May 4th, the day the Terran Republic will stop! [Archive]

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Falcon_br

2013-04-22, 05:13 PM

Ok, we are tired of all the nerfs we are receiving.
We are tired of having all LMG with almost the same status, unlike the other Factions.
We are tired of anchored mode to the prowler, and now we will receive it to the max! Every rocket launcher users will love us.
We are tired of getting nerfs, the T7, the Striker, the t9carv, and other weapons, while all the others receive buffs! I am sure now the Striker will have the worst score/minute now that it can´t lock on towers, they could not fix the lock on hit so they disable it!
We are tired of having the only directional mine that need skill to use while the others only run and drop them to get lots of multi kills.
We are tired of been handicapped so we must overcome all the odd to win.
We are also loosing more and more population while the NC is still on top.

So I had the idea, May 4th we will not fight, maybe we will only login in to see the weapon deal of the day, but we will not fight and not stay long logged in!

PS: We will watch AGN: Squad Beacon May 4th!
PPS: I know that TR are not in their stile to complain about anything but I think there is a limit for that and SOE already crossed that line long ago!

MrMak

2013-04-22, 05:23 PM

Lol knew this would happen. The TR has decided its UP all of a sudden just like the Vanu did before.

http://youtu.be/EL8e2ujXe8g

Sledgecrushr

2013-04-22, 05:27 PM

If you dont resist, then we promise we wont kill you 8 P

basti

2013-04-22, 05:41 PM

You have no right to whine until you endure being extremly underpowered for at least 3 Months.

Thats what the VS went through. And we kept fighting!

camycamera

2013-04-22, 05:48 PM

what? the tr is fine...

but anchored mode needs a buff.

MrMak

2013-04-22, 05:53 PM

what? the tr is fine...

but anchored mode needs a buff.

Insane relaod speed and a projectile velocity increase not enaugh for you?

Seriously THIS needs a buff acording to you?

Planetside 2: Siege Tank fueled up and ready to go! - YouTube

bpostal

2013-04-22, 06:09 PM

If I can, I'm going to log in and have a fight anyway. I could care less about anchored mode on the Prowler and I'm looking forward to lockdown on my MAX.
I'm going to get dual Thumpers and set up shop on top of the SCU shield gen in a biolab.

Ruffdog

2013-04-22, 06:16 PM

How about we fight our problems rather than run away from them? Give the devs data ...... and give our enemies hell!

"Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit."
~ Vince Lombardi

JeffBeefjaw

2013-04-22, 06:26 PM

These are my viewpoints on what i dislike from a TR's point of view.

TR LMG's and especially the MCG are all a bit meh, think they gave up after they failed to have a ps1 style mcg in ps2.

Claymores are nowhere near inline with other empires AP mines with their glowing green lazors (surely more inline with vs?), stand up mini briefcase design and narrow angle of effect compared to the 360 degree coverage nc and vs get.

Never been a big fan of lockdown and being a sitting duck, i have always preferred overdrive.

Mercy nerf was unnecessary.

Map showing different colours to the mini map for friendlies, especially annoying for TR.

You don't need 3 months to realise this.

Artimus

2013-04-22, 06:28 PM

You never played PS1 I take it.

JeffBeefjaw

2013-04-22, 06:35 PM

I made cr5 br40 :)

Neutral Calypso

2013-04-22, 06:55 PM

Claymores are fine as long as the bug that let other factions see their lasers doesn't come back.

That being said someone needs to explain to me the functional difference between bouncing betties and prox mines. :rolleyes:

p0intman

2013-04-22, 07:01 PM

... wtf?

You have some of the best weapons in the game. What is the fucking problem?

Wahooo

2013-04-22, 07:07 PM

While I agree with the OP on about all of the points about the TR. To say they are now UP is silly.

these are balance changes and they can be disliked it doesn't mean they put TR at a disadvantage.

Although I too HATE lock down. The things I hated most in PS1?

Scat maxes... especially wall humping.
imbalance between single man air and 1 or 2 man ground
Phoenixes
Lock Down Mode as a "bonus"

In PS2? I hate scats even more...
Thank god for no 3rd person wall humping
They've balanced some the imbalance between single man air and single person ground but air still dominates.
Phoenixes are still annoying.
Lock Down? I'm not looking forward to it. Rage about C4 now? How about when you can't move to even shoot back?

TR is fine.. but there are somethings that are annoying. They are not that bad.

Falcon_br

2013-04-22, 07:49 PM

I am already in contact with some outfits in Waterson, a few of them are already supporting my idea, I just need now someone to contact the terran republic in other servers so we can make it work.

I will never forget on the roadmap about the max class, everyone saying we dont want anchored mode, nobody used it on PS-1, why we will use it on ps-2? We want overdrive!
What do SOE? Give us anchored mode an give VS overdrive.

A great quote from the official (but not great) forum:

“You can say TR are underpowered, but the proper way to phrase it would be this...

TR are overnerfed/underpowered...

CARV and CARV-S are terrible LMGs with recoil so bad and the switching speed penalty imposed on them. The CARV-S is a 1000 cert/700 SC POS LMG literally now, no way its worth the price of admission in its current sorry state.
Prowlers have to deal with having to fire more shots and recoil and their special ability makes them sitting ducks, and they have to fire more to kill infantry now too.
The Striker is the only ESRL that is TOTALLY useless vs. infantry, and now with GU7, its also TOTALLY useless vs turrets, and still has NO dumbfire mode.
TR MAXes got nerfed, but NC MAXes still obliterate anything up close, and VS MAXes got buffed.
ROF advantage that is half a myth... when we have no carbine that can match up to the GD-7F/Serpent's TTK.
Heck, even looks-wise we're sorta shafted, while VS got new good looks. And TR weapons look like it was made from iron that's about to rust anyday now.
Claymores... TR get a situational use AP mine, while everyone else can just chuck theirs anywhere and score kills.
About the only thing we have half decent is the Mosquito - which is totally destroyed anyways once VS/NC dual Bursters are around... and its not even as good as the Scythe yet NC/VS constantly make it out to be like god mode. And they say Strikers are OP vs. air when in truth dual Bursters MAXes will eat any TR Striker's HA's lunch/XP and leave none for them. Nose dive, and all our Striker does is fire missiles into the ground.

Yeah so you wonder why TR is getting the least number of new players among all the factions these days?”

maradine

2013-04-22, 08:20 PM

While it would be technically possible for you to whine harder, I don't think you have it in you.

Maarvy

2013-04-22, 08:29 PM

Sounds like a solid plan I suport this 100% .

When your outfits go on strike and your regular members decide its a good day to try a Vanu or NC alt we'll gladly keep the ones who decide not to come back to the whine side .

Sunrock

2013-04-22, 08:29 PM

You have no right to whine until you endure being extremly underpowered for at least 3 Months.

Thats what the VS went through. And we kept fighting!

That most been when I was off playing other games... Because VS has only ways been OP when I been playing.

But what they should do IMO is revamp all the balancing back to the end of beta. That was when things was as best.

Kail

2013-04-22, 08:30 PM

Yeah so you wonder why TR is getting the least number of new players among all the factions these days?”

What time do you play? I play on Waterson, and TR beats NC on pop sometimes even; if not, they're usually only a handful of percent behind. This is from say 5 to 9 CDT.

Edit:
Heck, even looks-wise we're sorta shafted, while VS got new good looks. And TR weapons look like it was made from iron that's about to rust anyday now.

Uh... what? TR have always looked really cool, and VS just got some color pallet changes (the grays became darker). If you ask most VS the color wasn't the problem, we just wanted more scaly / techy armor and less compression gear.

AThreatToYou

2013-04-22, 09:14 PM

imho Prowler is best looking tenk and Mossie is best looking esf.

Wahooo

2013-04-22, 09:25 PM

I for one, will not be protesting in this way. I will be playing on Waterson TR on whatever day I play. If I don't log in on May 4th it is because of life not some immature whiny "screw you guys I'm going home" action.

Population drops have as much to do with bitchy threads like this as anything. A lot of people DO lurk on forums, then spread that word and like a game of telephone the message that gets passed around is horribly messed up.

Make a bunch of threads about how OP TR items are it would do more good than a childish protest. 4th empire hoppers. wherever the "OMG OP" complaints are there you will find them.

OctavianAXFive

2013-04-22, 09:40 PM

Yeah so you wonder why TR is getting the least number of new players among all the factions these days?”

Step 1. Do away with the hockey pads.

Step 2. Make the "Terran it Up" poster the new background every time someone boots up the game and flips through the factions to see which one they want to pick for a new character.

Step 3. Relable this Tankmen episode and call it "A Day in the Life of the TR"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qKpOYOBV1o

Step 4. Win Planetside

Sledgecrushr

2013-04-22, 10:30 PM

For Dep - YouTube

Koadster

2013-04-23, 01:00 AM

Lol knew this would happen. The TR has decided its UP all of a sudden just like the Vanu did before.

The thing is.. we have reason to. Our -claymores are gimped compared to.no skill drop and win mines.. our faction trait.. high rof.. lol jkz Nc/vs has faster firing carbines. While the Nc get tr similar weapons.. eg: gr22 which is just as if not more so effective then the trv. We don't get a Nc equivalent.. sabr13 doesn't even compete with the amazing guass rifle.

Atleast our esf is pretty decent though with this new teleport hack for reavers from the 223 outfit on connery its harder to take down reavers.

The devs were lazy as Fuck with our empire launcher a lockon.. whooo real Fucking originality there tramell/higby.

moosepoop

2013-04-23, 01:21 AM

im pretty sure u guys are just burned out. a fps isnt meant to be played every single day for 5 months. take a break and u will enjoy the game again.

Rolfski

2013-04-23, 01:37 AM

As space fascists, TR downfall was to be expected. But as people prefer clear, plain, in-your-face evil over sneaky NC/VS-like evilness, expect a comeback.

They nerfed the beloved Mercy into oblivion (http://www.reddit.com/r/Planetside/comments/1cwkxw/the_ultimate_picture_that_shows_how_balanced_ai/) and bluntly stole valuable certs/SC from many TR players who swore by this gun and are now forced to look for alternatives. However, this will only sweeten TR vengeance as coward acts like these will not be forgotten...

Neutral Calypso

2013-04-23, 02:06 AM

I protest, we are not fascists. We believe in the glorious REPUBLIC.
Normal republic governmental functions will resume as soon as the terrorists are neutralized.
Until then, everybody sit tight and observe the curfew.

HereticusXZ

2013-04-23, 02:16 AM

TR has it's strengths and weakness' just like any other faction, quit crying and get back into the fight before the Commissar executes you for trying to think for yourself!

OctavianAXFive

2013-04-23, 02:55 AM

While the Nc get tr similar weapons.. eg: gr22 which is just as if not more so effective then the trv.

Shhhh!!!

The Cycler TRV will hear you!

Wait, it's too late, I'm sorry.

There is no god that can save you now...

Nur

2013-04-23, 03:02 AM

The only problem with TR is that we see RED friendlies on the big map.

The rest is useless whining.

psijaka

2013-04-23, 03:03 AM

Some TR are beginning to sound a bit like the Vanu. So many tears.

Nur

2013-04-23, 03:26 AM

Real TR do not whine.

If you whine, you should reroll NC or Vanu.

http://youtu.be/CHN9CdBqSYM

Canaris

2013-04-23, 03:38 AM

Sorry falcon I love the energy but come on Trooper we're the Terran Republic, not fighting is an even bigger anathema to us.

You do know we hang those who disobey orders in a time of war right?... I know what your going to say "why should I fear being hanged", well we had some trouble on this when the rebirthing tech came on the scene but a simple change has sorted it out. We no longer hang you by the neck, now we hang you by your repoductive organs.
You have been warned

;)

OctavianAXFive

2013-04-23, 04:34 AM

This is just a friendly reminder that there is no quitting in the Terran Republic.

But just in case you forgot.
If you will not serve in combat - YouTube

http://www.gobiel.com/sonsofruss/motiv/images/40kCommissars.jpg

You have been warned.

Timealude

2013-04-23, 05:08 AM

seems like an easy day for the VS and NC on waterson then, heh.

Tom Peters

2013-04-23, 05:30 AM

Uhm... okay, have fun I guess.

I'll still be gunning down NC with my MCG.

OmegaPREDATOR

2013-04-23, 06:36 AM

We are also loosing more and more population while the NC is still on top.

Here on Miller TR are on top, followed by NC and VS are last one.

NC think TR & VS have best guns (better range, less recoil, fast shoot) and VS & TR think it's better to have more damage but I thing you're guns have better DPS atm (grass is always greener on the other side).

but anchored mode needs a buff.

Yes he need to be buff with bigger recharging time and limitating turel rotation (as TR MAX will have). Also add 5s to deploy and undeploy times. You can deploy, shoot 2/3 times (x2), and move in the same time NC vanguard will shoot ones and reload.

ChipMHazard

2013-04-23, 06:43 AM

This is just a friendly reminder that there is no quitting in the Terran Republic.

http://www.gobiel.com/sonsofruss/motiv/images/40kCommissars.jpg

You have been warned.

Indeed:D
Guess what I will be doing when they finally add in the commissar hat.

Emperor Newt

2013-04-23, 06:50 AM

It's incredibly funny to see TR whine for once, when all they did when other factions complained (about stuff that was later fixed and/or still isn't fixed) was and is to say "suck it up".

Soooo... "suck it up", I guess?

Canaris

2013-04-23, 07:12 AM

Indeed:D
Guess what I will be doing when they finally add in the commissar hat.

looking in envy at me wearing it :D

Qwan

2013-04-23, 07:30 AM

Insane relaod speed and a projectile velocity increase not enaugh for you?

Seriously THIS needs a buff acording to you?

