How to tell if a pilot is... cheating?

[Assist]

I know that you guys don't want posts about specific players so I'll try to keep the name out of it.

Let me preface this by saying that I am without a doubt the worst pilot in the game. If I kill another air vehicle using my ESF it's either from lock-on rockets, crashing into them, or if it's an infantry unit spamming them with the PPA and then ramming myself into the ground.

There's a TR on Waterson server who has me very skeptical. I've been killed by his liberator more than a few times, and most times I don't even see him in the air when I look for him. He's always at max range and I've seen him wipe out 6+ ground vehicles while everyone looks for him. I've been writing that off as the Liberator being ridiculous and needing a nerf. I figure I cannot see him, he's either really high and far away and somehow is spotting us, or something is buggy with the game.
My skepticism comes from his Mosquito 'skills'. He picked off 2 other ESF around me(people in voice comms with me) and none of us saw him or knows where he was at the time. He then killed me, while I was banking around a corner with afterburners on at full speed(serpentine pattern failed me). All three of us he killed with 1 clip of his main gun on the Mosquito, he never missed. After this happened, he then proceeded to use the Mosquito, somewhere out of sight again, and take out 2 Magriders using the main gun on the Mosquito(Rotary?). Once again, no one saw him. Then he finally showed up, coming in full speed over the wide-open base, and killed me on a Flash without damaging my Flash, using the same main weapon on the Mosquito.
So, after all that, and being confused and raging like a tard, I reported him. There's no way someone has that kind of aim, in an ESF, to not only kill another ESF that is doing their best to avoid damage, and kill those vehicles without being seen, and to kill a player on a flash without even damaging the flash. Or is there?

Like I said, I'm a horrible pilot, but I have a general idea of the limitations of player skill and this specific person has really made me wonder. I've seen this guy only once on the ground, he was afk inside a spawn room. He plays as much if not more than I do and I am 100% sure everyone on Waterson knows who he is.

[Baneblade]

I'm not saying he is or is not suspected of cheating, but it has been my experience that really good pilots are easy to suspect of it. Even in PS1 all the jinking in the world never seemed to make some pilots miss.

So, I think he is a Cylon... or an ingame UAV being controlled by the USAF.

[Zlodey]

Good pilots, huh?
Look at this: http://twitch.tv/eldaen/b/343937646

Skip to 13.40

If you think this is one really serious problem of Ps2, I will show you more:

Planetside 2 - OPK / Mass Kill - YouTube
Planetside 2 - Autowall - YouTube

In the current state of game protection, PS2 is doomed with cheaters. They will kill this game sooner or later.
This is too bad idea - give so much calculations to client side.

What happens in PS2 now:
Last Action Hero - Benedict***39;s Theory - YouTube

[maradine]

It's very difficult to assess these situations. I occasionally get bounced hard enough to have that "WTF just happened?!" taste in my mouth. On the other hand, I occasionally get a ridiculous chain, like coming up on a little swarm of bugs on the tail of a buddy, and 6 bursts later it's clear skies and beers back at the ranch.

I usually dogfight by sound - could you hear the guy, even though you couldn't see him?

[Assist]

I usually dogfight by sound - could you hear the guy, even though you couldn't see him?

Not when we were in the ESF's. I almost never see/hear him when I die to him, it's almost always when he's in a lib and now recently the mosquito piloting.

[Chaff]

Sounds fishy at best. Cheaters suck. There's not a lot (yet), but there are too many for my taste.

[AThreatToYou]

I would suspect this pilot of cheating, but there are many times where I graze infantry off of flashes without 1 bullet hitting the flash in an ESF. There is also a game bug where occasionally the server/you/something will lag and you will become stuck to certain players in a certain location. It could be possible that this is area-related, and all of you in your ESFs were lag-stuck in one location. When this happens, you are completely immobile and take damage as normal, except you may be on the other side of the map entirely, able to take damage normally from other sources and deal damage normally (and move normally). That's also what he could be hacking to do.

[The Jamhead]

Planetside 2 - OPK / Mass Kill - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlzIfe73uZM&feature=player_embedded)
Planetside 2 - Autowall - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4Ey2xOmjo&feature=player_embedded)



Wow. That just sucks man :(

[Saintlycow]

I've also had a dubiuous encounter with a TR on waterson as well. He was able to kill me at an insane range with his rotary cannon, while i strafed sideways. Like, his craft was small than the reticle on my zoomed in nose cannon.

He could have been good, but the speed at which i got killed left me with a strange feeling

[Thunderhawk]

Cheaters disgust me, seriously the lowest form of life

[Raka Maru]

Has to report 2 NC cheaters in liberators on Connery. Both had 3 letter names that were all caps and when we got shot down, it was an unnatural sound. Every bullet hit from the front gun. I hope they get banned.

[StumpyTheOzzie]

I would suspect this pilot of cheating, but there are many times where I graze infantry off of flashes without 1 bullet hitting the flash in an ESF. There is also a game bug where occasionally the server/you/something will lag and you will become stuck to certain players in a certain location. It could be possible that this is area-related, and all of you in your ESFs were lag-stuck in one location. When this happens, you are completely immobile and take damage as normal, except you may be on the other side of the map entirely, able to take damage normally from other sources and deal damage normally (and move normally). That's also what he could be hacking to do.

