Squad Beacon March 2nd Recording

[Hamma]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/news-squad-beacon-march-2nd-recording-2969.htm

AGN PlanetSide 2 Squad Beacon: March 2nd 2013 Meta Game and More! - YouTube

Enjoy! It was a great broadcast. Click through to the full video for shortcuts to the discussions in the description.

[ChipMHazard]

Word of warning: If you are a bailer then viewer discretion is adviced. Hamma's wife is not amused:p

[Hamma]

:lol:

[Micro]

Word of warning: If you are a bailer then viewer discretion is adviced. Hamma's wife is not amused:p

:p

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[SternLX]

Not only am I a bailer, I am a Decon'er. XP denied. nyaaaa! :p

[ThePackage]

You need to get some people on there who have never played PS1. It would offer a better dichotomy to the conversation.

Being someone who has never played the original I find all the talk about PS1 a little counter productive.

[Hamma]

That's harder to do than one would think. We had some on the show last time around just before release.

It is true though, PS1 solved many of the problems we see now many years ago. :)

[Chewy]

You need to get some people on there who have never played PS1. It would offer a better dichotomy to the conversation.

Being someone who has never played the original I find all the talk about PS1 a little counter productive.

I never played PS and the only things I do know about it is the 5-10 videos of gameplay I watched. Hardly found a video review on that game last I looked.

With saying that a LOT of what Iv been thinking of is and has been in PS. That game has had 10 years of tuning and patches to make it into what people know it as now. 10 years is a long ass time, in 10 years Id bet just about every single thought that we are having know (as both new and vet players) have been thought during those 10 years. Few games even see 5 years before it is left to die. Hell, in this gen games can't last a few months before the devs give up. Some not even a week if lucky.

I will agree that newer players should be in the show just to give other points of view. But as Hamma said that is kinda hard to do. Not only do those people need to know what the hell they are talking about, but at the same time give enough shits about the game to care after a year or 3.

To be honest, getting a bunch of outfit leaders isn't that bad of an idea. They should be the ones to know the game bast as they are the ones giving our orders. Getting a group of leaders together for a talk shouldn't be that bad of a watch, even if they happen to be vets.

[Hamma]

It's just hard to get new players to get interested in this sort of thing is all.

[Rolfski]

Not really a balanced panel, that's unfortunate. At times I got the feeling I was watching a PS1 insider show. There must be sure outfit leaders out there who are new to the game.

[Pella]

Great show. But dam it dragged on. Need to shorten these things to like an hour perhaps :)

And most of the topics have been talked about over and over. I'm sick of hearing opinions from players such as levelcap. Who quite frankly bore's the hell out of me with his gameplay experience that he cant solo......

The game is perfect for any solo player. And i would argue the facts why. Until his ears bleed.

I hope the next one talks about how much fun or what outfits are doing in the current state. Not people opinions on what they want from the game we have the forums for that.

[Hamma]

An hour isn't enough time.

This is the reason for the shortcuts in the bottom of the video so you can jump to the discussion's you want to see. We kept the same viewer amount just about the entire time - so "Dragging on" is a matter of personal opinion. People stuck around right until the end :)

Not really a balanced panel, that's unfortunate. At times I got the feeling I was watching a PS1 insider show. There must be sure outfit leaders out there who are new to the game.

I'm sure there are, but if they don't volunteer we don't know they exist.

[Pella]

An hour isn't enough time.

This is the reason for the shortcuts in the bottom of the video so you can jump to the discussion's you want to see. We kept the same viewer amount just about the entire time - so "Dragging on" is a matter of personal opinion. People stuck around right until the end :)



I'm sure there are, but if they don't volunteer we don't know they exist.


Good point Hamma, I'm EU time so i opt for the YT upload. Which is great quality i have to say.

[Pella]

double post

[MrBloodworth]

Watched it.

People need to STOP using Casual. LevlCap is not, nor will ever be a casual player. He is a soloist. Big difference.

[Hamma]

It was great having LevelCap on he has a unique perspective on the game I think. I definitely would not term him as casual though.

And thanks Pella, honestly the new YouTube layout makes it hard to see the entire description.

[MrBloodworth]

I have no ill will to LevelCap, other than he tends to project his concerns as if he is a "Casual Player". Which is not even in the galaxy of true.

I'm not sure if its because, with good reason, the opinions of a soloist do not really jive in a team focused game.

The Game is already Casual friendly, many more times over than the original, or even other games in its genre. However, unlike many session based FPS, you are not a hero, you are not Rambo. You are a solider that's part of a team, that TEAM is the hero. That's the part he has a problem with.

[ChipMHazard]

People stuck around right until the end :)

Indeed we did and bloody late it was when my head finally hit my keyboard. Personally I don't mind staying up for the chat alone, something that we sadly won't get from a youtube recording.
Hopefully the devs will continue to be this active on AGN.

[Hamma]

Aye was great to have them around! Perhaps we will do a 2PM Central show next time.

[ChipMHazard]

Depends on whether or not it would fit them, and the panel, really, if you guys can get them to join in. While it would be nice to have something earlier I would rather have it be later and better, with dev activity.

[robocpf1]

Not really a balanced panel, that's unfortunate. At times I got the feeling I was watching a PS1 insider show. There must be sure outfit leaders out there who are new to the game.

People suggest features they've seen used successfully in games they've played before. Many successful outfit leaders came from PS1 and have years of experience there. We had several such outfit leaders on the AGN this time.

I'd think that even if you had an outfit leader that made his/her outfit shine solely in PS2, never having played PS1, that player would still suggest features from other games he/she has played, whether that's Battlefield, Call of Duty, Quake, Unreal Tournament, or a anything else. Such is experience. If we see something that we think might work, we'll call it out. Anyone is going to do this.

So you're going to have a few things pop up:

1) Suggestion from PS1

2) Suggestion from any other FPS (or in some cases other genres) on the market

3) Suggestion from a player that hasn't played any other FPS but then therefore doesn't know if what he's suggesting is already in another game

4) Suggestion from a player that has extended FPS experience from several games including PS1/PS2 and makes what he thinks/hopes is an original suggestion (but may end up not being one). Or, that player, having played different FPSes, makes a knowledgeable suggestion to implement a feature he/she has seen in one of the other FPSes he/she has experience with. Back to square one.

[Chinchy]

I have no ill will to LevelCap, other than he tends to project his concerns as if he is a "Casual Player". Which is not even in the galaxy of true.

I'm not sure if its because, with good reason, the opinions of a soloist do not really jive in a team focused game.

The Game is already Casual friendly, many more times over than the original, or even other games in its genre. However, unlike many session based FPS, you are not a hero, you are not Rambo. You are a solider that's part of a team, that TEAM is the hero. That's the part he has a problem with.

I beg to differ, most of the time I am the hero always in the right place at the right time throwing my res grenade to save the day or killing multiple enemies to hold on to the point just long enough to flip it before dying, that being said its never just me I can always count on the rest of BWC to back me up or pick up were I fell short.

[MrBloodworth]

I beg to differ, most of the time I am the hero always in the right place at the right time throwing my res grenade to save the day or killing multiple enemies to hold on to the point just long enough to flip it before dying, that being said its never just me I can always count on the rest of BWC to back me up or pick up were I fell short.

You don't differ. :)

[Haro]

I do think there is a lot of good ideas to come from [REDACTED]side 1 (kidding, Hamma) but I also think that people don't give enough credit to the devs and all the great work that's gone into this game. Not that people don't appreciate it, I think that we just get caught up in criticism and improving the game (which is good) but we don't sit back and look at the huge improvements that have gone on.

For example, I don't think there is much doubt that in terms of fundamental combat and broader appeal, PS 2 has really shined, and when the rough edges get smoothed down (regrettably its taken this long to get to that point) I think it will succeed in ways that the original couldn't aspire to. And I'll admit, the game has long term issues and needs more depth, but I think it's easier to add these onto a game with a sturdy foundation, rather than having a deep but shaky game from the start, which is how I sometimes felt about Planetside.

[Roy Awesome]

As for reducing the length, perhaps we can have the show multiple times a month, rather than every few months. There was just a ton to talk about, that if we split it into multiple weeks we can actually have a short and sweet show.

I don't know if you watch JoinDota's TalkDota or jp's State of the Game, but they do similar things (talk weekly, keep it to recent news and the like).

[Luperza]

Was a good show. :)

[Helwyr]

ricoxg's comments on the class system of everybody having access to everything was spot on.

So was LCs on Infantry cover, although on that front it looks like positive changes are slowly coming into the game. Canopy! :D

[Rolfski]

I'd think that even if you had an outfit leader that made his/her outfit shine solely in PS2, never having played PS1, that player would still suggest features from other games he/she has played, whether that's Battlefield, Call of Duty, Quake, Unreal Tournament, or a anything else.

Can't argue with that but if you see the show dominated with examples/references from only one game, PS1, it becomes less easier to follow for the other people and more of an insider show.
That's also what I liked about LevelCap being part of this show. Although I don't always agree with his ideas, he brings in a different perspective and like him, I'm actually very curious about the solo/non-outfit percentage of the actual player base.

As for other suggestions for improvement, better preparation of the participants on the discussion topics would be nice. If you know that the road map will be a talking subject, it almost feels like an insult to the viewers if you didn't bother taking a recent look at it in preparation for the discussion.

[Hamma]

Most of the topics were available well ahead of time.

[Tatwi]

Was a good show. :)

^this^

Great chemistry and comedy between the panelists made this really enjoyable to watch.

[SeanNewBoy]

If they do have esports in ps2, it should definitely be large scale, a seperate continent.

Solo does not equal casual.

I hereby swear that i do not bail, so help me Vanu. <-- T-shirt idea, No bailers in a not circle.

[Tatwi]

I bail when I am being cheesed, but most of the time I just slam into something with 0 frames per second long before being shot at lol... Incidentally, I am open to donations of computer parts better than my core2 2.3ghz/gts450 1gb gddr5/8gb ddr2 system. ;) Seriously though, bailing is annoying, but so is lockonside. Fighter agianst fighter, I'll only bail if the other person resorts stopping in mid air and turreting - damn that mechanic lame, stupid, and defeats the purpose of flight mechanics...

I agree with the NC guy that e-sports in ps2 would be great as a recorded and edited series based on actual game play, much like a trailer combined with sports commentary. Add in some humorus stuff, like the Red vs. Blue series, Command Center, and some cartoon shorts, and you've got a really enjoyable media product about an online game that people can actually take part in!

Making arena matches, as LC pointed out, utterly fails at setting PS2 apart from all the other similar games, while also having nothing to do with the actual game itself. Smed had the e-sports idea right when he said it would be more like reality TV, because that lets PS2 be enjoyed for what is.

[Hyncharas]

I stalwartly agree that pilots of aircraft should not be able to bail at all; if not that, at least make it so that where any aircraft is at 50% health or lower, their pilots cannot bail or suicide (unless they fully repair them) as a trade-off.

If other players cannot kill anyone because the enemy are too fickle to ever die when piloting an aircraft, those people shouldn't be allowed to use them.