I guess I'll be the one to ask...

[Baneblade]

... but has anyone else noticed the Prowler replacing the Magrider as King Tank? My Vanguard is having a helluva time with them after this massive buff. Even when I get the first shot in, they still do more DPS than I can do to them, even with a second gunner and both of us using anti vehicle weapons. And yes, I am also including the Van Shield blocked salvo. Even with that they still have no trouble killing me 1v1. I feel like free XP to TR now lol.

That isn't to say I don't enjoy the Titan 150-AP buff we got, sure makes killing air easier.

[Ghodere]

Yeah, the Prowler wins at close range at this point. The margin isn't huge, though- I've had plenty of fights decided by the first shot and a miss or two. I will say that Front Armor Vanugards scare the hell out of me- I might be able to beat them in a perfect scenario, with both of our gunners doing well, but the margin of error on my side is slim. From my point of view, that's what the current situation comes down to- the Prowler will win the fight if nobody messes up, but in a chaotic battlefield situation, it's not very clear-cut at all.

Honestly I'd say it's down to the Vanguard not having a discrete and distinct role- it's a generic MBT, which is fine, but when it's all one faction has, and the others have specialized armor but no simple MBT... it gets odd.

[PredatorFour]

Yeh it's funny watching the balancing game. We have gone from the VS being OP to the TR now having the best tank/esf/infantry guns. Not moaning though! doesn't bother me one faction is OP, usually have more ppl to shoot :)

[Baneblade]

I'm thinking that I should put my side armor back on, Most Prowlers seem to want to circle strafe me, so added Front armor isn't going to do all that much for that.

[Gimpylung]

Yeh it's funny watching the balancing game. We have gone from the VS being OP to the TR now having the best tank/esf/infantry guns. Not moaning though! doesn't bother me one faction is OP, usually have more ppl to shoot :)

What Pred said.

[Canaris]

Yeh it's funny watching the balancing game. We have gone from the VS being OP to the TR now having the best tank/esf/infantry guns. Not moaning though! doesn't bother me one faction is OP, usually have more ppl to shoot :)

I don't want to call you a liar but........ I can't finish this sentance without using that word oops:

our Prowler might have gotten some bigger claws but I'd still consider the VS to have the best infantry weapons in game and the most manuverable fighters which fighting air or ground seems to cinch the win.
Just my own opinion by the way, as they say the grass is greener on the otherside. ;)

[ringring]

Dunno, it's hard to say.

I certainly tend to win in a prowler but then I've also got 4th level reload buff. I also tend the keep hull down and don't get too far forward unless there's an obviously damaged enemy to finish off.

The things that kill me are.
guided rockets
AV turrets
Mines

tanks least of all, possibly because, like I say, I tend not to rush in.

**Edit played today and was killed three times.......
1. By a suiciding engineer placing mines beneath my tank
2. By a tower AV turret
3. By a A2G Reaver

I didn't fight with a Vanguard at all but fought with a magrider twice, once at long range without getting a kill and once at close range where I did significant damage but still didn't get a kill, ie the mag was isolated and surrounded by enemies.

[PredatorFour]

I don't want to call you a liar but........ I can't finish this sentance without using that word oops:

our Prowler might have gotten some bigger claws but I'd still consider the VS to have the best infantry weapons in game and the most manuverable fighters which fighting air or ground seems to cinch the win.
Just my own opinion by the way, as they say the grass is greener on the otherside. ;)

Speed,accuracy,damage/rof .......hmmmmmmm;)

[james]

Its much better, but from what i have seen a vanguard can still outslug every tank. But then the Vanguard is basically the futures M1 Abrams. Thats my only complaint with the NC it fells like they just took the US Military and put it inthere

[Ruffdog]

I loved my Prowler before it was fashionable

[Sturmhardt]

Hm... It got better, but I would not say op.

.sent via phone.

[superseohyun]

i try to fight a vanguard with HEAT shell starting at 50 m range, not even a close fight.... for some reason i couldn't break its shield and by the time the shield was down i was already dead.

at long range with AP shell i usually own vangaurd though.

[james]

i try to fight a vanguard with HEAT shell starting at 50 m range, not even a close fight.... for some reason i couldn't break its shield and by the time the shield was down i was already dead.

at long range with AP shell i usually own vangaurd though.

Thats because the shield is crazy good, plus the vanguard front armor with the upgrade takes something like 11 shots to kill from the prowler

[Hamma]

I've definitely noticed a large increase in Prowlers - its felt good seeing the TR roll armor.

[SGOniell]

I find the roles I use my Vanguard for are typically long range bombardment, and mid-long range tank battles. I was bombing the shit out of the Crown, held by TR, yesterday. Was on the ridge by the watch tower. Even with the standard turret I destroyed a sunderer, a few lightnings, and probably got 30-40 infantry before I ran out of ammo. Situations like that, the low profile of the vanguard has an advantage. Its harder to hit. I find I can snipe Prowlers and Mag Riders cause they sit up nice and high. Especially Magriders cause of their weapon mount. They simply can't perform a hull down maneuver. I've hid behind those barricades in a 2v1 fight and still won. Their weapon just couldn't go over them at close range, whereas mine could.

I figure its all about how you use it. From what little I know, Prowlers are great for long range bombardments with the set up ability, Mag Riders are fantastically fast and maneuverable, which makes them great for getting to places or dodging fire, and the Vanguard is a heavy tank for absorbing fire, and has a smaller profile to allow it to perform those hull down maneuvers, which are fantastic.

[Canaris]

oh and because it would be remiss of me not to say I still want to see Prowlers with central cannons. (Never going to let this go)

[Varsam]

This was a much needed change to make prowlers (and to a lesser extent vanguards) more competitive against the other tanks... But 1) I think it was too much of a knee jerk (the buff was massive) and 2) they shouldn't have nerfed the magrider. It should have been one or the other, not both simultaneously.

I also wish the devs were more transparent with their metrics, so their player base could at least throw numbers at each other when arguing.

[ShadetheDruid]

2) they shouldn't have nerfed the magrider. It should have been one or the other, not both simultaneously.

They only nerfed their ability to climb ridiculous hills, everything else was a bug.

[Graywolves]

I actually don't see a big difference. AP rounds pretty much fire faster and I'm pretty sure when they "fixed" the HEAT rounds they were actually nerfed.

[Baneblade]

Maybe things will plane out some when I round off my certs for the Vanguard. It's not always easy to tell which Prowlers are certed and which are just some Alpha Squadder's alt.

[Assist]

I don't want to call you a liar but........ I can't finish this sentance without using that word oops:

our Prowler might have gotten some bigger claws but I'd still consider the VS to have the best infantry weapons in game and the most manuverable fighters which fighting air or ground seems to cinch the win.
Just my own opinion by the way, as they say the grass is greener on the otherside. ;)

Why would you consider the VS guns better?

They only nerfed their ability to climb ridiculous hills, everything else was a bug.

Still you people don't get it. It can still climb those ridiculous hills. I can still get my Magrider on top of Vanu Archives, nothing has changed there. It was already the worst tank in firepower pre-patch, it was the worst tank in 1v1 situations, it just outnumbered all the other tanks because of how unique it was. It's no longer that unique because strafing has been ruined on it. It's funny to me that people are finally starting to acknowledge how inferior it is now, after I've been saying it all this time.
One day the balancing team will figure out that everything they've done for vehicle combat balance has been the wrong way to do it. Considering the falloff in players lately I'm hoping there are people left when they start to balance properly rather than based on the masses.

[Palerion]

Yeh it's funny watching the balancing game. We have gone from the VS being OP to the TR now having the best tank/esf/infantry guns. Not moaning though! doesn't bother me one faction is OP, usually have more ppl to shoot :)

Did vanu weps get a nerf?

[MaxDamage]

... but has anyone else noticed the Prowler replacing the Magrider as King Tank? My Vanguard is having a helluva time with them after this massive buff. Even when I get the first shot in, they still do more DPS than I can do to them, even with a second gunner and both of us using anti vehicle weapons. And yes, I am also including the Van Shield blocked salvo. Even with that they still have no trouble killing me 1v1. I feel like free XP to TR now lol.

That isn't to say I don't enjoy the Titan 150-AP buff we got, sure makes killing air easier.

I really couldn't give a crap until they fix NC MAXes.

[EVILPIG]

I was saying to some TR bitching about the NC MAX last night, the game balance has changed.

Prepatch.
NC - Best MAX.
VS - Best vehicles.
TR - Best Infantry Weapons.

Now.
NC - Best MAX.
VS - Best Fighter.
TR - Best Infantry weapons and best tank.


What's to change next?

[ShadetheDruid]

Still you people don't get it. It can still climb those ridiculous hills. I can still get my Magrider on top of Vanu Archives, nothing has changed there.

We're the ones that don't get it? :rolleyes: We're not even talking about the magburner.

It was already the worst tank in firepower pre-patch, it was the worst tank in 1v1 situations, it just outnumbered all the other tanks because of how unique it was. It's no longer that unique because strafing has been ruined on it.

Because the Prowler and Vanguard are exactly the same? Holy shit! They both have tracks and don't move side to side! :rolleyes: