside the us, but everybody who has internet also has a phone.

.sent via phone.

[p0intman]

Yup, and that's better than credit cards. Not everyone has a credit card outside the us, but everybody who has internet also has a phone.

.sent via phone.

No it isnt. Store three blocks from me sells prepaid cellphones for about 15 bucks or so.

[Figment]

No it isnt. Store three blocks from me sells prepaid cellphones for about 15 bucks or so.

That'd be a month sub of PS1.


Not many will spend that for simply creating a new account if the bans are swift. And those that do? Bleed 'm dry. :p

[p0intman]

That'd be a month sub of PS1.


Not many will spend that for simply creating a new account if the bans are swift. And those that do? Bleed 'm dry. :p

sup?
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/75878.html

[Figment]

Touché. Still not free at 8 phone numbers per $12, but a lot cheaper than new phones.

[KaskaMatej]

Just make them register a credit card.

You just excluded most of Europe.

[p0intman]

You just excluded most of Europe.

We didn't want that continent's player base anyway, give them to prosiebensat
-John "same driver/main gunner tanks are fun, and your vehicle spam is primary gameplay" Smedley

[PurpleOtter]

I foresee the time when all gaming accounts are tied to a security key fob. Anyone gets to create an account and you have a grace period while they mail you your fob. After that, if you get caught breaking the TOS with a ban able offense, all accounts associated with that security key go bye-bye....

[maradine]

In 10 years, very few people will be using hardware fobs - especially ones where you don't control the crypto seed file yourself. Mobile auth (Duo, GA, CryptoCard, Safenet, etc.), on the other hand, will likely be standard.

[Ghoest9]

Credit cards go against every aspect of their financial strategy.

The concept here is that they provide a good easy to access free experience and then people decide to spend money on it because they like it.

[AThreatToYou]

Using phone numbers to test banned banned accounts is legitimate. I'm sure they could figure out a way to use that and I think it would work.

Credit Cards is a really bad idea, that's all I got to say, cause you didn't specify debit cards, and then you have to support cardholders and ping the accounts which costs money.

[PurpleOtter]

In 10 years, very few people will be using hardware fobs - especially ones where you don't control the crypto seed file yourself. Mobile auth (Duo, GA, CryptoCard, Safenet, etc.), on the other hand, will likely be standard.


Current hardware aside, my concept is still sound. Bind the account to the Crypto Key, and ergo the individual, and you are able to make people act responsible by making any ban hurt personally.

[Ailos]

There's no feasable way to do this at a hardware level. IP's wont work because 99% of people use DHCP. MAC addresses don't work because the layer 2 header is stripped at various points while traversing the layer 3 network. And just about everything else can be spoofed.
Sure there is a feasible way to do this. Ever wonder why, when re-installing Windows after (typically) the third try, it tells you that the only way you can activate is through the phone? That's right, hardware hashes. Sure, they can be spoofed, but spoofing a CPU or GPU hash is a lot harder than spoofing a MAC address. Would some people still get around it? Of course. You can never completely eliminate hacking, but each step you take to impede the process reduces the number of those who try by an order of magnitude. Combined with an at least mildly vigilant CSR team, it won't be difficult to single out the few individuals who still go through the trouble of hacking.

[Shivermore]

Trying to track the hardware isn't really doing anything when anyone can login from anywhere. It might put a few people off though. Security in layers as they say. As for the ip and mac spoofing ... no one would need to spoof anything. MAC addresses are stripped and replaced as part of the process of routing layer 3 packets (tcp/ip) and most internet service providers charge you to get a static IP address. DHCP will periodically assign you a new address or you can just renew your address.

[Shivermore]

What do people in Europe normally use to pay for online games that are not f2p?

[Figment]

What do people in Europe normally use to pay for online games that are not f2p?

Some call it "money".


(Bank account through iDeal, that sort of thing)

[KaskaMatej]

What do people in Europe normally use to pay for online games that are not f2p?

PayPal, various eBanking, debit cards, prepaid cards (PaySafe for example)...

[Soothsayer]

Double post-a-rama lately. The next post is the one to read.

[Soothsayer]

No it isnt. Store three blocks from me sells prepaid cellphones for about 15 bucks or so.

I use www.freephoneline.ca , it's pretty easy to get a number.

The quality isn't great, def getting what I paid for.

They assigned me a number within my area, $0.


[EDIT: Back on topic - I think that giving the community better tools to report cheaters would be good. So many other MMO's have cut down on real currency trading in their games by giving the users the ability to easily report gold sellers.

Planetside needs to streamline the process for users to report cheaters and kick them at the first sign of trouble. Then beef up the automated systems as well.]

[Tharrn]

What do people in Europe normally use to pay for online games that are not f2p?
I dunno if you guys are living at the arse end of Europe in some backwater village without water and electricity... But we do have credit cards where I live :P