Help me help you!Hackers

[Rumblepit]

I would like to think PSU is where the core play base is at when it come to Planetside 2. i have the utmost respect for all players from all factions that use this forum,,,,,but i have a problem and i am at a loss of what to do about it.
We all have a common enemy in this game. Hackers/Script kiddies .
Every other week they are coming out with new hacks that are harder to spot and detect. I try to keep myself informed by going to sites where these hacks can be found , so i can see what the new hacks are, how they work, and what to look for. End result is a finely tuned BS detector.

The problem..
How and where can we share this information with each other?Im looking for any recommendation or input on how to discuss the problem.We need to be able to post links to the sites where the hacks can be found. We need to be able to discuss the newest hacks out, and be able to post and view videos of these hacks in action so everyone knows what to look for.
We all know that there are more hackers then admins in game. This is why they added the report function , and if we don't know what to look for, then we cant really be of any use . Its a catch 22.By now I assume people that use this forum know how i feel about hackers.I Fing Hate Hackers,and i think the world would be a better place if the all died, that might be a little rough :lol:.
So when i see someone post a video on PSU of obvious hacks in use , and i see people respond " what hacks?" I rage... These are people I have respect for as players ,and I feel if anyone would or should know better, its the players that use this forum.See my point? The more informed players we have creates a better quality of game play for everyone.

[EvilNinjadude]

I read one of your posts a while back, and that really got me agreeing with you... there are hacks more subtle than aimbot, compare map hacks from Starcraft II. The gameplay looks fine, and still requires skill, yet the hacker still has an advantage because you can't outmaneuver him. And if people didn't know this existed, like the tons of people who aren't aware that this exists in PS2, everything would just be ridiculous. Especially since PS2 has no tools to let you as a player take any PoV but your own.

It's a bit unorthodox, but I feel everyone should be aware of what tricks people use. Letting players simply play Planetside 2 without informing them would be like sending them to Honest John's second-hand car dealership, or telling them to buy the cheapest (read: Chinese knock-off) product via the internet. They get shafted if they don't know what's up.
Only in this game, they'll think it's their fault.

[Sunrock]

The problem..
How and where can we share this information with each other?Im looking for any recommendation or input on how to discuss the problem.We need to be able to post links to the sites where the hacks can be found. We need to be able to discuss the newest hacks out, and be able to post and view videos of these hacks in action so everyone knows what to look for.
We all know that there are more hackers then admins in game. This is why they added the report function , and if we don't know what to look for, then we cant really be of any use . Its a catch 22.By now I assume people that use this forum know how i feel about hackers.I Fing Hate Hackers,and i think the world would be a better place if the all died, that might be a little rough :lol:.
So when i see someone post a video on PSU of obvious hacks in use , and i see people respond " what hacks?" I rage... These are people I have respect for as players ,and I feel if anyone would or should know better, its the players that use this forum.See my point? The more informed players we have creates a better quality of game play for everyone.

If we advertise where to find and how to use hacks and exploits in the game will will just end up with more players using them then players reporting them.

Just /report anyone in game that you suspect of foul play and let the GM's sort it out.

However I feel this is SOE's problem. They can easily develop software that tracks 100% of all hackers if they just put some resources into this. You can say what you want about Star Wars the Old Republic but BioWare managed to develop really good software to log statistics over every players every little movement in game. A program like that can easily detect anything fishy going on and ban all cheaters from the game.

We as a community should not have to police our own games. Thats something that has to be a service that the game producers should provide. Sure we can help out with reporting players for braking the games rules but we should not have to do more then so.

[EvilNinjadude]

SOE doesn't help us report cheaters though. We have to always know what to look for. SOE isn't telling us what is cheating, nor are they telling us whether whoever we reported was cheating or was not cheating. So while they can keep telling us to PM us names, it'll probably just catch whoever is best at killing doodz.

[Shogun]

If we advertise where to find and how to use hacks and exploits in the game will will just end up with more players using them then players reporting them.

Just /report anyone in game that you suspect of foul play and let the GM's sort it out.


exactly!
report any cheaters. everytime i play, a gm announces that he is on cheatpatrol and wants us to report cheating scumm.

the more you try to "educate" the masses, the more you are giving ideas to stupid idiots! the more you show them how other people hack, what the hacks are called and what to do to cheat the easiest way, the more idiots will try it!
and wow, now they know exactly what to google for!
if you know so much about hacking, send this info to the devs! enclosed!
there is no need to pile up every information about hacking at this forum!

[Rumblepit]

If we advertise where to find and how to use hacks and exploits in the game will will just end up with more players using them then players reporting them.

Just /report anyone in game that you suspect of foul play and let the GM's sort it out.

However I feel this is SOE's problem. They can easily develop software that tracks 100% of all hackers if they just put some resources into this. You can say what you want about Star Wars the Old Republic but BioWare managed to develop really good software to log statistics over every players every little movement in game. A program like that can easily detect anything fishy going on and ban all cheaters from the game.

We as a community should not have to police our own games. Thats something that has to be a service that the game producers should provide. Sure we can help out with reporting players for braking the games rules but we should not have to do more then so.

Your right. We should not have to, but this is Free To Play.... F2P games come hand and hand with hackers, and a lot of them. If they had staff in game 24/7 it would be a different story, but they dont. so they added the /report function. now if we dont know what to look for then how are we being useful? further more /reporting legit players is a huge waste of time.so if you just /report anyone with a good gun your apart of the problem.
you dont have much faith in players on this site do you? i think they would use this information to help clean the game and i would like to think most would be eager to catch and report more hackers.If anyone ever wanted to hack in planetside 2 i dont think they would come here to look for hacks lol.
google planetside 2 hacks......About 834,000 results (0.17 seconds) lol

we need a informed player base, and a way to inform them.

[Sledgecrushr]

I dont really think there is a magic bullet to stop video game hackers. But soe does have some pretty impressive tools to track the player base in everything it does so maybe these hackers wont be as rampant as Ive seen in other games.

[EvilNinjadude]

the more you try to "educate" the masses, the more you are giving ideas to stupid idiots! the more you show them how other people hack, what the hacks are called and what to do to cheat the easiest way, the more idiots will try it!I feel that if they're inclined to use Hacks, and not already hacking, and not able to google "Planetside 2 hacks" then they won't be intelligent enough to hack subtly, meaning they'll get caught in no time. Idiots are idiots, right?

I don't know how many percent of PS2's demographic are stupid idiots though, so getting rid of them might not be such a good idea for SOE.

Then again, how many stupid idiots are here on the PSU forums? This isn't even the official forums, so why would any legit (and stupid) player come here for hacks?

[Sunrock]

SOE doesn't help us report cheaters though. We have to always know what to look for. SOE isn't telling us what is cheating, nor are they telling us whether whoever we reported was cheating or was not cheating. So while they can keep telling us to PM us names, it'll probably just catch whoever is best at killing doodz.

I don't think you're that stupid. You know what you can do in the game and what you can not.

And in this case it's better tho shoot first and ask questions later. Yes you may report some one that was just a good player for doing something extra ordinary or just some one that manage to get in a lucky shot. But if you /report some one that was not cheating no harm was done as the GM's will not ban him after investigating your report.

Yes this might create some extra work for the GM's but at least I pay for this game so I don't care if they have to work for the money I pay them to do there job. And if you are freeloading bastard.... way the hell do you care?

[Sunrock]

Your right. We should not have to, but this is Free To Play.... F2P games come hand and hand with hackers, and a lot of them. If they had staff in game 24/7 it would be a different story, but they dont. so they added the /report function. now if we dont know what to look for then how are we being useful? further more /reporting legit players is a huge waste of time.so if you just /report anyone with a good gun your apart of the problem.
you dont have much faith in players on this site do you? i think they would use this information to help clean the game and i would like to think most would be eager to catch and report more hackers.If anyone ever wanted to hack in planetside 2 i dont think they would come here to look for hacks lol.
google planetside 2 hacks......About 834,000 results (0.17 seconds) lol

we need a informed player base, and a way to inform them.

This is a F2P game witch means they earn allot more money then if this was a game you had to pay for. Yes this sounds a bit retarded but it's true. SOE earns more money from selling SC that we buy allot of crap for then if they would just have a box price and sub fees.

So no I do not buy your argument about they have to lower the standard of moderation the game because its a "free game"

PS: The /report function is in all the pay to play MMOs too.

PPS: And no there is as many hackers in pay to play MMOs as there are in F2P MMOs. It's just little bit easier for hackers to work around the ban in a F2P MMO as they don't need to buy a new game.

[EvilNinjadude]

I don't think you're that stupid. You know what you can do in the game and what you can not.
Latency, FPSlag and ADADAD. No COD-style PoV killcam (never played but as an example). What's legit and what's not? Often I know. Sometimes I don't.

I can try, but I like things to be better. As good as possible. That's my point of view.

[Shogun]

I feel that if they're inclined to use Hacks, and not already hacking, and not able to google "Planetside 2 hacks" then they won't be intelligent enough to hack subtly, meaning they'll get caught in no time. Idiots are idiots, right?

I don't know how many percent of PS2's demographic are stupid idiots though, so getting rid of them might not be such a good idea for SOE.

Then again, how many stupid idiots are here on the PSU forums? This isn't even the official forums, so why would any legit (and stupid) player come here for hacks?

sure, but the more forums have posts in which it is explained how to cheat undetected and how cheaters cloak what they are doing, the easier it gets to google efficently.

[Dreamcast]

Here are some gifs I got from video's of people with questionable Strafing speeds....This seems to happen a lot when Im playing, seems to be like the most common hack.

They strafe slightly faster than normal so they won't look suspicious.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/1fwf8m.jpg

http://oi40.tinypic.com/8wxkhv.jpg

They look better in the video but I think the video names names so that might be against the rules.

[Sunrock]

Latency, FPSlag and ADADAD. No COD-style PoV killcam (never played but as an example). What's legit and what's not? Often I know. Sometimes I don't.

I can try, but I like things to be better. As good as possible. That's my point of view.

If it's server lag then you have it too so... But how do you know if they exploit that intentional or not? You never can. Thats way you report even if only 80% sure it might have been foul play.

[Rumblepit]

This is a F2P game witch means they earn allot more money then if this was a game you had to pay for. Yes this sounds a bit retarded but it's true. SOE earns more money from selling SC that we buy allot of crap for then if they would just have a box price and sub fees.

So no I do not buy your argument about they have to lower the standard of moderation the game because its a "free game"



PS: The /report function is in all the pay to play MMOs too.

lol thats not the point i was trying to make. if this game was p2p we would have 90% less hackers. its a skill based f2p game, and f2p skill based game are always and have always been flooded with hackers.

[Rumblepit]

If it's server lag then you have it too so... But how do you know if they exploit that intentional or not? You never can. Thats way you report even if only 80% sure it might have been foul play.

force lag, modem tapping, plug pulling just to name a few that people are using in planetside 2. these are not hacks,they are common exploits found in all fps games. im sure the devs have ways to catch these scrubs. also they are easy to spot.

[Sunrock]

force lag, modem tapping, plug pulling just to name a few that people are using in planetside 2. these are not hacks,they are common exploits found in all fps games. im sure the devs have ways to catch these scrubs. also they are easy to spot.

