The Prowler tank's general shape was inspired by the Tiger tank

[Rothnang]

I wanted to point this out in the ill fated TR-Nazi thread, as an interesting side note that really has nothing to do with that discussion.

The Prowler Tank seems to be inspired heavily by the German PzKpfw VI Tiger tank, primarily in its hull design. It's a little sleeker, and doesn't have the prominent boxy superstructure, but it shares the large lower glacis plate and angled front and sides, the extremely broad tracks, as well as the general proportions of the hull being almost as wide as it is long, and exposed engine components/exhaust system on the back of the tank.

The turret design is obviously very different, and the Prowler has fixed side skirts that cover its tracks as well as a much smoother superstructure that is also missing the hull mounted machinegun and drivers viewport that are very characteristic of the Tigers front.

Some pictures to compare:

http://www.planetside2forum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=102&d=1334849789

http://www.deviantart.com/download/70282343/Tiger_Tank_1_by_squadristiPNF.jpg


Please don't start the whole nazi discussion up again. I just wanted to point out that some of the artistic inspiration for a TR vehicle was in fact partially drawn from a German WW2 vehicle, merely as an observation of aesthetic influence in the game.

[bpostal]

Neat? Was it's steering as fucked up as the Prowler's is when it's trying to turn around?

[Binkley]

Other than the L x W similarity, I don't see much comparison.

[spuntron]

Nope.

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/041116/041116_monsterTB.grid-6x2.jpg

[Figment]

Don't see it.

http://blog.boesealtemaenner.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/T-10_tank.jpg

Looks more like an IS-8 or some other Russian model like the Object 252 (http://de.valka.cz/files/objekt_252_122.jpg) to me.

[DarkBalths]

WHOAH

A tank that looks like a tank?
What?!

[AThreatToYou]

I can see this, mostly because the Prowler's design as an MBT is horribly unrealistic, so much so that no professionally-minded military would select it as their MBT in the motherfucking future.

It still looks cool though!

Not saying that the Panzer VI wasn't professionally minded. It was a heavy tank, very slow, and poorly armored for how heavy it was mostly because of its armor all being at flat angles. It was the Tiger II that had good armor. It had the usual Wermacht advantage of having a significantly better gun than its opponents.

But hey, that's not entirely relevant to just how the Prowler looks. What is relevant is that the Prowler, for all intents and purposes, would be extremely fucking stupid if it wasn't based off of the PzKpfw VI Tiger, because:

1) Its front glacis is fucking flat. FLAT. That tiny angle doesn't count. It's flat.
2) You can SEE its engine from the rear.
3) It's a box with treads and a cylindrical turret, just like the Tiger.

Don't see it.

http://blog.boesealtemaenner.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/T-10_tank.jpg

Looks more like an IS-8 or some other Russian model like the Object 252 (http://de.valka.cz/files/objekt_252_122.jpg) to me.

Nope.avi

Reasons:

Flat front glacis
Box shape
Tread thickness

[Figment]

That is a long list of crap reasons. Hell, the Vanguard looks more like the Tiger than the Prowler.


If you have not noticed, the Prowler is all about sloped armour.



Besides, it isn't based on any tank in particular, it is based on the Terran Republic Leitmotiv.

[maradine]

And don't get me started on off-axis gun mounts . . .

[ChipMHazard]

I don't really see the inspiration. If anything I would think that the original Prowler [From PS1] looked like a Sherman made for racing. And since the current Prowler looks largely like its predecessor I would almost claim that it would be a closer match.
But I can't really think of any specific tank that reminds me of the Prowler's design...

Let's face it. The Prowler is a brick with tracks:p

[Koadster]

The biggest difference between the prowler and tiger, other tank drivers don't shit bricks when a prowler comes to play.

[Silent Thunder]

The biggest difference between the prowler and tiger, other tank drivers don't shit bricks when a prowler comes to play.

No but at least the Prowler is easy to maintain, can be built quickly in large numbers, and doesn't run out of fuel during a campaign. Which is more than can be said for the Tiger. :rofl:

[stargazer093]

no it was inspired by nintendo FC

[maradine]

Somewhere, in the bottom of a filing cabinet, I have a photo if myself and my brother at 9 and 5, respectively, sitting on a PzVI at Aberdeen. They closed it in 2010, which is a shame. Well, moved it, anyway.

[Zulthus]

That's some good guess work, but I'd like to give my opinion on this topic as well;

I believe the Prowler was inspired by a vehicle from the 2003 game Planetside, called the Prowler. As you can see, pretty much all of the major parts of the tank are extremely similar;

http://i.imgur.com/s5wV2UI.jpg

[Rothnang]

I still see a Tiger with turbosmooth.

[Corvo]

It is quite obvious that the principles around which the Prowler is built resemble those of the Soviet post-WW2 tanks (starting from T-55 to this day), such as:

small flattened turret
faster firing cannon
mobility over armor

The Vanguard design philosophy is just plain NATO design.

huge boxy turret
slower firing cannon with no reload mechanism
armor over mobility


The only thing that kind of distinguishes the Prowler is that it's gun is mounted on the exterior of the turret, which is a popular trend in modern weapons design. Without it it's just a generic Soviet tank (just like Vanguard is a generic Gulf War tank).

[Rolfski]

Not sure what the OP is smooking. If there's any resemblance to the clunky, slow, heavily armored, hard hitting Tiger tank in PS2 it would be the Vanguard. Prowler is more of a medium tank.

[Canaris]

That's some good guess work, but I'd like to give my opinion on this topic as well;

I believe the Prowler was inspired by a vehicle from the 2003 game Planetside, called the Prowler. As you can see, pretty much all of the major parts of the tank are extremely similar;

http://i.imgur.com/s5wV2UI.jpg

oh look at that beautiful beast, the PS2 Prowler as my brother rightly just put it looks like a damn throwback compared to it.
Whoever designed the Prowler take a look here

https://www.google.ie/search?safe=off&hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=921&q=tanks&oq=tanks&gs_l=img.3..0l10.801.1372.0.1832.5.5.0.0.0.0.106.4 62.3j2.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.8.img.phgDCO7buH0

What do you notice about all these tanks, look harder at the cannons, see the position of them, that's right they're centralized to the tank turret.
It's like tank design 101, why would you wreck our MBT by sticking the cannons on the side. it's insane :(

FIX THE PROWLER!!!!!

[psijaka]

The offset gun mounts are totally bizarre. What were they thinking of?

[Nathaniak]

Yeah. I hate the Prowler's design. It just looks so wide! Why? It's a two-man tank, not an upgunned Sunderer. It's a silly design, and I'm not sure why the devs decided to stick to the PS1 design, as they've changed so much else.

[Rothnang]

The gun placement on the prowler makes little sense from a realism standpoint. In order for a gun to be able to elevate and depress smoothly it needs to be as balanced as possible on its trunnions. The prowler has two cannons that have their trunnion pretty much placed at the very back of the cannon, meaning the weight of the barrel would have an insanely huge mechanical advantage pushing against whatever mechanism is moving the guns up and down, so the amount of torque that tank must be able to put into its gun laying would be absolutely insane. Similarly having a gun that's offset so far to the side means that the turret ring on the tank would have to be incredibly strong and resilient to offer a stable firing platform and not completely throw off the traverse at every shot, especially since the guns don't seem to have any kind of recoil system built in. (Maybe that's why the tank needs to anchor down to achieve its maximum firepower)

It's unclear from the design of the Prowlers guns how they are loaded. There doesn't seem to be anything large enough at the back that would allow for opening the breech and ramming a new shell. Maybe shells are nanite assembled inside of the gun and it doesn't have a breech at all, which would certainly be a huge advantage in terms of making the barrel lighter.

The fact that the breech assembly of a gun has to stick out behind the trunnion of any cannon is what proposes a design challenge for tanks, since you want the cannon to be as far up as possible in the vehicle so that as little of the vehicle as possible needs to be exposed while firing, but at the same time, you want the gun to be able to depress to make better use of hull down positions. Since the breech will swing up when the barrel swings down that creates two competing design advantages. A higher turret roof will allow you more gun depression, but increase the overall silhouette of the vehicle.



Also it's pretty weird that people can't see how the shapes in the hull design of the two tanks I posted line up. I never said the turret looked similar, yet that's all they seem to be able to see. :lol:

[Canaris]

Also it's pretty weird that people can't see how the shapes in the hull design of the two tanks I posted line up. I never said the turret looked similar, yet that's all they seem to be able to see. :lol:
I see what your saying but for my money it reminds me more of the Ukraines T72 with it's spatial armour engaged rather than the Tiger, see what you think.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5443/t72umgua03.jpg

now imagine that this thing had smaller twin cannons, painted in black and red... I could die happy :D

[Rothnang]

Well, what you're showing there has a similar domed turret, but look at the front. The Tiger is very distinctive in the way that the guards over its tracks form one continuous plate with the upper glacis of the tank, which is only raised up a little bit. The Prowler has the exact same thing going, and there is no other tank ever built that has a design like that.

It's also in the proportions of the hull and the width of the tracks compared to the hull that the Prowler is pretty much identical to the Tiger, and the Tiger is also very unique in that regard.

[HiroshiChugi]

Hell, the Vanguard looks more like the Tiger than the Prowler.

ARE YOU NUTS?!?!?!?!? :doh::eek::doh::eek:

The NC are supposed to be like the Americans in the future (try thinking the Revolutionary War but in PS2's timefrome? O_o). The Vanguard is based more on the M2A1 Abrahms Main Battle Tank.

Pics for reference:
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Abrahms+Main+Battle+Tank#/art/M1A2-Abrams-Main-Battle-Tank-108560497?_sid=3671a093
http://mojo-arrogance.deviantart.com/art/Armored-Hearts-97559467
http://jasonh1234.deviantart.com/art/My-first-3D-Render-97065194

Do you see it now? The NC designs are based off of American designs and/or concept designs.Hell, even the GLAXY was based off of an american design. The CV-22 Osprey was the basis for it's design.

Again, pics for reference:
http://bagera3005.deviantart.com/art/Bell-Boeing-V-22-Osprey-USAF-104126293
http://indeepschit.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-329447682
http://militaryphotos.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-152999412
http://atmosphotography.deviantart.com/art/Osprey-43384159

See? American. Suck it. :P

[Canaris]

ARE YOU NUTS?!?!?!?!? :doh::eek::doh::eek:

The NC are supposed to be like the Americans in the future (try thinking the Revolutionary War but in PS2's timefrome? O_o). The Vanguard is based more on the M2A1 Abrahms Main Battle Tank.

Pics for reference:
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Abrahms+Main+Battle+Tank#/art/M1A2-Abrams-Main-Battle-Tank-108560497?_sid=3671a093
http://mojo-arrogance.deviantart.com/art/Armored-Hearts-97559467
http://jasonh1234.deviantart.com/art/My-first-3D-Render-97065194

Do you see it now? The NC designs are based off of American designs and/or concept designs.Hell, even the GLAXY was based off of an american design. The CV-22 Osprey was the basis for it's design.

Again, pics for reference:
http://bagera3005.deviantart.com/art/Bell-Boeing-V-22-Osprey-USAF-104126293
http://indeepschit.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-329447682
http://militaryphotos.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-152999412
http://atmosphotography.deviantart.com/art/Osprey-43384159

See? American. Suck it. :P

shame not 1 picture of yours is working, so FAIL :p

[HiroshiChugi]

shame not 1 picture of yours is working, so FAIL :p

Here are the links to the pictures:

Vanguard/M1A2 Abrahms References:
http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=Abrahms+Main+Battle+Tank#/art/M1A2-Abrams-Main-Battle-Tank-108560497?_sid=3671a093
http://mojo-arrogance.deviantart.com/art/Armored-Hearts-97559467
http://jasonh1234.deviantart.com/art/My-first-3D-Render-97065194

Galaxy/CV-22 Osprey References:
http://bagera3005.deviantart.com/art/Bell-Boeing-V-22-Osprey-USAF-104126293
http://indeepschit.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-329447682
http://militaryphotos.deviantart.com/art/CV-22-Osprey-152999412
http://atmosphotography.deviantart.com/art/Osprey-43384159

Fixed. :P

[Rolfski]

TR being space fascists is no argument at all for Prowler being a Tiger. Do your WWII/tank homework first before making theses ridiculous claims.

[Haro]

The prowler always reminds me a bit of the tanks from Tron.
http://www.feoamante.com/Movies/STU/Tron/images/TronTank2.jpg

[Rothnang]

TR being space fascists

Stop right there. The TR are decidedly not fascist in their politics, and it's getting really tiresome that people throw that word around without having the most bare bones understanding of what it actually means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism has a lot of similarities with other totalitarian forms of government, however, there are some major differences:

1. It's ethnocentric. It always builds on the notion that your culture, race and nationality is superior and the only one that really matters. Unlike for example, communism which seeks to export its culture to others, fascism doesn't seek to convert others to its point of view, it just seeks to displace them.
2. It glorifies violence and conflict without and within as a positive force to make sure the strong lead. (Social Darwinism)
3. It's based on "third position" economic policies that combine the constant competition of capitalism with the contempt for materialism of marxism, as industry and laborers compete to best serve the state. (This merger between state and private enterprise is a key factor to what makes a regime fascist)

The TR is characterized more as a socially conservative socialist state, that seeks primarily to keep everyone passive and content, while stifling ambition. The complete lack of the social Darwinism aspect to their politics pretty much disqualifies the TR from being called fascist. In fact, in that aspect the NC is decidedly closer to fascism than the TR.



All that said, this was entirely meant as a discussion of aesthetic influences on certain vehicles, and it's sad that I have to reiterate this point over and over and over because people don't understand their political spectrum.

[Figment]

ARE YOU NUTS?!?!?!?!? :doh::eek::doh::eek:

I didn't say it actually looks like a Tiger, now did I? I said it looked MORE like a Tiger than the Prowler looks like a Tiger.

The usage of the words 'hell,' and 'even' should have indicated to you I thought it would still be a big stretch.

Because neither looks anything like the other, but at least both Vanny and Tiger I have a lot of NC style geometry with its straight plating usage, whereas the Prowler is all rounded armour everywhere.

[HiroshiChugi]

Vanny and Tiger I have a lot of NC style geometry with its straight plating usage, whereas the Prowler is all rounded armour everywhere.

No they do not. Vanny is a RECTANGLE (when viewed from overhead) and the Tiger I is a SQUARE when viewed overhead. Use the pics I posted the links to so you can see what the Vanny was ACTUALLY modeled after. You're arguing with a NEW CONGLOMERATE soldier about how NEW CONGLOMERATE vehicles look. Dafuq...? e.e Come on man, at least have a valid point. :P

[Figment]

Do you ever actually read what someone else said?

[HiroshiChugi]

Do you ever actually read what someone else said?

Hmm... let's see... I spend approx. 5-15 total hours a week reading these posts. anywhere from 1-3 hours hours a day Monday-Friday, just reading posts and replying if I have a decent enough post in mind just to keep up to date with the latest Planetside 2 details. I think I DO red everything I read. Otherwise I'd be wasting 15 hours a week where I could be doing other things like fapping or making a sandwhich. So yes, I DO read what someone else says. all the time. You either just need to learn to phrase your posts better or make better posts period. IMHO, the only reson you MIGHT be deserving of your forum rank is all the bitching you do. That's all most officers do IMHO (except for the good ones such as Chip, Assist, Sledge, etc. basically everyone but you). :P

[ChipMHazard]

Yeah. Let's not start attacking each other, shall we?

[Figment]

Hiroshi, I've phrased it perfectly well, you just misread it.

I never said it actually looked like the Tiger.

You just didn't realise that I said the Prowler looks EVEN LESS like the Tiger compared to how little the Vanguard looks like it.

It's that simple.




I already explained to you the comment was about multi-curved rounded armour vs orthogonal plated armour and that in that sense, the Tiger fits more with the Leitmotiv of the NC than with the Leitmotiv of the TR. That's all I've said on the matter. Even if it doesn't look like neither, it looks even LESS like the Prowler.

You just interpreted the sentence completely wrong, which in this case definitely is your fault and not a phrasing issue on my part.

[AThreatToYou]

small flattened turret
faster firing cannon
mobility over armor


I must agree. I concede. Prowler is probably based more off of Soviet Post-WW2 MBTs than the Tiger.

>but
>Vanguard?
>just looks bad

[maradine]

Well, they certainly didn't draw inspiration from their concept art . . .

Which is a shame.

[Ghoest9]

The OP is completely deluded.

Its looks more like a tank from "TRON" than like Tiger.


EDIT: I see someone else already mentioned this.