More TW user PS Beta NDA Breakage. [Archive]

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 10:51 AM

Was that me talking about the NDA means jack shit this close to Open Beta?

Not that *I* would abuse it. If I got Beta, I would clutch it to my chest in an orgasmic frenzy of gamer lust for probably the first couple of hours. Then I would pad out to the kitchen, get some water, and come back for Round Two.

Beta would be safe with me.

But, you know . . . until I get beta, I am all for NDA breakage -- I get to hear more about PS, and I don't care particularly if other people get booted out of Beta to bring me that info. :lol:

KoldFusion

2003-03-31, 10:57 AM

Go Afex! Give 'em hell

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 11:05 AM

I sent an e-mail to Briley. Funny watching TW members get owned. What goes around, comes around. :love:

Revulsion

2003-03-31, 11:10 AM

Oh well, everyone knew someone somehow would break the nda. Not uncommon in beta games.

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 11:11 AM

He's a Veteran (Vet^1). There are lots of Vet^1 n00bs that came in for Tribes 2.

It's tough to 0wn a Vet^2. And Vet^3 have this kind of mystical shield that surrounds them; I guess it wards off danger, and makes you irresistable to the opposite sex.

Hijinks

2003-03-31, 11:42 AM

doh

OutlawGummy

2003-03-31, 12:03 PM

That was a lame ass thread. What I can't figure out, is why I actually read the whole thing :confused:

I want that 15 minutes of my life back! Not to mention.... :wantbeta:

Madfish

2003-03-31, 12:47 PM

It makes me cry (really) that someone like this gets into Beta :/ I guess the objective is to test it with all manner of people; even those who can't read / of diminished brain capacity.

He should have his beta account revoked asap and replaced with someone more deserving like Mr_Luc. We all get a lot of laughs out of you dude so my vote would be for you :D

<sniff>

Strygun

2003-03-31, 01:38 PM

doof

:lol:

qbert2

2003-03-31, 01:43 PM

wow TW still exists the shock and horror.

LesserShade

2003-03-31, 01:52 PM

^not to mention the horror

OmnipotentKiwi

2003-03-31, 02:02 PM

The thing that pisses me off the most is the fact his screenshots themselves suck as far as quality goes....

There is a reason they don't let normal beta testers post screenshots, and he proved it.

TRscpd

2003-03-31, 02:18 PM

why are you flameing this beta tester ?? you do know there is alot more ppl who brok the NDA rule no one really cares about it

Venom

2003-03-31, 02:19 PM

what i found funny was that his defence was that the people 'flaming' him downloaded warez so they were no better than he.

god damn morons.

Civilian

2003-03-31, 02:32 PM

I really feel sorry for the members of TW that add intelligent discussions to that forum because the last 7 idiots(excluding Vermillion) in this thread are pretty typical of the types of people that get recognition from that forum.

Nothing more mature than calling another person an "asshat" or a "******" for doing the right thing. I love it when the kiddie's try to impose their will upon you by calling you names. They are very cool. :rolleyes:

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 02:39 PM

I'm loving every minute of it, making my day at work go by quicker :)

SonGohan

2003-03-31, 02:42 PM

Wow. Lots - o - internet penis envy between the two forums. (Actually, just this one for TW from what I've read so far)

I'm fresh from there... Don't see me all saying "OMGz! TW roxx0rs your box0rs! keke silly newb PS gits!"

This coming from a guy who has been named after DBZ for longer then most of you have been on the internet...

"Grow Up"

Jason

2003-03-31, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by SonGohan
I'm fresh from there... Don't see me all saying "OMGz! TW roxx0rs your box0rs! keke silly newb PS gits!"

But TW does rock that hard.

xpdnc

2003-03-31, 02:53 PM

don't worry folks, i've graciously offered to host any and all beta pictures and reviews, totally anonymously!

you can find me at tribalwar, your home for pissing off people who act like they're 10 years old by telling their mommies when something happens they don't like :)

xpdnc

2003-03-31, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Civilian
I really feel sorry for the members of TW that add intelligent discussions to that forum because the last 7 idiots(excluding Vermillion) in this thread are pretty typical of the types of people that get recognition from that forum.

