Warning!! Do not buy the Fury inc nerf.

[snafus]

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As with much of the more recent changes SOE has been putting the changes on the test server prior to launch. Currently the Fury on the test server has had its damage almost cut in half. Now this isn't absolute proof that the nerf will take place but it is a strong indicator. The issue now comes in they have yet again put an item on sale right before an incoming nerf is about to take place. I speak of the Mercy sale which took place before last update. Was a great deal that many were waiting on but SOE seemed to think it was a good idea to sell an item before giving it the old nerf bat. I leave it up to you guys to decide but our outfit felt it would only be right to bring this to light and show these shady sales SOE has been implementing.

[NUKABAZOOKA]

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Not the battle bus!

[Brusi]

EDIT: just tested it myself - Confirmed.

Currently takes 4 hits to kill a MAX.

On test it takes 6.

[p0intman]

this really pisses me off that they nerf things after selling them in order to drive other sales. WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with you $OE?

[Falcon_br]

Fuuuuuuuuu!
I really love the m525 on my prowler, but I think I can live with that, always adviced my gunners to shot the 10 shots all the time because the reload is fast, so a direct hit nerf won't be that bad, it will just be useless against enemy armor!

[Snydenthur]

Even when they nerf it, it's still the best weapon you can have for the flash.

[Varsam]

probably because flash cloak + 1hko fury was pretty cheesy. It's ridiculously good now, post-nerf it'll only be pretty good. I really don't know what you guys are crying about.

[Baneblade]

Is it only the Flash Fury or all Furies?

[Jax Blake]

http://i.imgur.com/GPmjXsQ.png

[Ghoest9]

probably because flash cloak + 1hko fury was pretty cheesy. It's ridiculously good now, post-nerf it'll only be pretty good. I really don't know what you guys are crying about.


I think they are upset that the items is put on sale (with no explaination) the day be for the damage is cut by over half.

Over powered or not that a lame move by SOE.

[Koadster]

Fuuuuuuuuu!
I really love the m525 on my prowler, but I think I can live with that, always adviced my gunners to shot the 10 shots all the time because the reload is fast, so a direct hit nerf won't be that bad, it will just be useless against enemy armor!

P525 Marauder is NOT the M40 Fury. Which is very lucky because I too love my P525, been using it since Oct! Currently on test the P525 is still same stats as live.

[psijaka]

I do think that the Fury is OP, especially on a Flash with Wraith cloaking (I have this combo myself, although don't use it much.).

BUT - really sneaky to offer the Fury in a sale immediately prior to a nerf! Assuming that the nerf does take place, that is.

[camycamera]

lol, nerfing is everywhere in PS2

[HiroshiChugi]

If anyone has payed attention, the M40Fury is a GRENADE LAUNCHER. GRENADE LAUNCHERS fire LESS EFFECTIVE grenades than infantry throw. Imho, it is a very much needed because it is a GRENADE LAUNCHER.

[Sledgecrushr]

Flash fury needed a nerf. Its too bad that its on sale right now before it gets the hit. Kind of a stupid decision imo.

[omega four]

I'm not surprised at this. You all shouldn't be either.

SOE has been farming PS2 gamers since the beginning. It's only now that gamers are starting to finally wake up and take notice.

I can't help but laugh whenever I hear about another gamer who has spent $200+ on PS2....

[EvilNinjadude]

I thought that stuff like this was from a list. One day I bought the Indar Scrub camo (infantry) on sale, the next the daily sale was Indar Scrub camo for weapons. So it's manual then? I'm confused.

[DirtyBird]

Is it only the Flash Fury or all Furies?
All of them atm.

[Fafnir]

I don't know what should I think about it.

Is it...
...a well deserved nerf to cheesy invisible and deadly Flashes?
...an unexpected nerf to a weapon that's mostly effective against idiots?
...an unjustified nerf to a glasscannon, which is deadly yet very vulnerable?
...a massive nerf, because now Flash drivers will have to stop to kill anyone?

Probably all of them.

This change will promote AMS Sunderer camping, because normal driving fast and killing will be much, much harder.

"Buy Fury now, just before we nerf it. Then you can abandon Flash and spend your cash on Harraser, which we will nerf as well."

Yeah...

[CraazyCanuck]

This is almost as good as the Saw fix. Wraith + Fury was ridiculous.

[Koadster]

Since SOE uses the excuse a Flash Fury is different to the Sunderer Fury with accountwide unlocks.. Well then the Flash fury should get nerfed but not the Sundie one.

[CraazyCanuck]

Since SOE uses the excuse a Flash Fury is different to the Sunderer Fury with accountwide unlocks.. Well then the Flash fury should get nerfed but not the Sundie one.

Agreed. And excellent point sir.

[ThatGoatGuy]

Man am I thankful that I enjoy using the Basilisk. I was really intending on getting the fury on the Harasser, but I think I'll wait for some nerfs before I get it.

[Rbstr]

probably because flash cloak + 1hko fury was pretty cheesy. It's ridiculously good now, post-nerf it'll only be pretty good. I really don't know what you guys are crying about.

Yeah, Fury + cloak is complete bullshit at the moment.

The fact someone spent money on it doesn't excuse it from being bullshit. Caveat emptor when buying stuff that's obviously going to get hit with a nerf at some point.

[wasdie]

I really believe that those sales are not really dictated by people but rather their store is running some random algorithm that puts stuff up to sale each day. This is just a coincidence.

Honestly the way you people bitch about this game, why do you even play? They aren't going to stop trying to sell people things while they are constantly working on balance. Stuff like this is going to happen until the game is finally shut down. They are going to balance things regardless of whether they put it on sale or not. Balance is balance.

This forum is becoming as bad as the official forums with the constant whining. It's really becoming a drag to be associated with this community.

[Fenrys]

It should be obvious by now that you buy equipment for the role it fills and not the particular stats on any given day. Expect all the stats to change in the name of making 'it' balanced in the role it was made to fill - could be buffed, could be nerfed, could be one then the other. Details change, but primary function is static.

With that said, I hope the Scout Rifle gets buffed again, because it still isn't capable of filling in the range between SMG and BASR.

[CrimsonTemplar]

I really believe that those sales are not really dictated by people but rather their store is running some random algorithm that puts stuff up to sale each day. This is just a coincidence.

Exactly.

[bpostal]

I'm going to go ahead and take the long view. Even if (ohnoes!) it does get nerfed, in the end it'll be balanced.
I only really see two outcomes, either:
A: It gets nerfed and is useless until the end of time (or the end of the game) in which case if balancing is that bad that they give up on it, I'll have given up on this game.
B: Sooner or later it will be balanced and will have been worth the purchase.

OR: I can go ahead and try to divine the next OP weapon and ride that until it gets (rightfully) nerfed.

[Corvo]

All of them atm.

Are you sure?

This is very strange. The devs stated a number of times that weapons that appear the "same" to us, like M40 Sunderer Fury and M40 Flash Fury are actually differrent weapons that they are able to tweak separately.

I agree that OHK invisible Flashes are out of hand (never should have allowed to equip weapons on Wraith-equipped Flashes imo), but nerfing Sunderer Fury is completely unnecessary.

I am going back to the Test server to double check.

Edit: Here's what I've found. All of them have been nerfed.

This is a public test server, so all of this is subject to change.

http://i.imgur.com/YtouGjp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nWvRujE.jpg

[KesTro]

Thanks good guy Snafu! *thumbs up*

..Still a Mossi 'do.

[MrMak]

I was jsut on the test server and it still one hit kills on a direct hit (at least the Haraser variant)

[ItZMuRdA]

Interesting. I could think of things that I feel could use a nerf more than this, but whatevs, I'll adapt and roll with the punches as usual.

[AThreatToYou]

They shouldn't nerf the reload time... it was long enough already. Oh well. As long as the indirect TTK isn't..

oh well shit. The indirect TTK should not have been changed. It's going to take 3 shots now, meaning you'll only have a clip size enough for 1 full kill (on one target, it still has AOE) and a 50% increase in TTK. They should at least increase the rate-of-fire.

[snafus]

I really believe that those sales are not really dictated by people but rather their store is running some random algorithm that puts stuff up to sale each day. This is just a coincidence.

Honestly the way you people bitch about this game, why do you even play? They aren't going to stop trying to sell people things while they are constantly working on balance. Stuff like this is going to happen until the game is finally shut down. They are going to balance things regardless of whether they put it on sale or not. Balance is balance.

This forum is becoming as bad as the official forums with the constant whining. It's really becoming a drag to be associated with this community.

There is no random algorithm, they have admitted they plan out these sales well ahead of time. The issue is the sales crew are not communicating with the balance devs, or so they say. Weather it is an intentional setup to sell and item under false pretense of future value. Or simply incompetence on SOE for allowing a sale on an item right before a nerf for the fourth time. It is not acceptable behavior from a company for either situation. Regardless of the reason for the nerf they should know better to allow something like this to happen.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/yesterday-mercy-on-sale-today-mercy-nerfed.117671/

[Saintlycow]

Nerf the M40, and I shall nerf the amount of cash I dump into the game... Which has been 0 at this point :/

Still, it's a novel weapon. Wraith M40 is fine, I've been shot off plenty of times. The grenades are not the issue, it's the cloak

[Hamma]

Don't forget Test isn't always representative of what we will see on final release. That being said I hope they don't nerf my beloved favorite flash weapon. :(

[Baneblade]

I use dual Fury on my Sunderer... it is essentially my artillery platform. So I'm not going to like a nerf.

[Boildown]

They did that with the Piston. Put it on sale, next day nerfed it to obscurity. Then a week later they put it on sale again in case anyone hadn't heard about the nerf.

[Tom Peters]

Even when they nerf it, it's still the best weapon you can have for the flash.

This.

The Fury was definitely overpowered versus infantry.

[NotTheMomma]

This.

The Fury was definitely overpowered versus infantry.

Maybe I might accept that in regard to the Flash. Maybe. But roll you up a VS alt on Mattherson, and I'll take you and a buddy into a fight in my Battle Bus -- which will rarely, if ever, stop moving or we'll shortly explode -- and we'll see how OP you think 5-round Furies are against infantry, which will rarely stop moving either (for the same reason).

We'll see how OP you think they are when somebody else is behind the wheel, bumping over terrain and dodging rockets, instead of firing from the driver's seat of the Flash where you're in control.

Let's just say I'm not anticipating a lot of driver XP out of this experiment.

[MBVS]

Nerf the M40, and I shall nerf the amount of cash I dump into the game... Which has been 0 at this point :/
Saintlycow used random empty threat.
Its not very effective.

I don't see what the big deal is. Even with the nerf it is still the most effective weapon for the Flash.

[JesNC]

Saintlycow used random empty threat.
Its not very effective.

I don't see what the big deal is. Even with the nerf it is still the most effective weapon for the Flash.

It's not just the Flash. That nerf would pertain through all the M40 variants for the different vehicles- well, there's only 2 right now: Sunderer and Harasser.

Why would anyone equip a M40 instead of a Bulldog or Halberd after this? The beauty of the Fury was that it could take out infantry extremely fast while still being able to do decent damage to armor, all at the expense of some gunner skill. But 2 shots to kill infantry and 50+ shots to the rear of a tank? C'mon....

[Stubek]

Well you might as well get used to it.

Shotguns are OP so we gonna nerf them but one patch later we gonna introduce new kind of shotgun that has few pellets more so it can be sold. Month or two later you will see (when they sell enough) "Due to popular demand we nerfed shotguns. Now they will shot plastic pellets that will bounce off enemies and only way you can kill them is a)old age b)laughter but they are still nice inventory decoration".

Cycle will be repeated with new flavor of the month weapon. While that can be annoying and seem unfair they really do enable you to get weapons for free since you can farm 1k certs in day or two without big issues. Subscribers get them for free (48*30=1440 if you log in every day) and changes are not to rapid. Also all items can be obtained with certs (no, you don't need golden commissioner, regular one works same way w/o cheez points) so i wouldn't call it pay2win kind of game.

I am a bit sad with selection of weapons made and converting it to infantry side so it can be MLG but that's whole other issue.

[Fafnir]

I don't see what the big deal is. Even with the nerf it is still the most effective weapon for the Flash.

We will have to hit someone twice to kill him. It's hard enough to hit anyone once, while going at high speed, but we will have to be stationary or driving over flat ground.

This will promote Sunderer camping and discourage the actual fun - driving around and killing. Those who still want to do that have to buy the Renegade - SOE basically forces us to do so.

[Snydenthur]

Why would anyone equip a M40 instead of a Bulldog or Halberd after this? The beauty of the Fury was that it could take out infantry extremely fast while still being able to do decent damage to armor, all at the expense of some gunner skill. But 2 shots to kill infantry and 50+ shots to the rear of a tank? C'mon....

Yet majority of the forum community accepts nerfing shotguns without any problems. I thought people are against one shotting. Why would it be good for pump action having no chance of ohk, but invisible atv with a grenade launcher should be ohk?

For the record, I'm not into any nerfing and I don't really have problems with wraith + fury, but you need to understand that a lot of people will get their favorites nerfed, when whine is the major source of balancing. It's not really ok to whine about something but when the nerf is about to hit the favorite of yourself, it's suddenly a bad thing.

This is not directed at you personally, but for the community overall.

[JesNC]

Yet majority of the forum community accepts nerfing shotguns without any problems. I thought people are against one shotting. Why would it be good for pump action having no chance of ohk, but invisible atv with a grenade launcher should be ohk?

For the record, I'm not into any nerfing and I don't really have problems with wraith + fury, but you need to understand that a lot of people will get their favorites nerfed, when whine is the major source of balancing. It's not really ok to whine about something but when the nerf is about to hit the favorite of yourself, it's suddenly a bad thing.

This is not directed at you personally, but for the community overall.

You're right, of course. I can see that a stealth OHK gun isn't balanced (Renegade shotgun anyone? Oo).

It's just that I really mourn the loss of a good AV grenade launcher on the larger platforms.

And tbh I don't think they balance stuff due to community complaints - if that was the case, PA shotguns would be out of the window entirely by now. I think the Dev are doing a really good job by looking at the statistics before caving in to forum nerdrage.

[EvilNinjadude]

I want a good Flash AV weapon. The Flash is so damn fragile you can kill it in one shot with any AV weapon, but bring more than 1 flash, with an AP weapon...

Flash mob, LOL!

Seriously, I can see flash as an anti-armor weapon with a TON of potential. Maybe bring lockdown to the flash instead of the MAX? xD