Recent influx of hackers

[Sardus]

Anyone notice another recent influx of hackers? Its not the blatant ones anymore, it is the augmented players that are clearly aimbotting but playing like a normal player. ESP (wall hacks) are also getting pretty annoying. Hackers who are able to see you on the map with little red names and lines to point out where you are, even behind objects.

Is there no way to stop this? It takes a CSR way too long to find them, and even then, they are difficult to find :\

This kind of activity kills my mood and my fun when playing the game.

[hashish]

Yea i agree, only recently actually I have noticed and clocked onto some hackers flying around like no-clip mode with aimbot on just rinsing everyone lol..

Really annoying when these hackers camp certain areas :s you have 0 chance of surviving

[ThatGoatGuy]

There are a few who've been here from the start *cough* NivX *cough*

[mEtHiCaL]

I have noticed this as well - Not only is it the hackers (actually programmers or idiots who just download it) but I have noticed a recent influx of covert alternate empire account users...The ones who change over to keep tabs on forces, blow up sunderers/beacons and just general harassment like smoke grenade spam and other things to help turn the tide of battle.

On Cobalt server there has been alot of this happening during the alerts, mainly NC. They want to try to help their team win by whatever means necessary, or rather by the only means that which they personally can win (cheating).

[WSNeo]

Not at all.

[bpostal]

I'm going to skip over the part where I belabor the point that due to the F2P nature hackers can simply log into a different account and get back to 'pwning nubs' seconds after their ban and get to the part where I agree with you that it's bloody annoying.

Fuck, it's annoying.

[DeltaGun]

Yep, players are getting to VERY high BRs with hacks. Some of them are coming back after they finally got caught. That's my theory as to why there seem to be new hacker players. Some are now making it back up to the mid-BR.

You want to be able to tell if they're hacking? I can pretty much be sure a player with high KPM and over 5 k/d and mainly plays infantry is a hacker. There are a few exceptions, but usually you can tell these players never miss a shot when fighting them, even at long range. They also have a habit of firing at full auto, all the time. They simply Mag dump in some corner of the world to get their accuracy stats the correct levels.

If you want to be 100% sure they are hacking, follow them around if they are playing ESF. The current hacks for ESF are extremely obvious and easy to detect.

I am noticing that players as described above are getting banned one after another. Even players with well over 100 hours, who are normal members of the community and have a respected outfit, have admitted to hacking after finally being banned.

[EvilNinjadude]

Note this, people: After I reported a player for being invisible/wallhacking and killing me in unlikely spots with a few bullets at a time, I actually yelled out at that player. Turns out that player was invisible but didn't know (assumed it's legit). Player relogged, still invisible. I relogged, the player became visible when we next met.

It's not down to network lag, I was able to see and kill everyone else fine, with no lag. Yet I couldn't even hurt the invisible player directly (when firing at him); however mines proved effective at instakilling him. Because of this vulnerability duality, I'm gonna assume that the Issue was with SOE.

Conclusion: Unless you're stat checking or everyone in the region is dying to that guy in less than 10 seconds, accuse the person and do a 1on1 hacker test. If he refuses you can always report him :)

[PredatorFour]

I nearly got accused of hacking the other day at a bio lab. A guy said "wow 2 headshots at that range ?" when i used a phobos with slugs at only about 30m or so and killed him. So i warn people that sometimes it is possible to kill when it seems like hacking. I'm not making excuses though from some of the examples people have said in this thread, but when you add connection lag it can make an impact for sure.

[Thunderhawk]

I got accused of Hacking on Amerish yesterday because a Mossie pilot flew in a straight line towards their WG whilst I unloaded an entire clip of Hailstorm into him....

I have seen in total maybe 3-4 Hackers in the last 6 months (since release) so you have to be careful whom you "accuse" of hacking because occasionally its just a standard "he beat you" situation.

[Qwan]

I nearly got accused of hacking the other day at a bio lab. A guy said "wow 2 headshots at that range ?" when i used a phobos with slugs at only about 30m or so and killed him. So i warn people that sometimes it is possible to kill when it seems like hacking. I'm not making excuses though from some of the examples people have said in this thread, but when you add connection lag it can make an impact for sure.

I have to agree with you on this one, be careful guys, because you get hit with a head shot doesn't mean the guy is hacking. One thing that I look for is a person who kills constantly with head shots. The other day I had a heavy assault kill me 4 times a head shot each time. No body shots mixed in there just head all 4 times, at first I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt, but then a squad mate named him and said he had been getting hit in the head as well. /report

[Snydenthur]

Conclusion: Unless you're stat checking or everyone in the region is dying to that guy in less than 10 seconds, accuse the person and do a 1on1 hacker test. If he refuses you can always report him :)

But the thing is, you can't be sure about someone hacking, unless they are clearly underground. There is no way to see the game from other players perspective. At least for a non-dev.

And what does 1on1 hacker test mean? If it's 1vs1 in some remote location, I doubt anyone would actually take the break from playing just to have 1vs1 with someone. Even if he agrees, how do you still proof he cheats? If he does, he can turn them off. If he doesn't turn them off or is just better than you, you'd still think he cheats.

And from my point of view, there hasn't been any cheaters for a while now. So, there is less cheating I've ever seen in a game.

[leifnielsen]

Solution: Why not create an auto-ban policy that activates when a person has reached unfathomable stats with a Character? It's possible they may reach unfathomable stats while still under BR 10. Hackers would become very frustrated that they could never get above BR 10. It may not STOP them from cheating, but they would start having to hold back on how much they cheat. Which is also a win for us.

If you can't stop it from happening, at least do something to reduce it.

Of course, if somebody was just really freaking good at the game, this ban could be appealed and the account retrieved.

[EvilNinjadude]

Solution: Why not create an auto-ban policy that activates when a person has reached unfathomable stats with a Character? It's possible they may reach unfathomable stats while still under BR 10. Hackers would become very frustrated that they could never get above BR 10. It may not STOP them from cheating, but they would start having to hold back on how much they cheat. Which is also a win for us.

If you can't stop it from happening, at least do something to reduce it.

Of course, if somebody was just really freaking good at the game, this ban could be appealed and the account retrieved.

Replace "ban" with "report for observation by GM" and we got ourselves a deal.
I personally would love to see the game from a hacker's point of view using GM tools, and help bust hackers. But that's just me daydreaming. I hope doing this doesn't take too much time away from SOE.

[leifnielsen]

Replace "ban" with "report for observation by GM" and we got ourselves a deal.
I personally would love to see the game from a hacker's point of view using GM tools, and help bust hackers. But that's just me daydreaming. I hope doing this doesn't take too much time away from SOE.

The reason I suggested auto-ban instead of auto-report is because the hackers so severely outnumber the GM's, no matter what their tools are, they have too much on their plate every day to be catching this many hackers. There needs to be an automated system because they just don't have the manpower.

[Binkley]

It seems there was a recent wave of account bans that forced many hackers to start over with a new account. Maybe, while they may have had the patience to hide their hacking with a high-level toon, when they start fresh they blatantly rampage, hoping to level up quickly.

[Pella]

Anyone notice another recent influx of hackers? Its not the blatant ones anymore, it is the augmented players that are clearly aimbotting but playing like a normal player. ESP (wall hacks) are also getting pretty annoying. Hackers who are able to see you on the map with little red names and lines to point out where you are, even behind objects.

Is there no way to stop this? It takes a CSR way too long to find them, and even then, they are difficult to find :\

This kind of activity kills my mood and my fun when playing the game.

The hacks that are not blatant are rampant. I have noticed it allot on my server [MIller] You see ESF Pilots sniping you with rocket pods from such a distance where you will not even render as infantry.

Leroy who is B100 is blatant for this. Yet he wont get banned purely because if a GM was watching they would have absolutely no idea.

Sadly this is getting more apparent and SOE simply cannot do anything about it.

[MrMak]

He cant snipe you outside of render distance.....

Even if he had hacks that track you he wouldnt do damage anyway.

[Pella]

He cant snipe you outside of render distance.....

Even if he had hacks that track you he wouldnt do damage anyway.

Your right yes. I'm talking about the actual render distance to where you can physically see someone. Is much shorter when your flying.

In non heavy contested areas. Everyone renders. But yet he still rocket pods people from a distance outside of NV and being able to see them.

That's where the Red names and Boxes come into play that Sardus is talking about. Which put's a Box around all enemy players. So if your flying you can farm like no business at a safe distance.

[Lonehunter]

No not on Waterson.

I have been seeing a few GM annti-hacker broadcasts though, and it's not like EVERYONE knows they don't do those constantly. They only do them when they have a reason...

[Masterr]

http://www.twitch.tv/slv10k/c/2213820

This was last night. Obvious hack is obvious.

[Assist]

No not on Waterson.

I have been seeing a few GM annti-hacker broadcasts though, and it's not like EVERYONE knows they don't do those constantly. They only do them when they have a reason...

Most of the questionable aim guys were removed a long time ago on Waterson. There's been a ton of the anti-grav hackers on Waterson, but I haven't seen any aimbots recently.

[EvilNinjadude]

Most of the questionable aim guys were removed a long time ago on Waterson. There's been a ton of the anti-grav hackers on Waterson, but I haven't seen any aimbots recently.
There was one on Waterson a few weeks back, VS infil by the name of PinkiePiee. What basically happened was he 3-shotted me (as a flying LA) with a Beamer. From below. Nice headshots there innit. And later he took out his sniper rifle and started getting two-shot rapid fire kills. But as soon as I got back into my sundy and started using my M20 on him, he couldn't handle me worth crap. Wasn't even smart enough to dodge or hide.

Reported, never saw again. Av deleted, user lives on, who knows where he might be hacking next.

[Rumblepit]

most public hacks are detected and dealt with very fast. but vip hacks are another thing.these are very hard to spot, and most havn't a clue its even happening. esp/gps/radar , no spread,recoil, movement speed set to 5% so on and so forth. some of these players even after being ban have even convinced soe devs they were legit and were unban.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/character-5428010618039148401.php
http://www.planetside-universe.com/character-5428011263433385441.php
http://www.planetside-universe.com/character-5428035526968545617.php

these players were reported 100s of times ,then finally were ban only to be unban after crying to soe devs ,and customer service. dose this mean they are legit players, and they were ban wrongfully?NO...... it means soe staff are human and they make mistakes. after these players had their accounts reinstated i made it my mission in life to have those players ban again. and they were,and if you play on connery you have never seen those names since.

the problem with vip hacks is most cant spot them. most dont have enough play time in games where hackers were a prominent problem. i have played f2p games before,and i have had more hackers ban than most have ever seen, and my bs detector is pretty fing flawless...

my reports re guarding these players gave specific instructions to the devs on how and when to catch these scrubs.my point is, even the devs have problems spotting these players and with out our help they will continue to hack in game unless we do something about it.

i dont care if EVERYONE AND YOUR FING MOTHER SAYS YOUR LEGIT,EVEN IF YOU WERE BAN THEN UN BAN BY SOE AND THEY SAY YOUR LEGIT, if you trip my bs detector im going to make it my mission in life to see you ban.

[EvilNinjadude]

I have played f2p games before,and i have had more hackers ban than most have ever seen, and my bs detector is pretty fing flawless...

my reports re guarding these players gave specific instructions to the devs on how and when to catch these scrubs.my point is, even the devs have problems spotting these players and with out our help they will continue to hack in game unless we do something about it.

i dont care if EVERYONE AND YOUR FING MOTHER SAYS YOUR LEGIT,EVEN IF YOU WERE BAN THEN UN BAN BY SOE AND THEY SAY YOUR LEGIT, if you trip my bs detector im going to make it my mission in life to see you ban.
If true, then Do Want. However, as I once suggested on the official forums, and once here, we bloody well NEED FEEDBACK from SOE if our calls were right or wrong. And I mean easily accessible feedback.

Think about this for a moment. If you ever made a report where you weren't more than 90% sure you were right, wouldn't it be great for you to be able to improve your knowledge of hacks and ability to detect hacks by being told if you were wrong or not?

[Rumblepit]

If true, then Do Want. However, as I once suggested on the official forums, and once here, we bloody well NEED FEEDBACK from SOE if our calls were right or wrong. And I mean easily accessible feedback.

Think about this for a moment. If you ever made a report where you weren't more than 90% sure you were right, wouldn't it be great for you to be able to improve your knowledge of hacks and ability to detect hacks by being told if you were wrong or not?


i would never make a report against someone if i wasn't sure, and i always check the players stats on psu and ps official stats.

and im always improving my knowledge on hacks and hackers.
[Link Removed]
read up on their forums, keep up with their hacks and updates..... KNOW YOUR ENEMY...

lol funny story i was on this site snooping about and thought i would see if any of their forum users were stupid enough to use their forums names in game. lmao there were quite a few...... i reported them ALL....


see this is one thing they can do, and i did it just for the lolz. go to all the hack sites, check the forums, goto user names , then cross reference, observe and ban. simple.... cheep trick to thin out hackers. this one is on the house SOE

if any of you even think about questioning my motives for being on these sites then report me. the devs know how many hackers i report and from my reports they know how i feel about them. :)

[Thunderhawk]

Don't think its a good idea at all to have a link to a hack website on here.....

Don't care how good your bullshit detector is, dont frickin post links to these sites on PSU forums.

[Rumblepit]

Don't think its a good idea at all to have a link to a hack website on here.....

Don't care how good your bullshit detector is, dont frickin post links to these sites on PSU forums.

being oblivious to the problem helps no one.
i wasn't sure if i was allowed to post it, but i didn't read anything saying i couldn't, so i did.


i see so many people on here that are just clueless ." i have only seen 1 hacker since launch".
educate yourself ,be apart of the solution, not the problem.

[Falcon_br]

On my kill board, some of the users that Killed me most of the times, no longer exists.
I really don´t think that some people really delete BR-90 characters, I am only impressed that the reached that BR without getting banned!
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010618019212913/killboard/?view=deaths

[EvilNinjadude]

being oblivious to the problem helps no one.
i wasn't sure if i was allowed to post it, but i didn't read anything saying i couldn't, so i did.


i see so many people on here that are just clueless ." i have only seen 1 hacker since launch".
educate yourself ,be apart of the solution, not the problem.
Wait... why'd you be trying to block the links to hax sites? People who want them will find them anyways, there's always those desperate enough to resort to cheating.

Now, I will personally go around that forum, watch all the videos, and see what some of the most current hacks look like so I'll be prepared. Thank you RumblePit.
(I think hackers ruin the game, and anything achieved with skill and luck (DH Rocket launch OHK!:D) feels better than anything an Aimbot could ever do)

PS: First world Hacker problems: Why doesn't my teleport hack have an Aimbot come with it!?

[SKYeXile]

Haven't seen any hackers recently.

[Hamma]

Likewise.

[Binkley]

You guys either have your eyes shut, or are in some form of denial.

I yelled "hacker" at CHN9527 last week (not an accusation, he didn't even deny it). Look up his stats, it's obvious. There was a GM on, so I reported him and he was banned within minutes (nice work GM!). Then, minutes after that I get a tell from CHN95271 (note what he did there, trickey eh?) that he doesn't care about getting banned, they can't keep him out.

The obvious guys are, well, obvious and don't really bother me too much. However, I know there are more subtle/smart hackers out there and the feeling every time I get killed that maybe that dude was cheating does undermine the fun a bit.

[EvilNinjadude]

The obvious guys are, well, obvious and don't really bother me too much. However, I know there are more subtle/smart hackers out there and the feeling every time I get killed that maybe that dude was cheating does undermine the fun a bit.
The alternative would be to become paranoid. Why can't we all have dev tools so we can check who's hacking and who's not? :rolleyes:


(Seriously though, feedback on people we report would be nice)

[Sardus]

most public hacks are detected and dealt with very fast. but vip hacks are another thing.these are very hard to spot, and most havn't a clue its even happening. esp/gps/radar , no spread,recoil, movement speed set to 5% so on and so forth. some of these players even after being ban have even convinced soe devs they were legit and were unban.


Yes that's what I'm referring too. I know most of the kids with the downloadable hacks who were flying in the air ninja spinning and headshotting everyone around in a mile radius are gone.

I'm concerned about the smart aimbotters that are not easily spotted unless you really know what to look for. You also can't "spot" ESP hackers, which are extremely popular in this game. ESP hacks tell you where people are with little red lines and icons, so you can spot people through a wall. They may not even be using an aimbot, but still get a huge advantage on you because they know exactly where you are at all times.

The reason why I'm concerned is that SOE uses CSRs to watch players, but that's not enough sometimes. It is extremely hard to watch an aimbotter at work if they are smart about it. I just hope they are constantly improving their detection algorithms and such to detect when someone has 3rd party programs monkeying around with the game code/mechanics to give them a boost.

I just find this an important subject to constantly bring up, to remind SOE to not lay off on it. I know they're working hard, but they need to know they are still out there, and always trying to get back.

[Assist]

Yes that's what I'm referring too. I know most of the kids with the downloadable hacks who were flying in the air ninja spinning and headshotting everyone around in a mile radius are gone.

I'm concerned about the smart aimbotters that are not easily spotted unless you really know what to look for. You also can't "spot" ESP hackers, which are extremely popular in this game. ESP hacks tell you where people are with little red lines and icons, so you can spot people through a wall. They may not even be using an aimbot, but still get a huge advantage on you because they know exactly where you are at all times.

The reason why I'm concerned is that SOE uses CSRs to watch players, but that's not enough sometimes. It is extremely hard to watch an aimbotter at work if they are smart about it. I just hope they are constantly improving their detection algorithms and such to detect when someone has 3rd party programs monkeying around with the game code/mechanics to give them a boost.

I just find this an important subject to constantly bring up, to remind SOE to not lay off on it. I know they're working hard, but they need to know they are still out there, and always trying to get back.

Honestly haven't run into any aimbots in a long time on Waterson. There's some really good players on Waterson who are accused constantly of using them, but they actually are just good players.
Using walls would be really dumb in PS2 considering how loud footsteps and such are. Would be a giant waste of an account to get banned for something that gives such a small advantage in this game, lol.

There's quite a few people on Waterson to this day who are still convinced I hack(even with my shitty kd), so while maybe there is some mystical aimbot-catcher out there who is always right, for the most part I find people that are accusing people of hacking to be blowing smoke. I've been competing in FPS games since Quake1 tournys, watching demos back then and imo there are very few subtle hackers in this game.

On my kill board, some of the users that Killed me most of the times, no longer exists.
I really don´t think that some people really delete BR-90 characters, I am only impressed that the reached that BR without getting banned!
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010618019212913/killboard/?view=deaths

Who was that ? Or who do you think it was? I have one on the top of my deaths board as well, no idea who it was though. I think it's just the players site being inaccurate more than anything.

[Aurmanite]

I have seen a few players that I strongly suspect were running ESP and noclip/wall hacks in the last few weeks.

The really ugly hacks seem to have all but vanished. You get one person every now and then that will get banned 3 or 4 times and then get bored and move on.

Overall I think we're in half decent shape for F2P.

[Binkley]

Honestly haven't run into any aimbots in a long time on Waterson.

You are fortunate. Got killed by this loser today on Matherson, "LoganPing". Not hard to spot, hit me in the head 4 times from 100M with a carv on full auto. BR4 with K/D>10? The account has likely been banned already, but is he gone? Who knows?

[Falcon_br]

I have no idea of who is the guy banned on my death board. Looks like it is the same on yours.
Today I met this guy, unless you are on 20m+ away from him, it is a instant death:
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010618035518177/killboard
It was me plus 5 squad members on the same room and he killed us all.

[ShockFC]

Haven't seen any hackers recently.

Liar

[SKYeXile]

Liar

nope, got rid of all my mirrors and I dont look you in the face when I take you.

[Assist]

I have no idea of who is the guy banned on my death board. Looks like it is the same on yours.
Today I met this guy, unless you are on 20m+ away from him, it is a instant death:
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010618035518177/killboard
It was me plus 5 squad members on the same room and he killed us all.

He's legit, I duo defense with him unintentionally a few times :P As rare as it is, he's very good with the shotgun. Excellent reaction time

[ElSol]

Since Ceres has become the recomendes Server I also noticed that more hackers are on. Before that I saw only two or three in the whole time I was playing. But in the last days I died a lot to people that where really fast and made your head go "pling pling pling". All of a sudden they stand in front of you and you instantly die. They also now excatly where you are standing/went. Not funny at all. I reportet them but when the report message you get says you are ticketnumber 2601, I am getting a bad feeling.


we bloody well NEED FEEDBACK from SOE if our calls were right or wrong. And I mean easily accessible feedback.

Think about this for a moment. If you ever made a report where you weren't more than 90% sure you were right, wouldn't it be great for you to be able to improve your knowledge of hacks and ability to detect hacks by being told if you were wrong or not?
This would help alot. It could also be a system that counts how many times you were wrong and maybe ignores you if you call "hacker!" all the time.


The obvious guys are, well, obvious and don't really bother me too much. However, I know there are more subtle/smart hackers out there and the feeling every time I get killed that maybe that dude was cheating does undermine the fun a bit.
Thats maybe a little too much of paranoia, but I think when you see some guy running with the speed of an ESF, it gets you thinking; Maybe one or two of the other guys (not all of them) just turned of their speed.

[Narrack]

I've seen a few more hackers than normal but a lot more hackusations like me... I've been accused so many times of hacking to get to this spot in Biolabs that I've ended up making a video to show how i get there, Has anyone else found that people are blaming lots of things on hacks that clearly aren't?

http://youtu.be/YdKPoOwHVA0

[Sardus]

The last few days on connery have been pretty good. Haven't seen any.

[EvilNinjadude]

Haven't seen any obvious ones on Waterson, though one player once gave me doubts.

[PastalavistaBB]

In the last few days there are some blatant cheaters on European Servers. One killed around 2600 people in 8.5 hours on Miller. Since there are no in-game GMs anymore, he derped around without being disturbed.
Same thing on Cobalt today. A VS player obviously aimbotting, collision hacking and even flying. (Probably ESP hack too, since they come in one big package.) He admitted that he's cheating and wrote in the yell chat "You can't ban me. I have HWID and IP Bypass". It's really due time that SOE implements a proper Anti-Cheat software.

[Stormhall]

305 kills every second?? Or did I get my maths wrong again?

EDIT: Woops looks like it was actually 305 kills every hour. Damn!

[Plaqueis]

I can't remember meeting any obvious hackers ever at Cobalt (apart from the ones who knew how to get a sundy under the floor at Crown ages ago), although i haven't really played the game last month or so, too busy with DayZ SA.

I've been called a hacker few times though;
1st ever was a Mossie pilot who i shot down with a Magrider (he thought it was a good idea to hover in front of me like 50 meters away)...

one was some pre-nerf VulcanHarrasser nub who i killed in full speed with Manaturret, god that was glorious... i laughed my ass off, he started raging at me via pm's about how i was cheating and Manaturret was OP (guy with VulcanHarrasser, gunner and engineer onboard whining about something else being OP *rofl*)..

oh and one Reaver pilot landed his plane too close, got blown up by my lock-on launcher and threw a hissyfit calling me a hacker cause by his opinion i was too far to even get a lock-on.. :D

[synkrotron]

Well... S'funny you should mention hackers today. Yesterday I reported a guy who managed to kill half a dozen of us through spawn room shield.

Might of been a glitch and I messaged the guy but he simply ignored me (the right thing to do I suppose).

[Tatwi]

I was rummaging through the history of people I had interacted with in the last little while and found a person that I killed who had a 5 KDR, so I decided to check his killboard to see what he was doing right. Well, it's pretty clear that what he is doing is toggling his aimbot on at times. Periods of normal play accented by 10 seconds of nothing but headshots with an NC LMG. When I saw that I decided to take the time to compare his killboard to others in with the same 4 to 5 KDR and in ALL other cases the KDR was high due to MAX or vehicle usage. Some had an a run of infantry on their killboards, but none of them had strings of headshots like the first guy (who had 3 in a single second at one point...).

Indeed, SOE needs to get their shit together when it comes to stopping hackers/cheaters. SOE made a great system to track stats, but there's no point in paying attention to them, because who knows how many times you've been hurt by or have benefited from a hacker. Sadly, I doubt this will ever be fixed.

[BlaxicanX]

I'd like to see the statistics that support the claim of there being a surge of hackers, if it hasn't been posted already.

[ZeroDefex]

What chaps my ass is that there have also been a huge number of PS2 hacking videos on YouTube, with links to the software.

I really don't understand the idea of cheating in a game. Doesn't the lack of any considerable challenge Getty boring?

[BlaxicanX]

Possibly, but the fun of watching people who don't understand that a game is just a game get angry never ends.

[ZeroDefex]

This happened on Woodman, Esamir just a few minutes ago:

I was shot through the spawn room walls...

You told MeOrMyMoM: How are you shooting into the spawn room?
You told MeOrMyMoM: Reported
You told MeOrMyMoM: Cheating fuck.
[TELL] [MeOrMyMoM]: sorry, but im bypassing every hwid and ip bans
[SAY] [Smittys]: what the hell
You told MeOrMyMoM: seriously dude, you're a fucking worthless pussy. can't win by skill, so you have to cheat.
[TELL] [MeOrMyMoM]: proud of it
You told MeOrMyMoM: You shouldn't be. You must be won of those fucks who can't do anything in life.
[SAY] [ElementSmipes]: i hope your all happy spawn trapping us through walls
[MeOrMyMoM] killed you.
[YELL] [MeOrMyMoM]: i admit in whole server i am hacking
[YELL] [MeOrMyMoM]: do not bother reporting me as i can bypass HWID ban and IP bans (although that ip ban might take me a few mins but)
[YELL] [TheWorstEnemy]: guys i large fight i have lag do you mybe know why and how to fix it
[YELL] [Gezuschrist]: lol HWID and IP bypassing is easy as shit
[YELL] [MeOrMyMoM]: yes and they dont got any other bans to give me so its hopeless

Nice. I apologize for my language in the conversation, but you can see my frustration.

[ZeroDefex]

Possibly, but the fun of watching people who don't understand that a game is just a game get angry never ends.

Really? Are you saying that hacking is OK, because a game is just a game? The thousands of players who enjoy playing that game, me included, don't want it ruined by some zit-faced kid who can't win without cheating.

If you're not saying that, please clarify. You're making is sound as if you condone that behavior.

[PastalavistaBB]

I think the problem with F2P games is that anybody can create as much accounts as desired. And there's the technology of HWID and IP bypassing that every cheater now knows and uses. There's basically nothing to do for Game Companies unless they want to turn their game into a classical "pay once" or Subscription based game. F2P is the rising trend that is about to become the Industry Standard but has huge problems like not be able to prevent cheaters. The only way to prevent cheating in F2P games might be to have tons of GMs available any time of the day on all servers + automatic cheat detection that scans statistics of all players online continuously. Off course this option is quite expensive and considering that there are no GMs left at all in PS2 atm, I can't feel optimistic about the future of PS2. If there's anything that'll cause the downfall of PS2, it'll be the cheaters rather than balance problems causing people to quit.

[Stormhall]

Having un-paid volunteer players within the community act as GMs would be great! Get some really trusted players to act as GMs and have shifts between being a GM and playing normally or both if that's possible.

How has no one come up with this yet?

[Tatwi]

Having un-paid volunteer players within the community act as GMs would be great! Get some really trusted players to act as GMs and have shifts between being a GM and playing normally or both if that's possible.

How has no one come up with this yet?

SOE used to do something similar with Everquest II and Star Wars Galaxies.

[BlaxicanX]

Really? Are you saying that hacking is OK, because a game is just a game? The thousands of players who enjoy playing that game, me included, don't want it ruined by some zit-faced kid who can't win without cheating.

If you're not saying that, please clarify. You're making is sound as if you condone that behavior.

I'm saying that tears are delicious, regardless of how they're harnessed. It's exclusive from the morality of what way you choose to get them.

Hackers are dicks, and deserve to be banned, but if you let yourself get salty about them then you're just letting them win. Planetside 2 is a huge game. If someone's wall hacking you at Zurvan pump, report who you think they are and go somewhere else to fight. The chances of you meeting the same people in a day's worth of playing tends to be almost infinitely low unless they're apart of an organized platoon.

[Tatwi]

report who you think they are and go somewhere else to fight.

Except they can shoot people all the way across the map. Google it.

[PastalavistaBB]

Except they can shoot people all the way across the map. Google it.

And even if they don't shoot across the map, cheaters are looking for big fights. They just go wherever the fight is. Like other players.

[Badjuju]

Haven't noticed hackers lately, although I haven't really been looking either. Hackusations get tossed around so much that I probably dismiss suspicious deaths naturally. I'm sure a hacker has gotten me at some point and I took it as luck or nature of the game.

That being said, some people are very over zealous with their hackusations. Had one guy sending me tells for 20 minutes or so about how bad I was and where I get my aim bots from haha. Best part, I was streaming. The alt I was playing could possibly put me on rumble pits radar if he looked at my stat page or DA. Luckily I have video of me playing if anything were to happen, but it would be a miserable experience trying to get my account with a BR 100 recovered, not to mention fall out from the community once banned.

I'm not sure if SOE bans based off stats, but I would be careful about jumping to conclusions too quick unless player pages show impossible stats. Stats are easy to whore in this game.

I absolutely despise hackers as they ruin the game for everyone around them. I would see every one of them perma banned with their first transgression. However we have to be mindful that there are a ton of people shooting countless bullets in this open world game. Suspicious deaths will happen. Hardest part is figuring out if some one is doing it consistently and in situations where they should be able too.

I think it would be really helpful to have the range a bullet/projectile traveled included on killboards, although the devs may have this. One reason my alts stats are higher is that I've been plodding around as a heavy in close quarter environments. Whenever I engage at range I'm sure my stats, particularly head shots, decrease a fair bit. It would be interesting to know if the devs get this data. It would be helpful to the community as well if they could pull up a kill board and see if those 10 head shot kills in row were at 100m or 15m. The more tools we have at our disposal, the better we can help.

[Kirotan]

I don't get mad at the blatant hackers. The high BR ones that try to hide it very well frustrate me the most because I know they'll likely never get caught. Keep in mind I'm not a bad accusing players better than me of cheating; the list I have of people I think are cheating is very very short.

Examples include getting headshotted off my cloaked flash(driving at full speed) from 200m away(and I cloak before I crest the hill and come into LOS), getting headshotted the instant the accused turns the corner while I'm playing Light Assault(and I'm hiding up high, not firing, not moving, and not spotting, but somehow certain people instantly look up and put bullets into my head).

Other than that I'll never share who I suspect of cheating because the stigma of being someone that suspects others of cheating is often worse than being a suspected cheater (aka you're mad cuz bad).

[Larington]

The reaction time on the game session destroying severe hackers is definitely a problem. When I encounter someone that's definitely a severe hacker myself, I just skip the reporting process and send a tweet directly to @TheGreatMutato (That's Brad Wilcox, VP of Customer Services for Sony Online)

The /report reporting process seems to have a response time in the hours, whereas sending the tweet to that particular account has a reaction time of minutes. I logged in a few days back on Miller to find out people had been reporting a guy standing behind a wall for *two hours* who had reached over BR16 in one short play session. Sent some tweets and it was sorted in minutes (Though the scum came back more than once and had to be re-swatted a few times by the admins).

I make a point of only tweeting at Brad for the clear & severe cases though, since I assume he's probably pretty busy and/or has a life of his own.

[Tatwi]

getting headshotted the instant the accused turns the corner

I reported a person for this last night. We were on each other's screen for less than a second, right at a corner we were both running around from opposite sides. He was literally inside my body when we saw each other, yet he manage to land a head shot kill on me with a sniper rifle (heard the sound), while hip firing.

Later I looked at his stats and he's pretty good, but not super fantastic, so perhaps I happened to "lag out" at only that particular moment and thus I was on his screen far longer than he was on mine. Perhaps. Looked like cheating from my end and that's all I have to go upon, so reported.

Sucks to report people, but if we don't report these issue then they'll never be resolved, hackers and bugs alike.

[BlaxicanX]

Except they can shoot people all the way across the map. Google it.

Google'd it and didn't find much beyond peoples' personal anecdotes.

That's all I ever see, really.

Not disputing that hacking happens; this is a PC game afterall. The anecdotes are always exaggerated though. There are thousands of enemy players online at any time. Even if a hacker could kill you from the otherside of the map, why would he kill you and only you.

[Baneblade]

Sometimes I wonder how many NC run hacks just to be balanced with TR/VS.

[Tatwi]

Sometimes I wonder how many NC run hacks just to be balanced with TR/VS.

I swear to god there was bullet hole silhouette of me on the wall behind me last night when an NC met me in a door way last night. He hit everything but me, long enough for me to switch from my rocket to my rifle. Thankfully the poor guy hit me enough to kill me right then though. Almost would have let the poor bastard reload and try again.

I feel for the NC.

[Redshift]

Google'd it and didn't find much beyond peoples' personal anecdotes.

That's all I ever see, really.

Not disputing that hacking happens; this is a PC game afterall. The anecdotes are always exaggerated though. There are thousands of enemy players online at any time. Even if a hacker could kill you from the otherside of the map, why would he kill you and only you.

An outfit mate posted this last night as he was trying for the top spot. Those top two are hackers. They sat in the floor of bases with the left mouse button taped down...
This isn't the first time either, it's been bad all christmas
http://soulreapers.net/attachments/and-again-png.37/

[Redshift]

Logged back in this morning, good 3 way fight for an hour maybe 2, completely hosed by a hacker in under 5 minutes.
Looks like the same guy too.

[synkrotron]

They sound like some major hacks there...

My little gripe sounds like nothing in comparison, but I've just been headshot through a tower doorway shield and not even I can shoot through my own tower shields.

I was just lining the guy up for sniping and before I even started to walk outside of the shield wall he shot me first.

I know it's only a small thing but it's really starting to get to me now... Reporting doesn't seem to work so I might try to log it as a ticket instead.

[MaxDamage]

Yeah. It's a bit of a concern.
Shout them out in /y if you spot TR hackers on Miller, I don't want to benefit from or be associated with that shit.

Not that I care about benefitting, finally hit 100 today. \o/

[Tatwi]

finally hit 100 today. \o/

Grats!

[Binkley]

Saw a couple of hackers on Matherson last night. One was warping all around the Crossroads tower, mostly in the walls, trying to knife people. He didn't get me, so I wasn't able to report him. I would gladly volunteer to put a few hours a week into monitoring a server if SOE set up such a program. I miss being able to send a tell to a GM.

[Larington]

Had someone accuse me of aimbotting when I got lucky and spun around with a Jackhammer as an infil ran through the door I was stood next to... (I wish I was on fire like in those 3 minutes for the rest of my playtime) ...And got accused of aimbotting, eventually I got fed up of his attitude and told him if he's really that convinced then just use /report and that I was putting him on ignore. I don't mind chatting with other players but I can't be arsed with people who just want to rant at you.

Also had a run in with a hacker on Miller who was aimbotting inside the Snake Ravine capture tower, then moved to another big fight east of Peris, etc. etc. (Early enough in US time that I couldn't just tweet at Brad Wilcox) This bundle of joy was in for hours and got to BR26+ before he was finally swatted.
As I've said, there needs to be something built into the reporting system that gives priority to someone who gets mass reports in a short period of time so that severe hacking incidents get a response time of minutes instead of hours.

[synkrotron]

I was inside a Biolab, around Point A, and I got killed four times in one battle by two different people in a Prowler.

Is that a hack?

I mean, how is it possible to shoot into the middle of a Biolab with a Prowler?

[Binkley]

I don't like to make hackusations, so I'll let you decide...

This guy is romping around Matherson right now.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428153774128481553

[Plaqueis]

I don't like to make hackusations, so I'll let you decide...

This guy is romping around Matherson right now.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428153774128481553

Pretty obvious...

[Shamrock]

Just had another hacker ruin a decent fight at the Octagon on Miller, he always uses the same name profile 0000[name]0000, basically using a full suite of no-clip, ESP, with full auto aim bot slaughtering people by shooting from under the ground. No doubt after his session of pissing everyone off he just deletes the character and logs off.

I just checked out You Tube by typing PS2 hacks and there are guys actually selling this shit, id like to know what steps SoE are taking to combat this BS :mad:

[ZeroDefex]

Well, according to some of the replies I got to my well documented post on this thread, we're all whiners who are giving the hackers the attention that they want.

I disagree. It's a problem that needs to be addressed. Especially when the guy I was taking about was freely yelling that he was hacking and SOE couldn't do a damn thing about it.

That, my fellow Planetside lovers, is something that can ruin a great game.

[Sunrock]

Anyone notice another recent influx of hackers? Its not the blatant ones anymore, it is the augmented players that are clearly aimbotting but playing like a normal player. ESP (wall hacks) are also getting pretty annoying. Hackers who are able to see you on the map with little red names and lines to point out where you are, even behind objects.

Is there no way to stop this? It takes a CSR way too long to find them, and even then, they are difficult to find :\

This kind of activity kills my mood and my fun when playing the game.

The perks of F2P game.... The exelent CS support.


PS: BTW where is NSA? Now when NSA is spying on every one no matter who they are they might start to do some good and stop this hackers to get some good PR.

[Sunrock]

I was inside a Biolab, around Point A, and I got killed four times in one battle by two different people in a Prowler.

Is that a hack?

I mean, how is it possible to shoot into the middle of a Biolab with a Prowler?

Probably the old trick of flying in the MBT on top of a galaxy...

[Binkley]

I was inside a Biolab, around Point A, and I got killed four times in one battle by two different people in a Prowler.

Is that a hack?

I mean, how is it possible to shoot into the middle of a Biolab with a Prowler?

Were you inside the upper biodome, or in the garage below? It's easy for tanks to shoot through the garage shields, no hack required, just a render distance exploit. Not sure how a tank could shoot into the upper dome without the entire tank being in there (which is possible).

[Elahhez]

Normally i don't make hacusations either, but we had one on miller late one night in this new year, and he wasn't even attempting to hide it, and he admitted to it and said it made his game fun, and since its a f2p game, that in his mind was all that mattered and it was all fine.

I haven't met him since that night so i assume he got banned.

Some people....

[snafus]

I have had the poor luck of running into two hackers over this past week. My first encounter was one who be able to land all of his photon pod rounds on me even though I was being evasive and had considerable distance, might add he wasn't even facing me lol. My second encounter was with a another nefarious individual whom was able to some how track me with his rotary without again even looking at me. Watching the tracers follow you while his aircraft is flying a different direction is hilarious to watch.

[synkrotron]

Were you inside the upper biodome, or in the garage below?

I was inside the upper dome.

How on earth does a tank get up there?

One thing I thought it might be is that peeps can shoot at the underside of the dome and cause blast damage on the floor above. Is that possible?

[Plaqueis]

I was inside the upper dome.

How on earth does a tank get up there?

One thing I thought it might be is that peeps can shoot at the underside of the dome and cause blast damage on the floor above. Is that possible?

You can shoot inside Rashnu atleast, the highground near it is at same level as the landingpad.. however, i'm not sure if you can reach the cap points though.

[synkrotron]

Well... I was at Rashnu, as it happens, but I can't remember whether cap point A was in the LOS from the landing pad, and if the land was visible from there. But it sounds like that is the answer.

I'll remember to look next time I'm there. I didn't have the chance to look on the day because I was that busy chucking rez nades around :D

[nallar]

I reported a person for this last night. We were on each other's screen for less than a second, right at a corner we were both running around from opposite sides. He was literally inside my body when we saw each other, yet he manage to land a head shot kill on me with a sniper rifle (heard the sound), while hip firing.

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That's actually probably not cheating - if you get the timing right you can headshot people while not ADS with a bolt action if you fire as you go through their head.

Practice jumping at people and clicking as you're going through training dummies in VR, can get up to high success rate in a short time.

While it doesn't work well at all when actually playing, in that scenario the player probably just panic clicked upon realising you were there, and got the headshot due to lucky timing.

[Tatwi]

That sounds reasonable. Dumb, but reasonable. OHK sniper rifles should not be able kill at super close range, from a practical game play perspective. That's what pistols, shotguns, and smgs are for (note that none or those are OHK for balance reasons).