Nothing more mature than calling another person an "asshat" or a "******" for doing the right thing. I love it when the kiddie's try to impose their will upon you by calling you names. They are very cool. :rolleyes:

it's not that he did it, it's that he bragged about it afterwards...that's incredibly mature.

Airlift

2003-03-31, 03:02 PM

It's one step less nerdy to spend all day whoring forums for a game that isn't out yet than to spend all day whoring forums for a game that died a long time ago. One step less nerdy than this is spending all day whoring forums for games that are currently out, and still one step less nerdy is eating your own boogers.

Mwuhuhahaha, take that all of...us... doh!
Well at least we're not still waiting around for a Duke Nukem game.

OneManArmy

2003-03-31, 03:03 PM

yes, but I learn such cool new words like "asshat" from reading all of it.

Airlift

2003-03-31, 03:08 PM

But asshat was OFN about 8 years ago. You're only hurting yourself by learning it now ;)

Squeeky

2003-03-31, 03:15 PM

:clap: for afex!

SonGohan

2003-03-31, 03:17 PM

afex... name sounds familiar.

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 03:18 PM

"Asshat" is just a drop in the AIDS Water bucket of wisdom that is Tribalwar. :rofl: God I love TW.

It's kind of childish, though. Honestly, PSU is doing great to be where it's at -- but it's got a ways to go before it has the community support that TW has, and you can tell that by the donations thread. I think TW had the necessary emergency funds (with plenty left over for the war chest, the initial funds needed were, what, a thousand, two thousand or so) within something like 24 hours of dropping a Sticky in the General forum. But it seems lame for people to be flaming one way or the other between sites. TW lets us be immature -- that's one of the reasons we go there. We revel in it. :D If you're going to post on TW, you need to get the stick out of your ass FAST before someone breaks it off in there for you.

That being said . . . Vermillion seems like a grade A asshat. And the guy that posted the pics -- let me think.

Pros: I get to see new pictures and info from Planetside Closed Beta.

Cons: Some guy I have never really heard of before, even in a TW context, might get booted out of beta for posting those screens.

Well, if he has to lose beta, that is a sacrifice I will just have to make. I'll try not to let it get me down too much. So I don't give a damn about whether or not he stays in beta.

But would I turn him in? :P Hell no. That would be like turning a neighbor in for stealing cable, or for using fake online pr0n accounts, or jaywalking. In each case, the fact that you cared enough to report it makes you a GRADE A ASSHAT.

I can see how an admin like Hamma would be forced to report stuff that happens on his own forums. But I don't see the reasoning behind going out of your way to report people that are doing something that, while maybe wrong (although 'wrong' and 'right' are so subjective, call it 'illegal') will almost certainly never hurt anyone, and CERTAINLY will never hurt you.

Seems kind of gay. Vermillion, eat a bucket of AIDS Water please.

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 03:24 PM

Where can I buy some of this 'AIDS' water you speak of? I'd very much like some!

Civilian

2003-03-31, 03:32 PM

Seems kind of gay. Vermillion, eat a bucket of AIDS Water please.

LMAO!

Actually when you think about it, that's kinda disturbing.

I'm not justifying Vermillion's actions. It certainly wasn't necessary for him to "brag" about turning them in(although he had been reported long before Vermillion entered into the equation), but there is nothing wrong with him reporting this guy.

I definitely wouldn't have acted in the same manner. The best thing to do in this case is, if you are going to report him, report him and move on. Just a suggestion for next time. ;)

And I will say, this is the kind of stuff that seems to get both side fired up. This is a fued between a few people from each forum that I will never understand and I'd prefer to stay out of it.

xpdnc

2003-03-31, 03:37 PM

there's quite a bit of animosity between the boards, and most of it comes from people i've never seen on TW

maybe you view it once and think you understand the way it works?

Ouroboros

2003-03-31, 03:39 PM

How about you guys just stop the flaming.

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 04:12 PM

I don't think that many of the people who have posted in this thread really understand TW very well. As an infrequent visitor of this board, I don't presume to understand the PSU community, or its game. My opinions are based on very little information. Accordingly, I tend to keep my mouth shut about them. Several would benefit from a similar strategy.

xpdnc

2003-03-31, 04:29 PM

i'd just like to make mention of the fact that when asked who the other people from TW were that broke the NDA, he couldn't find any, and through further searching of TW, it was found that it was only this one person who broke it, so before you jump on the 'TW BREAKS THE NDA EVERY CHANCE THEY GET' bandwagon, perhaps you'll learn to get some proof before you attack something

Skyler

2003-03-31, 04:32 PM

Helo!

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 04:33 PM

No one has still clarified or given proof that saying you are in beta is not against the NDA.

Way to try and feel important, hypocrite :rofl:

Got Haggis

2003-03-31, 04:34 PM

no shit. As a frequent (somewhat less here) vistor of BOTH forums, I must say that Vermillion is being quite the troll. Especially for trying to say there are frequent NDA breaks over at TW. There is no reason for there to be some sort of TW-PSU feued, yet both sides consistantly egg each other one. It's fucking stupid.

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 04:37 PM

Hey I said on TW, if saying you are in the beta is not breaking NDA (which would be abnormal compared to other MMO Beta's) that I admit I was wrong.

But now he has to come here and try and prove how awesome he is for proving me wrong, when the credit should go to skyler, not this other meathead.

Skyler owned me, not this guy whos name looks like it was made by bashing his head on the keyboard.

Edit: Now if saying you are in beta is against NDA (which it normally is), then I was right, if not, I was wrong, now xpndc or whatever his name is, can go back to TW, and claim how much he rocked me, because apparently in his words I am a 'nobody' which I suppose means, he is a 'somebody'.

And I don't want to be messing with a 'somebody' when I'm a 'nobody'. :rofl:

SonGohan

2003-03-31, 04:37 PM

Though... we all know which side would win in a clash of forums.

Skyler

2003-03-31, 04:39 PM

I hardly owned you. :p

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 04:41 PM

Yea, well I wanted to make sure credit is going where credit is due. That other tool was taking all your hard earned work :p

Hamma

2003-03-31, 04:59 PM

Enough TW vs PSU crap.

TW has helped us out with a variety of things, I am grateful to their admins believe it or not ;)

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 05:01 PM

Yes Vermillion, listen to Unca Hamma.

Subliminal

2003-03-31, 05:09 PM

Hmm its been a while since ive seen a TW poster come over here and say stuff like "PS will be the worst game ever" or "$10 for an MMOFPS is the gayest thing ive heard of, im too stupid to save $10 a month ect ect" I really dont see where the animosity comes from but i kinda think its funny. :lol:

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 05:11 PM

Just keep one thing in mind, I spend equal time on TW as I do PSU (reading and posting).

I hope you get my point. :)

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by Vermillion
Just keep one thing in mind, I spend equal time on TW as I do PSU (reading and posting).

I hope you get my point. :)

All this proves is that they share a common low. :P Vermillion, you remind me of Orby.

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 05:30 PM

Its all that pent up anger of being made fun of because I am a 'member'. :D

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 05:33 PM

y0, and you're a Recruit here.

I'm a Commander baby. VET^2!!!!

Whoracle

2003-03-31, 05:36 PM

gayness extraordinaire.

Whoracle

2003-03-31, 05:37 PM

i guess im a vet 3 by age then maybe?

Vermillion

2003-03-31, 05:52 PM

I mostly posted on PSI, but it seems to be dying, so I kind of shifted over here.

�io

2003-03-31, 05:52 PM

/me remembers now why he doesn't go to TW forums

:lol:

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Subliminal
Hmm its been a while since ive seen a TW poster come over here and say stuff like "PS will be the worst game ever" or "$10 for an MMOFPS is the gayest thing ive heard of, im too stupid to save $10 a month ect ect" I really dont see where the animosity comes from but i kinda think its funny. :lol:

I could really explain the animosity to you in a reasonable and logical fashion, but the illogical, stupid reactions to my post would ultimately not make it time well spent on my part.

Yogi

2003-03-31, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by Hamma
Enough TW vs PSU crap.

TW has helped us out with a variety of things, I am grateful to their admins believe it or not ;)

<3

Whoracle

2003-03-31, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by LogRoller
I could really explain the animosity to you in a reasonable and logical fashion, but the illogical, stupid reactions to my post would ultimately not make it time well spent on my part.

Matuse

2003-03-31, 06:39 PM

Bad enough to waste a 15+ page thread on TW with this, I would cordially like to extend an invitation to all the TW trolls who came here to extend the stupidity on these forums to..

GET THE FUCK OUT

Nobody cares about how much you think TW "roxxors boxxors" or whatever leetspeak nonsense you want to use. Nobody cares how little you think of PSU. Nobody cares how long you've used the name of a lame cartoon character. Nobody cares how long you've been on the internet. Nobody cares about your self-proclaimed ability to own people with your supposedly amazing flames.

Contribute, or go away. Thanks.

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Matuse
Bad enough to waste a 15+ page thread on TW with this, I would cordially like to extend an invitation to all the TW trolls who came here to extend the stupidity on these forums to..

GET THE FUCK OUT

Nobody cares about how much you think TW "roxxors boxxors" or whatever leetspeak nonsense you want to use. Nobody cares how little you think of PSU. Nobody cares how long you've used the name of a lame cartoon character. Nobody cares how long you've been on the internet. Nobody cares about your self-proclaimed ability to own people with your supposedly amazing flames.

Contribute, or go away. Thanks.

Just out of curiosity, what motivates you into thinking that your intended audience holds your opinion in a regard any higher than that in which you hold theirs? It seems to me that all this would serve to do is further encourage the "TW trolls", which ironically counterdicts your purpose in posting this, ergo making it not only worthless as a communicative effort, but also counterproductive at achieving your apparent purpose. I am asking with nothing but the highest levels of respect and courtesy available.

Happy lil Elf

2003-03-31, 06:47 PM

Matuse Wins

Happy lil Elf

2003-03-31, 06:52 PM

Just out of curiosity, what motivates you into thinking that your intended audience holds your opinion in a regard any higher than that in which you hold theirs? It seems to me that all this would serve to do is further encourage the "TW trolls", which ironically counterdicts your purpose in posting this, ergo making it not only worthless as a communicative effort, but also counterproductive at achieving your apparent purpose. I am asking with nothing but the highest levels of respect and courtesy available.

The exact same could be said about any flame by anyone really

/shrug

�io

2003-03-31, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by Hamma
Enough TW vs PSU crap.

TW has helped us out with a variety of things, I am grateful to their admins believe it or not ;)

I never had any problems with TW, i heard their rep but never bothered to care/judge. When a bunch of those asswipes came over to spam their crap here while their sever was down my view changed though. Some of them actually are PSU material (like those who started PSU,Mr. luc and others) but i still prefer to keep far away from them and hope they do the same. :)

P.S.: Whoracle your sig scares me, it looks like that bitch is trying to hump me. :scared: (that from 13 ghosts?)

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 06:56 PM

Krobar

2003-03-31, 06:57 PM

Navaron

2003-03-31, 07:11 PM

"HOW ABOUT A NICE BUCKET OF AIDS??"

Ironically, my method of dealing with trolls also involves a bucket, could we be long lost brethren?

Whoracle

2003-03-31, 07:17 PM

Arthell

2003-03-31, 07:26 PM

If he was going to break the NDA he could have covered up the text/names properly. It wouldnt be that hard to piece together some names.

I also remember reading about something that moniters the game so if need be they can just dig up the chat logs.

