It's not fun to be VS on Waterson.

[Assist]

Straight up, not fun. We either fight on Indar accomplishing nothing, ghost cap Amerish, or get steam rolled on Esamir. The highest pop we've had on Esamir/Amerish this week is 28%.
We don't get the choice to fight on Amerish or Esamir but maybe once a week, because for whatever reason all the bads in the game run to Indar. We don't have high enough world population to ever have more than one continent capped population.
I've played a lot the past few days and it's really been awful. We have no choice but Indar, because you cannot convince scrubs to leave Indar. Anyone have a good way to solve this?

Personally, we need a big zergfit to join VS on Waterson. It would help the server a ton because right now the VS are only on Indar and it's fucking awful for all sides because of it.

[basti]

You need a fix?


Form an alliance. Get a website + TS3 going, get other Outfits on board of your alliance, coordinate between each other, roll to Esamir and Amerish togeter, have a fun time.

[Assist]

You need a fix?


Form an alliance. Get a website + TS3 going, get other Outfits on board of your alliance, coordinate between each other, roll to Esamir and Amerish togeter, have a fun time.

We have a rather large alliance on our server, the VA - Vanu Alliance! They work together very well too, the problem is when they're not on doing ops we're just horribly outnumbered.

Even with them we're outnumbered, we're still not ever about 28% World pop. Usually we're around 25%

edit: And don't get me wrong, there's plenty of good outfits on VS Waterson and plenty of them try. Today for instance a few of us tried to get people on Amerish - We managed 11% pop! Then we tried to get on Esamir, and we're up to 26%. TR owns the continent, has the highest pop on the continent, and NC is camping our Warpgate with platoons in all three zones boarding the warpgate while TR pushes to the NC warpgate. This is nothing new unfortunately, for whatever reason the NC/TR on Waterson don't allow us to ever get started on Esamir or Amerish.

Currently we're at 24% World Pop for VS. On a Saturday night at primetime for the server.

[Falcon_br]

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.
Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.
The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.
Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.

[Rumblepit]

vs pop dropped alot after the magrider nerf and never really recovered . vs have it rough on alot of servers.

[Assist]

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.
Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.
The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.
Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.

The truth is the VS are horribly outnumbered by both the TR and NC zerg. That's the only truth there is. There is no skill question anywhere involved. VS simply have no chance at all with the current population situation on Waterson. It has nothing to do with Jaeger, as it was like this before the merge. The VS owned Indar for the first 2 months of the game on Waterson because the NC had the same population as us and the TR were ~44% nightly. Now the NC are as much if not more than the TR, while the VS has continued to lose population.

The truth is, players do not want to play VS because there is nothing we are good at compared to the other two factions. That's the truth.
Waterson is going to get worse before it gets better too, because people are beginning to talk about moving their outfits to another server. It's very easy to switch servers and still play the same faction right now, all you lose is your certs.

I'm a player that generally enjoys being the underdog on the server, I always have in games I play. But we're not the underdog right now, because the underdog usually has a chance. We have no chance with the way this game is setup.

I get that some of you think I'm overstating the situation, but I'd like you to come play VS on Waterson and attempt to play on another continent for a bit. The best we can manage is to get a bio farm going.

[Artimus]

Shit, you guys are still doing better then the NC.just logged off and we had second highest pop next to the tr and we basically got kicked off indar courtesy of the VS and were struggling to cap esamier.

[EvilNinjadude]

Simply put: TR has a ton of outfits, NC has a ton of outfits (including frickin' DVS) and the Vanu have... some parts of small outfits. I've never had a death streak from VS in the same outfit.

Esamir is being held most often by TR, because we like the vehicle bonus. It's my favorite continent. If you see me around our WG defending our zones, right down to Jaeger's Crossing, feel free to shoot me if you're not TR! Chances are my PC has lagged out to one degree or another.

[Kerrec]

Dunno, last few ops, I've had to wait in the queue to get onto esamir/amerish and the continents were even at 33/33/32. I thought things were getting better for the VS?

Maybe we play at different times...

