PS2 to be the PS4's MAG?

[MrVicchio]

Just a thought. Mag wasn't a bad game, it was like PS light IMHO, had some good things, and some bad things to it. I could see Sony porting it over for the PS4, be better if they did it cross platform...

What say you?

[bjorntju1]

Smedley said after the PS4 was announced that they were ''Very excited for the PS4, make of that what you wish''

Also SOE was on the list of developers who where making games for the PS4. I think getting Planetside 2 on the PS4 is a very smart choice for both SOE and SCE. It's smart for SOE because FPS games are very popular on consoles, and since Planetside 2 is F2P people don't have anything holding them back to try it out.

And it is smart for SCE because it is another exclusive game, a good one at that too. Hell, make it a launchtitle, and make it come pre-installed on every PS4 system, and include a small amount of SC and/or some extra weapons and boosts to get players starting.

And it is also good for us players since that only means more people to play it with. But only if the game is cross platform of course, but I don't know if that is smart since a KB+M has an advantage to a controller.

[Mietz]

If its cross platform, expect the rage-quit to be heard across the vastness of space from consoleros.

Seriously, its already inconsistent how this game handles infantry weapons, with a controller you are doomed to fail miserably against M+KBD unless you give them heavy aim-assist and then half the PC pop will call it cheating and quit.
I mean how do you have a competitive e-sports game (as SOE wants it to be) with controller vs MKBD?

I've plugged in my shitty 360-emulator-mouse for CoDMW MP and was immediately accused of being a cheater and a whore. Got me reported for hacking like 10 times on Live. And thats with a sub-par emulation of mouse controls, with horrible lag and smoothing.

[ChipMHazard]

And it is also good for us players since that only means more people to play it with. But only if the game is cross platform of course, but I don't know if that is smart since a KB+M has an advantage to a controller.

Won't happen, you wouldn't be able to play PS2 on the PS4, yeah confusing:p, without using aim assist. I don't see the two mixing sucessfully.
I can see PS2 on the PS4, seeing as it would be able to run it, it would certainly mean more money for SOE if the game ended up being popular.
Of course there are some problems with this. Patching for two different systems, since it's SOE I don't think we would get any time issues with verification periods and thus patch frequency. Taking development time away from the PC version, since they would at the very least have to develop a new UI, controls for the PS4 version. At least it's a x86 system and not like the old cell system, but it will probably still promote the good old console vs pc conflict.

IF they do end up doing it then they really need to be careful as to when they start allocating resources to it, the PC version really does need to be in a much better place.

[Baneblade]

Supposedly you can already play PS2 just fine with a gamepad. It's hearsay though, I certainly am not going to validate it.

[TestyVenom]

Smedley said after the PS4 was announced that they were ''Very excited for the PS4, make of that what you wish''

Also SOE was on the list of developers who where making games for the PS4. I think getting Planetside 2 on the PS4 is a very smart choice for both SOE and SCE. It's smart for SOE because FPS games are very popular on consoles, and since Planetside 2 is F2P people don't have anything holding them back to try it out.

And it is smart for SCE because it is another exclusive game, a good one at that too. Hell, make it a launchtitle, and make it come pre-installed on every PS4 system, and include a small amount of SC and/or some extra weapons and boosts to get players starting.

And it is also good for us players since that only means more people to play it with. But only if the game is cross platform of course, but I don't know if that is smart since a KB+M has an advantage to a controller.

A [business] solution to the KB+M vs controller issue would be to produce a "specialized" PS2 "mouse" and gamepad package for the PS4 that is relatively cheap. Console developers are wanting to make consoles more like PCs, right? They need to start supporting their consoles with accessories that you would see with PCs and give them a practical use in their games without absolutely requiring them in order to get the full experience out of the games.

I'd be happy to see PS2 go cross-platform with the PS4 as long as the PS4 players have the option of using a M+KB in some way and PS2 is not "dumbed down" or adversely affected by the fact that it is cross-platform.

[ChipMHazard]

The game wouldn't be redesigned around a kb+m combo, but the controller. I don't see that many people being willing to purchase cheapist peripherals just to be able to play PS2, a F2P game, also considering what the quality of said peripherals would probably have to be to sell in large enough quantities.

How many people would be willing to buy a keyboard and mouse just to play something that they haven't tried yet, if the game was designed with that in mind.

[Blynd]

It would just be software support for ps4 for m+kbb cause they would be just like PC ones ie usb ports and the ps3 can take a keybord just can't handle a mouse atm (as far as I'm aware but will test it out )

[Pella]

Smedley said after the PS4 was announced that they were ''Very excited for the PS4, make of that what you wish''

Also SOE was on the list of developers who where making games for the PS4. I think getting Planetside 2 on the PS4 is a very smart choice for both SOE and SCE. It's smart for SOE because FPS games are very popular on consoles, and since Planetside 2 is F2P people don't have anything holding them back to try it out.

And it is smart for SCE because it is another exclusive game, a good one at that too. Hell, make it a launchtitle, and make it come pre-installed on every PS4 system, and include a small amount of SC and/or some extra weapons and boosts to get players starting.

And it is also good for us players since that only means more people to play it with. But only if the game is cross platform of course, but I don't know if that is smart since a KB+M has an advantage to a controller.

Yeah something is UP.

And whats stopping the PS4 supporting keyboard and Mouse? Its not even out yet.

[Babyfark McGeez]

Allready said this several times, it will happen.

Not cross-platform though. :p

[Rahabib]

It would just be software support for ps4 for m+kbb cause they would be just like PC ones ie usb ports and the ps3 can take a keybord just can't handle a mouse atm (Thar as I'm aware but will test it out )
Adding m&k is easy even with a PS3. Several games use it: dust514, ut3, and counterstrike go. They just have to enable it. You can use a most and keyboard in the menu.

The real question is cross platform. It's certainly possible: portal 2, but the process for getting patches takes longer on consoles which is why valve killed cross platform for cs:go. its this reason I doubt even Sony won't make it cross platform. Pc players shouldn't worry much.

[ChipMHazard]

Well the time delay on console patches mostly comes down to the certification process that companies have to go through with Sony and/or Microsoft.
It's possible that SOE wouldn't be exempted from that but since SOE is part of Sony, well I could certainly see them not having to go through that. If they also had to go through a certification process then it would certainly be a big reason as to why I wouldn't want PS2 to be ported, since that would probably mean that PC patching would follow the console patching time frame.

[Sifer2]

They wont do cross platform meaning it would only be bad for the PC community as people who don't get good FPS in the game now will probably jump ship to console.

But that's the thing that makes me skeptical a console port of the game is even possible. I mean is the PS4's CPU good enough to handle this game? Maybe if they gave it a much smaller pop cap.

If it is possible then I would fear for the game as then the console version would likely become their focus. We wouldn't see any new features added that the console couldn't handle. Instead of the game growing over the years along with better PC hardware we get to have it to stuck in time like every other console port. Pray they can't port it IMO.

[Tatwi]

Supposedly you can already play PS2 just fine with a gamepad. It's hearsay though, I certainly am not going to validate it.

I tested the old, free version of xpadder with my xbox360 controller in beta and it worked fine. I have not plugged it in since the beta patch that would crash the game if a controler was plugged in though, but I would imagine it still works fine.

[Tatwi]

They wont do cross platform meaning it would only be bad for the PC community as people who don't get good FPS in the game now will probably jump ship to console.

But that's the thing that makes me skeptical a console port of the game is even possible. I mean is the PS4's CPU good enough to handle this game? Maybe if they gave it a much smaller pop cap.

If it is possible then I would fear for the game as then the console version would likely become their focus. We wouldn't see any new features added that the console couldn't handle. Instead of the game growing over the years along with better PC hardware we get to have it to stuck in time like every other console port. Pray they can't port it IMO.
Ps4 is x86, has an 8 core low wattage cpu with an on-die video card and 8GB of GDDR5 RAM. The cpu will function no worse than the core2 Quad that I use to play PS2 and the video card is light years better than the gts450 that I am using, not mention massive and very important improvement in memory latency compared to my 800mhz DDR2 RAM. For instance, I cant use high res textures, simply because my slow ass ddr2 ram cant feed them into the GDDR5 ram on my video card fast enough, but the PS4 will not have that issue at all - system and video ram are the same hardware on it!

SOE has been working on the OpenGL pipeline for the Mac client and you can bet your ass that the PS4 will be running a Unix-like, BSD derived OS with OpenGL. Given that OpenGL works great in Windows and is well supported by both AMD and nVidia, your "worries" are really silly. More than likely SOE will just drop the DirectX version down the road and no one will even notice the difference.

[Shamrock]

Supposedly you can already play PS2 just fine with a gamepad. It's hearsay though, I certainly am not going to validate it.

A friend of mine a total HALO fanboy was playing PS2 with a gamepad, I told him i thought he was nuts, but i guess its what he's comfortable using, so each to their own.