�io

2003-03-31, 07:32 PM

Yeah i assume they can trace people with logs. :)

Matuse

2003-03-31, 07:33 PM

And so the wastes of skin speak. It isn't surprising, but there was always hope.

Contribute, or go away. Thanks.

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 07:40 PM

Since, Matuse, my sincere question was left unanswered, and since you referred to me as a "waste of skin" when I have done literally nothing whatsoever to provoke you, I can only hope that you are not representative of the others that comrpise this community, or I dare say that it is indeed comparable in tenor and maturity to Tribalwar.

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 07:41 PM

Matuse, have you contributed yet? ;)

Me either, but I think I'm gonna.

Whoracle

2003-03-31, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Matuse
And so the wastes of skin speak. It isn't surprising, but there was always hope.

Contribute, or go away. Thanks.

recruits :rolleyes:

Civilian

2003-03-31, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by LogRoller
Since, Matuse, my sincere question was left unanswered, and since you referred to me as a "waste of skin" when I have done literally nothing whatsoever to provoke you, I can only hope that you are not representative of the others that comrpise this community, or I dare say that it is indeed comparable in tenor and maturity to Tribalwar.

Well, if it's any consolation I have alot of love for LogRoller. I know the T2 official forum went to hell after you left. :love:

EDIT - Ugh, I need sleep, or to return to third grade for english classes :(

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 08:05 PM

I never really left it. It just lost something, so I don't contribute in the same way. :)

Every forum has its own flavor of sorts. TW is like a hot curry that sends you running full tilt to the poop room if you aren't used to the spice.

I don't know a lot about this community yet. I've been checking the news and all, but sporadically. The TW linkage got me in here. To set the stage for pre-judgement, I don't think PS will be very successful, but I'm certainly open to hearing why people think otherwise. I'll definitely demo the game.

Civilian

2003-03-31, 08:16 PM

Every forum has its own flavor of sorts. TW is like a hot curry that sends you running full tilt to the poop room if you aren't used to the spice.

I take from that, it's best for those of us with a weak stomach to avoid it at all costs. :)

I don't know a lot about this community yet. I've been checking the news and all, but sporadically. The TW linkage got me in here. To set the stage for pre-judgement, I don't think PS will be very successful, but I'm certainly open to hearing why people think otherwise. I'll definitely demo the game.

I'll be honest, up until about 4 or 5 months ago, I rarely followed the game. But I stumbled across the official site one rainy day, and have been hanging around ever since. I think there are features that will drive the normal FPS fans away, but also some that might be a draw for the RPGer. I hope for my sake you are wrong in predicting it's success, because I haven't been this excited about a game since shortly before the release of T1.

Thanks for being a voice of reason Log. :D

OmnipotentKiwi

2003-03-31, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by xpdnc
don't worry folks, i've graciously offered to host any and all beta pictures and reviews, totally anonymously!

you can find me at tribalwar, your home for pissing off people who act like they're 10 years old by telling their mommies when something happens they don't like :)

You're the child. Someone who literally just tries to insult a company and crush their hardwork because some morons want a few moments of fame.

You included.

This game is NOT finished. The stupid TW thread proved why they need a NDA. Comments like "this game looks like ass" is total BS when the game, in its current state, looks far better then those screenshots, not to mention it is possible tons of graphics are placeholders. People like you just have no fucking clue, and give people the wrong impression about the game.

Personally, do what you want. SOE is not a tiny pushover company. They have proven again and again to hose the people who violate the NDA by finding their IP address and banning them.

You may want to read the NDA yourself, I am sure there is something in there for anyone who just has possession of leaked images, let alone those who leak them.

Grow up. Be like everyone else and wait the few weeks for it to come out and quit trying to be the "hero".

No one respects you.
No one will like you more for it.

You're just risking legal action on yourself, so fine, piss a multi-million-dollar company off and see what happens.

Oh, and congratulations, PSU tracks IPs.

