Saying "Good Bye"

[NewSith]

Well, I don't really need to say it, but I will anyway.


The game is raw and unattractive long-term. There was some hope for the six month plan, but it doesn't include enough of the vital solutiuons to make the game better, and now I finally give up. I tried Crysis 3 Multiplayer, and, excuse me, but Crysis 3 CTF (Capture The Relay for that matter) is more fun to play, than PlanetSide 2.

Perhaps my feedback on what I dislike, aswell as the things I like will help in some way:

Dislike:

Solo MBTs
Absent limit for vehicles (Be it unlimited CP, low vehicle prices, bad landscape/building designs, forcing spam, it all contributes)
Unlimited customization
Unlimited CP
Bad base/tower/outpoist designs (too much open space)
Defensible Crown vs Non-defensible pretty much everything (like towers with 1 point inside a tower for defenders to defend and 2 for attackers to take)
Overabundance of capturable territory
Landscape (In its widest meaning - like The Bastion's wall that doesn't makee any strategical sense)
Significant bugs with every patch
Money grabbing by invisible pay to win
Liberators with artillery cannons
Too much flak
Lacking linearity in continent capture
Unzoomable minimap
Lack of desire to fix main problems first (six month plan reference)
Command being a squad/platoon-leader prerogative instead of dedicated people (just for the note - two-man squads also have squad leaders)
As a result of many things, the game doesn't generate different situations all the time. So in short it's zerg zerg zerg.



Like:

Visual Designs (except for camos)
TTK and game pacing
Vivox
Shredder Liberator
Many small things (There're many small things I like, and there's even a saying that it's small things that matter, but I'm afraid it only applies to when the general architecture is more or less complete)



I'm upset to post it, but since this is the place where most people know me, I must say "Good bye and see you no less than year after!" first. (I will still be lurking the forums, so don't forget to post news :) )


To SOE: I hope you spend my bucks wisely.

[maradine]

Vaya con Dios

[Pella]

I am sure you used to make these type of threads on the PS1 Werner forums?

As always im sure you will be back. And if not you will be about the community.

[NewSith]

I am sure you used to make these type of threads on the PS1 Werner forums?

As always im sure you will be back. And if not you will be about the community.

Did it once, stopped playing after that.

[ChipMHazard]

http://www.arcata.com/greenbikes/velo-city/velo-city-Images/9.jpg
Welcome to my boat. Please, do sit down and grab that oar over there. It's a bit crowded here but we'll manage. Now, since we're probably going to be spending a lot of time out on the PSU ocean I just want to mention that... What happens in the boat stays in the boat. Wink wink, nudge nudge. And please no cannibalism until at least seven days out.

[VaderShake]

NewSith, I think a post like this is best for the official forums. To me it's nothing short of someone saying I'm taking my ball and going home......the game will go on without you...Best of luck to you playing whatever you find out there..

[Rolfski]

No need to say goodbye as you will never leave.

[Sledgecrushr]

The game is going to change with continental conquest. I hope you come back when it does.

[sylphaen]

Some of us are out already but still lurking around. Hoping to see you post again in the future.

I come here to read posters like you.
:D

До свидания !

[EVILoHOMER]

I haven't played since December but I agree with a lot of this from back then. Most of them points seems to be why everyone I know has quit too.

Too many games this year anyways, very easy ignore Planetside 2 unlike the barren year of last. I've just finished Ni No Kuni, have Sim City, ArmA 3 Alpha and Tomb Raider to play for the coming month and on top of that Bioshock. I'm sure there is much much more, Dayz SA will take hundreds of hours away once that is released as well.

[bpostal]

No one ever really quits. See you when you get back and with luck (and a whole fuckton of hard work, mostly on SOE's part) it'll be so much more than what you could ever hope for.

[Methonius]

I get why you are quitting, I'm pretty much there with you I only log in to check the daily deals lol. Mainly waiting for more content cause right now I'm bored with the whole check map see fights on Indar only, log out shortly after. To much of the same. Until they get some type of conquest metagame in its going to be Indarside.

[Xaine]

Well, I don't really need to say it, but I will anyway.


The game is raw and unattractive long-term. There was some hope for the six month plan, but it doesn't include enough of the vital solutiuons to make the game better, and now I finally give up. I tried Crysis 3 Multiplayer, and, excuse me, but Crysis 3 CTF (Capture The Relay for that matter) is more fun to play, than PlanetSide 2.

Perhaps my feedback on what I dislike, aswell as the things I like will help in some way:

Dislike:

Solo MBTs
Absent limit for vehicles (Be it unlimited CP, low vehicle prices, bad landscape/building designs, forcing spam, it all contributes)
Unlimited customization
Unlimited CP
Bad base/tower/outpoist designs (too much open space)
Defensible Crown vs Non-defensible pretty much everything (like towers with 1 point inside a tower for defenders to defend and 2 for attackers to take)
Overabundance of capturable territory
Landscape (In its widest meaning - like The Bastion's wall that doesn't makee any strategical sense)
Significant bugs with every patch
Money grabbing by invisible pay to win
Liberators with artillery cannons
Too much flak
Lacking linearity in continent capture
Unzoomable minimap
Lack of desire to fix main problems first (six month plan reference)
Command being a squad/platoon-leader prerogative instead of dedicated people (just for the note - two-man squads also have squad leaders)
As a result of many things, the game doesn't generate different situations all the time. So in short it's zerg zerg zerg.



Like:

Visual Designs (except for camos)
TTK and game pacing
Vivox
Shredder Liberator
Many small things (There're many small things I like, and there's even a saying that it's small things that matter, but I'm afraid it only applies to when the general architecture is more or less complete)



I'm upset to post it, but since this is the place where most people know me, I must say "Good bye and see you no less than year after!" first. (I will still be lurking the forums, so don't forget to post news :) )


To SOE: I hope you spend my bucks wisely.

Just thought i'd quote this again, so maybe Matt will take notice.

Well said, good post.

Planetside 2 could have been a great game.

Funny how all the best parts from PS1 weren't included.

[Illtempered]

We'll see you in a month =p

[Tatwi]

:( It sucks when good people go away. Take care, NewSith!

Ps. Perhaps you'll come back now and then to "shoot doods and blow stuff up", despite the grievances, as I still do? Not entirely sure why I still play some times actually...

[Bags]

roughly the same reasons I quit

but im lurking here once every few days hoping they'll fix it

[Canaris]

roughly the same reasons I quit

but im lurking here once every few days hoping they'll fix it

no you're a qualified stalker ;)

take care NewSith hope to see you back around in the future I also hope see some of those things you mentioned added :wave:

[Graywolves]

:( It sucks when good people go away. Take care, NewSith!

Ps. Perhaps you'll come back now and then to "shoot doods and blow stuff up", despite the grievances, as I still do? Not entirely sure why I still play some times actually...

I just play for my outfit really.

[SturmovikDrakon]

I'd also add overabundance of explosive spam to that list. Your issues mirror my own.

I can understand your dislike for solo MBTs, as they are pretty much the reason as to why there cannot be any proper balance in regards to MBTs vs. infantry (vs. MBTs)

Take care, hopefully after a year SOE might stop being afraid of taking risks (MBTs, MCG, etc,.) and this game might actually be not as shallow

[Hamma]

Don't be a stranger.

[Sturmhardt]

I can relate. If the new continents and continent locking don't change the game dramatically I'm out too.

.sent via phone.

[Dragonskin]

Take a break and maybe you will want to come back. In December leading into January I took about a month break to go back to Guild Wars 2. Burnt out on that again and came back with new energy for Planetside 2. Great thing is with these F2P games is you can leave and come back without paying for a sub.

I know I will get tired of the same old again, but when I do I will play something else for a bit... and since every game lacks the scale of this one. I will be back.

[Mordelicius]

We'll see you in a month =p

^QFT. One would be hard-pressed to find a better pvp than the one in PS2.

[Mietz]

It's funny how the same concerns pop up in every "goodbye" thread yet nobody at SOE seems to be giving a fuck.

There was this one thread around here called "Who has quit?" afaik started by Hamma and the same issues were posted for 9+ pages.

The only difference between people seems to be tolerance on how long they ignore the issues.

[Bags]

^QFT. One would be hard-pressed to find a better pvp than the one in PS2.

planetside 1 says hi

and unless they fix it in a month i doubt you will

look at my sig... haven't played since Dec...

[Koadster]

The game is going to change with continental conquest. I hope you come back when it does.

Not really, Amerish is a ghost town so will be capped and locked, Esamir has some fights but will get capped and locked.. As always Indar will have 90% of the fighting but now we cant goto a different continent and stuck on Indar. Very little is gonna change. On connery Indar still hasnt been capped so the fight will continue over the same bases

[Vashyo]

as usual, I agree with most of those issues the OP mentioned, not with unlimited customization though. I can't see how this is bad.

I consider playing the game frustrating at this point. atm just working hard for certs for virtual unlocking satisfaction and hoping game gets good eventually so I didn't waste my time and money on it.

I think gaming today sucks overall though, mostly cause everything has been done better before or the overall product is just half-assed effort made to appeal to the casual market, who will leave the game anyway when the next game arrives and never come back.


Continent locking wont save the game as it is, it's allready near impossible to capture anything since all your progress is mitigated by the empire you are not attacking and there's just too much land to hold effectively. NO amount of added defendability will save you if you don't have the numbers to repel the enemy. Which you will not have unless you hold 45-50% of the continent population. Also since capturing bases never becomes prohibitive, your loss is inevitable. Only reason you win defense atm, is if the attacker GETS BORED and goes somewhere else.

[Sir B Smythe]

It is repetitive, it can be boring, there seems to be no end game in sight, but its the best there is at the moment, its free to play, I play with my mates who I have been gaming with for a long time not total random fuckwits. Hence I'll stay until something better comes out or PS1 goes to F2P.

[ringring]

You always seemed like one of the good guys (even when you were with Boom and Roamcell - and I hope I haven't confused you with someone else) so I hope to see you around a bit later on.

[BlaxicanX]

Crysis 3's multiplayer is going to be deader than shit 4 months from now, just like Crysis 2's was.

So, good luck with that.

[NewSith]

Crysis 3's multiplayer is going to be deader than shit 4 months from now, just like Crysis 2's was.

So, good luck with that.

True :) But to that moment Marvel Heroes will be released.

[Sledgecrushr]

Not really, Amerish is a ghost town so will be capped and locked, Esamir has some fights but will get capped and locked.. As always Indar will have 90% of the fighting but now we cant goto a different continent and stuck on Indar. Very little is gonna change. On connery Indar still hasnt been capped so the fight will continue over the same bases

With the continental conquest system there should be a very large xp bonus when you cap a continent. This kind of carrot will bleed players away from indar to the other continents looking for a cap bonus.

[HiroshiChugi]

With the continental conquest system there should be a very large xp bonus when you cap a continent. This kind of carrot will bleed players away from indar to the other continents looking for a cap bonus.

I hope so. If not, I don't think I'll be playing Indarsi- oops, I mean, PLANETside 2 for a while. just like I quit APB: Reloaded because of all the hackers and FPS issues.

[Paperboy]

Well, I don't really need to say it, but I will anyway.


The game is raw and unattractive long-term. There was some hope for the six month plan, but it doesn't include enough of the vital solutiuons to make the game better, and now I finally give up. I tried Crysis 3 Multiplayer, and, excuse me, but Crysis 3 CTF (Capture The Relay for that matter) is more fun to play, than PlanetSide 2.

Perhaps my feedback on what I dislike, aswell as the things I like will help in some way:

Dislike:

Solo MBTs
Absent limit for vehicles (Be it unlimited CP, low vehicle prices, bad landscape/building designs, forcing spam, it all contributes)
Unlimited customization
Unlimited CP
Bad base/tower/outpoist designs (too much open space)
Defensible Crown vs Non-defensible pretty much everything (like towers with 1 point inside a tower for defenders to defend and 2 for attackers to take)
Overabundance of capturable territory
Landscape (In its widest meaning - like The Bastion's wall that doesn't makee any strategical sense)
Significant bugs with every patch
Money grabbing by invisible pay to win
Liberators with artillery cannons
Too much flak
Lacking linearity in continent capture
Unzoomable minimap
Lack of desire to fix main problems first (six month plan reference)
Command being a squad/platoon-leader prerogative instead of dedicated people (just for the note - two-man squads also have squad leaders)
As a result of many things, the game doesn't generate different situations all the time. So in short it's zerg zerg zerg.



Like:

Visual Designs (except for camos)
TTK and game pacing
Vivox
Shredder Liberator
Many small things (There're many small things I like, and there's even a saying that it's small things that matter, but I'm afraid it only applies to when the general architecture is more or less complete)



I'm upset to post it, but since this is the place where most people know me, I must say "Good bye and see you no less than year after!" first. (I will still be lurking the forums, so don't forget to post news :) )


To SOE: I hope you spend my bucks wisely.

I can understand completely, I don't know why there are still people playing this game, this has to be one of the worst developed games I have ever played.

Sure we have all that eye candy, but what good is it if there is nothing but frustrations and annoying bugs that are never fixed.

[ChipMHazard]

I can understand completely, I don't know why there are still people playing this game, this has to be one of the worst developed games I have ever played.

Sure we have all that eye candy, but what good is it if there is nothing but frustrations and annoying bugs that are never fixed.

You haven't played that many games then if you really believe that PS2 is one of the worst.:huh:

[Paperboy]

You haven't played that many games then if you really believe that PS2 is one of the worst.:huh:

I've only been playing games for 15+ years now, I'm sorry, but Planetside 2 was definitely the most dissapointing game to me since I looked so much forward to playing it, After playing Planetside 1 for years it is not what I hoped for PS2 to be.

[ChipMHazard]

I've only been playing games for 15+ years now, I'm sorry, but Planetside 2 was definitely the most dissapointing game to me since I looked so much forward to playing it, After playing Planetside 1 for years it is not what I hoped for PS2 to be.

Well I can't blame you for being dissapointed, I'm in the same boat, but there are most certainly worse games out there, from a technical standpoint.
Mindjack, Daikatana, WarZ, Colonial Marines etc.:p

[bpostal]

...After playing Planetside 1 for years it is not what I hoped for PS2 to be.

I can understand that sentiment (and share your disappointment) but much more time is needed for PS2 to design, integrate and tweak the kind of interlocking systems that we had in Planetside.

[Canaris]

I can understand completely, I don't know why there are still people playing this game, this has to be one of the worst developed games I have ever played.

Sure we have all that eye candy, but what good is it if there is nothing but frustrations and annoying bugs that are never fixed.

sorry to join in on the off topic but seriously, PS2 you'd rate as one of the worst, what are you freaking NUTZ! :huh:

If you'd said FPS I might not have jumped on you..... heck that's a lie I would have since there are so many terrible FPSs out there that make PS2 look like a messiah is comparison.

As for worst games ever if you don't have Age of Conan and the like in there at he top then I'm correct in my original assessment, you nutz!

[bpostal]

sorry to join in on the off topic but seriously, PS2 you'd rate as one of the worst, what are you freaking NUTZ! :huh:

If you'd said FPS I might not have jumped on you..... heck that's a lie I would have since there are so many terrible FPSs out there that make PS2 look like a messiah is comparison.

As for worst games ever if you don't have Age of Conan and the like in there at he top then I'm correct in my original assessment, you nutz!

You also forgot Diablo III. Taking a single player game and making it online only is pretty much right up there with EA's baked in micro-transactions in my book.
Shit like that makes me just wanna pirate the damn thing.

[Rivenshield]

Planetside 2 could have been a great game.

Funny how all the best parts from PS1 weren't included.

I shall now unburden myself. I hope this is the correct place to do it.

In the first Planetside, we had (IIRC) a 6-hour cooldown time for swapping empires on the same server, and even then the 4th Empire was a game-deforming problem. Limiting us to one empire per server was one of the things they got right, initially. And there was much rejoicing amongst beta testers and vets alike. You would make a choice, and feel patriotic as heck about it.

Now we can insta-swap from one to the other -- griefing, spying, and turning coat when one empire gets one weapon tweaked so as to be even marginally better than the other. A single day's experimentation is all it takes. Something got nerfed; something else got buffed. Only tiny incremental changes, but enough to make a difference. the word goes out on this forum and across the Internet. And in a single weekend, an empire collapses and all but dies. We've all seen this happen every single time with every single bloody patch.

This is what has happened to the Vanu on Connery, at least. Their decline coincides uncannily with the Magrider nerf. Or was it a buff to the other two MBT's? Makes no difference, objectively. As a Terran who spends most of his time as a ground pounder I can't tell the difference. But enough people can so as to eviscerate a once-worthy foe. Not in capabilities but in numbers.

It saddens and angers me that once again, even the simplest of safeguards that we had more than a decade ago has been cast aside -- not as a result of oversight, but by deliberate policy. We were told over and over in beta that no, LOL, this is the NEW Planetside, the Gal-spawn is here to stay, stop sounding like a bittervet LOL. Until they were forced to put it back in. The months-long screaming about the need for server merges? No LOL, low-pop servers are for 'tactical gameplay'; there are people who like doing nothing but squad-level stuff all day, we're not merging servers LOL. And yet you just did.

This foot-dragging BS needs to stop, stat. Devs, God bless it, you have a rich menu of game mechanics with a decades' worth of proven worth behind them. You have an accompanying menu of pitfalls and ready-tailored solutions.

You want to slow up vehicle spam? Don't craft continents where the terrain artificially restricts movement, giving us a de facto lattice by geography. GIVE US THE OLD PS1 MINES BACK! Give us a dozen or twenty weak mines that we can alter the landscape with, turn the terrain itself into a big area-denial weapon to attrit and slow the onrushing armored horde -- and, every so often, score the odd kill. You want to get these medium-sized zergs kinda-sorta pointed at each other? REMOVE XP for ghost-zerging empty bases -- you don't fight, you don't get the Pavlovian ding!-XP! reward. You want to stop the 4th Empire from sloshing around like the molten goop in a lava lamp? GIVE US A COOLDOWN TIMER.

Planetside 1 came stock with these simple and necessary tools. You refuse to even look at them. Until gameplay creaks and almost breaks due to bad decision-making and you have to purse your lips and backpedal. KNOCK IT OFF. We don't have time for this baloney.

Here endeth the sermon. Oh, and gimme my Spitfire turrets back, you bait-and-switch artists. Pic related.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2vjew5z.jpg

[Soothsayer]

Heya, seeya later, hope you come back sometime.

IIRC you've said some stuff I agreed with in the past (for what it's worth). :)

[QuantumMechanic]

Keep checking in now and then, NewSith.

For myself, I have been on hiatus from Planetside 2 since the beginning of January. Wheather or not I come back is up to SOE.

What is concerning me now (aside from the issues that the game has already), is how post-live development has been going. The game has been live for over 4 months now. In that time, SOE has delivered changes to spawnroom, tunnels and guns guns guns. At this point I cringe whenever I hear that they are adding new guns to the game. That's not a lot to show for 4 months.

I hope to come back after the game has more depth to it, and is a bit more thinking man's game and a bit less twitch game. But I don't know if that will even happen, and if so how many years will I have to wait?

I can't help but compare the vehicle combat to Guns of Icarus Online, which I've been playing a lot lately. That game is all about 4-man vehicle combat. Where your squad of four guys runs around on a ship piloting, being gunners, reparing things, etc. That is fun as hell! SOE went in the exact opposite direction with the single man main battle tanks. What a huge mistake that was, I think.

Anyway, keep checking in. You can still get some of your money's worth out of Forumside 2. I've definitely been playing that much longer than I've been playing Planetside 2.

[Mordelicius]

planetside 1 says hi

and unless they fix it in a month i doubt you will

look at my sig... haven't played since Dec...

I can't comment on PS1 b/c I've never played it.

However if you haven't logged since December 8, it means you missed GU1, GU2 and GU3 and every patch/hotfixes in between (approximately 5-6 gigabytes download). Also, GU4 is slated to arrive next week.

The launch build is quite different from the current version. The fights are getting hotter and hotter with every balancing fixes.

Just had a huge series of fights at Waterson since the server merge with Jaeger. Needless to say everyone is liking it :bouncy: Oh, and since the new spawn rooms, big fights can pretty much erupt anywhere.

Had a long protracted fight between Ti Alloys (TR) and Ceres (NC).
Some standoff at Vanu archives. Then another long siege at Crater firing range where TR was holding with those OP Prowlers completely surrounded by NC.

After NC pushed south, they had a huge airdrop at the Crown to wrest it away from Vanu while we're holding them off at Ti Alloy. It's great! The Vanu got sandwiched at the bridge :lol:

[Eduard Khil]

No one blames you.

[Paperboy]

Well I can't blame you for being dissapointed, I'm in the same boat, but there are most certainly worse games out there, from a technical standpoint.
Mindjack, Daikatana, WarZ, Colonial Marines etc.:p

sorry to join in on the off topic but seriously, PS2 you'd rate as one of the worst, what are you freaking NUTZ! :huh:

If you'd said FPS I might not have jumped on you..... heck that's a lie I would have since there are so many terrible FPSs out there that make PS2 look like a messiah is comparison.

As for worst games ever if you don't have Age of Conan and the like in there at he top then I'm correct in my original assessment, you nutz!

Thanks for the replies, but I just want to clarify:

this has to be one of the worst developed games I have ever played

And by that I mean that I am very picky about games which I want to play.

[bpostal]

...And by that I mean that I am very picky about games which I want to play.

Then all you gotta do is take a break from PS2 for a couple months, come back, check it out and BAM! It'll be better.

It's one of the reasons I like PC gaming over console gaming; patches and the like.

[ChipMHazard]

And by that I mean that I am very picky about games which I want to play.

Hehe fair enough, I can't blame you for being less stupid than myself. I've bought far too many video games before reading up on proper reviews.


It's one of the reasons I like PC gaming over console gaming; patches and the like.

Aye, who ever invented the console patch certification process should be processed into Soylent Green and served to me as breakfast.