[Ghoest9]

The VS owned Indar for the first 2 months of the game on Waterson because the NC had the same population as us and the TR were ~44% nightly. Now the NC are as much if not more than the TR, while the VS has continued to lose population.

The truth is, players do not want to play VS because there is nothing we are good at compared to the other two factions. That's the truth.
Waterson is going to get worse before it gets better too, because people are beginning to talk about moving their outfits to another server. It's very easy to switch servers and still play the same faction right now, all you lose is your certs.

.


Back when you had the good warp gate and NC had the bad one, and NC was getting bit by the flinch code - all I heard from VS brargs about how awesome they were.

So I feel NO sympathy for you.


That said the reason you have bad numbers now and NC has good numbers is simple.

Now that the playing field is even - American boys dont want to wear purple but they love "Merica Fuck Ya."
Just like PS1

[EvilNinjadude]

Yeah, yesterday was the first time I saw a queue for Esamir.

But I don't like massive fights. My PC sucks too much for me to be able to handle them. What I AM good at is attacking and defending in small groups. SMGfiltrator and tactics ftw.

Also, I find the accusation that not enough people play VS to be ridiculous. If it weren't for statistics, I'd say the opposite is true. What's the average VS pop look like for different servers?

[Jaybonaut]

vs pop dropped alot after the magrider nerf and never really recovered . vs have it rough on alot of servers.

This, although it has nothing to do with the Mag.

When the Genudine/Helios merge happened, it changed nothing. Genudine had a massive NC imbalance - one outfit alone (ADK) has over 2600 members, and then at night the odd Chinese outfit comes on who are also NC (3KDC) who boost a lot according to the stats here on PSU.

[Illtempered]

Assist, I agree with almost everything you say, save the part about it not being fun. We're still having a blast, especially during the times when we're working with other commanders, like yourself, or the VA. We just need to find a niche, a home, *cough* Amerish, to call our own. Then we need to defend it. When we owned Indar, we had a focused purpose. That's all we lack, and tbth it will all fall into place. We, as an empire, have just been lazy. There are a lot of good teamplayers on Waterson VS, more per-capita than most servers.

[Bear]

Personally, I'm really sick of fighting DVS and DREV. I'd love the opportunity to fight some VS. IR isn't a zerg outfit, we're just a bunch of guys looking for a good fight but sometimes I wish we were another faction because of the stupid amount of TR and NC that exist on Waterson.

Honestly, I'm thinking another server merge might be necessary.

[Whiteagle]

This is nothing new unfortunately, for whatever reason the NC/TR on Waterson don't allow us to ever get started on Esamir or Amerish.
Hey it isn't our fault that we got the Wedged Gate on both Continents!
We TR just want to keep our damn bonuses, but the NC Zergs constantly have us on the back foot.
The only time I ever see Vanu on Esamir is when they are working parallel to the NC to gate lock us and screw us over.

The truth is they merged the most bad ass motherf... TR players from Jaeger with those ones from Waterson.
In jaeger every weekend we conquered the 3 continents for fun, the Vanu normally ghost capped it back on Mondays, we just keeped Indar.
NC was a silly joke with no continents at all.
Welcome to Waterson, home of the Blue Hoard known as the DVS...

Believe me, the biggest population were from VS, just after February the TR started getting more population because the other ones gave up playing on Jaeger.

With the merge, we can no longer capture Indar, we got several outfits that don't give shit on Esamir and keep playing on Amerish, this last week I fought non stop to hold alone the Esamir bonus to TR, and TR high command keep calling more and more men to amerish.
To be fair, this is probably more a sign of the VA's skill, since they've always been a bit low end of world population even before the merge...

They might not have the numbers to steam roll but damn they make use of what they got.

Waterson TR Command Chat, on the other hand, is 1/2 to 2/3 full of idiots who don't know any other tactic besides "THROW MOAR MEN AT IT!"
...That's if they aren't trolls telling everyone to go to the Crown...

Really certing into Command Chat is just a headache waiting to happen, so most competent field commanders just stick with their our Outfits.

...Probably why the top of our Server's Outfit Leader-board is filled with two-squad jobs.

The truth is, now the NC got the biggest population and Zerg, Esamir steam rolling is constant, so we must hold them on Bio Labs, fighting the NC on Bio labs is not fun.
Yeah, I just check the Outfit Leader-board for Waterson and it isn't even funny...

Biggest Outfits for both the TR and VS have around 1000 members each...

The DVS ALONE has just about twice that, then next biggest is also an NC Outfit and has 1400+...

This is especially hilarious when they call us TR out on our "Celebrity Zergfits," Glorious Leader Total Cynical British Halibit Biscut's first Outfit, Let the Brit Drop, has only 170-ish members.

My own Angry Joe Army is probably the biggest I know of with 300+, and a third of that are Angry Joe fanboys who haven't logged on since Christmas.

As for the Bio Labs?
Yeah, that's the DVS for you...
...Fuckers sat on the Campest Grinds for weeks just so they could get entire PLATOONS of Duel ScatterMAXes to rush points with...

The VS most have a truce with the NC, because they are allways pushing west on Esamir, while they could easily capture south, at least killing VS on Mani Bio Lab is fun.
Well this is probably less an actual truce as it is a symptom of Battlefield Momentum...
Right now, the easiest order the DVS can give is "Push North," as they hold a Southern Gate on all three Continents.
It's actually quite brilliant in its cat herding simplicity; since the Zerg will flow around any point of resistance, once they clash with their TR counterpart on Esamir they'll naturally flow Eastward to cut off any VS pushes South.
This also ties up the majority of TR in stonewalling our Southern Front, which leaves us vulnerable to VS incursion from the East.
Not only is it a strong move for the Vanu to make Offensively, Defensively they need to send their Zerg Southwest to stem the oncoming blue tide to have any hope of pushing South.

It's even simpler on Amerish, going straight up the middle is the path of least resistance for the Southern Gate, the Central Mountain providing not only a strong position to defend from but also a foothold to latitudinally push from to cut off any Fronts advancing along the shores.

Also the VS got Indar in 12 hours after the last rotation, one thing the NC could not accomplish in more them one month! VS is smaller them the NC, but can metagame much better them the other 2 factions.
Again, that's the Vanu Alliance, also know as GOD DAMN I WISH WE HAD YOUR COORDINATION!!!

[Baneblade]

VS pop dropped almost almost 25% on average since the 'Mag nerf'. Before that it was constantly 35% or close to it.

[Falcon_br]

Yeah, last night I run with my outfit a 7 hours campaing on amerish to conquer it, from the warp gate alone to total conquest, since we already have esamir and people where throwing a party on eisa tech plant to hold the NC.
The VS was with 26% of the population, and I checked it because if this thread.
They got most of Indar with 34% of the pop, TR was near the gate.
They got half of Esamir also with 35% of the pop.
They abandon Amerish with only 4% of the pop.
So, you had the most pop in 2 of the 3 continents, you just had to abandon one of them!

Also, the 4% pop of Amerish where a squad of 8 scythes, shooting down every liberator we took out of the warpgate, and they where also defending/ressuply in the ascend.
I ask myself, the VS where attacking TR warpgate with NO TERRITORY on amerish.
Those where big lame bad manner pilot squad I even saw, they fly for frags only.

Also I found the biggest Liberator Gunner I ever met, he is:
http://www.planetside-universe.com/character-5428010618040755185.php

[Badjuju]

Yea VS typically has 26%-28% world pop at any given time on Waterson, and are hurting on most other servers as well.

Here is the problem with getting new players to Join VS.

- Many players typically naturally go for either the good guys or bad guys. TR come off as the bad guys, the NC come off as the good guys, the VS are... i dont know, they are just purple and like science. (I would call them the true good guys personally.)

-If no predisposition there, they may go off of looks. Blue, yellow, eagles, and stars! I can dig it, looks like freedom. Red and black, yea ill look like a bad ass. Or, wow that is allot of purple and space Jesus is on a funny shaped cross.

-Many members of the FPS crowd like more modern warfare styles and military associations. TR are the most militaristic faction. The NC look the most like our modern military once camoed up, and they have an M1 Abram tank. The VS fight in yoga pants.

-Shooting ordnance vs pew pew lasers. So again, modern vs sci-fi. Ill admit shooting the prowler feels awesome while the mag just dosn't feel powerful. Thank god the Lancer got some gruff in its voice!

-Overall the NC and TR just look more bad ass than the VS right now from my perspective. Better armor designs and no fins on their helmets. Particularly if you look at the sci-fi helmets coming out. The VS helmet looks great and all, brings back some PS1 nostalgia, but it isn't going to win over any new comers when held next to the other two. Many don't like open faced helms either.

VS had the same population issues in PS1, which is why I joined the VS then. Many people however chose the faction which they think looks the most attractive, feels the most powerful, or wins the most (has the biggest pop already). I would say the VS is loosing in all these departments. Some of it is unavoidable such as the modern vs sci fie crowds but they could still get some help.

Server mergers probably wont help as very few servers have a VS pop larger than TR and NC. Incentives such as 1500 free certs or 50% xp/cert gain for a month when joining a faction which has had prolonged pop problems on a given server may help.

I personally think they could use some help in the aesthetics department. Use more silver like in Alpha pictures. Create more edgier, darker, alien, designs like the max concept. More armor less spandex. Less visors and more full helmets. They just need much more "baddasification" as aesthetics go a surprisingly long way when people choose a faction in an MMO. You simply don't feel like a bad ass when your fellow soldiers show up to fight in PJ's, Yoga Pants, and bike helmets.

Multiple characters on one server and the 4th faction dosn't help but they pretty much had no choice due to server transfers.

[shamE]

I'm not a fan of watersons current state either. You have the NC zerg consisting of DVS's awful players and their handful of hackers then VS who, on a good day have barely enough people to cap a tech lab, and TR who's numbers a decent enough but the majority of them are so stupid that I would be surprised if any of them could tie their own shoes much less play this game with any level of competence.

[Assist]

The VS was with 26% of the population, and I checked it because if this thread.
They got most of Indar with 34% of the pop, TR was near the gate.
They got half of Esamir also with 35% of the pop.
They abandon Amerish with only 4% of the pop.
So, you had the most pop in 2 of the 3 continents, you just had to abandon one of them!

Also, the 4% pop of Amerish where a squad of 8 scythes, shooting down every liberator we took out of the warpgate, and they where also defending/ressuply in the ascend.
I ask myself, the VS where attacking TR warpgate with NO TERRITORY on amerish.
Those where big lame bad manner pilot squad I even saw, they fly for frags only.


I think you're starting to see the problem. I doubt we had most pop on two continents as well, but as you said we would have to abandon one in order to capture one. Getting the VS off Indar isn't possible since the Jaeger merge. So the only continent to capture, since we only have the numbers for one, is Indar because so many outfits from Jaeger simply refuse to leave Indar.


As for the outfit on Amerish, every faction on Waterson seems to have a group that camps warpgates, it's what they enjoy for whatever reason. At least they were holding a territory at the Ascent, usually the TR/NC squads that camp our warpgate are just sitting in the middle of no where with 30 guys and no territory.

[Whiteagle]

I personally think they could use some help in the aesthetics department. Use more silver like in Alpha pictures. Create more edgier, darker, alien, designs like the max concept. More armor less spandex. Less visors and more full helmets. They just need much more "baddasification" as aesthetics go a surprisingly long way when people choose a faction in an MMO. You simply don't feel like a bad ass when your fellow soldiers show up to fight in PJ's, Yoga Pants, and bike helmets.
This is probably the biggest issue, along with the Vanu's rather depressing representation personality wise...
The Empire Showdown certainly didn't help things despite your impressive showing in the actual in-game competition, being shafted with a completely uninitiated popular video game reviewer at the begining who not only had an outright comedic lack of experience but also made your faction look mentally disturbed in the promos...

Then you were probably hurt even MORE by He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Mentioned's ousting in the middle of the Event, as his fanatic fanboys probably up and dropped the game then bad-mouthed Sony all over the Web.

...And no offence, but to be honest the guy you replaced him with was a little too dry...
Nice guy, but he made Seananners look a LOT more passionate in comparison.

I mean no disrespect to the Church of Luperza, but I think you guys might need a Cult Face with a more magnetic personality...

This, along with a more badass redesign, could be exactly what makes your faction the most popular...

...Especially if you pitch this overhaul as a "Purge" of He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Mentioned's regime, then have you know who come back to help fuel the Schism with his fanboys.
Hell, you Barnies were fanatic enough to petition him out, imagine the bile he'll raise when he "tries" to "force" his way "back in"...

I'm not a fan of watersons current state either. You have the NC zerg consisting of DVS's awful players and their handful of hackers then VS who, on a good day have barely enough people to cap a tech lab, and TR who's numbers a decent enough but the majority of them are so stupid that I would be surprised if any of them could tie their own shoes much less play this game with any level of competence.
Either stupid, or outright Trolling... (http://cheezburger.com/7163582720)

Seriously, you guys in the other factions, how many Spam Orders to Take the Crown on your side?
I ended up leaving my old Outfit because the fuckhead in charge prioritised it over holding an enemy's Amp Station.

I think you're starting to see the problem. I doubt we had most pop on two continents as well, but as you said we would have to abandon one in order to capture one. Getting the VS off Indar isn't possible since the Jaeger merge. So the only continent to capture, since we only have the numbers for one, is Indar because so many outfits from Jaeger simply refuse to leave Indar.
If there is anything we can probably take away from this, it's that Indar probably IS the most balanced map for three-way fighting right now.

Now we just need enough two-way and wedge-gate Continents to get a proper Warpgate Network layed out, and plunk Indar right in the center.
...What's the Gate Layout for Hossin looking like?

[shamE]

Either stupid, or outright Trolling... (http://cheezburger.com/7163582720)

Seriously, you guys in the other factions, how many Spam Orders to Take the Crown on your side?
I ended up leaving my old Outfit because the fuckhead in charge prioritised it over holding an enemy's Amp Station.

Firstly, I am not trolling that is my observation of the current player base on waterson. I play TR and aside from NC we have the worst pubs on the server. VS is good I'll admit but they simply don't have the numbers and no large outfits that can herd the pubs.

[Palerion]

Yeah, Vanu pop is really low on Waterson for some reason. I hardly even notice the vanu, it seems like just NC vs TR.

[Whiteagle]

Firstly, I am not trolling that is my observation of the current player base on waterson. I play TR and aside from NC we have the worst pubs on the server. VS is good I'll admit but they simply don't have the numbers and no large outfits that can herd the pubs.
No, I mean we have idiots trolling our Zerg and everyone else by giving order to retake the fucking Crown...

[Assist]

I don't think there's an outfit on VS that is the size of any of the large NC/TR outfits. VDRS possibly, but I doubt they're even the size of the 2nd largest on TR/NC.
After that though, there's probably no one even close to that size for VS. Where as the NC have DREV or PHX, and the TR have.. a lot. IDDI, TRAF, EGO, ODAM, V1C1, and now this new LG13..

I don't even know who would be considered next largest for VS? Maybe VHOT? LPRO? But they're probably not even the size of the next 10 in line for the TR/NC..

It really looks bad when you start thinking about outfit sizes lol

[Palerion]

Man all I can say is you guys need more people. Can't really think of something that would fix the problem though.

I doubt it's just that the vanu are simply "unattractive" as a faction. I actually strongly considered being one strictly for their low recoil, but had already made purchases and put in lots of time as a TR soldier.

[Rbstr]

Before, even though outnumbered, the VA managed to hold things together and be successful. The pop disparity has gotten a bit beyond that point now.

The real success of good coordination comes when you've got the randos backing you up. They can hold the line while the outfits sort of manage the battle in a smarter way. But once you get too outnumbered that falls apart.

If the zerg would be more willing to leave Indar things would go much better.
And You really can't cap Indar when it's even/max pop with three factions.

[Ghoest9]

I doubt it's just that the vanu are simply "unattractive" as a faction. I actually strongly considered being one strictly for their low recoil, but had already made purchases and put in lots of time as a TR soldier.


But your anecdote actually supports my position that they are superficially unattractive in general and only had higher pops because they were perceived(rightly or wrongly) as offering an advanatge to players.

Early on many people were playing Vanu because they did better or at least felt better with their weapons and many people did worse or at least felt worse with NC weapons - yet even then they only had balanced pops..

When the game is perceived as balanced they are a less popular faction.

NOTE: Its only takes like 15 or 20 percent or so of the total players to feel this way to shift the balance.

[Whiteagle]

I don't think there's an outfit on VS that is the size of any of the large NC/TR outfits. VDRS possibly, but I doubt they're even the size of the 2nd largest on TR/NC.
After that though, there's probably no one even close to that size for VS. Where as the NC have DREV or PHX, and the TR have.. a lot. IDDI, TRAF, EGO, ODAM, V1C1, and now this new LG13..

I don't even know who would be considered next largest for VS? Maybe VHOT? LPRO? But they're probably not even the size of the next 10 in line for the TR/NC..

It really looks bad when you start thinking about outfit sizes lol
Well...
Purple Fluffy Attack Squad Of Doom [2EZ]-695
PURPLESAURUS REX [PREX]-580
Legions of Prometheus [LPRO]-521

...Legion XIII is actually the only one you named that ISN'T on this list...
They haven't broken 200 according to the stat page...

...But we still have TR Shock Infantry [MSWR]-446 and Feet FIrst Into Hell -480, plus the ones you did list all hover at around 800...

DigiRev [DREV] is actually beaten by a Phoenix Battalion [PHX], who have 1445 to DREV's 781.
Then you have EZ Company [EZC]-684 and NC United [NCUN]-471...

Top 5 Largest Outfits are:
1. DVS Gaming [DVS]-2127
2. Phoenix Battalion [PHX]-1445
3. Vanu Drop Squad [VDRS]-1097
4. The Crimson Dawn [V1C1]-1041
5. The Devil Dogs [IDDI]-960

Man all I can say is you guys need more people. Can't really think of something that would fix the problem though.
I'm telling you, [B]SOE needs to fuel an artificial Scisim between the Tobuscites and the NuVanu!

[Palerion]

But your anecdote actually supports my position that they are superficially unattractive in general and only had higher pops because they were perceived(rightly or wrongly) as offering an advanatge to players.

Early on many people were playing Vanu because they did better or at least felt better with their weapons and many people did worse or at least felt worse with NC weapons - yet even then they only had balanced pops..

When the game is perceived as balanced they are a less popular faction.

NOTE: Its only takes like 15 or 20 percent or so of the total players to feel this way to shift the balance.

Well, I partially agree.

The real reason I would never consider joining them aside from their awesome weapons is they look retarded in purple tights.

[Dragonskin]

I started out as VS and spent a lot of SC on my VS character, but I just can't play him any more. I got tired of the lasers which really was they reason I started with them. I originally felt they were the only faction to feel SciFi.

Now I just like the TR weapons. They sound right. They feel right. I like the bullet shells flying out as the bullets are expended instead of " I NEED MORE BATTERIES!!"... The only thing I miss about the VS is the Scythe.. I still like it over the Mossie. Otherwise the TR is much more my style which I didn't really play them until some time late January even though I had this character since like December.

[Hamma]

You need a fix?


Form an alliance. Get a website + TS3 going, get other Outfits on board of your alliance, coordinate between each other, roll to Esamir and Amerish togeter, have a fun time.

This is what our Outfit has started doing. :D

[Badjuju]

I started out as VS and spent a lot of SC on my VS character, but I just can't play him any more. I got tired of the lasers which really was they reason I started with them. I originally felt they were the only faction to feel SciFi.

Now I just like the TR weapons. They sound right. They feel right. I like the bullet shells flying out as the bullets are expended instead of " I NEED MORE BATTERIES!!"... The only thing I miss about the VS is the Scythe.. I still like it over the Mossie. Otherwise the TR is much more my style which I didn't really play them until some time late January even though I had this character since like December.

I played Vanu in PS1, and unfortunately in PS2 they just aren't appealing to aside from nostalgia. They don't remind me of Vanu, they don't look alien, nor bad ass in the slightest. The new SMGs are cool but the older weapons are boring for the most part. I don't like having a stationary turret on my tank. The lasher looks and sounds boring, and have a very small and boring niche. Allot of weapons don't sound or feel powerful. Spandex instead if armor ill never understand.

[Obstruction]

this seems to be a combination "strategic metagame" and roleplaying thread. i say roleplaying because you're projecting your characters desires as a soldier to "get things done" or "keep them from taking our land".

in other words you haven't caught on to farming yet and how the flow of battle moves across the map and back. you are probably choosing to fight always on the defense which obviously sucks really bad in PS2.

that's why it's also a SM thread because here's the fact: everyone goes back to indar when one group gets enough pop on another continent to steamroll. because then you can fight on the offense again and not get steamrolled.

get it?

maybe as the game develops more over the course of the year it will make more sense. i hope so. but for right now i feel sorry for people who are "trying to accomplish something" that isn't building your toons for later when the real game emerges.

it won't be pretty to not have developed infantry classes because you were always trying to defend some tech plant that they clearly updated to be indefensible.

[Falcon_br]

This week I played on defense of Esamir only, it was like 1 capture each 15 defense I got.
Spent all my mines and c4, grenades, on defense, got a k/d over 2 all the time.
It was much better them just piloting a liberator and getting no kills.
The problem is, my outfit got tired of this, they have a point, it is just a matter of time until we are overrun, they say the feeling is like playing last stand games, you kill, you kill, but the outcome will always be the same, we die.
The biggest complain is that the enemy always got armor and air superiority, well, that's why we place mines and got anti air maxes. Also this is the meaning of a Zerg, too bad some of my outfit members didn't play Starcraft.
Well, we did hold mani bio lab for 2 days, but in the end, the outcome is always the same, in the next day we will need to re conquerer everything.
Got Amerish on Saturday, got Amerish today, I am just tired of getting Amerish, or defending Esamir or lagging on Indar. Time to play another game.

[Whiteagle]

This is what our Outfit has started doing. :D
Ooh, Hamma, get in touch with craigr910 (http://www.planetside-universe.com/character-5428010618035827281.php)!

The Angry Army as a whole might not endorse the idea of Alliances, but Craig is our most active Squad Leader and is usually willing to thrown in with any organized effort.

maybe as the game develops more over the course of the year it will make more sense. i hope so. but for right now i feel sorry for people who are "trying to accomplish something" that isn't building your toons for later when the real game emerges.
...Maybe some of us are playing this like a Strategic Shooter instead of a boring MMO Grindfest where the only skill you need is the patience/cash to get top end loot and the ability to write "I Win" macros...

...You wouldn't happen to be from DVS would you?

[Gatekeeper]

On Cobalt the VS do well, although it's not unusual for us to be a bit lower in population.

And yeah, I'd agree that the look and feel of the Vanu puts a lot of players off. I only play as VS because they were my faction in PS1, and I'm fanatically loyal to them as a result. And TBH I only played them in PS1 because they were the smallest faction there as well, and I love underdogs ;)

Our armour looks pretty crappy compared to the other factions, and our guns are a bit too 'pew pew' to feel really satisfying in most cases. The trouble is, overhauling this now would be a lot of work, and fans of the other factions wouldn't be happy with us getting a shiny new look while they get nothing. So I guess we're stuck with it for now.

Although I think basing the XP bonus on your continent population rather than total server population makes sense as a way to encourage people to spread out onto Esamir and Amerish, I think having both a server pop bonus and separate cont pop bonus would make sense - and even if it doesn't balance the faction populations overall, at least it would compensate us Vanu for our dodgy design ;)

[Assist]

this seems to be a combination "strategic metagame" and roleplaying thread. i say roleplaying because you're projecting your characters desires as a soldier to "get things done" or "keep them from taking our land".

in other words you haven't caught on to farming yet and how the flow of battle moves across the map and back. you are probably choosing to fight always on the defense which obviously sucks really bad in PS2.

that's why it's also a SM thread because here's the fact: everyone goes back to indar when one group gets enough pop on another continent to steamroll. because then you can fight on the offense again and not get steamrolled.

get it?

maybe as the game develops more over the course of the year it will make more sense. i hope so. but for right now i feel sorry for people who are "trying to accomplish something" that isn't building your toons for later when the real game emerges.

it won't be pretty to not have developed infantry classes because you were always trying to defend some tech plant that they clearly updated to be indefensible.

I get what you're saying, but you seem to be interpreting me as someone who doesn't play much and/or doesn't know what he's doing. The point of the thread was that it's simply not fun to be horribly outnumbered to the point that strategy doesn't matter.
You also have the misconception that farming certs/xp is based on being on Indar, which is wrong. Esamir and Amerish reward the same amount of certs, as it's all dependent on the number of enemies there. There's almost always platoons of enemies for the VS to fight on Esamir/Amerish, and if anything the best place to 'farm' would be Sungrey and Mani, as it's really tough for the enemy to take those bases if they're defended because of the close proximity to the warpgate.

I think you're looking at this as if Esamir/Amerish are empty of people to kill, and they're not on Waterson. Amerish almost always has a war between NC/TR, it's just the VS never have a presence.

Also, your comment is a little off base referring to me not knowing how to farm, or gain XP. I'm currently BR 92 and before I took an extended break from VS the 2nd week of January I was the 2nd highest(10 ranks above 3rd) on Waterson and pretty close to top 10 in the game for XP. Farming is one thing I know fairly well, certainly not the best at it, but to suggest I don't know how to efficiently level my character is just a touch off base. I always find it interesting that people argue that Indar is the best location for farming/XP when it's not and the amount of low ranks that sit at the Crown all day should be a good indication of how poor the XP/Hr is there. Just like before this vehicle XP change, a Dalton Liberator is still the best XP possible and they have the same efficiency on any continent.

[Whiteagle]

And yeah, I'd agree that the look and feel of the Vanu puts a lot of players off. I only play as VS because they were my faction in PS1, and I'm fanatically loyal to them as a result. And TBH I only played them in PS1 because they were the smallest faction there as well, and I love underdogs ;)

Our armour looks pretty crappy compared to the other factions, and our guns are a bit too 'pew pew' to feel really satisfying in most cases. The trouble is, overhauling this now would be a lot of work, and fans of the other factions wouldn't be happy with us getting a shiny new look while they get nothing. So I guess we're stuck with it for now.
Well why not make the Vanu Schism a sub-event part of another Empire Showdown, where new armors are given out as part of the promotion?

So the TR would get "Loyalist" armor, NC get "FREEDOM" armor, and the Vanu get badass "NuVanu" armor or foam-rubber and rainbow balloonicorn "Disturbed" armor depending on which side they're on.

Tobuscus can come back kayfabbing his removal up, playing the psychotic former Cult Head, while the new one takes on the persona of the cold intellectual who looks down on everyone.

Everybody gets something, rivalries are stoked, and the game gets sold to new players on it's true selling point, "BEAT THE SNOT OUT OF THE OTHER GUYS!"

Although I think basing the XP bonus on your continent population rather than total server population makes sense as a way to encourage people to spread out onto Esamir and Amerish, I think having both a server pop bonus and separate cont pop bonus would make sense - and even if it doesn't balance the faction populations overall, at least it would compensate us Vanu for our dodgy design ;)
True enough, it would also bolster moral for us Last Standers to stay to defend the Last Hex to the Last Man.

[Neutral Calypso]

I support any effort to improve the VS population. I need more purple in my kill count.

[Falcon_br]

Yeah, I am tired of fight NC on Bio Labs, fighting VS on biolabs is much more fun! You can use your max to rack up kills without meeting another maxes that rushes you and instant kill you and your eng, even with both shoting at him non stop.