Planetside 2: Siege Tank fueled up and ready to go! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R38-WVpih0&feature=share&list=FLWDrAmXAFTE7wl8zK_rE73g)

LOL Hmmmm so the TR is going to take a break on May 4th ok so alerts on that day will be a one way fight with the NC.

P.S. that tank video was frikin awesome, Im not seeing any issues there. :groovy:

Thunderhawk

2013-04-23, 07:41 AM

Please don't do the same on Miller guys, we really don't want to have to just fight the NC all night long, they don't really "challenge" us in the Tactical department....

http://soleboutique.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/oh-no-you-didnt.jpg?w=490

Goliith

2013-04-23, 08:30 AM

So...the only problem I have with TR is the way our Proximity mine works, that could use a tweak for sure, but I just started using it more like a claymore and less like a proxy mine and hey look at that, it gets gewd kills.

IMHO the Mossie is far and away the best ESF, having flown the scythe quite alot, the only advantage the scythe has IMO is that it's thinner and can fly through smaller gaps.

I for one LOVE Anchor mode on my prowler, and will LOVE Anchor mode on my MAX suits, so amazing if you can think tactically and not just run into death-zones.

I love our weapons for the most part, the T5 AMC is an amazing carbine, the TMG-50 is an amazing LMG,(I think thats the name?) The SR-7 and Rams .50 are great snipers, and our shotguns feel good.

I love the armor and color scheme for the terran, the only thing I yearn for now, is what the VS have going, where their composite armor gets Camo on it now, so when VS apply camo, they are camouflaged across about 90% of their character now. (I also dislike how terribly the camo for TR maxes gets applied)

I played an NC at launch, got to BR 10 and decided that it was not what I was hoping for from *Heavy Hitting* play style, Rolled Vanu with my boys and went to almost BR 39 before deciding I should have never left my years of Loyalty to the Red and Black in PS1, and barring some horrible nerf or game breaking mechanics, that wont be changing. TR - Loyalty Until Death!

MgFalcon

2013-04-23, 08:45 AM

May the 4th be with you!

Please tell me you saw this one coming! ;)

ThatGoatGuy

2013-04-23, 08:56 AM

Some TR are beginning to sound a bit like the Vanu. So many tears.

Oh the irony of an NC player trashtalking VS and TR QQers. Do you even get on the real PS2 forums? The NC consist of Q, Q, QQQQQQ.

"The reaver is the worst esf."
"Hacksaws are useless at range."
"Vertical recoil is impossible to compensate."

VS, shut your face and leave. It's our turn.

ChipMHazard

2013-04-23, 10:27 AM

looking in envy at me wearing it :D

Probably, yes:(

psijaka

2013-04-23, 12:33 PM

Nathaniak

2013-04-23, 12:36 PM

I do notice a lot of AP mine spam recently - never seen many before. Directionality is all well and good, but when each building has 87 entrances, it's easy for someome to come across them the wrong way and shoot them - they're also much more obvious than the other factions' weapons.

Prowler needs an aesthetics buff - the thing needs a diet. A tank that wide makes very little sense, especially with the off-centre weapon mount. Practically, Prowlers take up more space on a road, reducing the TR's capacity to advance with armour.

Canaris

2013-04-23, 12:49 PM

Probably, yes:(

No worries it'll be that great I'll gladly hook a brother up :trrocks: :thumbsup:

Assist

2013-04-23, 12:53 PM

So I had the idea, May 4th we will not fight, maybe we will only login in to see the weapon deal of the day, but we will not fight and not stay long logged in!

If 20% of the TR listened to this on Waterson, which wouldn't happen, then the TR would probably still outnumber the VS on Waterson.

Yeah so you wonder why TR is getting the least number of new players among all the factions these days?”

Waterson :
TR Average population last week: 36.54%
VS Average population last week: 27.74%

At the rate that more VS joined than TR on Waterson, the VS and TR should have equal population in <insert ridiculous number> ************MONTHS***********. UNTIL THAT POINT NO MORE WHINING.
edit: it's a lot longer than that, maths is hard
edit2: 59 months. I think - 5 years. HOLY SHIT, WE'RE SCREWED! ><

Falcon_br

2013-04-23, 02:02 PM

If 20% of the TR listened to this on Waterson, which wouldn't happen, then the TR would probably still outnumber the VS on Waterson.

Waterson :
TR Average population last week: 36.54%
VS Average population last week: 27.74%

At the rate that more VS joined than TR on Waterson, the VS and TR should have equal population in <insert ridiculous number> ************MONTHS***********. UNTIL THAT POINT NO MORE WHINING.
edit: it's a lot longer than that, maths is hard
edit2: 59 months. I think - 5 years. HOLY SHIT, WE'RE SCREWED! ><

Server Distribution as of 4/19/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=54

Totals:
NC-35.93%
TR-32.12%
VS-32.95%

Active Characters as of 4/01/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=3

Totals:
NC-36.07%
TR-32.59%
VS-31.35%

New Characters Created:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=2

Totals from 4/01/13 to 4/18/13
NC-68135
TR-58219
VS-66149

NC-35.39%
TR-30.24%
VS-34.36%

I do not have problems with population, Terran republic on Jaeger suffered to Vanu overpopulation for 3 months, after that it was the NC, as all TR we never gave up and even with the smallest population we manage to triple cap.
Since the merge with the Waterson we receive more members, but the combat effectiveness of them are not as good as it was before, in the last month NC overpopulated the server, now the gap is closer, but I am not complain about just one server, I am complain because if here we are on even terms with the NC I know that there must be servers where no TR play this game.

Assist

2013-04-23, 02:19 PM

Server Distribution as of 4/19/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=54

Totals:
NC-35.93%
TR-32.12%
VS-32.95%

Active Characters as of 4/01/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=3

Totals:
NC-36.07%
TR-32.59%
VS-31.35%

New Characters Created:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=2

Totals from 4/01/13 to 4/18/13
NC-68135
TR-58219
VS-66149

NC-35.39%
TR-30.24%
VS-34.36%

I do not have problems with population, Terran republic on Jaeger suffered to Vanu overpopulation for 3 months, after that it was the NC, as all TR we never gave up and even with the smallest population we manage to triple cap.
Since the merge with the Waterson we receive more members, but the combat effectiveness of them are not as good as it was before, in the last month NC overpopulated the server, now the gap is closer, but I am not complain about just one server, I am complain because if here we are on even terms with the NC I know that there must be servers where no TR play this game.
You do realize you play on a server with a faction of the lowest % population in the game right? The VS on Waterson have lower % population than any other faction in the game, on any server.

Also your complaint is about not gaining new recruits as fast as the other faction, which is a direct correlation to population.. so you are talking about a problem with population.

If you take the % of new characters that would belong to Waterson (13.03%), then how many of those characters for each faction (390tr/450vs a day?), and then the current population numbers from the server distribution(11308vs/14898tr weekly) it works out to like, 9 weeks of the current rate until the VS and TR populations would be equal. I think. That's assuming that those new characters who joined all stayed for each faction, which isn't true. If the retention rate of PS2 was like 30%(high imo), it'd be like 7 months or so until they were equal.

btw you were refering to Waterson in your second post that you already spoke to some Waterson outfits about this who agreed to it(wtf?). TR on Waterson have nothing to complain about when it comes to population.

Falcon_br

2013-04-23, 02:36 PM

You do realize you play on a server with a faction of the lowest % population in the game right? The VS on Waterson have lower % population than any other faction in the game, on any server.

Also your complaint is about not gaining new recruits as fast as the other faction, which is a direct correlation to population.. so you are talking about a problem with population.

If you take the % of new characters that would belong to Waterson (13.03%), then how many of those characters for each faction (390tr/450vs a day?), and then the current population numbers from the server distribution(11308vs/14898tr weekly) it works out to like, 9 weeks of the current rate until the VS and TR populations would be equal. I think. That's assuming that those new characters who joined all stayed for each faction, which isn't true. If the retention rate of PS2 was like 30%(high imo), it'd be like 7 months or so until they were equal.

btw you were refering to Waterson in your second post that you already spoke to some Waterson outfits about this who agreed to it(wtf?). TR on Waterson have nothing to complain about when it comes to population.

The under population is not the main concern here, we already got it and we can live with it, like I said before.
We are stopping because of:

________________________________________________
My thoughts on the TR getting the short end of stick plays out like this.

1. If we look back from when the game first launched the Magrider got more kills in one life on average than both the Vanguard and the Prowler combined. Yet it took well like 1-2 months to fix wasn't it? The HE Prowler wasn't even in its OP state for a full month, it got instantly nerfed.

2. People complained about the Carv being too Op, it got nerfed like what twice?

3. NC complained about flinch, it then gets removed making the only true disadvantage of using their guns disappear. (The recoil of NC guns is laughable for anyone who has decent experience in previous FPS games.)

4.NC population was never truly underpopulated and if it was it wasn't that long. Fast forward the NC complained a lot and they got repeatedly were indirectly buffed/ not nerfed so now they out populate the other factions on the majority of servers. NC had the entire fourth faction for over a month after stealing all Vanu's fourth faction, people complained about it, so they buff the VS instead of balancing the NC leaving TR with the only real faction disadvantage now.

5. After all tanks were the most balanced they had been in months and the good Vanu tankers were satisfied with the Magrider the Magrider had it's strafe buffed back. All in order to steal back forth faction from the NC.

6. NC Max was the best scoring Max for like 4-5 months, the other two factions complained about it non stop, and it only got balanced not over nerfed. Today it is still the highest scoring Max to date. After the balance, in which NC Maxes still get ludicrous damage against TR/VS Maxes, the best options for both the TR/VS the Mercies/Cosmos were nerfed even though no one complained about them and no one felt they were imbalanced.

7. To this date TR is the only faction where its faction specific is only part true. The advantage of high ROF is only partially true since many VS guns match them or even beat TR guns. For the HA the best overall gun right now is the TMG-50 which I believe is lowest firing LMG gun for the TR and is basically a direct downgrade of the Gauss Saw.

8. To date TR has the only MBT with a special ability that directly negates it's faction special trait which is ironically "going 5 KPH faster". After numerous dedicated tankers explained over countless months this was a horrible idea for the above reason and, sitting still is very bad on a battle field, an inaccurate off centered turret with high recoil was never meant for precision sniping, the developers ignored us to try to patch up a flawed Prowler concept. To date it remains completely situational, the only ability with a disadvantaged attached, and the only ability that actually makes you more vulnerable to being flanked.

9. With the release of the ESRL's the TR's Striker remains the only one which can be defensively certed against by vehicles (IR Smoke/ Flares), the only one which cannot dumbfire, and the only one which cannot kill turrets.

I still love TR, but I dislike the repeated short end of the stick being dealt to the TR all the same.

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Not written by me, but I think all TR agree 100%!

ThatGoatGuy

2013-04-23, 03:07 PM

It's because we're the fascists, we don't deserve buffs.

Assist

2013-04-23, 03:31 PM

It's because we're the fascists, we don't deserve buffs.

You don't deserve buffs because you're not under-performing, lol. You don't get buffs simply because other faction balancing was done or not done.

You are guys are ridiculous. Your complaints about your LMG can be used by the VS as well, welcome to Planetside where not every faction is the same.

The complaint about the MBT's is hilarious. You feel the Prowler should of been left OP longer, because the Magrider was ? LOL.

The complaint about the rate of fire is ridiculous as well, considering the RoF is only part of your faction traits. Are you going to ignore the Magazine size for some of your weapons? Thank god you're not VS, you'd be really crying then. TR have better overall RoF, higher magazine size, and the NC have higher damage with the same magazine size.

NC was underpopulated on quite a few servers. On Waterson for instance, the NC was the lowest population the first 2 months of the game(They were lower than the VS are now). Ignoring facts is not a good way to present your grievances.

Also, what is the TR's faction disadvantage that he mentioned? This whole fourth faction notion has turned out time and time again to be a complete load of shit. First it was the warpgate location. Remember all those posts about how the North Indar Warpgate gets all the 4th faction players? Wtf happened to that when the VS got it? I want our 4th factioners. Then it was the flinch mechanic. Then the faction colors. Next it's going to be the sound of the weapons? Seriously, anyone who believes the fourth faction shit has never taken two seconds to look at the population statistics on each server since release. The only conclusion you can draw in regards to faction balance is that it doesn't matter.

Illtempered

2013-04-23, 03:34 PM

We must be getting trolled....

This quote from a TR on Waterson must be a joke:

"The under population is not the main concern here, we already got it and we can live with it"

MrMak

2013-04-23, 03:59 PM

Also on the coplaint that Anchored mode palys against your main faction trait.

Your Tank's main faction trait is fireing rate. The speed is a secondary trait at best. Anchored mode most definatly does not play against that.

Ghoest9

2013-04-23, 05:19 PM

Oh the irony of an NC player trashtalking VS and TR QQers. Do you even get on the real PS2 forums? The NC consist of Q, Q, QQQQQQ.

"The reaver is the worst esf."
"Hacksaws are useless at range."
"Vertical recoil is impossible to compensate."

VS, shut your face and leave. It's our turn.

1 Everyone who isnt insane knows the reaver is the worst ESF. But maybe it doesnt matter since all ESF work just fine for killing ground targets.

2 Hacksaws are useless at range by design - not many people complained about that though - they just used it as a way to justify the extreme short range power.

3 Almost no one has ever said that you cant compensate for vertical recoil. Although at one time early on NC had diproportionate recoil and bloom relative to other factions.

Lucecarentes

2013-04-23, 05:27 PM

Not untill you endure the pain and suffering we went thru for 3+ months with only 20-25% pop while TR had 40%.
Also if you think this is bad than I'll just laught at you, you guys still have a good pop on most servers, unlike the VS who lost 50% of their pop 3 months ago and now is finally starting to get new recruits.

Greenthy

2013-04-23, 05:52 PM

Ghoest9

2013-04-23, 06:01 PM

It's sad that some replies justify imbalance complaints with previous imbalances.
Having been robbed I would not send thieves to my friends or fellow gamers.

I also feel that the TR faction is missing its differentiation, however with returning after a 4 month absence I won't judge the balance parts. But I felt that way back in beta, and here I am back in red. One does not become TR, one can only realise they have been from the start.

The game is bay far the most balanced it has been since release.

Nothing TR has is actually bad contrary to whiny opinion.
Some stuff they have may be worst by small margin and I know something they have are best by small margins. Most stuff is essentially equal.

TR the best ESF.
TR has the best LA carbine the Jaguar(and the Lynx is possibly the second best)
TR has the best range of options in pistols.

Basically the only 2 items they have that is possibly worse is the LMG and the MAX. Its my impression that the LMGs atre not actually worse if it is worse the difference is marginal. And MAXes are still being balanced.

bpostal

2013-04-23, 06:13 PM

The only problem with TR is that we see RED friendlies on the big map.

The rest is useless whining.

That's a big one. I should probably apologize to all the friendly AMSs and armor I call lib fire down on. I must have lost my ability to read a map because I can't tell who the hell owns what without taking an extra few seconds to verify that yes, blue means it's not ours and it's a coin flip to see if it's a VS AMS or if it belongs to Charlie squad. Unless it does. And now I'm not supposed to shoot the guys who are red.
Fuck it, I'm killing everything until I get weapons locked.

Falcon_br

2013-04-23, 06:59 PM

We must be getting trolled....

This quote from a TR on Waterson must be a joke:

"The under population is not the main concern here, we already got it and we can live with it"

Sometimes I think some people can´t understand a text.
We were underpopulated for 4 months to the VS.
2 Months to the NC.
In the last 2 week we are nearly in even terms with the NC.
So, just because in the last 2 weeks we got an edge you think we never had under population problems?
Also, just because I got "luck" to be in one of the two servers where the TR is not underpopulated, I should not be concerned about it?
And as I said, it is not the main concern, the concern here is why we are getting nerfed in a lots weapon that nobody ever complained about it, like the mercy and the t7 minigun.
And why do the prowler HE got nerfed in less them one month when the scat maxes ruled biolabs during 4 months!
Also the t9 carv was never that good to receive the nerf it received.
Why do the NC6 Gauss SAW got less horizontal recoil, got smaller first shot multi, more damage can equip a compensator to reduce vertical recoil that is not bad, is more precise and the t9 carv just sucks?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AuOojvNLMApVdEtIU1NKenEzNzZOSWNaanFqSUVxLW c&type=view&gid=12&f=true&colid0=17&filterstr0=LMG&sortcolid=-1&sortasc=true&rowsperpage=250

Since the release of the score per minutes with NS weapons where the TR is the best with all of them, it is cleared that the TR are been handicapped so the game can have a "balanced" game play, this is BULLSHIT!

Assist

2013-04-23, 08:13 PM

Sometimes I think some people can´t understand a text.
We were underpopulated for 4 months to the VS.
2 Months to the NC.
In the last 2 week we are nearly in even terms with the NC.
So, just because in the last 2 weeks we got an edge you think we never had under population problems?
Also, just because I got "luck" to be in one of the two servers where the TR is not underpopulated, I should not be concerned about it?

Jaeger was underpopulated for TR possibly, I don't know that situation. According to the VS from Jaeger they were not, but whatever. The TR on Waterson however, which is server you are now on, were routinely 45%+ until the month before the mergers when they dipped to 40%+ daily, when NC finally started to get some pop.

You need to realize you're on Waterson, not Jaeger.

Falcon_br

2013-04-24, 02:17 AM

Jaeger was underpopulated for TR possibly, I don't know that situation. According to the VS from Jaeger they were not, but whatever. The TR on Waterson however, which is server you are now on, were routinely 45%+ until the month before the mergers when they dipped to 40%+ daily, when NC finally started to get some pop.

You need to realize you're on Waterson, not Jaeger.

So, because they merged the servers that means I never played on a underpopulated server before?
Does it make any sense to you?
And we are complaining about the unnecessary nerfs we are receiving, losing population is an effect of it, We complain about the cause, not the consequence.

ShepardCommand

2013-04-24, 03:30 AM

1 Everyone who isnt insane knows the reaver is the worst ESF. But maybe it doesnt matter since all ESF work just fine for killing ground targets.

2 Hacksaws are useless at range by design - not many people complained about that though - they just used it as a way to justify the extreme short range power.

3 Almost no one has ever said that you cant compensate for vertical recoil. Although at one time early on NC had diproportionate recoil and bloom relative to other factions.

1. Any pilot who has piloted all 3 ESFs will tell you the Reaver is not as bad as you guys make it seem. Your rotary hits hella hard, Your faction specific AI gun is brutal against both air and ground targets. You can pull some of the most over-the-top vertical maneuvers in the game.

2. Extreme Short range?
You are joking i hope

3. NC guns have advantages and disadvantages, just like the other factions. Play to the faction that suits your playstyle or stop whining :)

Snipefrag

2013-04-24, 03:42 AM

ShepardCommand

2013-04-24, 04:59 AM

You have a point about the claymores... they are bloody terrible.. seriously, what were the devs thinking? The striker with no dumb fire/turret lock on... WHY? but either way I will still play on 4th.. you are TR.. man up sucker.

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

Nobody gets turret lock on anymore. So stop whining.

Claymores are amazing if you use them correctly. They just require more thought than their counterparts. Which of course is a problem for most TR, Their bootcamps pound the intelligence right out of them :lol:

p0intman

2013-04-24, 05:15 AM

if you are TR and VS and whine and think you are underpowered, you are a) bad or b) don't actually play. I err on the side of a there. most of you don't know how good you've got it. please take a helping of SHUT THE FUCK UP. Thanks.

MGP

2013-04-24, 05:18 AM

Corvo

2013-04-24, 05:20 AM

the T5 AMC is an amazing carbine
What? You are kidding, right? I know I wouldn't be able to write that with a straight face

TR has the best range of options in pistols.

Please elaborate. I'm actually starting to enjoy this thread :lol:

Assist

2013-04-24, 07:38 AM

So, because they merged the servers that means I never played on a underpopulated server before?
Does it make any sense to you?
And we are complaining about the unnecessary nerfs we are receiving, losing population is an effect of it, We complain about the cause, not the consequence.

ugh, you're complaining about losing population. You believe it's because of a HANDFUL of nerfs, probably less than the VS have received, and you are choosing to ignore the handful of buffs.

The TR population globally is the same as it was on release. The same cannot be said for the VS, who have lost 2% or the NC who have gained 2%. It seems rather evident that the population that the NC has gained didn't come from the TR, even though you claim they are being nerfed more than the rest! You're not even losing population, you're last of the three factions in number of NEW PLAYERS joining, most of which won't even stay! Guess what? Someone has to be last, for the first time it's finally the TR, and you guys are throwing a fit over it clamoring for buffs! You're not even underperforming, lols. As a faction, the TR still have more active characters than the VS and it will continue to be that way for MONTHS most likely.

You guys really need to learn the difference between bugs and bugged weapons, and intentional nerfs.

Ghoest9

2013-04-24, 07:44 AM

Please elaborate. I'm actually starting to enjoy this thread :lol:

Repeater - far and away the best point blank pistol.

NS-44 - far and away the best long range pistols.

Emperor and NS-357 - comparable to the other lame mid range pistols.

Seriously do you even play the game - this stuff is obvious.
Im starting to enjoy watching these ridiculous TR tears.

ThatGoatGuy

2013-04-24, 09:38 AM

Basically the only 2 items they have that is possibly worse is the LMG and the MAX. Its my impression that the LMGs atre not actually worse if it is worse the difference is marginal. And MAXes are still being balanced.

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, you trade me SAW for Carv and Mercy for Hacksaws and then you can start talking about "margins"...

ThatGoatGuy

2013-04-24, 09:41 AM

Claymores are amazing if you use them correctly. They just require more thought than their counterparts. Which of course is a problem for most TR, Their bootcamps pound the intelligence right out of them :lol:

Don't even get me started on the NC ones...:rofl:

Ruffdog

2013-04-24, 09:51 AM

Repeater - far and away the best point blank pistol.

Agreed. The suppressed repeater is my favourite sound in all of PS2

Gimpylung

2013-04-24, 10:38 AM

May 4th, the day a very very tiny percentage of TR that read and agreed with the OP play VS and NC alts.

Well done, the casual TR players that play anyway will think the organised outfits are assholes for condoning this and you will damage the influence you have over them.

Way to damage your own empire.

The empires have been getting nerfs and buffs in cycles since 2003, balance is always in a state of flux. Accept it, and just play the game. The balance will be different again in a few weeks and somebody else will be whining.

Dragonskin

2013-04-24, 10:59 AM

I don't understand what this 1 day boycott plans to achieve. Normally you boycott something that you have to spend money on... goods... supplies... like gasoline. A 1 day boycott can severely hamper the oil companies because if enough people do it they will see a drastic decrease in profit for the day.

You don't have to pay anything to play PS2... the majority of the player base doesn't spend much on the game at all. The people on these forums likely do.. but we are on these forums because we care about the game more than most. So say you get a few hundred people to not show up for 1 faction for 1 day.... who really cares? Would SOE even notice since the game is F2P?

I like PSU, but I seriously doubt this boycott would have any noticeable effect. It's a known fact that most players don't visit forums... I would says probably 10% of the player base gives a damn about the official forums. PSU would be a even smaller cut because lets face it... PSU isn't official as much as we like to call this forums our home... it doesn't draw as many players as the official site. Then factor in to that the only a fraction of that small fraction only plays TR... come on..

BlazingSun

2013-04-24, 11:06 AM

ChipMHazard

2013-04-24, 11:49 AM

Some points are valid, like the AP mine thing. But other than that, you TRs should play NC for one day to change your perspective a bit. Use the Vanguard .. the Reaver and "best" of all the NC infantry weapons like the Gauss Saw for example. Compair them to what you have access to as TR, then go back to your TR characters and be happy.

Personally I feels like the Vanguard is better at being a tank and I really enjoy using the NC firearms... So, yeah they stack up rather nicely to the TR in that respect. I don't see anything wrong with the Reaver, at least not when I'm getting gunned down by it.

Seems like there are too many people thinking that their faction is the hardest to play and that the other factions have it so much easier. This includes TR players.

Don't like something? Fine, then offer up constructive criticism about it and hope they change it. The game most certainly still needs a lot of balancing/tweaking done, and this will continue to be the case for the forseeable future.
Boycotting the game on a specific date won't lead to anything productive, especially since so few would actually do it.

Wahooo

2013-04-24, 11:57 AM

Well done, the casual TR players that play anyway will think the organised outfits are assholes for condoning this and you will damage the influence you have over them.

Way to damage your own empire.

Pretty much this. The biggest disadvantage the TR have on Waterson is the TR that play on Waterson.

Bags

2013-04-24, 12:03 PM

at no point in the game's life have I found any of the 3 factions hard

i mean pretty much everything instagibs everything so it's not like it matters what weapons you have lol...

KodanBlack

2013-04-24, 12:30 PM

Wasn't it the majority of TR players not too long ago telling the VS to suck it up when we were nerfed into being the faction with the lowest population, while their Prowlers reigned supreme on the battlefield?

Seriously though, I do disagree with the nerfs that the TR, and everyone else, have been getting. THANK YOU OP WHINERS!

Falcon_br

2013-04-24, 01:11 PM

ugh, you're complaining about losing population. You believe it's because of a HANDFUL of nerfs, probably less than the VS have received, and you are choosing to ignore the handful of buffs.

The TR population globally is the same as it was on release. The same cannot be said for the VS, who have lost 2% or the NC who have gained 2%. It seems rather evident that the population that the NC has gained didn't come from the TR, even though you claim they are being nerfed more than the rest! You're not even losing population, you're last of the three factions in number of NEW PLAYERS joining, most of which won't even stay! Guess what? Someone has to be last, for the first time it's finally the TR, and you guys are throwing a fit over it clamoring for buffs! You're not even underperforming, lols. As a faction, the TR still have more active characters than the VS and it will continue to be that way for MONTHS most likely.

You guys really need to learn the difference between bugs and bugged weapons, and intentional nerfs.

Server Distribution as of 4/19/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=54

Totals:
NC-35.93%
TR-32.12%
VS-32.95%

Active Characters as of 4/01/13:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=3

Totals:
NC-36.07%
TR-32.59%
VS-31.35%

New Characters Created:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=2

Totals from 4/01/13 to 4/18/13
NC-68135
TR-58219
VS-66149

NC-35.39%
TR-30.24%
VS-34.36%

I do not have problems with population, Terran republic on Jaeger suffered to Vanu overpopulation for 3 months, after that it was the NC, as all TR we never gave up and even with the smallest population we manage to triple cap.
Since the merge with the Waterson we receive more members, but the combat effectiveness of them are not as good as it was before, in the last month NC overpopulated the server, now the gap is closer, but I am not complain about just one server, I am complain because if here we are on even terms with the NC I know that there must be servers where no TR play this game.

Read it again, there are graphics on it, at least look at them.

I don't understand what this 1 day boycott plans to achieve. Normally you boycott something that you have to spend money on... goods... supplies... like gasoline. A 1 day boycott can severely hamper the oil companies because if enough people do it they will see a drastic decrease in profit for the day.

You don't have to pay anything to play PS2... the majority of the player base doesn't spend much on the game at all. The people on these forums likely do.. but we are on these forums because we care about the game more than most. So say you get a few hundred people to not show up for 1 faction for 1 day.... who really cares? Would SOE even notice since the game is F2P?

I like PSU, but I seriously doubt this boycott would have any noticeable effect. It's a known fact that most players don't visit forums... I would says probably 10% of the player base gives a damn about the official forums. PSU would be a even smaller cut because lets face it... PSU isn't official as much as we like to call this forums our home... it doesn't draw as many players as the official site. Then factor in to that the only a fraction of that small fraction only plays TR... come on..

May 4th, the day a very very tiny percentage of TR that read and agreed with the OP play VS and NC alts.

Well done, the casual TR players that play anyway will think the organised outfits are assholes for condoning this and you will damage the influence you have over them.

Way to damage your own empire.

The empires have been getting nerfs and buffs in cycles since 2003, balance is always in a state of flux. Accept it, and just play the game. The balance will be different again in a few weeks and somebody else will be whining.

First of all, at least on Waterson I have already made arrangements with some outfits to stop may 4th, when it is official, names of the supporters will be here, I know that without those outfits people will not do anything on the server. I am already in contact with outfits from other servers, but not great ones.
We are not damaging the empire, we are protesting, understand that when people log on the game and see the population be under 20% they will start asking what is going on, it will spread what we are trying to show them.
I really think a SC boycott won´t work, because I will not tell what you should do with your money and it is already too late for that, who was going to get the striker already got it and it just sucks when with the others ESRL.
Show them a very low population on all servers it is just a prediction of what all those nerfs are doing to us.
I am still pissed of since they change the Cycler from anti tank to anti personal, but that´s not the point here.
And I really don´t care if you are going to create a soldier in another empire, if you play with another faction, see it is much more easier and don´t come back to the TR, you were not a true TR and don´t belong here, I am ok with that.

Wasn't it the majority of TR players not too long ago telling the VS to suck it up when we were nerfed into being the faction with the lowest population, while their Prowlers reigned supreme on the battlefield?

Seriously though, I do disagree with the nerfs that the TR, and everyone else, have been getting. THANK YOU OP WHINERS!

Sorry dude, it was not us, check again the topics to see from which faction the complaining was coming from.

Juryrig

2013-04-24, 01:19 PM

Seems like there are too many people thinking that their faction is the hardest to play and that the other factions have it so much easier. This includes TR players.

In itself that is an indication that balance is probably not too far off; when everyone thinks they are UP, it's good evidence that no-one is.

ChipMHazard

2013-04-24, 01:21 PM

In itself that is an indication that balance is probably not too far off; when everyone thinks they are UP, it's good evidence that no-one is.

Heh, true enough:p

Dragonskin

2013-04-24, 01:29 PM

We are not damaging the empire, we are protesting, understand that when people log on the game and see the population be under 20% they will start asking what is going on, it will spread what we are trying to show them.

Good luck, I honestly doubt anyone will notice and if they do they probably won't care. Less TR means easier time controlling the 3 continents and if your world pop drops low enough to trigger an alert then the NC and VS will thank you for your endeavors as they reap the benefits.

Falcon_br

2013-04-24, 02:07 PM

Good luck, I honestly doubt anyone will notice and if they do they probably won't care. Less TR means easier time controlling the 3 continents and if your world pop drops low enough to trigger an alert then the NC and VS will thank you for your endeavors as they reap the benefits.

I don´t have a problem with that, we can triple cap anytime we want, we don´t have the numbers or the gear, but we are the Terran Republic!
The main concern is keeping the Indar bonus, but I really think a patch will come before may 4th and we will lose the control of Indar or a rotation will happen.

MyOdessa

2013-04-24, 02:32 PM

I agree with OP and will not play TR on May 4. TR has least amount of new characters created and is losing population now, according to population stats.
To be honest, I believe that fucking Higby is nerfing PS2 into oblivion, not just TR faction. I want hard counter to weapons, not nerfs. On top of that, if I pay SC for a weapon and learn to use it, I don't want it nerfed a month later, just because Higby listens to whiners and doesn't have a clue how to improve PS2.

Personally I would prefer all factions taking a day off, to protest weapons nerfs in the PS2.

Juryrig

2013-04-24, 02:37 PM

To be honest, I believe that fucking Higby is nerfing PS2 into oblivion, not just TR faction. I want hard counter to weapons, not nerfs. On top of that, if I pay SC for a weapon and learn to use it, I don't want it nerfed a month later,

This is the reality of internet games. Perhaps they're just not for you?

DeltaGun

2013-04-24, 02:51 PM

TR weapons are still really good. They had to be nerfed because they were a little over the top in a few areas. As far as LMGs go, VS and TR are pretty even but the NC has the best ones.

Mustakrakish

2013-04-24, 03:15 PM

Yes, by all means, boycott the game for a day. That will definitely solve all the problems.

God forbid anyone should write a well-thought-out letter to the developers filled with logical arguments for the changes that they want to see.

Assist

2013-04-24, 03:34 PM

Next the NC are going to start losing population and we're going to see a whining thread about how they get nerfed all the time.

People are ridiculous. Active characters are what matters, the VS are still losing more active characters month to month than the TR. If anyone should be staging any sort of hissyfit party it should be the VS.
The whining about the CARV really gets me, go look at the comparison charts of faction LMG's vs. each other before you whine about how bad your guns are.

MyOdessa

2013-04-24, 04:25 PM

This is the reality of internet games. Perhaps they're just not for you?

With your stats, I would not be advising people on reality of internet games.

Wahooo

2013-04-24, 04:28 PM

First of all, at least on Waterson I have already made arrangements with some outfits to stop may 4th, when it is official, names of the supporters will be here, I know that without those outfits people will not do anything on the server. I am already in contact with outfits from other servers, but not great ones.

Good I want to know who to hold the grudge against.

So friggen childish. Screw you guys, I'm going home!!!! - YouTube

As well when you look at the number of new toons being created what does that mean really?
I got 3 new slots unlocked so what did I do? 1 TR and 2 VS. One of the VS was on Waterson. It means nothing to the overall population because i've probably played 2 hours on that toon but I still log in every day to clear my cert queue.
Your statistics are inherently flawed due to reasons like this. IN GAME TR are equal to or just under by only a couple % to the NC and VS are still usually around 28%. That is what the server spread normally is around prime time when you log in and look at global pop.

Sentrosi

2013-04-24, 04:38 PM

No.
Not gonna happen to the Dragon Wolves. Even if we're the only TR playing on Waterson, we'll just burrow deep into the enemy territory and be that annoying little tick that you can't get rid of.

With your stats, I would not be advising people on reality of internet games.
That's a real low blow Odessa. Really low. Judging how one plays the game by their K/D is so much like CoD/BF kiddies. We're Planetside 2. We're above that.

Or at least I thought so.

Dragonskin

2013-04-24, 04:41 PM

I got 3 new slots unlocked so what did I do? 1 TR and 2 VS. One of the VS was on Waterson. It means nothing to the overall population because i've probably played 2 hours on that toon but I still log in every day to clear my cert queue.
Your statistics are inherently flawed due to reasons like this. IN GAME TR are equal to or just under by only a couple % to the NC and VS are still usually around 28%. That is what the server spread normally is around prime time when you log in and look at global pop.

Funny, I have a NC on Waterson that I created recently just because... log in and collect certs with him thanks to the membership bonuses. I might play him eventually but so far he is just a cert collector.

p0intman

2013-04-24, 04:42 PM

Good thing i got an NC toon. All those overpowered weapons to play with.
Thanks Higby!

i cannot comprehend the level of idiocy it takes to think that NC is OP.

http://almostdumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/my-head-is-full-of-billions-and-billions-of-fuck.jpg

Dragonskin

2013-04-24, 04:43 PM

i cannot comprehend the level of idiocy it takes to think that NC is OP.

NC is totally OP! They have guns and stuff!

Sledgecrushr

2013-04-24, 04:47 PM

This is kind of a petulant act. Suck it up cupcake and fight harder.

ChipMHazard

2013-04-24, 05:24 PM

i cannot comprehend the level of idiocy it takes to think that NC is OP.

About as idiotic as NC claiming that they aren't as powerful as the rest:p

Silent Thunder

2013-04-24, 05:26 PM

About as idiotic as NC claiming that they aren't as powerful as the rest:p

Dunno, we DID get a pretty shitty Tron camo for our Reaver. Then again, poor VS guys got it worse. They got what? Two stripes? :rofl:

maradine

2013-04-24, 05:38 PM

With your stats, I would not be advising people on reality of internet games.

You may just have won the Q2 award for Most Stunningly Worthless Comment in an Online Forum. I'll wait to see the official score card before putting on the tux, but I'm calling it now. See you at the afterparty!

ChipMHazard

2013-04-24, 06:20 PM

Dunno, we DID get a pretty shitty Tron camo for our Reaver. Then again, poor VS guys got it worse. They got what? Two stripes? :rofl:

:lol:

Ghoest9

2013-04-24, 06:21 PM

I'll say it once and I'll say it again, you trade me SAW for Carv and Mercy for Hacksaws and then you can start talking about "margins"...

I would be thrilled to make that trade if we could get your Jaguar for our Razor and your Mossy for our Reaver.

Ghoest9

2013-04-24, 06:26 PM

Rothnang

2013-04-24, 06:31 PM

Siege mode is extremely good. When that crap gets added to MAXes TR will basically be completely immune to air attack.

Juryrig

2013-04-24, 07:21 PM

With your stats, I would not be advising people on reality of internet games.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::rofl:

Sea of Ink

2013-04-24, 07:27 PM

I say we all create TR characters on May 4 and play all day! Sounds like fun!

Wahooo

2013-04-24, 07:47 PM

Siege mode is extremely good. When that crap gets added to MAXes TR will basically be completely immune to air attack.

One of the things that makes the buster superior to the skyguard is that the burster when caught out in the open can move sideways or just keep moving or use terrain to block rocketpod damage. I have yet to be killed in a burster in a single volley of rocketpods. It happens ALL the time in a skyguard one pass - dead.

Locking down and stationary will be an amazing benefit to TTK to TR bursters but at a very high cost. Unless the TTK of the burster is equal to or higher than the TTK from the rocket pods it is NOT an I win button it is pain. You've seen the videos of ESFs making low passes by air pads on biolabs and towers right? Well locking down a burster in with one of those pilots around is suicide.

The only thing that will change is the bad pilots that do get shot down by bursters will get shot down faster. Locked down bursters will die more than there slower firing yet mobile counter parts.

Falcon_br

2013-04-24, 10:58 PM

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/882980457496515585/A648879816DC812D381F3216CBB86941A60E97D9/

Taken 5 minutes ago.
I really think next week will be worst for the TR.

Kail

2013-04-24, 11:07 PM

Taken 5 minutes ago.
I really think next week will be worst for the TR.

Waterson is East Coast, correct?

Which means its 11pm, in the middle of a work week, with two factions have equal population (and one faction having a clear dominance). I'm not seeing any cause for alarm.

Edit: Just to be clear, my point about the current time means that it's past prime time and off-peak hours will vary more since lots of people are in bed. / going to bed.

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 12:41 AM

Waterson is East Coast, correct?

Which means its 11pm, in the middle of a work week, with two factions have equal population (and one faction having a clear dominance). I'm not seeing any cause for alarm.

Edit: Just to be clear, my point about the current time means that it's past prime time and off-peak hours will vary more since lots of people are in bed. / going to bed.

Clearly doom and gloom... the end of TR.. they are exactly equal to VS in that shot. How terrible? Let's also not forget that DVS is on Waterson.. probably one of the biggest NC outfits next to 666th. Come on man! You need a better shot before anyone will believe you. How about you get one where VS and NC out number TR during prime time?

Mordelicius

2013-04-25, 12:43 AM

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 12:54 AM

But really, TR:
- 2nd best guns
- 1st in tanks
- 2nd in ESF
- 2nd in Max
- 2nd in ESRL

NC:
- 3rd in guns
- 3rd in tanks
- 3rd in ESF
- 1st in Max
- 3rd in ESRL

Vanu:
- 1st in guns
- 2nd in tanks
- 1st in ESF
- 3rd in Max
- 1st in ESRL

Wow you seriously think the Vanguard is the worst tank? I have to ask if you have bothered playing with the others. Personally even though the magrider is better than it was before the nerf.. it still is no where near where it was at release. The prowler is still a beast, but the vanguard.. you can't go toe to toe with a vanguard in any other tank.

Looks like you gave NC the best max... probably only because no one else would even think your were credible if you put it lower than first. How are your guns the worst? Which ones are that bad? You have some of the best default guns in the game.. period. I think you got 3 out of 5 correct for NC which are the ESRL, ESF and Max... Vangaurd is awesome and your weapons are far from crap.

Sifer2

2013-04-25, 01:52 AM

It's almost amusing how it's like a mirror of the early Planetside. Nerf TR/VS and keep buffing NC until their population is way higher.

Personally I already quite playing since TR kind the bum end of the deal on Rocket Launchers with no dumbfire, and shotguns are still OP including ScatMAX. Stuff like their AP mine not even being remotely comparable to the others shows it's the faction that receives the least attention from the devs unless they feel they need to nerf it to give NC horde more of a morale boost.

Mordelicius

2013-04-25, 05:25 AM

Wow you seriously think the Vanguard is the worst tank? I have to ask if you have bothered playing with the others. Personally even though the magrider is better than it was before the nerf.. it still is no where near where it was at release. The prowler is still a beast, but the vanguard.. you can't go toe to toe with a vanguard in any other tank.

Looks like you gave NC the best max... probably only because no one else would even think your were credible if you put it lower than first. How are your guns the worst? Which ones are that bad? You have some of the best default guns in the game.. period. I think you got 3 out of 5 correct for NC which are the ESRL, ESF and Max... Vangaurd is awesome and your weapons are far from crap.
The Prowler is still the best anti-infantry tank. It has the most efficient DPS(able to dish out in a whim). It has an anchor mode. It has speed.

Magriders are still hard to hit. Recently got strafe buffed as well. Always accurate, always front-facing. They are only vulnerable when they are close.

Vanguards are glorified Lightning. Sitting duck and easy to hit. Might as well rename them Blownguards. :lol: Now I don't use tanks, but I repair them under fire as always. Against even the newer ESRL, where do you hide a lumbering target?

As for weapons, our 200 damage weapons are hard to ADS move, hard to hip fire too. With the ACX having low ammo load of 20 (lol) and Gauss having a gigantic hipfire cone and a stunting ads limit (pick your poison). TR and Vanu automatically think 200 damage Gauss + low Rate of fire = win because you're all using easy to aim, hit and move weapons (to an effect: 'if only this gun has 200 damage even with low rof'). You're forgetting the limitations of the Gauss.

With all the ADAD spamming/macro going on, jet packing, bunny hopping as well (that throws off hit registration), having low rate of fire with severe movement/cone limitations ain't good for CQC.
Players mainly use them for long range sniping with high scope, since it has an accurate first shot.

Emperor Newt

2013-04-25, 05:41 AM

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/882980457496515585/A648879816DC812D381F3216CBB86941A60E97D9/

Taken 5 minutes ago.
I really think next week will be worst for the TR.
Come join VS on Miller.

Snydenthur

2013-04-25, 05:42 AM

As for weapons, our 200 damage weapons are hard to ADS move, hard to hip fire too. With the ACX having low ammo load of 20 (lol) and Gauss having a gigantic hipfire cone and a stunting ads limit (pick your poison). TR and Vanu automatically think 200 damage Gauss + low Rate of fire = win because you're all using easy to aim, hit and move weapons (to an effect: 'if only this gun has 200 damage even with low rof'). You're forgetting the limitations of the Gauss.

But at the same time nc thinks that havíng a good rof or "tiny" recoil (since recoil is very much the same if mouse is just pulled down) is a superior benefit. Every faction in the game thinks that one or both of the opposing factions are better in every case, when in truth, the differences are so minimal that it doesn't really matter.

Ghoest9

2013-04-25, 07:06 AM

On may 4th Ill be playing my TR alt and owning everyone with my Jaguar.

psijaka

2013-04-25, 08:11 AM

With your stats, I would not be advising people on reality of internet games.

Pretty lame to critisize someone's comments because of their stats when you don't even show the name of your character to let people check your stats.

And since when was PS2 about stats? It's an objective based team game.

Shamrock

2013-04-25, 09:02 AM

There's a lot of "grass is greener" syndrome going on in this thread.

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 09:29 AM

Now I don't use tanks, but I repair them under fire as always.

I think the fact that you state you don't use tanks pretty much makes your tank arguement invalid. I actually typed out a long winded explaination showing the strengths of the vanguard, but if you don't actually use tanks it's wasted comments. I highly suggest you actually use the vehicles you want to debate about.

Gimpylung

2013-04-25, 10:40 AM

There's a lot of "grass in greener" syndrome going on in this thread.

There sure is Shamrock

Assist

2013-04-25, 10:44 AM

One of the things that makes the buster superior to the skyguard is that the burster when caught out in the open can move sideways or just keep moving or use terrain to block rocketpod damage. I have yet to be killed in a burster in a single volley of rocketpods. It happens ALL the time in a skyguard one pass - dead.

That's because MAX's are small and the splash damage on Rocket Pods is fairly weak. Lightnings are very easy to line up and kill, MAX's are not. Part of it is the maneuverability, but it's more that it's extremely hard to direct hit a MAX with rocket pods compared to a tank. I personally use my Hailstorm to kill MAX units.

Assist

2013-04-25, 10:51 AM

Taken 5 minutes ago.
I really think next week will be worst for the TR.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/PS2/d957ae78-4993-4aac-aa4f-9ee7b6865a17_zps1826bd06.jpg (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/Sennheiser/media/PS2/d957ae78-4993-4aac-aa4f-9ee7b6865a17_zps1826bd06.jpg.html)

That's from this past week, on Waterson. I play between 5pm-10pm, most likely that was somewhere around 5-7pm.
Stop trying to play it off as if you're hurting on Waterson, it's fucking disgusting. It literally has been 2 weeks SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE GAME that the TR has not been the highest population on Waterson, and even now you're split with NC most of the time.

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 11:47 AM

It literally has been 2 weeks SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE GAME that the TR has not been the highest population on Waterson, and even now you're split with NC most of the time.

As a TR on Waterson I absolutely back this up. Prime time most nights it's TR and NC at about equal with VS dragging behind.

Actually to go with this.. I wish I could move my VS to Waterson to help get their count up sometimes. Unfortunately and I guess fortunately the VS on Mattherson have never had a population problem largely due to TEST, Azure Twilight and Ghost of the Revolution being there. On the flip side TR on Mattherson does usually have the lower population.. but that is a combination of NC and VS having more large outfits and The Enclave driving TR away.

Silent Thunder

2013-04-25, 12:27 PM

As a TR on Waterson I absolutely back this up. Prime time most nights it's TR and NC at about equal with VS dragging behind.

Actually to go with this.. I wish I could move my VS to Waterson to help get their count up sometimes. Unfortunately and I guess fortunately the VS on Mattherson have never had a population problem largely due to TEST, Azure Twilight and Ghost of the Revolution being there. On the flip side TR on Mattherson does usually have the lower population.. but that is a combination of NC and VS having more large outfits and The Enclave driving TR away.

I wouldn't blame The Enclave as much as AOD, at least in this case, seeing how AOD seems to suck up a good portion of the recruit pool, forcing any other outfit out by attrition. It, and Bay12 (The Dwarf Fortress forum group) finally getting their act together as NC on the same server, is why I no longer play TR on Matherson. I do wish they went VS or TR instead of NC but hey, I'll take my longterm loyalty over my Empire loyalty any day.

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 12:36 PM

I wouldn't blame The Enclave as much as AOD, at least in this case, seeing how AOD seems to suck up a good portion of the recruit pool, forcing any other outfit out by attrition. It, and Bay12 (The Dwarf Fortress forum group) finally getting their act together as NC on the same server, is why I no longer play TR on Matherson. I do wish they went VS or TR instead of NC but hey, I'll take my longterm loyalty over my Empire loyalty any day.

You're right I do see a lot of AOD about, but I know we have people in GOTR and I knew people in AT that converted to VS because of The Enclave. I also know that a few outfits on Waterson TR refused to come to Mattherson because of The Enclave... so that outfit definitely impacts the TR population just by being there. So I guess it is mostly a situation of TE pushing people away.. people that want to stay join AOD. I have noticed quite a few BWC tags lately, but I mostly enjoy those guys because they are challenging.

On Waterson you had Brit (Totalbiscuit's outfit) and the Angry Army that started out pulling tons of people to Waterson on TR. Then both of those youtubers moved on.. although Totalbiscuit is re-organizing his outfit and will probably come back. So anyway, Waterson was THE TR hub for the first couple months. Now TR is definitely lower pop than it was, but still not suffering nearly as bad as VS.. VS are almost always low pop on Waterson.

Falcon_br

2013-04-25, 01:05 PM

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/PS2/d957ae78-4993-4aac-aa4f-9ee7b6865a17_zps1826bd06.jpg (http://s389.photobucket.com/user/Sennheiser/media/PS2/d957ae78-4993-4aac-aa4f-9ee7b6865a17_zps1826bd06.jpg.html)

That's from this past week, on Waterson. I play between 5pm-10pm, most likely that was somewhere around 5-7pm.
Stop trying to play it off as if you're hurting on Waterson, it's fucking disgusting. It literally has been 2 weeks SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE GAME that the TR has not been the highest population on Waterson, and even now you're split with NC most of the time.

Sometimes I really think you can't understand a single word of what I am writing.
The screenshot was taken on the time when there are most active players on the server, plus or less one hour.
Yeah, 2 hours late when the alert ended most people went to the bed and NC got 44% world population for the rest of the night.
I take screenshots with steam, they get marked with the time it was taken, I can prove when I took those screenshots.
The game has been release 2 weeks for you? Sorry dude, I don't know where you were on the past months, but I am playing since November.
Also we got rule on Planetside 2, stop calling the game as Beta, it is not good for it and it is not true, go play all battlefields on release version so you can really know what a Beta is.
And for the last time, this is not the main concern here, but I really think next week I will post more screenshots here where the Vanu will have more population them the TR on Waterson, just wait and go read a book, it helps you in text comprehension.

maradine

2013-04-25, 01:08 PM

While it would be technically possible for you to whine harder, I don't think you have it in you.

I stand corrected! Nice work!

yozzer

2013-04-25, 01:14 PM

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b46/yozzer4/may-the-force-be-with-you_zpsa69149f0.jpg

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 01:19 PM

And for the last time, this is not the main concern here, but I really think next week I will post more screenshots here where the Vanu will have more population them the TR on Waterson, just wait and go read a book, it helps you in text comprehension.

Hahaha, ok. We will wait.

If you can pull off this feat it will be interesting. However, VS has been low pop for 6 months now. What do you prove in the end? That TR on Waterson have quit or moved? We know they moved. Most of them started moving when BRIT and AA died off. To add to this.. we all know the draw that youtubers get. Are you aware that there are 2 growing planetside youtubers on Waterson that are VS and NC? We already know the effect of having extremely famous youtubers on TR... so you don't think these 2 youtubers might be pulling people to their faction? I know that is part of the reason I made my NC on Waterson TheKoolAidLine is on there. You have Warpath Wrel on the VS side. Just saying... their subscriber numbers are rising and as far as Waterson is concerned it could influence faction populations.

Assist

2013-04-25, 01:31 PM

Sometimes I really think you can't understand a single word of what I am writing.
The screenshot was taken on the time when there are most active players on the server, plus or less one hour.
Yeah, 2 hours late when the alert ended most people went to the bed and NC got 44% world population for the rest of the night.
I take screenshots with steam, they get marked with the time it was taken, I can prove when I took those screenshots.
The game has been release 2 weeks for you? Sorry dude, I don't know where you were on the past months, but I am playing since November.
Also we got rule on Planetside 2, stop calling the game as Beta, it is not good for it and it is not true, go play all battlefields on release version so you can really know what a Beta is.
And for the last time, this is not the main concern here, but I really think next week I will post more screenshots here where the Vanu will have more population them the TR on Waterson, just wait and go read a book, it helps you in text comprehension.

Complete troll?

The date of that particular screenshot is 4-17, as I also take mine through steam. I've never been the best with grammar, perhaps I missed a comma or two in that sentence so I'll re-type it for you.

There has only been 2 weeks, since the release of Planetside 2, that the TR have not been the top population faction on the Waterson server. Even now, the TR split population with the NC for the highest on the server. During primetime hours for the Waterson server the TR and NC populations are averaging 10% higher than the VS. Any other Waterson player will attest to this.

I also don't know what you're talking about with a beta. I never mentioned the word beta.

Wahooo

2013-04-25, 01:31 PM

That's because MAX's are small and the splash damage on Rocket Pods is fairly weak. Lightnings are very easy to line up and kill, MAX's are not. Part of it is the maneuverability, but it's more that it's extremely hard to direct hit a MAX with rocket pods compared to a tank. I personally use my Hailstorm to kill MAX units.

Fair enough, but it still means just like in PS1 a locked down burster is fodder for good pilots and bad pilots will just die faster.

I am so CONFUSED at this whole population % argument. TR are consistently around 33% on Waterson. When the NC are at 40% it is the VS pop that bottomed out... TR are still at 32-34%.

Really it is this type of craptastic "oh woe is me" threads that kill a population. REad this thread... even if you disagree with the points in the first thread and think the factions are pretty well balanced does it make you want to play TR on Waterson?
i'll be damned if I want to team-up with a bunch of whiny fucking quitters.

Illtempered

2013-04-25, 05:07 PM

Falcon_br

2013-04-25, 07:26 PM

"We can triple-cap any time" lmfao...

TR on Waterson can do nothing of the sort. The only time I've ever seen them take continents was when their pop was ridiculously high.

Since the merge, and only during prime-time, NC has consistently matched, our out-pop'd them. For him to imply that VS pop rivals TR's, or ever has on Waterson, is a complete joke though. OP is either a total nub, or just a troll.

Hey we aren't crying. We love our pop xp bonus.

Last time we did, it was last Sunday afternoon. With the server with a queue Line (very small one).
Please, don´t confuse us with the VS on Waterson that everyday they siege the SE Warp gate, but cannot conquest Indar even when they get more population then everyone else in the continent and hold the North warpgate.

Mordelicius

2013-04-25, 10:44 PM

I think the fact that you state you don't use tanks pretty much makes your tank arguement invalid. I actually typed out a long winded explaination showing the strengths of the vanguard, but if you don't actually use tanks it's wasted comments. I highly suggest you actually use the vehicles you want to debate about.

I don't use Max, ESFs or ESRL either. But according to you, I got it correct "3 out of 5" without prevarication :lol:

@topic: go ahead, I'm sure NC woudn't mind going for the triple cap freedom party! :groovy:

Dragonskin

2013-04-25, 11:43 PM

I don't use Max, ESFs or ESRL either. But according to you, I got it correct "3 out of 5" without prevarication :lol:

@topic: go ahead, I'm sure NC woudn't mind going for the triple cap freedom party! :groovy:

Don't flatter yourself. You got 3 out of 5 right because if you answered any different people would call you out on it.

psijaka

2013-04-26, 08:14 AM

I am so CONFUSED at this whole population % argument. TR are consistently around 33% on Waterson. When the NC are at 40% it is the VS pop that bottomed out... TR are still at 32-34%.

The new members stats may be worrying, but TR pop levels appear to be pretty healthy on Ceres and Miller too; at times yesterday evening they had the highest pop levels during the busy period (server populations "medium"). There are always likely to be big disparities when most people have quit for the night, and there's not much that can be done about that; but it's the "prime time" pop levels that are important. And right now, I would say that the VS are the underdogs in this respect.

Really it is this type of craptastic "oh woe is me" threads that kill a population. REad this thread... even if you disagree with the points in the first thread and think the factions are pretty well balanced does it make you want to play TR on Waterson?
i'll be damned if I want to team-up with a bunch of whiny fucking quitters.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Nothing more guaranteed to put off a potential recruit.

And the proposed boycott is completely unjustified anyway; an utter waste of time that will achieve NOTHING even if a significant number of TR do enter self pity mode for the day. I disagree with the reasons behind it and I'm sorely tempted to create a new TR alt on Waterson just for the day.

Ghoest9

2013-04-26, 08:31 AM

And the proposed boycott is completely unjustified anyway; an utter waste of time that will achieve NOTHING even if a significant number of TR do enter self pity mode for the day. I disagree with the reasons behind it and I'm sorely tempted to create a new TR alt on Waterson just for the day.

This whole thing is a classic "forum scam" where a few people have decided to make a big deal about nothing on several different sites in order to trick devs into giving them a buff. Mainly because they are resentful of no longer being the top dog.

Im not saying they sat down and conspired but all observant long time game board posters can see which way the wind is blowing and they know when to try this trick.

Dragonskin

2013-04-26, 09:09 AM

Falcon_br

2013-04-26, 02:12 PM

Meh, going to play my TR on Waterson on May 4th now. I've been on a real VS kick lately, but I know my outfit on Waterson could give a crap about any boycott. So we will go around causing trouble where we can May 4th for sure.

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, so Sunday we can Triple cap the server again.
And good luck doing that and enjoy your under population bonuses.

Dragonskin

2013-04-26, 02:23 PM

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, so Sunday we can Triple cap the server again.
And good luck doing that and enjoy your under population bonuses.

I know right.. this is probably the only time I will get an under population bonus. Doesn't happen as VS on Mattherson and hasn't happened yet for TR on Waterson.

Wahooo

2013-04-26, 02:34 PM

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, .

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, .

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, .

Just try to keep the Indar bonus for us, .

For YOU!?!?!?? How about FOR US! The Non-whiny, non-spoiled little fucking crybabies.

Pushing this little stunt why would anyone want to do jack shit for YOU?

Falcon_br

2013-04-26, 02:39 PM

For YOU!?!?!?? How about FOR US! The Non-whiny, non-spoiled little fucking crybabies.

Pushing this little stunt why would anyone want to do jack shit for YOU?

OK dude, I really think your mother should have taught some manners.
When I say us, I mean the Terran Republic.
And it is not that important for me because of the Alpha Squad Booster I am never lacking resources, it is only to show to that NC cry babies that they never got Indar while holding the SE warpgate, we are doing it for over a week now.

Falcon_br

2013-04-27, 10:39 PM

As I predicted:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AmUavphHXmIxdFhHUzJfN1VYalRnWS0xMnBUdTJpM 1E&gid=25
Striker is now the worst ESRL far away from the other 2.
It was already bad, not locking on towers, made it almost useless.

And a professional analysis why the t9 carv sucks bad when compared to other empires default LMG:

Sources; ps2.dynet.com

Disclaimer; I am thoroughly experienced with the NC and TR, and that has informed my statements. My experience with the VS, while I have some, is comparatively limited.

So, I've been playing PlanetSide 2 since mid-Beta, and I've been through all the balance changes thick and thin, and the logic many changes has, in reality, gone over my head. But I'm not here to be critical of Margaret Krohn, Joshua Sanchez and Jimmy Whisenhunt.

I'm here to discuss - initially - the discrepancies between the SAW, CARV, and Orion. I may expand upon other weapons as posters reply to the topic. It should be known that before I made any real decision, I thoroughly went through statistics(Statistics which I will be referring to in this post) and came to conclusions.

Let me begin with the easiest topic;

Many people claim that the Orion and T9 CARV are more or less identical, with the exception of VS's lack of bullet drop, and (previously) the different damage degradation rates. This is false. The Orion and CARV are substantially different weapons in their own right, and whilst they do share some similarities in the form of damage and rate of fire, ultimately they need to be considered as entirely different weapons. I'll outline the differences.

People think - or thought - the CARV and Orion had the same recoil, cone of fire, projectile speed and so on. This is solidly a false statement.

The Orion has a horizontal recoil of 0.2, this is as opposed to the T9 CARV's horizontal recoil of 0.225. Where the Orion trumps the CARV on horizontal recoil, the CARV does indeed suffer slightly less in terms of vertical recoil, with a marginally lower first shot recoil multiplier - the Orion has 2.15x and the CARV has 2x. This, however, has the trade off of the Orion having a higher level of recoil decrease - this meaning the Orion will recover from recoil faster than a CARV. This makes it more effective at burst fire.

A crucial factor that can never really be left out when we discuss the Orion and CARV, is move speed. Or rather, that the Orion has better ADS move speed as opposed to the CARV. As standard, most weapons lower your speed by 50% when you aim down the sights, this holds true with the CARV. However, with the Orion, your move speed is lowered to 75%(A reduction of 25%) when aiming down the sights. This gives the Orion an inherent advantage over the CARV in terms of ADS combat. If this wasn't enough, the Orion is also more accurate, with an ADS moving cone of fire which is 12.5% smaller than that of the CARV's. The Orion has a straight up advantage in ADS combat over the CARV, both in movement, and accuracy that compliments that move speed.

The advantages of the Orion do not end there, truth be told. With this ADS superiority, the Orion also has superior hip fire accuracy. The Orion has smaller cone of fire when hip firing on the move by a grand total of 25%. It has better standing hip fire as well, but when do we hip fire standing still?.

So, my conclusion on that is due to cone of fire, ADS movespeed and general superior accuracy levels of the Orion, the Orion is more or less superior in close quarters combat. But hey, at least the CARV recovers in longer range combat, right?

Wrong.

Ever since the removal of larger levels of damage degradation on VS weapons, what was questionable before is now statistical fact. We know, from my first paragraph, that the Orion is better at burst fire. We know that the Orion shares the same damage degradation level as the CARV, so it's know longer disadvantaged in damage. We know that when Aiming Down Sight, the Orion has a cone of fire 12.5% smaller than the CARV - while moving(They're the same when standing still. But if you're standing still in a long range engagement, it's a safe wager you're going to be sniped). This all heavily points towards the Orion being more or less superior in ranged conflict, but the icing on the cake is that the projectile velocity of the Orion is superior to that of the T9 CARV. Where the CARV's bullets travel at 600m/s, the Orion trumps that with 615m/s. Not only is bullet drop never an issue for the Orion, having to lead a moving target is easier to boot.

The only possible boon the CARV has at longer ranges, compared to the Orion, is its larger ammo magazine. Having 100 bullets as opposed to 50 in a magazine is quite beneficial when engaging at long range, it means less time reloading in a specific fight(Honestly, if you can't duke it out at long range with 100 bullets, you either can't aim or you're too far away). This is the only thing the CARV has on the Orion. And its benefits are often argued when we get into close and mid range combat - where reload speed is more often than not a more beneficial thing to have as opposed to a larger magazine. Taking into account that average player's accuracy is in the 25% region, it'll take in the region of 25-30 bullets to drop targets, on average. There'll be a point where having the ability to reload quickly becomes far better than a larger magazine, and that's usually in close-mid range combat such as tech plants and amp stations, where you have a mix of safe places to hide and a lot of people to shoot. But that's conjecture, and it should be acknowledged by all that both have their benefits and downsides.

In short, the Orion is pretty much a better version of the CARV. More accurate, more versatile, better at long ranges and also capable of hip firing in a way the CARV cannot match.

Now, on to my next point.

Why the NC6 Gauss SAW is the best LMG in the game. I think I can summarize my point in one word;

(Warning; This next segment gets quite wordy. I'll but a giant bold asterisk when I finally get to the conclusion, so you can scroll down)

Damage.

Many people don't consider the damage alone enough to justify the grand statement that the Gauss SAW is the top dog on the block. And they'd be 100% correct. The SAW has a tonne of other stuff going for it as well. Namely accuracy, potential damage and attachments.

Let me just stop your objection right there. I think when I typed "accuracy" as a benefit in reference to the Gauss SAW, I got the attention of pretty much every NC player in the game. You see, let us take a look at the stats so I can actually support that statement, instead of simply using ingame experience and anecdotes as reference.

Allow me to open up my great book of statistics. The Gauss SAW has 0.55 vertical recoil. That's more than the Orion and CARV by 20%. I will immediately make the claim vertical recoil pretty much does not matter. But let's assume it does. The Orion and CARV have a rate of fire that's 50% higher than a SAW. In layman's terms, for every 2 shots fired by the SAW, the other two fire 3.

So, we know the SAW has .5 and the CARV/Orion have .4. 2*.55 = 1.1(This is the Gauss SAW) and 3*.4 = 1.2(This is the Orion/CARV). With that maths there I've simply shown, that in the same amount of time the Gauss SAW's recoil == 1.1, the Orion and CARV's recoil == 1.2. How, you ask? This is purely due to rate of fire. While rate of fire is beneficial to raw DPS - a meaningless value in truth - it is massively detrimental to accuracy. We're looking at 3 bullets here, now look at 6. 9. 12. The total recoil gap between the SAW and CARV/Orion climbs dramatically, with the CARV/Orion in reality have ~10% more working vertical recoil than the SAW.

But as I've said, vertical recoil is irrelevant. But I had to - as the title says - replace that myth with fact. The SAW has no recoil problems, in fact it has significantly less so compared to the other two.

This is made even more apparent when we take into account horizontal recoil. I dub Horizontal Recoil pretty much as "Artificial Cone of Fire". There's a good reason for that, but it's not an entirely accurate term. For weapons such as the Pulsar LSW or the MSW-R, that term does not apply at all. That's because the horizontal recoil on those weapons is only going in one direction. With weapons like the SAW, CARV, Orion - well, in fact, most weapons in the game - it goes both left and right. While logic may dictate to you that would mean the recoil cancels out, it doesn't. All that it means is that the recoil will go from left to right over and over again. This causes a random deviation with the same effect cone of fire has.

That horizontal recoil, by the way, is the reason why so may Terran players hate using the CARV. Having the highest horizontal recoil in the game with the highest ROF LMG(And that indirectly causing extremely high cone of fire, which will be explained further down) does not make for a good level of accuracy, regardless of how you play.

Now, what is the thrust of my point? Point is, the CARV has .225 horizontal recoil, and Orion has .2 horizontal recoil, and the SAW has .175 horizontal recoil. I'm going to skip the maths here because it's pretty obvious that two weapons with a higher base recoil with higher rate of fires are going to have more horizontal recoil than a weapons with a lower base recoil and lower rate of fire. That's just common sense. Now we've surmised that the Gauss SAW, infact, has no recoil problems.

Let's address cone of fire. Compared to the CARV, the SAW's COF is absolutely identical. Infact, there are places where it is better, and there's one place where it's worse. When coming out of a sprint, the COF on the CARV is 40% higher than that on a SAW, that ultimately means that in most cases where hipfire will be occurring, the SAW will have a tighter COF - a trade off for its much lower ROF in this situation. That's fine.
The Gauss SAW has a higher bloom per shot than the CARV, by 40% in both ADS and Hip. However let's go back to our best friend ROF again. Taking into account the ROF of the CARV, the "bloom rate" is higher on the CARV - the same phenomenon as with the recoil in my earlier paragraph. With there only being a difference of 0.01 ADS and 0.02 Hip, however, it's safe to say the bloom rates are almost identical and the fact the CARV has such marginally higher bloom rate it's almost negligible. For example, it would take 10 seconds of sustained fire with the CARV for me to finally get the same cone of fire as the SAW when ADS moving. It's actually impossible because to do that I've have to fire something like 120 rounds without pause or reload. This only becomes a factor when standing still, as you will see below.

Take into account the horizontal recoil I referred to earlier, and you have an accuracy issue for the CARV. Take into account further, that the Gauss SAW has an amazing 0 cone of fire when ADS standing still, I surmised that the SAW is in general more accurate. 0 COF, in other words, means that the bullet will go exactly where you aim it, with no deviation. It's 100% accurate. The SAW also has lower first shot recoil multiplier(1.65x as opposed to the 2x on the CARV) and a higher recoil decrease than the CARV.
In layman's terms, this means the Gauss SAW is accurate enough to land 2 headshots in a row without effort(Possibly even 3 if the person is good enough to compensate for recoil while tracking the target[Not too difficult]) - about 800 damage.

*

The burst damage capability of the SAW is unparalleled amongst all the LMGs in the game. Where burst damage is the most important factor, the SAW comes out king. While I may have been obscure or abstract in my explanation, the general thrust of the point I'm trying to make here is that the SAW does not suffer accuracy issues. When we stack it up against comparable weapons such as the Flare, Ursa, and TMG-50, it suffers no more in accuracy than these, with only a marginally slower ROF. However, it comes up king because of its 200 damage per shot. If my little statistical-orgasm I've had throughout this post still leaves you in doubt that I have referred to stats when making that statement, go look at them yourself.

This problem is exacerbated due to the attachments available to the SAW. The SAW stands as the only starter weapon in the game which has access to advanced attachments such as Compensators and Adv. Foregrips. In addition to this, it has access to a much larger variety of Optics - from being the only starter LMG with 2x, to having a variety of 3.4x and 4x - and even 6x. The SAW is given the answer to all of its potential problems in the form of attachments - the only thing it can't do well is hip fire, which only the Orion can efficiently do.

The point being made ultimately here, is that the SAW is the best LMG. It has everything. Attachments. Damage. Accuracy. A large magazine size. The only thing it doesn't have is ROF - and that would be detrimental to accuracy. The SAW lacks raw dps - the only edge weapons like the Orion and CARV have on it - but raw dps is only a factor assuming 100% accuracy. I've surmised through the stats that the SAW is the more accurate LMG.

Many people are going to look at this post and see that I compared the Orion, CARV, and SAW. A fair argument to refute what I've said is that the SAW is a different weapon style to the other two in its own right, and therefore cannot be compared. I would agree, but these three are the starter weapons. If I have to buy a weapon to compare to the SAW and compete with it, there's clearly an issue.

While the SAW does not match up in extremely close quarters(Where the Orion will be marginally better), it is superior at almost every other level. Corridors in Bio Labs, fighting inside the walls of an Amp Station, fighting around and inside a Tech Plant, out in the open around outposts and satellites, in fields - these are the SAW's playground. The only time they do not dominate is a tower battle, where the Orion is simply better out of the three(But in reality, shotguns amirite?).

In short, the SAW is not underpowered or "bad" as players often claim. It has quite a lot of advantages over the other 2 LMGs, falling short only in cone of fire vs. the Orion and projectile velocity vs. the Orion. In order to compete with the SAW, TR and VS players have to buy their 167 damage LMGs. Personally, I find that completely unacceptable. The Terran Republic's best LMG(TMG-50) is the equivalent of NC's worst(Gauss SAW S). While the VS have more options with two 167 damage LMGs, neither of those two stack up to the SAW, with the Flare being a slightly worse version of the TMG-50 and the Ursa being stuck between a SAW and a T16 Rhino.

These statements are supported by stats pulled from the game.

God this post was longer than I expected it to be...

Bravix

2013-04-27, 10:53 PM

Wall of text crits you for....oh wait, you did TL:DR? Oh good, successfully evaded then.

Artimus

2013-04-27, 10:55 PM

Who put this guy in charge of the entire TR Empire?

bpostal

2013-04-27, 11:37 PM

Who put this guy in charge of the entire TR Empire?

You mean you didn't vote!?

MrMak

2013-04-28, 03:53 AM

i like how your solution to a percieved problem (not that there is an actual problem) is LETS MAKE IT EVEN WORSE!

You sicken me.

Juryrig

2013-04-28, 04:53 AM

Really long post comparing the three starter LMGs

Why not just pick up the fact that an NC sniper starts with a bolt-action rifle that is flat-out better than the semi-autos that TR and VS start with? Needs neither statistics, anecdotes or, really discussion.

Clearly SOE are happy that the 'differences between the Empires' should be significant enough that they don't all start with equal capability in all classes.

It's probably possible to show that NC get the clearly best starter Sniper Rifle, from your argument VS get the best starter LMG, someone who cared could probably go find a starter weapon for a TR class that is clearly superior to the NC and VS weapon for the same class...assault rifle, maybe.

Your argument leads logically to the conclusion that all the weapons available should be completely identical in performance, just with different skins. I don't want that, personally, I'd rather maintain the differences and accept that some people will always consider the perceived imbalances to be an issue.

*edited to add* it was a good post, though, nice to see the stats actually being analysed. I think you missed considering recoil recovery when talking about vertical recoil on the Gauss SAW, but I'm not sure. As we've occasionally had pops on Miller where VS and NC were equal I've been playing my NC recently (I always log in whichever has the lowest world pop) and it's really struck me how much plain better that gun seems compared to the early days. How much of that is down to player improvement is hard to judge, though.

Thunderhawk

2013-04-28, 08:51 AM

Funny how most if the VS I play with either use the Pulsar LSW or the Flare and no one uses the Orion.

Maybe we're all missing something and just don't know about how apparantly overpowered our standard LMG is compared to the CARV.

LoliLoveFart

2013-04-28, 11:02 AM

I read this entire thread and honestly it boils down to grass is greener and miss representing stats to maneuver people for your agenda.
The fact you think making a perceived problem worse is going to somehow make the devs magically go "fuck me we need to buff the TR" is childish.
That being said, the TR haven't received a ton of buffs because they don't require them.

Falcon_br

2013-04-28, 02:33 PM

Why not just pick up the fact that an NC sniper starts with a bolt-action rifle that is flat-out better than the semi-autos that TR and VS start with? Needs neither statistics, anecdotes or, really discussion.

Clearly SOE are happy that the 'differences between the Empires' should be significant enough that they don't all start with equal capability in all classes.

It's probably possible to show that NC get the clearly best starter Sniper Rifle, from your argument VS get the best starter LMG, someone who cared could probably go find a starter weapon for a TR class that is clearly superior to the NC and VS weapon for the same class...assault rifle, maybe.

Your argument leads logically to the conclusion that all the weapons available should be completely identical in performance, just with different skins. I don't want that, personally, I'd rather maintain the differences and accept that some people will always consider the perceived imbalances to be an issue.

*edited to add* it was a good post, though, nice to see the stats actually being analysed. I think you missed considering recoil recovery when talking about vertical recoil on the Gauss SAW, but I'm not sure. As we've occasionally had pops on Miller where VS and NC were equal I've been playing my NC recently (I always log in whichever has the lowest world pop) and it's really struck me how much plain better that gun seems compared to the early days. How much of that is down to player improvement is hard to judge, though.

Dude, I don´t think you read all the analysis, the Gauss Saw is even better them the TMG-50! The Gauss Saw is better the almost all TR LMG, maybe only losing it for the m32 Bull (in some situations), while the NC got at least 3 better LMG them the Gauss Saw.
Also forgot to mention that all weapons with just one way horizontal recoil are easier to handle them most weapons, that´s why I use the MSW-R and the Lynx (no longer, already auraxis with the Lynx).
Also we only got the MSW-R with that single horizontal recoil, while the NC got the GD-22S and the Anchor, the VS got the Polaris and the Pulsar. The only left LMG with that feature is the NS-15m, that really sucks, but I am already considerating to buy it just because of that, it is only bad that it pull to the left while all the other to the right.

I read this entire thread and honestly it boils down to grass is greener and miss representing stats to maneuver people for your agenda.
The fact you think making a perceived problem worse is going to somehow make the devs magically go "fuck me we need to buff the TR" is childish.
That being said, the TR haven't received a ton of buffs because they don't require them.

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

You mean you didn't vote!?

Yeah, those NC guys really don´t get it!

Bravix

2013-04-28, 03:33 PM

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

:doh:

Only weapon that I'd say was truly under powered in PS1 for TR was the Cycler, and really, it wasn't that bad. Just wasn't quite at the same level.

MCG was a god among men. Great at long range and pretty god close range. Not as good as the Jackhammer close range obviously, but it was in every way better than the shitty post-nerf lasher.

MAXs, quite loved the TR ones. Especially for taking out BFRs.

Striker could hunt targets through f-ing forests. I always thought the AV was pretty balanced, though the Phoenix was just annoying as hell (less so in PS2).

bpostal

2013-04-28, 05:40 PM

...
Striker could hunt targets through f-ing forests....

I'd argue that there is little more that was frustrating than trying to use the striker in a wooded area. The fucking rockets kept hitting trees.

Falcon_br

2013-04-28, 05:45 PM

I'd argue that there is little more that was frustrating than trying to use the striker in a wooded area. The fucking rockets kept hitting trees.

He is talking about the pre-nerf Striker, where you could fire the missiles to the air and them target the enemy max for the win! Even on woodlands.
After it got really bad nerfed we had to adapt to it. If you lost the lock for one second, it was a waste.

camycamera

2013-04-28, 05:50 PM

May 4th, the day the TR will loose all the continents if this actually happens!

ToySoldierNN

2013-04-28, 06:41 PM

The TR is nothing more than something for the VS and NC to shoot at while the devs attempt to gag themselves to death on VS and NC cocks.

I have played TR for nearly a decade. I regret this a great deal playing Mattherson these days. I cancelled my premium sub months ago, Iv used the last of my Aplha Squad cash (purchased back in beta), doubtful I will ever put another cent into this game.

Its not worth the time with a game that the devs cant find thier own ass with two hands on an IP that is a decade old.

bpostal

2013-04-28, 08:23 PM

He is talking about the pre-nerf Striker, where you could fire the missiles to the air and them target the enemy max for the win! Even on woodlands.
After it got really bad nerfed we had to adapt to it. If you lost the lock for one second, it was a waste.

Ah, must have been before I was introduced to the game. Is it too late to ask SOE to change it back (or even better, add this functionality to PS2's Striker)?

ThatGoatGuy

2013-04-28, 09:20 PM

VaderShake

2013-04-30, 09:29 AM

Canaris

2013-04-30, 09:41 AM

I have to laugh at the TR whining, congradulations you have now passed the Vanu in your whineyness.

Remember when the game launched and the NC was always less populated? The TR and Vanu scoffed and laughed and puffed their tiny chests out. Now that the NC population is higher they run and whine.....pathedic. Where is this so called faction loyalty and pride all the people in the forums were claiming when PS2 launched??? Oh, yea that's right it's the devs fault....the game will be constantly in development and will change month to month for a long time to come but when they think the going get's a little tough the TR tuck your tails and hide. Pathetic....

let me guess you read the first post and then skipped to the bottom of the page and wrote this. Well I can't blame you NC knuckle draggers and brow furlers for having trouble with more than a paragraph strung together, guess upper managment don't want their worker bee's thinking to much. ;)

KesTro

2013-04-30, 10:51 AM

Yeah, since planetside 1 the TR is used to compensate the under powered weapons with skill. That´s why we have the best score/min with all NS weapons.

lol..

I've got to say after reading this thread and other threads in which you've posted in OP. Your information you use and the points you argue are invalid and skewed in your favor. You'll take one part of the story that benefits what you want and then leave out the rest while dodging facts that other players bring up. That being said, you're not the only one that does this so I can't really get on your case about it too much.

IE: NERF EVERYONE EXCEPT ME - Sincerely: Planetside Playerbase

Shogun

2013-04-30, 12:14 PM

I have to laugh at the TR whining, congradulations you have now passed the Vanu in your whineyness.

Remember when the game launched and the NC was always less populated? The TR and Vanu scoffed and laughed and puffed their tiny chests out. Now that the NC population is higher they run and whine.....pathedic. Where is this so called faction loyalty and pride all the people in the forums were claiming when PS2 launched??? Oh, yea that's right it's the devs fault....the game will be constantly in development and will change month to month for a long time to come but when they think the going get's a little tough the TR tuck your tails and hide. Pathetic....

THIS!

i was always thinking the vanu were the most whiny players ever. now i have to rethink ;)
every faction is always thinking the grass is greener for the other factions.
has always been this way and will always stay this way.

Assist

2013-04-30, 05:31 PM

THIS!

i was always thinking the vanu were the most whiny players ever. now i have to rethink ;)
every faction is always thinking the grass is greener for the other factions.
has always been this way and will always stay this way.

Any TR complaining on Waterson shouldn't be taken seriously on anything they say. They don't have a clue what low or declining population is.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg

5:25 PM EST. The joys of being VS on Waterson. WRU server transfers! This is what I see when I login to play after work, depressing to say the least.

Snoopy

2013-04-30, 05:56 PM

^wow, that's pretty bad...

Dragonskin

2013-04-30, 10:24 PM

Any TR complaining on Waterson shouldn't be taken seriously on anything they say. They don't have a clue what low or declining population is.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg

5:25 PM EST. The joys of being VS on Waterson. WRU server transfers! This is what I see when I login to play after work, depressing to say the least.

I wouldn't say 5:25pm EST is prime time yet, but that screen shot is a lot closer to normal than what Falcon_br has posted so far. Usually NC and TR roughly equal sometimes one more than the other with VS way way behind.

OCNSethy

2013-04-30, 10:43 PM

@ Falcon-BR, you are a disgrace to the Republic. Have a big cup of stfu and get back in the fight. Don't forget to replace your nappy with proper battle gear before hand though.

Falcon_br

2013-05-01, 02:22 AM

@ Falcon-BR, you are a disgrace to the Republic. Have a big cup of stfu and get back in the fight. Don't forget to replace your nappy with proper battle gear before hand though.

Next week they promised to fix the prowler offset cannon and unnerf the T9 carv, while nerfing the attachments we don't have acess to them, while the NC do.
If they really do that, the strike will be called off, because the TR demands would be satisfied.
I already got support in more 3 server, also got official numbers about the population in the game during this week, it was not hard to find support in servers where TR have population problems, but in Waterson everytime I am rallying people to the cause, I receive lots and lots of death threats but also some support, my only concern it that we are holding Indar for more them two weeks now, having the worst warp gate, if the next patch we receive a rotation to the north warp gate, holding Indar will be easier then ever!

MrMak

2013-05-01, 03:51 AM

The strike i called off! All the 20 people taking part in it will decide to grace us after all! The game is saved!

I think someone may have a mild case of Egomania......

Falcon_br

2013-05-01, 04:22 AM

The strike i called off! All the 20 people taking part in it will decide to grace us after all! The game is saved!

I think someone may have a mild case of Egomania......

Or maybe you should mind your own business
I know that 90% of the posts here comes from other faction players, sorry to disappoint you guys, but it may not be this time your faction will triple cap something.
I still think that NC players from Waterson are the ones with most hope with the strike, because it will be the first time they may capture Indar in a long time, I know they never captured it while they controlled the north warp gate, a thing even the Vanu with underpopulation managed to do sometimes. Now that we are holding Indar, more them 10 days, having the worst warp gate I think that NC is praying for that strike to happen, but sorry guys, it is not your call.
And for everyone who think I am wrong, so why are they nerfing the gauss saw and buffing TR and VS weapons!?

Snydenthur

2013-05-01, 05:10 AM

This whole thread feels like a joke. VS is still the most underpopulated faction and I don't really understand what TR is whining about.

psijaka

2013-05-01, 07:30 AM

Any TR complaining on Waterson shouldn't be taken seriously on anything they say. They don't have a clue what low or declining population is.

http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg
http://i389.photobucket.com/albums/oo339/Sennheiser/2013-04-30_00001_zps21254bd3.jpg

5:25 PM EST. The joys of being VS on Waterson. WRU server transfers! This is what I see when I login to play after work, depressing to say the least.

Pretty grim.

In my experience, it is the VS who are the most likely to have lowest pop levels on Ceres too, and they seem to do OK despite this. Can't see the point of the boycott at all.

VaderShake

2013-05-01, 09:56 AM

Let's look at a player sample from the PSU Stats page....

The top 100 Players by expirience points: http://www.planetside-universe.com/leaderboard.php ....let's pretend we have never played PS2 before and we were objectively looking at the numbers, sample taken 4/30/2013 4:10pm.

TR = 37%

VS = 38%

NC = 25%

100 people is a pretty good sample size and if we look at these players as equal peers who put the most time into the game and are equally coordinated we can see that the VS and TR have similar EXP earning results and the NC are notably lagging. If the game were truely balanced would you not think all factions would be more equally represented in the top 100?

If the TR and VS are underpowered how is it possible they are equally represented and the majority of the top 100 players with the NC notably lagging by over 10 percentage points? If the NC were stronger would it not make sense that they would dominate the leader board?

I'm sure SOE is looking at numbers like this too...

As far as the population numbers well I for one was against being able to have multiple characters per server unless the were on the same faction. People wanted the ability to switch factions on the same server and now we have some fluxuation and imbalance. The players asked for it SOE responded. It woudl have been better only allowing 1 faction per server, I know you can delete and start over too but I think allot was lost when casual players and others started switching factions to undermine and spy on the competition.

Juryrig

2013-05-01, 12:20 PM

MrMak

2013-05-01, 01:07 PM

Or maybe you should mind your own business
I know that 90% of the posts here comes from other faction players, sorry to disappoint you guys, but it may not be this time your faction will triple cap something.
I still think that NC players from Waterson are the ones with most hope with the strike, because it will be the first time they may capture Indar in a long time, I know they never captured it while they controlled the north warp gate, a thing even the Vanu with underpopulation managed to do sometimes. Now that we are holding Indar, more them 10 days, having the worst warp gate I think that NC is praying for that strike to happen, but sorry guys, it is not your call.
And for everyone who think I am wrong, so why are they nerfing the gauss saw and buffing TR and VS weapons!?

Hmm this might be Megalomania after all.

Dobody gives a damn about your little "strike" (least of all me since im on a diferent server anyway). The reson you are getting as much attention as you are is becouse the mere notion of TR going on strike is ridicoulus.

VaderShake

2013-05-01, 01:52 PM

Hmm this might be Megalomania after all.

Dobody gives a damn about your little "strike" (least of all me since im on a diferent server anyway). The reson you are getting as much attention as you are is becouse the mere notion of TR going on strike is ridicoulus.

Remember MrMak, TR types are socialist/communist who's first gut reaction is to organize a "union strike" and walk away when they don't get 100% their way. :D

GraniteRok

2013-05-01, 07:12 PM

Falcon_br

2013-05-01, 07:50 PM

This thread has got to be one of the more comical ones I've read in a while.

Organize a strike ... :rolleyes: Like that's going to do anything. It's not like there's any huge glaring discrepancy between one faction to the other. Any outfit of any inkling of integrity would keep far away from this.

I think the most comical people are the ones that really just read, maybe the first page and now are here taking conclusions.
But don´t worry, the point of this thread has already been reach, pointless comments now won´t do a thing about it, maybe most of you guys should just take a:
http://data.whicdn.com/images/13404286/175716_700b_thumb.jpg
Pointless comments here won´t do anything right now, the thread it is not closed yet just because we are waiting for tomorrow patch to see what is going to change.

maradine

2013-05-01, 08:54 PM

Pointless comments here won´t do anything right now, the thread it is not closed yet just because we are waiting for tomorrow patch to see what is going to change.

"we"

Stubek

2013-05-02, 07:12 AM

There is no need to get excited too much guys. As with weapons cycles you have faction cycles. It seems to rotate every 1,5-2 months.

Since i joined game it went kinda like this (my subjective view)

VS cycle (Magrider spam etc),nerf > q TR turn (Dual HE prowler anyone,...) nerf,> NC got all unnerfed toys now (Scat, phoenix, etc.), NC nerf, VS buff all round inc. to begin next cycle.

All that time 4th faction rotates and use best items available < 1.,2.,3. faction in stable guilds have that kind of advantage in game

To end my rant what it all boils down to is scream all you want but know that SOE is fixing population balance issue with nerf/buff cycles.

Shogun

2013-05-02, 07:23 AM

hey, this thread already served its purpose the moment it was started!

it showed me, that the vs are not the most pathetic whiners in here, and that there is no reason to keep up the respect for tr i had ;)

and the best part is, that even tr players look at this thread and do a facepalm.

i start to believe this is a big conspiration, and the OP is in fact a vs agent!

Gimpylung

2013-05-02, 07:34 AM

Imagine a day where lock on warnings were reduced by about 80%, that day could be May the 4th but it'll never happen.

Sentrosi

2013-05-02, 02:28 PM

Falcon_Br
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/luminary/gifs/bth_a25c7pjpg.gif
I'm watching you.

Wahooo

2013-05-02, 05:41 PM

I think the most comical people are the ones that really just read, maybe the first page and now are here taking conclusions.
But don´t worry, the point of this thread has already been reach, pointless comments now won´t do a thing about it, maybe most of you guys should just take a:
http://data.whicdn.com/images/13404286/175716_700b_thumb.jpg
Pointless comments here won´t do anything right now, the thread it is not closed yet just because we are waiting for tomorrow patch to see what is going to change.

So the threat of the strike was the actual cause of some of the weapons changes in this update????

Your childishness seems to only be superseded by your arrogance.

Stick Pin

2013-05-02, 06:14 PM

. wtf?

You have some of the best weapons in the game. What is the fucking problem?

Best weapons? Have you played the TR for an hr or 2? They shoot allot of bullets really fast, but made of cotton balls. The Mosquito's armor is tissue paper and it's rockets are pillows. Why should it take 2 1/2 pods to kill a Sunderer ?
I'm in on Waterson.

Falcon_br

2013-05-02, 06:16 PM

So the threat of the strike was the actual cause of some of the weapons changes in this update????

Your childishness seems to only be superseded by your arrogance.

Do you really think that this was the point of the thread?
I just needed to be in contact with TR high command Teamspeak, and be in contact with most of TR outfit leaders.
After two weeks of threads with mathematical explanation why the TR is using underpowered weapons, I think we made the point we needed to them balance the weapons.
I really didn´t see any weapon rebalance on the roadmap, did you?
The only think I didn´t expect them to accept it was to place lasers on everyone mines, that was much more them we expected.
I am still testing the weapons balance, but until now, everything looks great for the TR!

MrMak

2013-05-02, 08:03 PM

This guy seems to live in his own little world.

He thinks he is a Revolutionary or at least a union leader.

.
Best weapons? Have you played the TR for an hr or 2? They shoot allot of bullets really fast, but made of cotton balls. The Mosquito's armor is tissue paper and it's rockets are pillows. Why should it take 2 1/2 pods to kill a Sunderer ?
I'm in on Waterson.

1. All ESFs have the exact same armor that includes the Reaver.

2. All ESFs have to use about 2 and half rocket pod mags to take down a sunderer. Its called Balance.

Just goes to show what kind of people would back something as silly as this.

PS. Found a more fitting profile picture for you Falcon_br if you insist on playing revolutionary.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120207213249/tropico/images/0/03/Marco_Moreno.png

Falcon_br

2013-05-02, 08:37 PM

This guy seems to live in his own little world.

He thinks he is a Revolutionary or at least a union leader.

1. All ESFs have the exact same armor that includes the Reaver.

2. All ESFs have to use about 2 and half rocket pod mags to take down a sunderer. Its called Balance.

Just goes to show what kind of people would back something as silly as this.

PS. Found a more fitting profile picture for you Falcon_br if you insist on playing revolutionary.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120207213249/tropico/images/0/03/Marco_Moreno.png

Ok dude, resize the image for me to the forum setting and I will use it, but do it with Fidel, because I am communist.
But I think there are two kind of people, the one that when he want something, he get it done, and the other, like you, that really think that can´t do shit to change anything on the world.

PS: Of course changing a game balance is not a think I will put on my résumé, got more important things on it to place something so small.

FLYFX

2013-05-03, 02:17 AM

Good God man, get a grip, this is such a crybaby thread for a TR player ESPECIALLY on WATERSON... please stop posting nonsense. :lol::rofl:

Whiteagle

2013-05-03, 02:47 AM

On Waterson you had Brit (Totalbiscuit's outfit) and the Angry Army that started out pulling tons of people to Waterson on TR. Then both of those youtubers moved on.. although Totalbiscuit is re-organizing his outfit and will probably come back. So anyway, Waterson was THE TR hub for the first couple months. Now TR is definitely lower pop than it was, but still not suffering nearly as bad as VS.. VS are almost always low pop on Waterson.
Well I can't speak for Let the Brit Drop, but the Angry Army wasn't actually all that big...
I don't think they broke Five-hundred even with the "Fanboys" just joining to fawn over Angry Joe.

Thing is, the Angry Army is a Casual Multi-game guild, so one third of our Planetside 2 Outfit hasn't logged on since Chirstmas...

Who put this guy in charge of the entire TR Empire?
No one did, and as the Self-Proclaimed Terran Tactical Forecaster I want him flogged for incompetence...

I already got support in more 3 server, also got official numbers about the population in the game during this week, it was not hard to find support in servers where TR have population problems, but in Waterson everytime I am rallying people to the cause, I receive lots and lots of death threats but also some support, my only concern it that we are holding Indar for more them two weeks now, having the worst warp gate, if the next patch we receive a rotation to the north warp gate, holding Indar will be easier then ever!
We only hold Indar because hard working Outfits CONTINUE to FIGHT for it!

Go put on some purple Spandex you Vanu wannabe...

I just needed to be in contact with TR high command Teamspeak, and be in contact with most of TR outfit leaders.
Who?

Where the fuck is the Terran High Command Teamspeak of which you babble of?
I've never heard of it...

...Oh wait, are you that one person in the Leader Voice Chat that keeps asking for the go-ahead from "Terran High Command" despite the fact that no such thing currently exist on Waterson?

This guy seems to live in his own little world.

He thinks he is a Revolutionary or at least a union leader.
He honestly does if he's actually the guy I'm thinking of...

...Keeps asking permission and eats up orders from anyone who speaks with any sort of authority...

Stubek

2013-05-03, 04:35 AM

Terran High Command AHAHAHAHAHA

Now that we got that out of the way. Who do you think you are buddy. Nobody cares about your whines, your strike, your feedback to anyone...

TR is not UP. Quit yer crying or go play VS :)

Stubek,TR, Miller

On the side note about ESF, i know Reaver is weakest on paper but it has best feeling for me.

STDskin

2013-05-03, 05:12 AM

Somebody call the Wambulance - YouTube

OP + tall building = Win for everybody :groovy:

Canaris

2013-05-03, 05:23 AM

Falcon_Br
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v661/luminary/gifs/bth_a25c7pjpg.gif
I'm watching you.

I so vote this to be Falcons new sig lawl! :lol:

Assist

2013-05-03, 07:36 AM

I am still testing the weapons balance, but until now, everything looks great for the TR!

Wait, you think the infantry balance patch was a buff for TR in some way? :huh: :lol:

They buffed my Orion, Serpent, Eridani, and NS-15M. If I had to pick 4 weapons on VS that I would want a buff to so I could be better at infantry combat, it would be those 4 weapons. None of them needed a buff, as they were already superior(IMO) to the other options I had.

Wahooo

2013-05-03, 12:29 PM

But I think there are two kind of people, the one that when he want something, he get it done, and the other, like you, that really think that can´t do shit to change anything on the world.

PS: Of course changing a game balance is not a think I will put on my résumé, got more important things on it to place something so small.

???
You have a very warped sense of self.

Crying, whining, stomping your feet, throwing a temper tantrum and threatening to quit the game for a day is NOT getting it done.

maradine

2013-05-03, 03:04 PM

Leave Britney alone.

psijaka

2013-05-04, 06:30 AM

TR have the highest pop on Waterson, Ceres and Miller right now.

So much for the boycott.

Blynd

2013-05-04, 09:51 AM

I see the op's suggestion worked. Not a single tr on miller today. :p

Canaris

2013-05-04, 09:56 AM

TR have the highest pop on Waterson, Ceres and Miller right now.

So much for the boycott.

lol if you thought the TR would strike(that's what filthy NC do ;)) then you don't know us as well as you think :lol:

psijaka

2013-05-04, 10:16 AM

lol if you thought the TR would strike(that's what filthy NC do ;)) then you don't know us as well as you think :lol:

:D I knew that the true TR wouldn't strike.

Assist

2013-05-04, 12:43 PM

TR top pop on Waterson, 4% over NC! 15% over VS!

psijaka

2013-05-04, 01:28 PM

This thread is possibly the biggest fail in the history of Planetside Universe.

Edit - it is the VS that consistently have the lowest pop levels. Fact.

Falcon_br

2013-05-04, 03:42 PM

This thread is possibly the biggest fail in the history of Planetside Universe.

Edit - it is the VS that consistently have the lowest pop levels. Fact.

Fact, go check official data I placed here pages ago before talking bullshit.

Yestarday hot fix made a warpgate rotation, result:
All continents are under TR control on Waterson.

Also, the moderators are free to close the thread, people are coming here to post useless stuff without reading the rest of the topic for at least 6 pages now!

Maarvy

2013-05-04, 05:10 PM

Come join VS on Miller.

We dont want this whining pussy on VS miller , we have enough of those already .