Well cheating is cheating no matter how you do it and it's equally banable to exploit as it is to actually really hack the game.

[Rumblepit]

true, do you know to spot a person modem tapping? do you know how to spot a person using a lag switch?do you know how to spot the newest hacks? do you know what the newest hacks are? its ok , most dont, and if we cant discuss how they work, and what they are, and what to look for then what do we do? we could all take your approach and say let the devs handle it. They gave us the /report because we wanted it, players asked for it, we didnt have one for along time,but we as players wanted a easy way to report hackers. so to use the feature as intended we need to know what to look for. the entire point of this thread is to come up with a way to share all this information. i really dont care if you want to stay clueless to the problems in game. i know a lot of people want to help make this a better game and are willing to take the time to make this a better game and become a better players. knowing what hacks are in game and how they are used will do just that.

[Ait'al]

I'll give you a hint. If you kill all the bacteria in your body you will die... Pretty much sums up why they aren't stopped. The other reason is laziness. The old reason. The new reason!! Not much more too it. Hackers have never been the enemies of game developers. Neither have any of the other things people demonize today. Only problem is we don't have a fluent environment anymore for development. Or they would all be helping to make games like they used to. But society and stupidity go hand in hand so what can you do!!??

What you want is society becoming healthy again. But fat chance. 8)

BTW everything that is called evil today in games were all spawned from game development and were to be part of it. That is bots/macros/etc etc. Can't think of many atm. Even what turned into gold sellers. All purposeful parts of game development. Trust me they ain't the real problem. You don't really want them gone. It would be far worse. Less idiots with tools maybe. Then at least they would have to learn which would be productive(Even that is not really true!). But gone no! One day if anything gets better game development will expand in complexity and those things will be put back in. But killing them would be like stomping on a decapitated finger because it fell of and blaming it only to later morn it's death when it's gone permanently because you acted like an idiot and were ignorant!

[Rumblepit]

I'll give you a hint. If you kill all the bacteria in your body you will die... Pretty much sums up why they aren't stopped. The other reason is laziness. The old reason. The new reason!! Not much more too it. Hackers have never been the enemies of game developers. Neither have any of the other things people demonize today. Only problem is we don't have a fluent environment anymore for development. Or they would all be helping to make games like they used to. But society and stupidity go hand in hand so what can you do!!??

What you want is society becoming healthy again. But fat chance. 8)

BTW everything that is called evil today in games were all spawned from game development and were to be part of it. That is bots/macros/etc etc. Can't think of many atm. Even what turned into gold sellers. All purposeful parts of game development. Trust me they ain't the real problem. You don't really want them gone. It would be far worse. Less idiots with tools maybe. Then at least they would have to learn which would be productive(Even that is not really true!). But gone no! One day if anything gets better game development will expand in complexity and those things will be put back in. But killing them would be like stomping on a decapitated finger because it fell of and blaming it only to later morn it's death when it's gone permanently because you acted like an idiot and were ignorant!


hmmm tell that to Realtime Worlds , creators of APB. It was released on 6 June 2010. On On 16 September 2010 Realtime Worlds announced APB servers were to be shut down.On 11 November 2010 online games company, K2 Network, purchased APB for £1.5 million.

fastest flop in the history of online gaming. failed do to the overwhelming amount of hackers.

i made this post over a year ago.
2012-03-14, 07:15 PM [Ignore Me] #56
Rumblepit
Sergeant Major



Re: Free-To-Play


"your gonna see aimbot, gps,radar,boneshot/headshot,and maybe more.

free to play makes good money... they got that right..... they make bank off free to play over seas.... This is because in some of the countries , where free to play dose the best it is illegal to hack.... you hack, your fined and or arrested. so of course free to play will do well . but in the states and other countries where nobody give a ratsass if you hack so it dose not do so well. the problem is there will be nothing to stop them from making accounts over and over and over again. sure you can have top notch anti hack defense and active admins , but they will keep coming back.ALL SKILL BASED F2P GAMES HAVE HACKERS. SOE will have a budget setup just for hackers and hack defense. well what happens when there are just to many or they wont stop making new accounts???nobody at soe is going to take a pay cut because ps2 has hackers in it. community goes to shit, pop drops, game dies.

we dont know the details of their free to play model. i hope its more like a free to trial with limited access to the world and weapons. if not i hope they have premium servers.

if not i got a friend over seas whos gonna hook it up with a ss number,dob, address, pretty much anything i will need to get on a hack free server."

community has already gone to shit, pops have already dropped, next???game dies. i would like to avoid this.

[Ait'al]

That would have meant they were shitty programmers. Doesn't really mean anything. That is traditional in programming. You have to learn something about ethics in engineering and programming to what is required to do the work to a satisfactory level. if it dies from hackers, specifically, it shouldn't be there and shouldn't get a dime! Plane and simple. Ironically alternative ways to pay for it by learning other crafts is a great way to make money and gain the skills to program soundly or proficiently! 8)

Go study engineering for 10 years and come back. you'll figure it out. You don't need to be panicky about it all. And nobody is new to any of it.

You aren't helping anyone. And lay off the steroids. They make you overly aggressive and stop you from thinking clearly. That does not mix with computers... It's the exact opposite.

BTW programming and engineering are properly eat or be eaten environments. That is because of the work ethic that needs to be involved in both. Unfortunately, especially with so many tools today, it's not that hard to program stuff. So you don't get to see it as much and some people think they can escape it without developing the proper knowledge and skills to deal with all of what there is to with programming. They lose in the end, learn, and grow. Or they give up. It's up to them. But it is the required process. If it's not happening, then you need to worry!

[Rumblepit]

That would have meant they were shitty programmers. Doesn't really mean anything. That is traditional in programming. You have to learn something about ethics in engineering and programming to what is required to do the work to a satisfactory level. if it dies from hackers, specifically, it shouldn't be there and shouldn't get a dime! Plane and simple. Ironically alternative ways to pay for it by learning other crafts is a great way to make money and gain the skills to program soundly or proficiently! 8)

Go study engineering for 10 years and come back. you'll figure it out. You don't need to be panicky about it all. And nobody is new to any of it.

well dose SOE have shitty programmers? if so ,shouldn't we be more inclined to help out and do our part?

[Rumblepit]

That would have meant they were shitty programmers. Doesn't really mean anything. That is traditional in programming. You have to learn something about ethics in engineering and programming to what is required to do the work to a satisfactory level. if it dies from hackers, specifically, it shouldn't be there and shouldn't get a dime! Plane and simple. Ironically alternative ways to pay for it by learning other crafts is a great way to make money and gain the skills to program soundly or proficiently! 8)

Go study engineering for 10 years and come back. you'll figure it out. You don't need to be panicky about it all. And nobody is new to any of it.

You aren't helping anyone. And lay off the steroids. They make you overly aggressive and stop you from thinking clearly. That does not mix with computers... It's the exact opposite.


if your here to troll be gone,if i wanted to here from a azz id go take a dump, stay on topic or dont post at all.

stop staring at my guns lol, your creeping me out. i dont swing that way kido.
construction foreman/ bouncer. im sorry if your jelly, dont you lift bra???? lmaooo
see i can do it too.

also if you didnt read the other 2 threads about this topic, you maybe kinda lost. sort of a 3 part series .

[p0intman]

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

[Rumblepit]

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

i was hoping there was a way to do it here, huge player base to view the information would be a great start, but i may have to take you up on that offer, and im greatful for it :). i was looking over all the forums rules and there is really no way to go about doing it without breaking any rules.

[basti]

End result is a finely tuned BS detector.



Must be broken then, otherwise it would run wild whenever you open your mouth.

Sorry dude, but your a fool. A gigantic one. You dont understand anything about hacking, not even the slightest thing.

What you attempt to do here is not helping, its making things worse. ALl you archive is making people hyper sensitive about potential hackers, calling everyone and everything that kills them a hack. They quickly get overwhelmet by all the "maybe" hackers and leave the game, spreading the word about how full of hackers the game is, even tho thats completly not true.

Happend to another game already, guess wich one: EXACTLY! A FUCKING P B!

Dont get me wrong, it was bad in APB, but never as bad as people described it. Its people like you, fools who dont understand a thing and just want to act like they know shit, that fucked up the whole situation, causing loads of potential players to never pick the game up.


So lets get this straight on what the right thing to do is: You shut up, all of you, forever about hacking.

When you see a hacker or someone who you think could hack, you use the usual ways of reporting him.

You do not post about that guy anywhere else. Not a single word, nothing. You keep it completly silent, the only guys who ever hear from it are the devs, because they are the only guys who need to know, nobody else.

The result: Bans etc stay exactly the same as they are. Hackers hack and get banned, ususal business, nothing you guys could do would change anything there anyway. BUT! Hackers just lost their main source of enjoyment: your tears. Thats what a lot of hackers are after, a whining community. Take that away, and theres nothing for them to archive. You still have some folks hacking, you will always have that, but a good chunk of hackers just goes on to a game they can actually crush.



And thats, ladies and gentlemen, is how you deal with the problem. Tell the guys who need to know about it, and not yell it into the faces of some random guys on the streets.

[LeilaniRock]

Must be broken then, otherwise it would run wild whenever you open your mouth.

Sorry dude, but your a fool. A gigantic one. You dont understand anything about hacking, not even the slightest thing.

What you attempt to do here is not helping, its making things worse. ALl you archive is making people hyper sensitive about potential hackers, calling everyone and everything that kills them a hack. They quickly get overwhelmet by all the "maybe" hackers and leave the game, spreading the word about how full of hackers the game is, even tho thats completly not true.

Happend to another game already, guess wich one: EXACTLY! A FUCKING P B!

Dont get me wrong, it was bad in APB, but never as bad as people described it. Its people like you, fools who dont understand a thing and just want to act like they know shit, that fucked up the whole situation, causing loads of potential players to never pick the game up.


So lets get this straight on what the right thing to do is: You shut up, all of you, forever about hacking.

When you see a hacker or someone who you think could hack, you use the usual ways of reporting him.

You do not post about that guy anywhere else. Not a single word, nothing. You keep it completly silent, the only guys who ever hear from it are the devs, because they are the only guys who need to know, nobody else.

The result: Bans etc stay exactly the same as they are. Hackers hack and get banned, ususal business, nothing you guys could do would change anything there anyway. BUT! Hackers just lost their main source of enjoyment: your tears. Thats what a lot of hackers are after, a whining community. Take that away, and theres nothing for them to archive. You still have some folks hacking, you will always have that, but a good chunk of hackers just goes on to a game they can actually crush.



And thats, ladies and gentlemen, is how you deal with the problem. Tell the guys who need to know about it, and not yell it into the faces of some random guys on the streets.

+100000000!!


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[EvilNinjadude]

Ow. Okay. While that may be right, I still admit that I learned a lot about hackers from him, and I don't regret it. But taking into account third parties, I'll shut up now.

[Shogun]

basti wins, time for a close

[Rumblepit]

Must be broken then, otherwise it would run wild whenever you open your mouth.

Sorry dude, but your a fool. A gigantic one. You dont understand anything about hacking, not even the slightest thing.

What you attempt to do here is not helping, its making things worse. ALl you archive is making people hyper sensitive about potential hackers, calling everyone and everything that kills them a hack. They quickly get overwhelmet by all the "maybe" hackers and leave the game, spreading the word about how full of hackers the game is, even tho thats completly not true.

Happend to another game already, guess wich one: EXACTLY! A FUCKING P B!

Dont get me wrong, it was bad in APB, but never as bad as people described it. Its people like you, fools who dont understand a thing and just want to act like they know shit, that fucked up the whole situation, causing loads of potential players to never pick the game up.


So lets get this straight on what the right thing to do is: You shut up, all of you, forever about hacking.

When you see a hacker or someone who you think could hack, you use the usual ways of reporting him.

You do not post about that guy anywhere else. Not a single word, nothing. You keep it completly silent, the only guys who ever hear from it are the devs, because they are the only guys who need to know, nobody else.

The result: Bans etc stay exactly the same as they are. Hackers hack and get banned, ususal business, nothing you guys could do would change anything there anyway. BUT! Hackers just lost their main source of enjoyment: your tears. Thats what a lot of hackers are after, a whining community. Take that away, and theres nothing for them to archive. You still have some folks hacking, you will always have that, but a good chunk of hackers just goes on to a game they can actually crush.



And thats, ladies and gentlemen, is how you deal with the problem. Tell the guys who need to know about it, and not yell it into the faces of some random guys on the streets.


hes right, im wrong , there is no where near as many hackers in game as we think,i suck and i scream hacks every time i die.all hackers will get banned by the admins, and they should remove the /report feature altogether, so noooobs like myself cant report legit players over and over again.

diarrhea from the mouth of a clueless player is all read there.your whats wrong with this game and your acting a fool, and you need to stop while you still have what little rep have left.
if you dont want to contribute to this thread , DONT READ IT, DONT POST IN IT. nobody cares what your opinion is on the matter.

fyi i beta tested and played abp until they took it down.hyper sensitive players towards hackers didnt cause the game to flop. it was the hackers lol

just wondering what f2p games you played before this??? me? war rock, full of hackers, combat arms full of hackers,cross fire full of hackers. tf when it went f2p full of hackers.

i have had more hackers ban then most have ever seen. where do you get your extensive knowledge of hackers from?
ive seen it all kido, opk, 0 delay, svp, gps, chams,esp, wall hack, rear tele hacks, warning hacks, closest threat hacks,bone shot, invis bs, i could go on for days. stay clueless , who needs ya.

also you just gave me a great reason to make a account on miller, hope to cya in game :)

[Assist]

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.

[p0intman]

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/18300000/Attempting-to-Give-a-Fuck-xxxsk8trxxx-18309009-353-132.gif

if there is proof enough out there, and it has merit, I'm willing to give it a place to see the light of day.
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/DealWithIt/tumblr_lgbinlBeoY1qf8yek.gif

[Rumblepit]

Players are usually wrong about hackers. They're just convinced they're the best ever and there's no way someone out there is better than them.

I believe this point has been illustrated multiple times on this site since the release of PS2, in which players have blatantly called out players for being hackers and as it turned out they were not hacking. Luckily the moderators removed the complaints, and/or banned the criers, because this kind of shit shouldn't be on this site of all places.

I completely agree with Basti that the best thing people can do for the future of PS2 is to not blow a very small issue in the game out of proportion by screaming out the name/software of the hackers. APB was completely ruined by the community that played the game, not the hackers that abused it.

The only people who have a legitimate way of detecting who is hacking or not is SoE, and they should be the only ones who rat players out and/or discuss the hacking, hackers, or the hacking software. If you're spending your free time visiting hacking websites so you can feel that you're better at detecting hackers by your encounters in the game, then you're wasting your time and our time by discussing this.


it takes bit more then a suspicious kill or movement to really tell if a person is hacking, thank god we have real time stat tracking.... i never ever report anyone without looking their stats to see if it even warrants a report.

first time i was killed by stormed i knew something was wrong with that guy.
i looked up his stats to see if something was off and what do ya know. this is not a hackusation btw, hes been ban.
https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428010618039148401/weapons

just by looking at a few of the payers stats you can see that in this case it was true, he was not legit, so i reported him everyday until he was banned. first run in i had with him he was br 30 something, they got him at br 84 after he got his first ban lifted at br 69.

https://players.planetside2.com/#!/5428011263433385441/weapons

beaverhunter was friends with stormed and they always used the exact same hacks, esp, aimbot, tele, so on so forth, but as soon as he killed me i kewn something was off. took a look at the stats, then reported him.

after looking at so many player stats you start to see a pattern , a avg accuracy of 25% is common , 15% headshots are common, assist to kills is always about 1/3. these are very easy ways to see if your suspicions warrant a report.

im trying to let people know how they can report efficiently, what we dont need is the devs getting flooded with bs reports about legit players. knowing what hacks people are using,knowing what the newest hacks are, and knowing avg stats of players in ps2 will make everyone more efficient when it comes down to reporting hackers.thus creating a better game for everyone.......

is it just connery then? i know its pretty bad atm, cant really speak for any of the other servers tho.
im not getting owned all day everyday, im a decent player, 2.0 kd infantry 24/7.....
im on the ground all day everyday,maybe this is why i see so many.

and another thing, wtf is with all the hate? you make it sound like im pushing drugs. im sorry the problem concerns me, ive seen what damage it can do first hand. ignoring it will not solve anything.

[Ait'al]

Rumblepit, you are right about education being what is needed. But you don't have the knowledge(note even a tiny fraction of it). it has to be knowledge of programming so people understand it specifically and can discuss it intelligently. Ironically rules about talking about hacks that have become so common in recent years are part of the problem because companies don't want to be bothered or forums about whatever stupid thing people have been threatened with over the years or made to feel threatened(violations of the 1st amendment btw if it is from government or threat of legal action which ironically the internet is full of examples of. It ALL stems from an uneducated society!). There used to be no things that couldn't be discussed. it was encouraged, and actually forced, because this was an engineering/educational environment(in fact it must be in all environments for society to be healthy. It is a naturally need and responsibility). And rightfully so. But you don't have that knowledge and you have to get it first. You are going on ego BECAUSE you lack knowledge. if you want to do this the right you have to do it the right way. You have to be able to understand where you do and don't know things and learn a lot. Try asking if it's a hack and see for example, if that is permissible now a days. or go study programming. In other words things that allow YOU to gain knowledge.

In order to teach BTW you have to the full knowledge of the subject matter and concretely. You don't have that. Putting up vids isn't bad, but the hyper stuff is not helpful. It would help if 95% of the internet population were engineer programmers again because they could tell you in 2 seconds what specifically was happening and try to deduce what is happening. But there is no urgent need to cover hackers in this way. Any problems that exist at this point are decades old. They don't need to be solved in 10 seconds. Go study engineering and programming. Try studying old chip design and assembly language etc. Learn how a system works and then study how to design Kernels/Oses etc and applications. You are not losing something BTW the companies are. The idea of "chipping in" is not realistic. They have to learn work ethic.

Try making a video game! 8p

[basti]

hes right, im wrong , there is no where near as many hackers in game as we think,i suck and i scream hacks every time i die.all hackers will get banned by the admins, and they should remove the /report feature altogether, so noooobs like myself cant report legit players over and over again.

diarrhea from the mouth of a clueless player is all read there.your whats wrong with this game and your acting a fool, and you need to stop while you still have what little rep have left.
if you dont want to contribute to this thread , DONT READ IT, DONT POST IN IT. nobody cares what your opinion is on the matter.

fyi i beta tested and played abp until they took it down.hyper sensitive players towards hackers didnt cause the game to flop. it was the hackers lol

just wondering what f2p games you played before this??? me? war rock, full of hackers, combat arms full of hackers,cross fire full of hackers. tf when it went f2p full of hackers.

i have had more hackers ban then most have ever seen. where do you get your extensive knowledge of hackers from?
ive seen it all kido, opk, 0 delay, svp, gps, chams,esp, wall hack, rear tele hacks, warning hacks, closest threat hacks,bone shot, invis bs, i could go on for days. stay clueless , who needs ya.

also you just gave me a great reason to make a account on miller, hope to cya in game :)



Heres the thing: I know pretty well what happend in APB, because it was a problem that was growing from the very start, and I was just one of the horde of guys who approached the devs as directly as possible to make them aware about the gigantic mistake they are about to do.

As a matter of fact, they ignored us. Completly. I never got a responce to my emails, and i dont know of anyone else who got one.

Their mistake was that they just reacted to whatever hack was thrown at the game, and thats to little in a F2P. The games you mentioned are the same there, especially TF2. (Just not Crossfire. Why the fuck did you play that Counter-Strike clone? )

SOE does it actually right. They patch often, their AC is complely build into the game, and they also have a very active Support team. Thats the best you can do for a F2P.

And as to where i have my knowledge from: Expirience. Ive seen more communitys go to shit because of random hack accusions than you have been part off.

Hackers cant destroy a game alone, they need a community that overreacts, and a dev team that doesnt react. Now planetside 2 got a dev team that reacts, and if we can make sure that the community doesnt overreact, then the problem fades away by itself.






btw: see what this thread gets into? Thats the problem! ANY AND ALL DISCUSSION ON HACKS DEVOLVES A COMMUNITY! Thats a universal fact about game communitys. So dont go there, ever.

[EvilNinjadude]

Glad to see that the language in this thread has gone back to normal. Shitstorm averted, I can post again now.

Rumble, I'd like you to keep me updated in some way, because I feel that knowing the hackers' tools is worth it. Posting them on these forums upsets a lot of people, as you see.

Apart from that, I'd be willing to put this to rest.

[basti]

Glad to see that the language in this thread has gone back to normal. Shitstorm averted, I can post again now.

Rumble, I'd like you to keep me updated in some way, because I feel that knowing the hackers' tools is worth it. Posting them on these forums upsets a lot of people, as you see.

Apart from that, I'd be willing to put this to rest.


Heres the problem: The more you know, the more you worry.

If you knew exactly about all the things that are possible for a hacker, especially for one that knows how to avoid detection, then you never stop to worry. Whenever you get killed in a even just slightly dodgy way, you will worry. And because of all your knowlege about hacks, you will come to the conclusion that it might have been a hacker. This will never stop, but only get worse.

Its the most awful thing you can do to yourself. Trust me, been there, done that, managed to get it under control after years. And it was awful. It isnt helping you, it will just make you log off and unistall games just because the last 40 guys who killed you could have potentially maybe been hackers. But the truth is: of those 40 guys, 35 were just completly usual folks playng along, 4 had some sort of bug/lag/whatever random thing happening that made things look kinda dodgy on your end, and one, just one, is a damn good player. None of that 40 guys were hackers. But to you, all of them were.

And it only gets worse there. You log off, you unistall, you go to random forum A, B or C and post about that shitty game thats full of hackers. All the people reading that post of yours may spread your post around, and suddenly you have a community yelling about all the terrible cheaters everywhere, and a lot of potential new players never give the game a try, or join it assuming everyone is hacking. And thats all because you just worried to much.

Thats what hacking is really doing to games. ITs not the hack itself that damages the games, and also not the hackers, but the normal players that worry to much about a problem they cant even affect in the slightest.

[Baneblade]

What did we expect to happen when SOE touted Punkbuster as their primary anti-cheat system?

[EvilNinjadude]

Heres the problem: The more you know, the more you worry.

If you knew exactly about all the things that are possible for a hacker, especially for one that knows how to avoid detection, then you never stop to worry. Whenever you get killed in a even just slightly dodgy way, you will worry. And because of all your knowlege about hacks, you will come to the conclusion that it might have been a hacker. This will never stop, but only get worse.

Its the most awful thing you can do to yourself. Trust me, been there, done that, managed to get it under control after years. And it was awful. It isnt helping you, it will just make you log off and unistall games just because the last 40 guys who killed you could have potentially maybe been hackers. But the truth is: of those 40 guys, 35 were just completly usual folks playng along, 4 had some sort of bug/lag/whatever random thing happening that made things look kinda dodgy on your end, and one, just one, is a damn good player. None of that 40 guys were hackers. But to you, all of them were.

And it only gets worse there. You log off, you unistall, you go to random forum A, B or C and post about that shitty game thats full of hackers. All the people reading that post of yours may spread your post around, and suddenly you have a community yelling about all the terrible cheaters everywhere, and a lot of potential new players never give the game a try, or join it assuming everyone is hacking. And thats all because you just worried to much.

Thats what hacking is really doing to games. ITs not the hack itself that damages the games, and also not the hackers, but the normal players that worry to much about a problem they cant even affect in the slightest.I'm gonna let that prophecy pass me by to become true for someone somewhere else. I "grew up" in gaming with low skill and shitty hardware. I have a KDR of 0.5 and if I get killed tons of times, I know it's legit because either it's my hardware or my skill that's lacking, or a mixture of both. And every time I die I reflect for a few seconds on what caused my death: Hacks, latency, me having been standing lagged out for 5 seconds because I don't have enough RAM or me just being terrible at CQC combat? Or maybe the other guy's been sniping since BR5?

I don't worry, but that doesn't mean other people won't either. Your prophecy is valid, just not for me. That's why I saw sense in what you were writing, despite it not quite applying to me.

[NUKABAZOOKA]

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

I'd recommend against it, because as far as I'm concerned, Rumblepit doesn't have a whole lot of credibility.

[ChipMHazard]

hey rumble, if chip closes this PM me. I've got space available on my site if you want to actually out hackers as a public service to the community. I also give no fucks.

Why would I do that?:/

I guess this means I am finally becoming a real mod, now that people are starting to have irrational fears about what I might do:p

But yes, I you [Rumblepit] really want to make threads about what kind of hacks are out there for PS2 and you can't see any way of doing so without breaking the rules here, then it would probably be a good idea to make said threads where you can do so in the manner you think is best without breaking any rules. Could also try going about it in a more creative way here.

Edit: No reason to try and beat Nostradamus on bad predictions, Point:/

[p0intman]

Why would I do that?:/

I guess this means I am finally becoming a real mod, now that people are starting to have irrational fears about what I might do:p

But yes, I you [Rumblepit] really want to make threads about what kind of hacks are out there for PS2 and you can't see any way of doing so without breaking the rules here, then it would probably be a good idea to make said threads where you can do so in the manner you think is best without breaking any rules. Could also try going about it in a more creative way here.
did it to the other threads, predicted it would be done here. vOv

[Baneblade]

I'd rather see a name and shame database than a wiki on hacking games. But you would also have to have ample proof that someone is actually hacking to be on the list.

Not to mention, who is the White Knight we are all supposed to trust to be impartial?

[Babyfark McGeez]

Actually the whole hacking angle of this game is one thing i think they have been handling well from the start.
Granted i don't really play currently but in all the time i did there were only a handful of situations where i was convinced we had a hacker around. And only one time i kinda got pissed off, for a hacker was close to taking our last base on esamir which we were holding at that time. It took authorities a god-awful long time to ban such an obvious hacker, but even then we managed to hold the lock (note: when in doubt, throw bodies at the enemy - k/d ratio is for kids :ö ).

So for a free-to-play title of this magnitude i feel that's perfectly acceptable.

EDIT: As for the OP, i gotta agree with what i saw in one of the first replies: "It's SOEs problem". If i think someone is hacking, i report them. Should i, for whatever weird reason, come across an actual hack or hacking site i would e-mail the link to the SOE support. Rest is up to them.

[Hamma]

You won't give up on this will you Rumblepit?

Look, posting hacks and discussing them benefits nobody at all. It doesn't benefit us as a community because it raises exposure for the hackers. It doesn't benefit SOE, because again it raises exposure for the hackers. Report these links DIRECTLY to SOE via Tickets or Private Messages on these forums or the official forums.

At no point will we ever allow the outright discussion of hacks and cheats on this website. I am not going to give these people the traffic they so desire and I will not take part in raising the exposure on hacks.

The only people that need to be discussing specific hacks are SOE, nothing we can do as a community will benefit the development team or customer support. We are simply making it so more people will hack and in some cases giving these scum additional revenue.

This PSU Policy WILL NOT change no matter how many threads you post about the subject.

Hell if you really want send the links to hacks to me and I will make sure they get to the right people.

[Hamma]

Also a database of "Known" or "Suspected" cheaters benefits nobody. I've known personally people who call almost every player who kills them a hacker.

If this is to be done, it would have to be done by SOE in a League of Legends style tribunal.

[Babyfark McGeez]

Hell if you really want send the links to hacks to me and I will make sure they get to the right people.

This sounds like a good idea, maybe make an account dummy for that purpose and announce it somewhere ("Found a hack? pm the link to "HacksAreForFags" and we will forward it to the Authorities").
Blacklists never work well and end up being more trouble than it's worth.

[Rumblepit]

i agree, it cant be done here with out breaking any rules,i said this before. plus it upsets to many people . id rather see people oblivious and happy rather then upset and aware,but turning a blind eye will do nothing. thats all i was trying to say.
when the video in question was posted, i new right away what it was.i let other players know what to look for and and how they worked then they spotted it right away... if you dont know what the hacks do, or know what to look for then you have absolutely no right to report anyone in this game for anything because you have no clue what you are talking about.

id rather have informed players in the game,, ive seen countless br80+ players get banned. this is a direct result of a oblivious community.

[snafus]

If we advertise where to find and how to use hacks and exploits in the game will will just end up with more players using them then players reporting them.

Just /report anyone in game that you suspect of foul play and let the GM's sort it out.

However I feel this is SOE's problem. They can easily develop software that tracks 100% of all hackers if they just put some resources into this. You can say what you want about Star Wars the Old Republic but BioWare managed to develop really good software to log statistics over every players every little movement in game. A program like that can easily detect anything fishy going on and ban all cheaters from the game.

We as a community should not have to police our own games. Thats something that has to be a service that the game producers should provide. Sure we can help out with reporting players for braking the games rules but we should not have to do more then so.

They are not hard to find. All people have to do is google PS2 hacks and they will have a large selection to pick from. Don't think a lot of hackers use PSU universe anyways at least I hope.

[EvilNinjadude]

I'm in agreement with Babyfark, Hamma and Rumblepit: Rumblepit seems to be one of the best at keeping track of hacks, and while it doesn't necessarily mean he should apply to SOE for a job ( :D ) keeping in touch with SOE about it seems a good solution.

I also agree with Snafus in that I don't think that this is the place where hackers would go, as I mentioned before... but it seems Hamma and the others are acting out of Principle here, no only out of reason. And principle and image are important despite not always making sense.

[Sunrock]

I've known personally people who call almost every player who kills them a hacker.

Talking about your self in 3rd person? ;)

[Sunrock]

They are not hard to find. All people have to do is google PS2 hacks and they will have a large selection to pick from. Don't think a lot of hackers use PSU universe anyways at least I hope.

:rolleyes: And what about all those that visit this site that are not searching for hacks but find it here and get tempted?

[jboy]

Could they not just block the account, but the IP address as well?

[snafus]

:rolleyes: And what about all those that visit this site that are not searching for hacks but find it here and get tempted?

Let me guess you believe pot is a gate way drug to huh?

[Sunrock]

Let me guess you believe pot is a gate way drug to huh?

It can be. I had a drug problem during the 90's. To much rave parties where I used ecstasy and speed. But for me it starting with smoking pot. But pot is not really more a gate way drug then alcohol. It's just that some people are genetically more tended to be drawn to drug use then others.

The thing is that it would do more harm then good.

[Emperor Newt]

The problem with a public "teaching" of what hacks are and what they look like is that it won't do much good either. At least it's a two edged sword. I actually think the "oblivious" community is the preferable one. Because it's never completely "oblivious".

The main reason being that, with "public education" everybody thinks he suddenly became a cheat expert because he read forum post or saw a video on the latest hacking-flavour of the month and starts reporting everything that he thinks is suspicious. We had that situation in Counter-Strike and it was awfull. It created an environment where everybody reported everybody for everything. Lost a match? Reported for maphack. Headshotted? Reported for aimbot, etc.

I don't doubt that there are people who are able to detect this stuff with a higher success rate as I have spend quiet some time analysing CS demos within an anti-cheat team. But the problem is that even then to proof it properly you need more then just one fishy situation, and this is where the SOE/P7G mods come in to file the evidence. And when everybody reports everything they get overloaded with reports and can no longer do their work efficiently. Even today I highly doubt that most of the reports are all too helpfull. And, from experience, I doubt that trying to educate the playerbase will change it for the better.
One could argue that within PSU we surely have a lot more people who could benefit from that, but PSU is also read by a lot of "randoms" and those will simply carry the info to the official forums and then the whole idea will go down the drain.

We as players have almost no way to actually proof that a player is hacking because we simply lack the tools. The only ones who have a slight chance of catching a cheater/hacker are those who capture all their gameplay. But those are what, like less then 1% of the playerbase? And even then, to ban someone, I would argue, it needs more then one fishy scene from another persons point of view, if not incredibly obvious. And don't underestimate hackers. The "hardcore" ones know how to hide their hacks pretty well. They are incredibly hard to catch. The "script kiddies" and their public hacks will be out of the game pretty fast. But the "true" hackers, with custom written hacks, are a totally different kind of breed.

It might sound strange, but you need a large percentage of players to not care about hacks or at least be very hesitant with what they report. Simply because a large percentage of public reports will be dead wrong, even and maybe especially when they know which hacks exists.

Taking too much about hacks creates an environment where everybody thinks that cheating is rampant and everybody cheats. In the end this will hurt the community more then it helps.
I think it's good to talk about hacks in a more confined space like internal forums or teamspeak/mumble severs. But public posts and videos do no good to the game (and this has nothing to do with "turning a blind eye")

If too many public reports come in (because everybody now suddenly sees cheats everywhere) public report systems fail to work. And that's also why in competive gaming to file a proper report requires a large amount of work (uploading the demo, writing a detailed timetable of which scenes are supposed to show which hack) and several people on a team coming to an unanimously decision that hacks were used.
I would very much welcome such a system in PS2, but I doubt that we will ever have the tools. Especially because it would require us to be able to record from another persons point of view. Recording first person is nice, but it brings the problem of not being able to access all the information required and leaves the door open to a large margin of error.

Could they not just block the account, but the IP address as well?
Wouldn't work. Many to most EU countries use dynamic IPs.
But as far as I understand the banning mechanics are pretty solid, to what is technically possible. It still can be circumvented, but it requires some more work then just creating a new account.