News: FNO Recap March 1 VR Training [Archive]

Hamma

2013-03-01, 09:45 PM

Tonights FNO with Luperza and Arclegger covered a bunch of things - here's some of the highlights.

Final recording: http://www.twitch.tv/planetside2/b/372778344

New MAP

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_51316a9c0a54a.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2320)

VR Training Area Notes

Stationary Targets to shoot, MAXs, Infiltrators, Tanks all with the same stats as the game world.
No stats tracked or XP tracked.
Combined Shooting and Flying area, rock formations and bridges.
2KM by 2KM area.
No grief accumulated.
Cannot hurt other players.
Access to all weapons in game.
Cosmetics in the future.
All weapons, vehicle and infantry. Highest rank abilities are equipped.
There is an ATV Race Track
There will be a grid (similar to PS1)
Day Night Cycle in VR
NO enemy terminals/turrets.
ALL attachements for guns.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_513169c94564c.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2316)

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_513169f4b9032.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2317)

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_51316a0149d58.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2318)

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_51316a0f5d2de.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2319)

ChrisLand

2013-03-01, 10:00 PM

NEW DEPLOYMENT SCREEN VIA FNO

EDIT: Damn you hamma...beat me to it...see the OP

DirtyBird

2013-03-01, 10:01 PM

With a few spare certs I might have to try piloting in the VR.

Hamma

2013-03-01, 10:01 PM

Updated OP

Sledgecrushr

2013-03-01, 10:06 PM

This really is an ambitious step forward in keeping new players. I applaud you devs and soe.

Hamma

2013-03-01, 10:08 PM

Updated OP again.

ChipMHazard

2013-03-01, 10:12 PM

One thing that could be interesting later on would perhaps be to allow outfits to have simulated battles with each other to train their members.

Oh and VR won't replace the weapon trial system, in case anyone was wondering.

Hamma

2013-03-01, 10:13 PM

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130301_51316e2a238a6.png (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2321)

Clegg rocking the PSU shirt :P

ChrisLand

2013-03-01, 10:15 PM

Lots of shoutouts to PSU tonight on FNO haha.

The VR training area looks cool. Honestly I'm kinda disappointed that you cannot try out the whole cert tree of items and you can only see the highest level but at least it is something.

ChipMHazard

2013-03-01, 10:19 PM

You will also be able to crash your ESF, so no silly WG physics. This should make for more realistic flight training.

ChipMHazard

2013-03-01, 10:46 PM

Level design with Clegg: Important notes about Hossin. (Besides Clegg being really, really excited about it:D)

More Stronghold like bases.
Canopy that protect you from Liberators.
Tunnels that go outside the bases.
There will be foggy areas.

Hamma

2013-03-01, 10:49 PM

Final recording:

http://www.twitch.tv/planetside2/b/372778344

Xaine

2013-03-01, 10:52 PM

atv race track

Hamma

2013-03-01, 10:52 PM

:lol:

Lonehunter

2013-03-01, 10:57 PM

atv race track

EPIC

bpostal

2013-03-01, 11:13 PM

atv race track

Fuck. Yes.

AnotherBrother

2013-03-01, 11:24 PM

I can't wait for GU4!

Helwyr

2013-03-02, 12:42 AM

VR training area looks like what many of us hoped for and much more. Everything PS1's VR was, but better.

Chewy

2013-03-02, 03:24 AM

Next week is going to be one VERY busy week for me. So many tests to do and videos I can now make without it hurting my gameplay.

I can never understand how people can put up with recording gameplay at all times. The FPS hit can be dealt with but it adds a good amount of input lag and that KILLS me. Im not just talking about being more crap than normal, Im talking about the entire game feeling off to "WTF is wrong with this?" levels. Anyone have a pointer to how I can fix this? Im already using a 2nd HDD that's 100% dedicated to just recording, but can't think of what else to do other than lowing quality to under what I hold a minimum.

Mastachief

2013-03-02, 08:18 AM

What recording software are you using?

Redshift

2013-03-02, 08:40 AM

atv race track

I hope it's huge and has collision turned on :D

camycamera

2013-03-02, 08:54 AM

Omfg this is so good i want it naow

Thunderhawk

2013-03-02, 09:03 AM

Thanks PSU for the summary :)

Koadster

2013-03-02, 09:09 AM

ATV race track.. With max level afterburner and max speed performance.. OHHH YEAHHHH !

Stanis

2013-03-02, 09:50 AM

It's not a proper race track if the enemy can't crash the party.

VR is a very welcome addition

Shamrock

2013-03-02, 10:42 AM

I am totally psyched about Hossin coming up, keep up the good work (keep it as dark and murky as possible).

Yoda ( Papa Vanu ) lives on Dagobah...I mean Hossin; I want to see a Yoda mud hut hidden on the map as an Easter-egg! :D

Adywans Empire Strikes Back Revisited - Luke Meets Yoda For The First Time On Dagobah - YouTube

Good work on the VR a much needed feature.

ringring

2013-03-02, 01:06 PM

It sound like they're doing what I suggested in the beta forums way back, ie include an outpost, a tower and a base in order to allow newer people to work out what to do and where to go.

This is much needed. A few former outcasters have recently given PS2 a 'go' and I don't think they're impressed. The main issues appear to be 1. Confusion, 2. In ability to see enemies and 3. Use of weapons. (NB these people were pretty good players and played a lot of years too)

Currently the new entrant hurdle is too high and the VR will help with all of these issues.

Lastly, I'd just like to point out that there is a fine distinction between this VR and a sanctuary.

Last point - I've been critical about the tunnels that we saw added a few weeks ago. But, in this video there was a hint that they are as they are because of restrictions in Forgelight.

Hamma

2013-03-02, 01:53 PM

I think I'm looking forward to testing out the various ability upgrades more than anything. How Racer 3 compares to what I already have on my Mosquito for example.

Thanks PSU for the summary :)

Anytime!

Chewy

2013-03-02, 05:09 PM

What recording software are you using?

I got FRAPS and record at 30FPS with full-size. The videos come out GREAT and you can't see a damned thing of what Im trying to say. But while recording it adds a few ms to everything I do, just enough to fuck with everything I know about how this mouse Iv used for a few years works. It also gives the world an almost fuzzy look, kinda like changing FPS to fast (locking FPS helps, but not under heavy loads like a PS2 fight, then it tanks hard).

Iv come to live with the fact that I just don't have the rig to record live gameplay. Even though I run PS2 under 80+% Ultra at 60-70 FPS in down time and around the mid/lower 30s in heavy fights, recording live just can't be done for me while keeping up to my seemingly impossible standards.

Im crap as is in competitive games thanks to shit aim and a mouse that likes to change settings. Adding any delay or fuzz would just make it worse.

Takoita

2013-03-02, 05:58 PM

ATV race track is gonna be the fan favourite. Probably no Trackmania material, but still.

Sifer2

2013-03-02, 08:45 PM

VR training looks awesome. Even better than the original games which I didn't expect. Hossin sounds like it will be fun too. Though without continent locks i'm still worried I wont ever get to play there due to Indarside Crown farm sucking up all players. Hopefully Cont lock comes out with Hossin. Now if they could chill out with some of these OP payed weapons my faith would be restored.

Sledgecrushr

2013-03-02, 09:31 PM

I need vr training, my flying is dangerous to everyone.

Luperza

2013-03-04, 06:05 PM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

camycamera

2013-03-04, 06:14 PM

Phantomdestiny

2013-03-04, 06:15 PM

i don't see any screenshots

Stardouser

2013-03-04, 06:26 PM

Is there going to be range markings in the VR area? I suppose in a pinch we could use waypoints.

For testing gun effectiveness, of course and proving who has the most haccurate weapons.

Luperza

2013-03-04, 06:29 PM

i don't see any screenshots

Link should work now! PSUCOM was not allowing me to link to the PS2 Wikia. D: Used Google URL shorten-er to fix it. Lawl.

Phantomdestiny

2013-03-04, 06:54 PM

Link should work now! PSUCOM was not allowing me to link to the PS2 Wikia. D: Used Google URL shorten-er to fix it. Lawl.

key note : so that's what the new flash looks like :)

ChipMHazard

2013-03-04, 07:26 PM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

Yeah, that does look a lot more snazzy. Kinda wish we had some daytime photos *wink wink, nudge nudge. Say no more*:p

Malorn

2013-03-04, 08:08 PM

That's a lot closer to what VR actually looks like! :)

Luperza

2013-03-04, 09:22 PM

key note : so that's what the new flash looks like :)

Ninja'd that in there. ;)

camycamera

2013-03-04, 09:27 PM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

awesome! any news on the exact date of release of the update this week....?

Empra

2013-03-04, 10:49 PM

Wheres the crazy light grid? ;)

This is an awesome addition, I'm stoked for it tbh I need to practice my snipe skills and to test everything extensively is awesome.

Hamma

2013-03-04, 10:52 PM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

Awesome looks great!! :D

Link should work now! PSUCOM was not allowing me to link to the PS2 Wikia. D: Used Google URL shorten-er to fix it. Lawl.

I'm uncertain why this was the case, I don't believe it was for the PS2 wiki specifically though. :lol: I think it's fixed.

Frozenland

2013-03-04, 11:10 PM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

A few words of advice:
There are serious issues with this VR design:
From what I have seen from the screenshots and the description, this is more of a weapon range/testing area. But isnt this supposed to be a "training" area? May be this is not the same as a tutorial, but still, some guidance to the new recruits is extremely necessary. In my opinion, a tutorial is MUCH more important than a weapon testing area. I cant tell how many friends of mine have given up on this game because of its steep learning curve. So, please make Tutorial one of the top priorities instead of adding new stuff to the already weapon-abundant game.

Luperza

2013-03-04, 11:37 PM

A few words of advice:
There are serious issues with this VR design:
From what I have seen from the screenshots and the description, this is more of a weapon range/testing area. But isnt this supposed to be a "training" area? May be this is not the same as a tutorial, but still, some guidance to the new recruits is extremely necessary. In my opinion, a tutorial is MUCH more important than a weapon testing area. I cant tell how many friends of mine have given up on this game because of its steep learning curve. So, please make Tutorial one of the top priorities instead of adding new stuff to the already weapon-abundant game.

Tutorial is the next stage. It's coming, but this area was necessary for the tutorial to make its debut. :)

OCNSethy

2013-03-04, 11:55 PM

I read "training" as learning to do something, Like learning how to aim and shoot effectively with new weapons and scopes. Like learning to assault a tower as a team and shoot a target in a moving tank.

I see this area as a boon to not only newbies but old hands as well.

Nice to see a tutorial is in the pipe. THAT will really help the newbies.

o Solei o

2013-03-05, 01:51 AM

Screenshots here as promised on PS2FNO (http://goo.gl/wFtxQ)

Oooh, missed the rumbleseat the first time. Glad it's nice and visible! Want to make sure people see what I'm honking about when I roll up next to them.

Also kinda surprised that it's face backwards. Eliminates all those intimate "manhug" moments on 2 seater quads in other games like Arma. ;)

Guessing it replaces Turbo though? :(

MrKwatz

2013-03-05, 02:13 AM

Oooh, missed the rumbleseat the first time. Glad it's nice and visible! Want to make sure people see what I'm honking about when I roll up next to them.

Also kinda surprised that it's face backwards. Eliminates all those intimate "manhug" moments on 2 seater quads in other games like Arma. ;)

Guessing it replaces Turbo though? :(

It is not a cert/ability, it is now a base feature, per Higby. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/19hyax/gu04_update/c8o88pe)

Koadster

2013-03-05, 03:49 AM

Thanks for the VR update, looks awesome! For people confused about what the VR room actaully is go look at the PS1 VR room, I think some people are taking 'training room' to literal in the tutorial sense, Its a practicing room.

Also with how the photo was taken on the flash directly behind the VS character all I could think was...
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/293/8/5/stupid_sexy_vanu_by_peopleofunitedstates-d5ifbbm.png

Stupid Sexy Vanu

Babyfark McGeez

2013-03-05, 04:26 AM

Nice. The new map/deploy screen looks allready much better with just that one pic i saw. :J
And the VR looks like like a good groundwork for a proper new player introduction (Will it have a drill sergeant? There has to be one barking at new players!).

Two questions though (because these two things really annoy me in the map/deployment area):

- Will we be able to use keys to switch loadouts? Because i still saw these awful pull-down menues there...i want to run to a terminal, push "1" "2" "3" etc. and go, not fiddling with tiny pulldowns.

- Will we be able to set waypoints while being dead/in deployment? Often you notice a "better way" when being dead, or you want to mark the area you died in. Both is currently not possible, but should be.

camycamera

2013-03-05, 06:57 AM

It is not a cert/ability, it is now a base feature, per Higby. (http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/19hyax/gu04_update/c8o88pe)

oh cool! :D

HiroshiChugi

2013-03-05, 08:33 AM

Amazingness.... I can NOT wait to try this shtuff outenze!No doubt, this will keep bringing in new players and keep the other ones. In fact, this may just be what I need to come back to Planetside 2 :)

Assist

2013-03-05, 02:54 PM

Ninja'd that in there. ;)

It has a passenger seat? ;O

VaderShake

2013-03-05, 03:51 PM

Nice to have VR at last...

Hamma

2013-03-05, 05:11 PM

It has a passenger seat? ;O

Indeed

MrBloodworth

2013-03-05, 05:13 PM

Side car WOULD have been supper bad ass.

This is great too. But now a flash caries the same as a MBT, and at some point we will get buggies that....do what?

Takoita

2013-03-05, 05:52 PM

Well, the boss sidecar with vulcan can always be included as an option at a later date...

VGCS

2013-03-05, 06:48 PM

DirtyBird

2013-03-05, 07:44 PM

It's a good first step I suppose...

But it really doesn't do anything Tutorial-wise to prepare players for just how porous bases are and thus how undisciplined & luck base the positioning in this game really is. What little habits exist for minimizing those issues, can't be learned/refined in this "training" area rendering it somewhat moot IMO.

Its a step towards a tutorial for new players, its not the tutorial.
There is a tower in the VR for new players to familiarise themselves with.
Surely you don't expect every base layout to be in there do you?

And as an old player I'm looking forward to getting in there myself.

ThatGoatGuy

2013-03-06, 12:14 PM

Let's get rrrrrrreaaddddyy to ruuuummbbllle!!!

VGCS

2013-03-06, 07:25 PM

Its a step towards a tutorial for new players, its not the tutorial.
There is a tower in the VR for new players to familiarise themselves with.
Surely you don't expect every base layout to be in there do you?

And as an old player I'm looking forward to getting in there myself.

Well yeah and Lup just answered this as well...

I look forward to fully testing their Tutorial (& probably critiqueing it) once they do get it made. It's definitely one of those Make-or-Break deals for all their arguments on whether they succeeded with a friendly Meta or not.... as per an Episode of Extra Credits I linked to last month that directly inversely equated Tutorial complexity with the Depth of the game itself.