[PoisonTaco]

Let PS4 owners in on the PS2 action (oh that's gonna be confusing). "Hey dude I'm playing PS2 on my PS4 lol" uh what?

More players = more fodder.

[Chewy]

Ah MAG, how I loved you.


If only we could make our own loadouts like in MAG. I fitted both a repair tool and the medic gun into everything I could just to help the team. Even if I had to give up better armor, not use the best gun attachments, or special gear (the F90 was ALL I needed) I would have both tools when defending. Just so I could be an ass to the enemy by repairing the AAA, keeping roadblocks up, or getting our bunkers back so the defenders could make a push with still being able to keep troop at the fronts up and alive.

Still pisses me off how Zipper treated MAG. So many bad maps with horrid choices. Raven got fucked hard with it's maps either having defenders spawns to far to support objectives, their Domination map NOT HAVING ANY ROOFS over it's final objective, giving attackers more cover than defenders, AND putting several objectives closer to attacker spawns. SVER got both maps filled with bottle neck after bottle neck and HUGE dead mans lands all while having far better overlapping fields of fire from their bunker turrets. Valor on the other hand wasn't that bad.

[Hamma]

I hate consoles. That's about all I have to say about that :lol:

[Baneblade]

It should also be noted that there is no reason these console jockeys couldn't use a mouse and keyboard like we do.

[Ghoest9]

PS4 will probably look better with DX11

[MrVicchio]

I understand the problems with m+kb players against controller players, most FPS it would matter, I really don't think with PS2 it would in the end be a big deal.

I'll have a Ps4 at launch, whatever their big bad one is, so I can retire the PS3 to the storage with the Atari and all the other dead consoles while my PS4 fights with the WiiU, Xbox and DVR for space.

However, I doubt I'd ever play PS2 on it. I would like to see an expansion in the player base and this would be an almost tailor made convergence. When my PC was dead, I was forced to play MAG on the PS3, and while run'n'gun was not the fun a PC can bring, it wasn't bad.

This is all about making sure Planetside grows, expands and doesn't fall away. PS4 at launch will have a limited set of games, if and the big if here is IF Sony can port the game, cross platform to the PS4 with little in the way of cost... score. Score all around for all of us.

[camycamera]

if there is a PS2 on the PS4, i hope it is cross-platform, so i can teach those consolefags how to aim.

/joke

[Rahabib]

Mag with the ps move want bad. Not as good as the mouse and keyboard but much better than the controller. Kz3 and resistance 3 were even better.

[Chewy]

The PS3 had no problems with Kb/M. Unreal Tournament 3 had full Kb/M support, Im certain that if devs wanted it they will be able to put Kb/M support in any game on PS4. But that's the problem, devs had to put it in the game first.

People seem to forget that UT3 had full support for not only Kb/M but mods as well. If anything a pad is better than Kb/M for some stuff. Like having a constant and variable input for aircraft control, being able to have near perfect control of your movement, or, or um.. yeah that's about it.

[Arkaiden]

Regarding aim-assist. It really depends on how it's implemented. If it's implemented like in a certain competitor, then you'll never miss. Ever.

However, you could do a tolerance thing where if they get out of that tolerance you lose lock (be it weapon climb or their movement).

[Sturmhardt]

I could see it happen. Also I would hate to see it happen because the game will stay as dumbed down as it is. If it's gonna be a big console game I don't expect much more depth. If they don't implement more depth in the next 6 months I'm outta here.

Also: cross platform gaming will not happen. Like always. Sadly. Because it would be really fun for us.

.sent via phone.

[Dragonskin]

PS2 reminds me of MAG a lot. Pretty much why I got into it to begin with. I miss MAG.. it was great for a short period.

The thing is the game will have to be cross platform... why?

Because we need numbers in our game. If the consoles have a more consistant playerbase to play against then you will probably see a lot of PC players switch to console just so they can have constant action on all maps. The whole kb + m thing is a non-issue since I am sure the PS4 will have usb support for those since more and more MMOs are coming out and even F2P so they will lose market share if they can't get those games on to the console in some way.. look at PS3 it has FreeRealms and DCUO already on it.

The downside to making the game run on PS4 is that computers are already as powerful or better than consoles. So if you make it PS4 compatible then the graphics will probably never improve from what they are now and they will probably have to be more careful about assets loaded into the game down the road. Computers will expand so generally MMOs can add more later as computers evolve.. not the same with consoles. 5-6 years from now the PS4 will have the same hardware it has at launch.