[EDIT: This comment is only directed at one member of TW, and I hold no grudge against other TW members. Such posters, and former posters here, like mr_luc and salad (james) respectively do often add something constructive (or in the case of salad humerous until he took it a step too far). I personally hold no grudge against TW, and after reading that 8+ long thread with the leaked shot realized that there is intelligence on those boards, but there is a set of loud people that give it a bad name.]

SonGohan

2003-03-31, 09:56 PM

People are trying to be too smart.

Be dumb. It's so much easier.

AND Wow, I really hit close to home. I managed to twist some guy's panties enough to make him humiliate himself.... and I wasn't even trying!

:furious:

^----You're not allowed to use that.... and Bohica is a guy from TW? Why is he a clan here?

I knew it.

http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/member.php?userid=49

Navaron

2003-03-31, 10:02 PM

Heh,

I guarentee {BOHICA} Clan was around before him. It's fairly common though, I've seen a few variations of it.

mr_luc

2003-03-31, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by LogRoller
To set the stage for pre-judgement, I don't think PS will be very successful, but I'm certainly open to hearing why people think otherwise. I'll definitely demo the game.

I'm going to go out on a limb of my own here:

I predict that from half to two-thirds of Tribes players that got hooked on DAoC will get hooked on PS.

I mean, even games like Shadowbane get their moment in the sun on TW, just because it's such a strong community. Or, fuck, remember WWII Online? There were a bunch that gave that a whirl when it first started, to see what it was like (and I think they all returned it, lol) but unlike SB and WWIIOL and AO, DAoC really stuck around with some Tribers. I think PS is going to do the same, because you never heard a single good thing on TW about DAoC until just about a week after it came out, and then -- BOOM. PS already has quite a few supporters on TW that think it shows a lot of promise, and I am certain that it has WAAAAAY more people that will buy the game and try it for the free period.

Well, that's half the battle for SoE -- if they don't think it sucks they won't return it.

I think that, initially at least, Tribers are going to make up a worth-noticing chunk of the PS playerbase.

Jason

2003-03-31, 10:42 PM

I demand better smiles for my post. :) , :( , :o , and this :rolleyes: are just gay. afex should know better and so should hamma.

OneManArmy

2003-03-31, 10:46 PM

there are a lot more smilies ya know. just hit the get more button... then you don't have to use :o you can use :domotwak:

Jason

2003-03-31, 10:50 PM

not the point. if i want to have an "i suck dick" face, then i'll use :o . and if i want to use "i'll smash your fuck" smilie, i'll use :domotwak: . but you can't expect me to use :o if i really want to go http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif

LogRoller

2003-03-31, 10:53 PM

My major concern, luc, is Dave G. I apologize to anyone who views that as inflammatory, but hear me out for a bit.

After his failure on Tribes 2, I researched the man's career a little, and he falls into this pattern of (1) Community interaction and marketing (2) Release a buggy product that attempts to do too much, and (3) Move on, blaming the publisher for lack of support. That's pretty boiled down, mind you.

On TW, before Tribes 2 came out, there were a few DG haters who were complaining about his contribution to other games, and they were roundly flamed down. I supported DG and stuck up for him quite a bit at the time, so I understand some of the attitude here towards TW's haters. Ironically, there was also a big flame thread about people posting screens from the beta in public. It was, under the NDA, forbidden (as was it to admit that you were even on the beta), and some people tried to get other people kicked off the beta, just as Vermillion is trying to do now. But I digress.

I think that DG is a bad producer. He is a decent marketer, but I would not trust anything he says, nor would I trust any product he produced until I got my hands on a demo of some sort. I'd like to think that he was able to take away some lessons learned from his Tribes 2 experience, but his parting posts on TW were indicative of an egoist who was incapable of accepting responsibility. I'm amazed that Sony gave him a job with a fat signing bonus and all.

Between the potential for a game that has the potential for a catastrpohic release, and the pay to play factor, I think that the game has some challenges ahead. People here have posted a lot of opinions about the details, but the fact remains that the target audience is an intersection of gamers from two traditional and well established markets that tend to have divergent attitudes towards the offering and its business model.

