Scythes: Bugged or Intentional Design

[omega four]

I've noticed that many scythe pilots are now intentionally trying to ram enemy aircraft. It appears that scythes always fare much better after a collision taking much less to little damage vs. the complete destruction of the enemy aircraft they intentionally rammed.

Is this a bug or an intentional design of scythe aircraft?

[Shogun]

if this is intentional, it should require a certed module! the suiscythe

but the other factions should get something unique in return.

[HiroshiChugi]

I think it's a bug. I haven't had this happen to me yet, as I am always shot down first (as I am TERRIBLE at A2A combat).


Edit: Sometimes I wonder how I can even be shot down with some of the crazy sh*t I do when I'mbeing chased down... :P Maybe I'll make a vid sometime? o-O

[Obstruction]

nah i've been seeing them ram sunderers to death and fly away. but we were trying to keep it quiet so it doesn't get more out of hand. :(

[ThatGoatGuy]

Haha the other day I was playing on my VS. I put two clips into a lib with my rotary, and his belly gun tried shooting at me. I rammed him and he blew up haha.

[HiroshiChugi]

Error, look for post below.

[Canaris]

You mean kinda like this?

http://cheezburger.com/7405633536

Hiroshi can I give you some advise for posting picture, you don't copy the web link from the top of the page and put it in the [img]**[img]

you right click on the picture itself and go to properties, copy that address and put it in the [img] section on this forum.

Viola no more Red X's ;)

[ThatGoatGuy]

You mean kinda like this?

http://cheezburger.com/7405633536

Yeah can't see that pic :\

[Roderick]

Not a fun bug to be a victim of.

The Scythe pilot attempts to fly directly head on against the enemy ESF and then quickly flies over the enemy ESF causing the bug to kick in. The result is the enemy ESF receives nearly 95% damage up to the complete destruction of the ESF while the Scythe may receive anywhere from 0% to 50% damage.

I hope they address this issue soon. Not fun to see Scythe pilots exploiting this. Not all do, but a few do take advantage of the bug.

[DeltaGun]

Its not a bug. All Aircraft take less collision damage when they contact something from the belly. This is so they can land safer.

The Sythe happens to have a larger belly area and is easier to hit other aircraft with it.

[Assist]

Its not a bug. All Aircraft take less collision damage when they contact something from the belly. This is so they can land safer.

The Sythe happens to have a larger belly area and is easier to hit other aircraft with it.

What he said, it's not a bug. Works the same exact way with the Reaver and Mosquito, you guys just have less bottom surface so it doesn't happen as often. There's a few mosquito pilots on Waterson who are quite good at it as well though.

[Roderick]

Bug or not, I do not think it was intended for a Scythe to produce this type of damage result when combating an enemy ESF. I can see this damage coming from collisions with bigger ships like the Galaxy and Liberator.

If it was intended, I would like to read it from one of the Devs.

[Assist]

Bug or not, I do not think it was intended for a Scythe to produce this type of damage result when combating an enemy ESF. I can see this damage coming from collisions with bigger ships like the Galaxy and Liberator.

If it was intended, I would like to read it from one of the Devs.

It's not the Scythe. It's all ESF's. They all do this type of damage in the same way.

[Roderick]

It's not the Scythe. It's all ESF's. They all do this type of damage in the same way.

My counter question is the latter to my previous post. Was it intended by the Devs to produce this result. This cannot be answered by any poster on here except for a Dev if they visit this forum.

[HiroshiChugi]

Haha the other day I was playing on my VS. I put two clips into a lib with my rotary, and his belly gun tried shooting at me. I rammed him and he blew up haha.

You mean kinda like this?

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7405633536/h8B742BED/

[Micro]

They're called "Scythes" for a reason. ^^

[WSNeo]

Its not a bug. All Aircraft take less collision damage when they contact something from the belly. This is so they can land safer.

The Sythe happens to have a larger belly area and is easier to hit other aircraft with it.

This. I've seen really good Mosquito pilots do this shit midair. It's not a bug, it requires skill to do, and you take damage as a tradeoff.

[Roy Awesome]

It has to do with landing gear, actually.

If you hit another vehicle with your landing gear, you take no damage. This is true for all flying vehicles (I suspect it's also true with tank's wheels, but good luck testing this fact).

The Mossie and Reaver (and Gal/Lib) have landing gear that retract during flight. The Scythe does not. The entire center bottom point (where the blur effect comes from) is always down landing gear. When the scythe gets close to the ground, it is that part that makes it hover.

It's much easier to pull of a no-damage hit on the scythe because of this, but it is possible on all aircraft (you just have to have the landing gear down). This mechanic lets you land on the ground without exploding.

So, yeah, this is a bug for the scythe. The landing gear needs to retract and it doesn't.

[WSNeo]

It has to do with landing gear, actually.

If you hit another vehicle with your landing gear, you take no damage. This is true for all flying vehicles (I suspect it's also true with tank's wheels, but good luck testing this fact).

The Mossie and Reaver (and Gal/Lib) have landing gear that retract during flight. The Scythe does not. The entire center bottom point (where the blur effect comes from) is always down landing gear. When the scythe gets close to the ground, it is that part that makes it hover.

It's much easier to pull of a no-damage hit on the scythe because of this, but it is possible on all aircraft (you just have to have the landing gear down). This mechanic lets you land on the ground without exploding.

So, yeah, this is a bug for the scythe. The landing gear needs to retract and it doesn't.

Great explanation. However this does not negate all damage, does it? I remember descending pretty hard and taking pretty decent chunks of damage.

[Gatekeeper]

The landing explanation makes a lot of sense, and it seems reasonable to say that people who take advantage of this are exploiting a bug. Regardless of whether it requires skill or not, it's clearly unfair and needs fixing.

[Canaris]

I equate this with the same nonsense you see in BF3, people ramming their planes through tree's to hit snipers, or headshotting people by skimming across the water.

If a fighter plane hit's a stationary target at speed that plane should be doomed. Wham burning wreckage.

[WSNeo]

The landing explanation makes a lot of sense, and it seems reasonable to say that people who take advantage of this are exploiting a bug. Regardless of whether it requires skill or not, it's clearly unfair and needs fixing.

Nah, it's not a bug, it's a design that has been repurposed to net kills. It's not like you're dying to this once or twice a day.

This is just as "fair" as having Vanguards and Prowler plow through infantry without firing a single shot, whereas the Magrider cannot do such a thing due to it's hover mechanics, ATVs can even drive under them.

I wish people would stop trying to find every small advantage that each empire has over the others and saying that it's broken and needs to be fixed.

[Gatekeeper]

Nah, it's not a bug, it's a design that has been repurposed to net kills. It's not like you're dying to this once or twice a day.

This is just as "fair" as having Vanguards and Prowler plow through infantry without firing a single shot, whereas the Magrider cannot do such a thing due to it's hover mechanics, ATVs can even drive under them.

I wish people would stop trying to find every small advantage that each empire has over the others and saying that it's broken and needs to be fixed.

Whether it's a bug or not is debatable, but it's clearly not intended (or expected) behaviour - which makes using it deliberately to get kills an exploit.

Asking for this to be removed/fixed isn't a matter of trying to root out 'small advantages' - it's a matter of removing bullshit exploits from the game - so that it's more fun for everyone, rather than just those few that have found these problems and decided to exploit them.

[Lonehunter]

It's been like that since release on Waterson. Scythe kamikaze's are getting out of hand.

I've always said we need another Defense cert, like a reinforced frame. It would mitigate some collision damage. Good for running into aircraft and mountains.

I just played as a Scythe seriously for the first time the other day and couldn't believe all the crazy stuff I could do with those front pincers. If you can get behind a reaver, skeeter, or Lib you can kinda use them to wrap around their tail, then just roll to flip or toss them.

[DeltaGun]

Nah, it's not a bug, it's a design that has been repurposed to net kills. It's not like you're dying to this once or twice a day.

This is just as "fair" as having Vanguards and Prowler plow through infantry without firing a single shot, whereas the Magrider cannot do such a thing due to it's hover mechanics, ATVs can even drive under them.

I wish people would stop trying to find every small advantage that each empire has over the others and saying that it's broken and needs to be fixed.

This. /thread

[Whiteagle]

I just played as a Scythe seriously for the first time the other day and couldn't believe all the crazy stuff I could do with those front pincers. If you can get behind a reaver, skeeter, or Lib you can kinda use them to wrap around their tail, then just roll to flip or toss them.
That actually sounds like a LEGIT use of the Scythe's design, Aircraft Wrestling!
Much better then being able to come out of Air to air crashes because your "Landing Gear" is always down...

[HiroshiChugi]

That actually sounds like a LEGIT use of the Scythe's design, Aircraft Wrestling!
Much better then being able to come out of Air to air crashes because your "Landing Gear" is always down...

Well I'd much rather deal with that than with this:

http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20130123/640/whats_worse_than_a_lipsyncing_beyonce_640_14.jpg

"Bitches be like, I give good head."

[Smilies]

So I brought my scythe out of retirement and did this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5pQE1nVcQ

Which was rather fun, so I decided to see how many people I could kill in an hour without firing a shot, so I did this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqvdDJhqRU

In an hour I managed to hit 10k score/hr without premium or boosts, just by ramming ESFs with a scythe. Some of those hits were against good pilots (snarfy and HerpDerpAwesome), so I wasn't just hunting bads.

As for the landing gear statement, the first hit in the thirty second video is pretty clear in that I rammed the bottom of his reaver's tail with the top of my scythe. It's a bug, this isn't by design.

[Canaris]

So I brought my scythe out of retirement and did this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5pQE1nVcQ

Which was rather fun, so I decided to see how many people I could kill in an hour without firing a shot, so I did this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqvdDJhqRU

In an hour I managed to hit 10k score/hr without premium or boosts, just by ramming ESFs with a scythe. Some of those hits were against good pilots (snarfy and HerpDerpAwesome), so I wasn't just hunting bads.

As for the landing gear statement, the first hit in the thirty second video is pretty clear in that I rammed the bottom of his reaver's tail with the top of my scythe. It's a bug, this isn't by design.

+1 thanks for filming that Smilies