That has happened to me. I saw a couple of "stuck" scythes so I blew them away with my Lib nose cannon. A few minutes later I got tells calling me a cheat and whatever. So a "one off" like that is ok, but the OP then tells us how this has happened again and again under different circumstances (aircraft and ground vehicles) and at different times.

Assuming all other factors are normal, this paints a bad picture. If the OP was just unlucky with lag or some such, why wasn't he farmed by someone else when he was on his flash in a different place and time? Very suspect.

I say report and let the devs sort it out.

[Towe]

Once I got a McAfee Scan going on in the back and suddenly I was told Im suspected of cheating and also that two admins would observe me.

Left a strange feeling that you would be told when observed and that every virus scan takes two admins. Hope they do more about it than just popping those messages to scare people...

[Mox]

Once I got a McAfee Scan going on in the back and suddenly I was told Im suspected of cheating and also that two admins would observe me.

Left a strange feeling that you would be told when observed and that every virus scan takes two admins. Hope they do more about it than just popping those messages to scare people...

These ingame messages are SOEs weapon against cheaters. I got it too and everbody of my friends got it. I think they send it randomly. No one of us is cheating or running any 3th party. It is just sad that they have no better instrument to get rid of cheaters.

[Canaris]

those videos made me throw up in my mouth...... :(

[Ghoest9]

The same thing happened in PS1 with Mossies.

They became the ultimate snipers thanks to aimers.
If aircraft have anti inf weapons they should always have a serious arc.

[FreeSpeech]

If he's piloting an NC Reaver and he's owning the sky, he's a cheater. Reavers suck complete ass in all respects compared to others. Hell a Liberator is able to take 3 entire salvos of breaker rockets and rotary cannons and STILL be alive! The Reaver can take about ..........4 hits and it's dead.

[Wahooo]

The same thing happened in PS1 with Mossies.

They became the ultimate snipers thanks to aimers.
If aircraft have anti inf weapons they should always have a serious arc.

I don't think there was ever an aimbot created for PS1. Those were just good mossie pilots.

Increased ROF/COF and no-reload made Reavers hell in the air though.

[Ghoest9]

I don't think there was ever an aimbot created for PS1. Those were just good mossie pilots.

Increased ROF/COF and no-reload made Reavers hell in the air though.



Ummm ya. PS1 had no aim bots??


BTW Im not talking about the first year.

[Wahooo]

Ummm ya. PS1 had no aim bots??


BTW Im not talking about the first year.

ROF changes
COF changes
Teleport
No Reload
Gamma hacks
Radar hacks
infinite afterburn - also usable by VS maxes
The dual core exploit which became a speed hack. Also a less used script for increased run speed.
-Were the most common


Pull hack where someone could call all of the people from an SOI and insta-kill them under the world.

Several exploits, like router placement and creating invulnerable vehicles.

The true hackers that didn't cheat but were able to break into the game itself - you know the Terms of Service Violation movies.
They were able to do some pretty crazy stuff with weapon switching and such.

But no, there was no aimbot.

[Duskguy]

those videos.... why would you do that? i dont see how that could be fun, and why in the world would you tape yourself doing it except to prove to SOE that people can and are doing it?

really need to get more people watching this. only thing ive really seen on Mattherson is people shoting from underground or through walls occasionally

edit: i realize its not eh poster doing it, those are more of rhetorical questions.

[Solkanarmy]

I think some people just don't have the skill to become average at the game so they feel they have to get a cheat program - we were chased down in a liberator at 700m by a TR heavy assault, on foot, who was able to maintain speeds of 140km/h+ and hit us with his rockets from point blank range.

I found it funny that I'm enough of a threat that cheaters have to come after me instead of trying to beat me fairly^^ still, I don't understand how anyone would get any sense of accomplishment or victory when using a program like that. Hopefully SoE is saving a list of people who have tried it, even once, to ban once they're comfortable again and have spent some SC, just so it stings that little bit more :)

Also, talking of cheats, the day after the crash exploit was fixed, we pushed up to the TR warpgate on Woodman for the first time since just after the patch. It's a shame that there was a correlation like that because it makes the TR look like a bunch of cheaters, when in fact they're a very small minority.

So yeah, cheating in fact negatively influences your side... if you want amazing stats and no sense of accomplishment at all, I request that SoE creates a BR 100 character with all weapons, 1000 K/D, and places it on a banned account that anyone may claim to own. There, problem solved :)

[Happytrail]

old but still valid
Counter Strike Cheater Computer Destroyed - YouTube
that is what i think cheaters deserve

[Brusi]

I was going to start a thread with this title...

I assume it would have been derailed as often as this one anyway, so i'll just pose the question again, in a slightly different way.

How can I tell the difference between an Aircraft that is operating abnormally due to some effect of lag and when it is actually some effect of a third-party program, that is giving the player controlling it an edge in combat.

I honestly want to know this as i hate to hackusate, ever... but sometimes i'll see an enemy ESF move in a way that does not look possible.

I've seen the effects of leaving torrents downloading while you are playing PS2, and it makes people teleport all over my screen. I can only assume that i am teleporting around on other peoples screens, or at least moving really fast as i rubber-band between "last known" locations. This might personally make me look dodgy, but i can say that it is in no way performance enhancing, lol.

[Quadron]

Here is a video of a player speed hacking in a liberator on the SolTech server. I've reported this person and made multiple SOE tickets, and so have others, as far as I know, he has not been banned yet.

SistaGurl Speed Hacking with Liberator (Ban Please) - YouTube