I'm sure I'll change my mind as I continue to learn about this game, but that's my starting position.

OmnipotentKiwi

2003-04-01, 12:07 AM

Even if that is true, there are plenty of other people besides DG involved with the game. Most importantly, he isn't truly in charge.

I know that Smed is above him, for one. Smed definitely seems like a huge PR guy behind the scenes from what I hear through the rumor mill. He likes feedback from players, and takes it often in higher regard then devs, which can be a good and a bad thing.

Also there is plenty of talent below DG as well.

Simply basing the game on one person will just lead to a bad pre-judgement, and like you said, you will probably change your mind later. :)

On a side note. I agree, this game could absolutely fail horribly and meet very little expectations, but it would take a lot to do that.

Also, it can be a great game as well, but it needs to go above and beyond anything we have ever seen before to be equivalent, since it is a pay to play game.

I really won't say much about my opinion, but there is definitely potential.

And to respond to:
Originally posted by SonGohan
and Bohica is a guy from TW? Why is he a clan here?
Considering BOHICA is a fairly well known military accronym, I wouldn't be suprised to find it in lots of gaming locations, especially those related to the military.

LogRoller

2003-04-01, 12:34 AM

If DG is the producer, which I understand he is, he is essentially the project manager of the team. People can be above him and below him, and he could still have the greatest capacity to mess things up.

Producers need to manage resources, set schedules, communicate with the business, develop and implement testing strategies, and control costs. They might have help, but they essentially control the largest aspects of making the game. Historically, he has also heavily impacted game design when given the opportunity - to the detriment of the marketability of the game. This is outside the traditional role of the producer.

I'm not basing my judgement of the game itself on DG - I am pre-judging the game as a saleable product. The output will be a hodge-podge of different designers' and artists' visions - and incidentally, some of the PS design changed to a T2 bent after DG got on the team. That's irrelevant. What's scarier is this: will it work, and will it come out on time?

Since I have little invested in anticipation, I certainly have the time. So then, it just needs to work. If it works, I'll be the first to buy in and try it. We'll see how it goes.

OmnipotentKiwi

2003-04-01, 02:14 AM

I just think that you overestimate the power of a producer under Sony.

All the projects DG has ever been involved in, in comparison to this one, have been extremely small. This game is being created by one of the biggest money forces in American online gaming, and believe DG is being watch and directed like a hawk. I have no doubt, even as producer, that he doesn't have as much control as you say.

There isn't much more I can argue with though yet, it's too early. There is still a stringent NDA in existance for beta testers, and the game is still a month and a half off from its projected release date.

I think we can all agree though, that it will be the best MMOFPS out there, since all it has to do is beat WWIIOL. ;)

Matuse

2003-04-01, 05:56 AM

Since, Matuse, my sincere question was left unanswered,

Your question didn't really deserve much of an answer, but persistance works too, so here we are. Phrasing a "go away" in a calm and collective manner when facing the 5-year-old mentality of dumbshits who post annoying trolls, simply doesn't work. It is regretable that you have to resort to their mentality to get any kind of point across. I didn't honestly expect anything to happen, but if even ONE troll decided it just wasn't worth it, then it was time well spent. As a pure side-issue, I derive immense amusement from seeing morons who think that "******" is the ultimate insult flail about with their pathetic flames.

and since you referred to me as a "waste of skin" when I have done literally nothing whatsoever to provoke you, I can only hope that you are not representative of the others that comrpise this community, or I dare say that it is indeed comparable in tenor and maturity to Tribalwar.

And I could hope that the 5 pages or so of the TW thread that I read before it got repetitive and boring wouldn't be representative of the TW posters, but they came here and proved that wrong. This thread would have died on page 2 if not for the incoming flood of the dumbass brigade, of which you seem to be a member. Don't care to be lumped in with the refuse? Then don't walk with them.

recruits

Idiots...especially ones who think that post count means anything beyond number of posts: :doh: