Is it time for a price review?

[Falcon_br]

I don't waste certs on weapons, they are to improve my character and weapon only.
But we must agree in one point:
We already got 5 shotguns in the game, we will probably a six one the NS shotgun.
All shotguns costing 1.000 certs it is not reasonable.
I think they should make the small clip fast reload costing 250 certs, the big clip and the full auto costing 500 certs and all pay to win also known as pump action should cost 1,000 certs!
So people can get shotguns without using 1.000 certs and always getting the latest one, who the hell will get the small clip fast reload semi auto shotgun today!?!?!? Just use that 1,000 certs on the latest pump action and be happy!
With the introduction of new weapons, lots of old ones get pointless, maybe a review of item cost will be welcome, so they got cheaper.
People that paid certs for them will receive those extra certs back, people who paid SC won't get anything back, just read the TOS and understand that if one item get the price changed, you won't receive back what you paid for it, like the real life.

[Snoopy]

I'd rather shotguns not have their certification cost decreased.

Enough people use shotguns as is.

[Koadster]

There's a lot of guns they needa drop price on. The faction a2g and at lock ons. Some of the old 1000 cert guns like the lynx, sabr13, t-16 rhino, tx2 emperor. Some of the NS vehicle weapons too. All the flash weapons are 1000. Atleast make the m20 basilisk 500 certs.

[Sunrock]

I don't waste certs on weapons, they are to improve my character and weapon only.
But we must agree in one point:
We already got 5 shotguns in the game, we will probably a six one the NS shotgun.
All shotguns costing 1.000 certs it is not reasonable.
I think they should make the small clip fast reload costing 250 certs, the big clip and the full auto costing 500 certs and all pay to win also known as pump action should cost 1,000 certs!
So people can get shotguns without using 1.000 certs and always getting the latest one, who the hell will get the small clip fast reload semi auto shotgun today!?!?!? Just use that 1,000 certs on the latest pump action and be happy!
With the introduction of new weapons, lots of old ones get pointless, maybe a review of item cost will be welcome, so they got cheaper.
People that paid certs for them will receive those extra certs back, people who paid SC won't get anything back, just read the TOS and understand that if one item get the price changed, you won't receive back what you paid for it, like the real life.

They need to stop putting in more infantry weapons to the game now. I do not want to see a new infantry weapon for the next 6 month, if ever.

Making old weapons "point less" is bad game design in a game like PS2. They need to find better ways to earn money. Maybe enforce sube fees? Yes me wants that. And yes I don't give a fuck about all you free loaders think about that.

But regarding lower the certs for shotguns... I don't really see the point with that. Shotguns is only really useful at close range where they can 1 (2) shot players. And if you want to have a something similar to a n00b tube you should to put in the certs for it too.

[Snydenthur]

I think not, this would make more people cry, since semi auto and especially the full auto shotguns are so much better, since they are far more forgiving to use. Maybe pump actions for 250 certs, so people would try them and see that they're not as good as people say.

[Dougnifico]

I understand having a high cert cost. It help generate revenue. I think that the SC cost of weapons needs to be dropped.

[camycamera]

this is my biggest complaint of the game: things are expensive when it comes to certs. 1000c for guns are way too much, that is the same as 70 HOURS to get that many. 70. lower them to say 800, i'd be at least a tad happier. and the prices are all over the place, it doesn't make any sense: 100 for the m-77b, which is an outstanding bolt action sniper btw, and excellent for the price, but then 1000 for a 50 cal, which, lets face it: DOES EXACTLY THE SAME BASIC DAMAGE. 2 to the chest to kill, 1 for head. makes 0 sense.

but the prices for the upgrades in weapons and utilities etc need a revamp as well.

for example, lets look at the C4. 250c for 1, but to get another it is 500? do you know how long that takes? why don't you make it 250 again? it is a reasonable amount of certs, and actually makes fucking sense: each c4 costs 250c.


but an even better example of this is the flak armour. 1 for the first, then 10, 50,150, and then 1000?! makes 0 sense again. stupid.




SOE already get money anyway, but to stop it from being pay 2 win, F2Pers need to be able to play for free without having to grind a shit load for a tiny upgrade. i dont want to play 70 hours just so i can get 15% better of x. and i'm sure that even players who pay some stuff would agree with the prices of the utilities (because you can only unlock them with certs) etc. i'd rather grind 10 hours to get that gun.


although i do like them raising the xp with vehicles and alerts :D


that's my 2 cents regarding cert prices, anyway.

[HiroshiChugi]

All the flash weapons are 1000.

Not true. There are three weapons that are NOT 1,000 certs. The Kbalt (.50 cal MG) and two others that Iforget the name of. The Kobalt is 100 certs and the other two are priced at 250 certs and 500 certs. The rest are 1,000 certs.

[Ghoest9]

I don't waste certs on weapons, they are to improve my character and weapon only.
But we must agree in one point:
We already got 5 shotguns in the game, we will probably a six one the NS shotgun.
All shotguns costing 1.000 certs it is not reasonable.
I think they should make the small clip fast reload costing 250 certs, the big clip and the full auto costing 500 certs and all pay to win also known as pump action should cost 1,000 certs!
So people can get shotguns without using 1.000 certs and always getting the latest one, who the hell will get the small clip fast reload semi auto shotgun today!?!?!? Just use that 1,000 certs on the latest pump action and be happy!
With the introduction of new weapons, lots of old ones get pointless, maybe a review of item cost will be welcome, so they got cheaper.
People that paid certs for them will receive those extra certs back, people who paid SC won't get anything back, just read the TOS and understand that if one item get the price changed, you won't receive back what you paid for it, like the real life.

I dont see any real reason for these changes other than that that they make some people happy - but that reason applies to every weapon in the game really.

[hashish]

Yea reduction in the price of weapons would really speed up the progression in the game. And also, more importantly for SOE, their sales via station cash would decrease.. So no matter how much you guys say you want price revision, its not in SOE's interest to do so..

In a way its good to have slow progression, keeps you playing longer.. I think as they add tons more vehicles + weapons + continents + metagame + sanc and much much more... Then things would defiantly NEED to be cheaper in order to increase the progression rate..

[CrimsonTemplar]

I don't waste certs on weapons, they are to improve my character and weapon only.
But we must agree in one point:
We already got 5 shotguns in the game, we will probably a six one the NS shotgun.
All shotguns costing 1.000 certs it is not reasonable.
I think they should make the small clip fast reload costing 250 certs, the big clip and the full auto costing 500 certs and all pay to win also known as pump action should cost 1,000 certs!
So people can get shotguns without using 1.000 certs and always getting the latest one, who the hell will get the small clip fast reload semi auto shotgun today!?!?!? Just use that 1,000 certs on the latest pump action and be happy!
With the introduction of new weapons, lots of old ones get pointless, maybe a review of item cost will be welcome, so they got cheaper.
People that paid certs for them will receive those extra certs back, people who paid SC won't get anything back, just read the TOS and understand that if one item get the price changed, you won't receive back what you paid for it, like the real life.

I'll say that Shotgun prices are unreasonable. I mean if what you say is true, then 1.000 is actually ludicrously cheap. No wonder they're an issue, so bump up the price I say.:lol:

[ThatGoatGuy]

I'll say that Shotgun prices are unreasonable. I mean if what you say is true, then 1.000 is actually ludicrously cheap. No wonder they're an issue, so bump up the price I say.:lol:
Dido

[Galron]

You can play the game for free, but you will only be limited in your cert acquisition speed. If you want to try different things faster or be slightly better faster you pony up the cash. 15 a month really isn't that bad, I think SOE prices things to get you to spend money, because they would be dumb not to. I don't think these prices are unreasonable but then again I'm not a freeloader.

[psijaka]

Maybe enforce sube fees? Yes me wants that. And yes I don't give a fuck about all you free loaders think about that.

Yes but you would give a fuck about the plummeting population levels that would result when the freeloaders and casual SC spenders who don't want to pay a sub leave, wouldn't you?

Yea reduction in the price of weapons would really speed up the progression in the game. And also, more importantly for SOE, their sales via station cash would decrease.. So no matter how much you guys say you want price revision, its not in SOE's interest to do so..

In a way its good to have slow progression, keeps you playing longer...

^ this.

[Hamma]

I don't see any of this stuff changing in the near term - SC or Certs.

[Rolfski]

TBH, the speed in which the average player is progressing is ok now. Nowadays, there are way more ways to get XP compared to launch, making 1000 certs weapons less of an impossible grind, although still expensive.

I do however think that not all new weapons should automatically be 1000 certs / 700 SC.



As for the older weapons, a cert/SC drop where they have to refund players is likely not going to happen.

[KesTro]

The prices are fine since they SIGNIFICANTLY increased the rate of certs you get with ribbons and alerts.

If you feel the rate is still too slow for you you could always drop the money for a membership, they are a business after all and I am more than willing to support them and gain the conveniance of faster certs while doing so.

*EDIT* Something else to consider is PS2 is a game based around progression. What good would it do to have progressed enough to own everything you could ever want in half a year? While some of you may be laughing at that or thinking it's impossible there are plenty of players nearly at that point already on Connery.

[MrMak]

We might get a price review when people stop buying at full price. Looking at the fact some people bought "Golden Revolvers" im not seeing any sign of that hapening any time soon.


I mean if SOE lowered prices now it wouldnt be a very smart buisnes choice. Especialy looking at the situation Sony as a whole is in now.

[Roderick]

Agreed with another poster on here. It is not in SOE's best interest to lower their cert prices. They are in the business to make money, not give it to you for free without putting in some work. Those out there that really want an item being sold are going to buy the item no matter what.

Those wanting a break on purchasing an item with SC can wait for the item to be put up for sale sometime down the road.

As for the shotguns, instead of reducing their cost, I would favor SOE removing redundant shotguns from the game and crediting the player to buy the remaining shotgun. One auto, one semi-auto, and one pump action.

Those that have the TR Uppercut for example should see no real upgrade from buying a TR Blackjack unless that 1 extra pellet and reload behavior means that much to the player. Otherwise, the stats are identical. Too much redundancy in certain weapons.

[Falcon_br]

I don´t think some guys understand my point.
Refunding Certs for weapons I am ok with that, because people played a lot to earn it, it is about game time.
Refunding SC is never going to happen, it is like buying a car today, if tomorrow it gets a price reduction, you won´t receive anything back. It is on SOE TOS.
Of course that on my case it won´t make a difference, I never get anything with certs that I can get with SC. But like I said in the TR under population topic, just because it doesn´t affect me, doesn´t means I don´t care about it.
And my point is still the same, when we got 3 shotguns, one o them really don´t need to cost 1.000 certs, now that we got 5, not all of them must cost 1.000 certs!
It is like progression, everyone that got the M77-B started enjoying much more the game, it only costed 100 certs and now he is sniping all day long. Soon he will get SC so he can change it to the .50, when he get auraxis medal with it, he will change to the SR-7, who knows!
So all weapon category should have a 100 cert weapon, another 250 certs weapon, the 500 certs weapon, and for the last two 1.000 certs weapons.
In this way there is a progression in the game, if I am a free user and I play with light assault, I could be a Brink player that loves to jump and shotgun fire, when I get in the game, play a bit, get the first shotgun for 100 certs, soon I will put SC on the game to get the other ones! More people may continue to play the game.
And it is no longer 70 hours to gain 1,000 certs, free players on my outfit are doing it every week and asking what weapon he should get, now the rate with daily bonus, alerts and everything are about 80 certs / hours what means 12 hours of play to get 1,000 of it.
And lets be real, people complaining they already reach the end of the game, and the progression should be slow, really don´t have much to do besides playing this game, decreasing progression because of them, while it got increase a lot in the past months and everyone is happy if that, it is pointless to don´t say bad words about it.

[Tom Peters]

who the hell will get the small clip fast reload semi auto shotgun today!?!?!

I would, because with an extended clip, it has 10 shots.

[Falcon_br]

I would, because with an extended clip, it has 10 shots.

So, you point it is, because some people would buy it, even all the other shotgun having better score/minutes, they should keep the price up?
So, let´s do a price review based on that, time to increase the TMG-50 price to 700 SC / 1000 certs, because it is the most used TR weapon!
Or let´s keep on the original price from the launch, where there are weapons in the same category with 100/250/500/1000/1000 so people can scale up, and buy more weapons from the same category, instead of going straight to the 1000 cert weapon.

[BIGGByran]

I buy my weapons at 75% off! Atleast.

How?

1) Buy SC when it is Double Station cash

2) Buy weapons when it is 50% off

So a $7 weapon now only cost $1.75.

I wish they would "normalize" the prices. Meaning like:
1000 Certs/700 SC
500 Certs/700 SC

Why is an item that cost 500 certs the same SC cost as a 1000 cert item. That doesn't make sense.

"Normalize" the prices to where it is 1 SC = 2 Certs so:
100 SC item cost 200 certs to get
500 SC item cost 1000 certs to get

This will encourage people to use SC over certs and help the company make money.

[psijaka]

I wish they would "normalize" the prices. Meaning like:
1000 Certs/700 SC
500 Certs/700 SC

Why is an item that cost 500 certs the same SC cost as a 1000 cert item. That doesn't make sense.

"Normalize" the prices to where it is 1 SC = 2 Certs so:
100 SC item cost 200 certs to get
500 SC item cost 1000 certs to get

This will encourage people to use SC over certs and help the company make money.

Agree; just doesn't make sense that there isn't a universal conversion rate.

[Falcon_br]

Agree; just doesn't make sense that there isn't a universal conversion rate.

I also agree, because there are weapons for most of the vehicles that costs 100 certs / 250 SC.
Because I only get weapons with SC, that means I will wait forever for those weapons to get on sale to get them!
If I could play 50 SC for them, I would have already unlocked them all!

But we discussed this on beta, it was to avoid p2w and give options to free players, so you can everything with SC, but there are some weapons that it is better to buy with certs.
Now, after 6 months of the release, we realize that it is stupid and it is time to change it.

[Rasui]

How about some love for MAX users. 1000 certs plus another 500 for extended mag PER ARM!

[Falcon_br]

My first double post ever! Give me a first double post prize!

[Falcon_br]

How about some love for MAX users. 1000 certs plus another 500 for extended mag PER ARM!

It is also another point to be discussed!
Everyone asks for night vision or even a flashlight to the max suits.
But that's not the point here.
Now that we are getting new max weapons, they should also scale up so free players can unlock some of them!
Maybe the default weapon, the other arm can cost 250 certs, so people can make anti personal maxes from the beginning, I recall that until the release of the max bundle, I combined the anti inf + anti air to go fight infantry, with a price reduction, new players should not have to live with it for a long time like I did.
So, the default costing 250, the next one nobody uses, like the mutilator, can be 500 certs, the mercy and the new one they are going to release someday 1000 certs.
Also, the first generation of anti tanks have a price reduction to 500 certs, the second one still costing 1000. But maybe it is better to wait for the third generation so we can have a better scale up.
I also think that a reduction of extended mags to 200 certs would be nice, because 500 for each weapon is too much! Maybe if they create new attachments, like auto loader (faster reload), laser sights, and gyroscopes (so you can fire on the move with less penalties) would be awesome.
I think I will send my résumé to SOE, maybe they will hire me to the creative department, or maybe my high degree on telecommunications can solve the adadad macro on the game, who knows!

[Ruffdog]

I dont think its 70 hours per 1000 certs anymore. Thats a bit of an Angry Joe throwback. Certainly for older players who have invested time 10,000 xp an hour isnt outside of possibility (or 15k with alpha, 20k with alpha+ tier6 membership)

1000 certs x 250xp = 250000xp needed

/10000 = 25 hours
/15000 = 16.66 hours
/20000 = 12.5 hours

New guys may struggle to get these numbers, unless I suck and I'm way off - you decide - but with ribbons and alerts now they've got it better than we had it when we started out. Thats a fact.

Some stuff does need the odd tweak but not a blanket change. Not with the way you can accumuate xp now

[Gatekeeper]

It does seem strange that some categories of basic weapons (MAX weapons and HA AV) don't have the 100, 250, 500, 1000 cert-cost progression that all the others do.

Since the unlockable AV weapons are significantly stronger than the basic ones and dual-wielding MAXs are far more effective than those with a mix of AI and either AA or AV, this ends up feeling very pay-to-win.

Definitely agree with the suggestion of at least making a second basic AI MAX weapon available for a fairly low cert cost.

[psijaka]

How about some love for MAX users. 1000 certs plus another 500 for extended mag PER ARM!

Worth it though :D

Hopefully the new weapons will be more reasonably priced.

[HiroshiChugi]

It does seem strange that some categories of basic weapons (MAX weapons and HA AV) don't have the 100, 250, 500, 1000 cert-cost progression that all the others do.

Since the unlockable AV weapons are significantly stronger than the basic ones and dual-wielding MAXs are far more effective than those with a mix of AI and either AA or AV, this ends up feeling very pay-to-win.

Definitely agree with the suggestion of at least making a second basic AI MAX weapon available for a fairly low cert cost.

How about a version of the Kobalt? It's only slightly good at infantry, and nothing else really. It only costs 100 certs, so why not mount it on the MAX? :D! :groovy: :cool: :)

[psijaka]

How about a version of the Kobalt? It's only slightly good at infantry, and nothing else really. It only costs 100 certs, so why not mount it on the MAX? :D! :groovy: :cool: :)

Interesting possibility. It's the Basilisk that I would like to try on a MAX; excellent all round weapon.

[HiroshiChugi]

Interesting possibility. It's the Basilisk that I would like to try on a MAX; excellent all round weapon.

See? THIS is why I was debating on making an alt NC on Ceres; all I ever get from Ceres is better and better ideas.