[Survey] Should the Playstation 4 version of PS2 support keyboard and mouse?

[Memeotis]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/VWSRJ6T

Before you answer this brief survey, please consider reading this thread (https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/psa-be-careful-not-to-pull-a-microsoft-soe.134711/#post-1867756)

I will publish the results in a couple of weeks

[Assist]

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/VWSRJ6T

Before you answer this brief survey, please consider reading this thread (https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/psa-be-careful-not-to-pull-a-microsoft-soe.134711/#post-1867756)

I will publish the results in a couple of weeks

It doesn't matter one way or another. PS4 version of Planetside 2 is essentially a stand-alone game with no cross-over to PC. If they decide to use keyboard/mouse great, then it should be sold as a bundle with the game on PS4. If not, great, everyone is using a controller and will be on equal ground.
I think we already have a giant thread on this issue.

[Memeotis]

It doesn't matter one way or another. PS4 version of Planetside 2 is essentially a stand-alone game with no cross-over to PC. If they decide to use keyboard/mouse great, then it should be sold as a bundle with the game on PS4. If not, great, everyone is using a controller and will be on equal ground.
I think we already have a giant thread on this issue.

I know, but I felt that this survey would quickly drown on the mega-thread. My concern stems from Higby's recent remarks that he thinks that there are console players are just as good a PC players, thereby implying that KBM on console is being considered.

[wasdie]

No. Everybody on the PS4 should fight on an equal playing field. Nobody should be able to plug in a mouse and keyboard and be able to outgun everybody else.

Most people with their game consoles will connect them to a TV and never once connect a mouse or keyboard to them because that's not why they bought a console. There will be a small percentage of players who set up their PS4s like a PC and thus have a natural advantage if a game natively supports mouse and keyboard. This isn't really fair and it's not fair to tell other players that they need to go through the hassle of setting up a PC like setting with their PS4.

I have a wireless mouse and keyboard that connect to my PC and a very long HDMI cable running between my PC and my TV. I can't play FPS games on there because of a number of factors. The distance away from the TV makes everything more difficult too see, you're forced into lower FoVs because you're so far from the screen, I find that if I'm not crouched over a mouse and keyboard like at a computer desk my reaction time and accuracy goes all to hell. Given these factors it's really not fair to tell people they have to connect their PS4 up to a PC monitor or small TV and set it up at a computer desk so it plays just like a PC if they want to be competitive.

Simple fix. Don't support keyboard and mouse. Done. There is no point. There will never be cross game play.

[Bags]

and no one should be able to use a large TV, because that's an advantage too

10" TV or you don't get to play ps2 :^)

[wasdie]

and no one should be able to use a large TV, because that's an advantage too

10" TV or you don't get to play ps2 :^)

It's actually not an advantage at all from my experience. A larger screen is needed if you're higher away but it really comes down to if you can fill your vision with an optimal amount of screen and your FoV/resolution is right for your distance from that screen.

[bjorntju1]

and no one should be able to use a large TV, because that's an advantage too

10" TV or you don't get to play ps2 :^)

I think you mean resolution :P

[Crator]

Yes, you should be able to use any input device you wish to use imo. I think it's a bunch of bullshit (other then mouse input for quick/precise aiming) that players cannot be competitive when using a gamepad. If a gamepad user wants to have better aim then use a mouse with the gamepad (no keyboard required).

*If it's such and issue where people will rage quit cause they are at such a disadvantage to people who do use a Keyboard/Mouse/Gamepad combo then just give the option to choose a server that only allows gamepad input devices and another server that allows the use of whatever you want. I highly doubt that this would be needed though.

[Qwan]

To keep it real guys, I seriously doudt if PS2 on PS4 is anything like the PC version. It wont have as many features and will probably play like PS1 in its early days.

[Rivenshield]

My concern stems from Higby's recent remarks that he thinks that there are console players are just as good a PC players, thereby implying that KBM on console is being considered.

I think that's good news. I think we should keep our community intact and pops high.

[Ozziewolf]

No it shouldn't. If Keyboard and Mouse are implemented for PS2 on PS4 the game will be dead on arrival.

Also saying that you can get a keyboard and mouse to compete isn't going to fly. If conole players wanted to play like they're on a PC they would get a PC.

[snafus]

I'm more curious if they are getting a built in aim bot as most console shooters have.

[wasdie]

I'm more curious if they are getting a built in aim bot as most console shooters have.

You mean the quality of life aim assist 99.9% of all console FPS have?

Or do you really want to try to aim at a guy 100 meters away, when he's only a handful of pixels big, with those clunky analog sticks?

[GreyFrog]

I vote for player freedom, it should support as many input options as possible.

[SixShooter]

I vote for player freedom, it should support as many input options as possible.

Totally agree.

Played Dust 514 with m/kb and it was way more fun. Still don't like the game much but it was better with a m/kb setup. :p

I plan on playing PS2 on the PS4 some because many of my friends don't do PC gaming at all, so I do want the option for m/kb.

:cheers:

[Ghoest9]

The OP is on a lame selfish personal crusade.

EVEYBODY owns a KBM - if they want to hook it up to the PS4 to play Planetside - let them.

[Ghoest9]

To keep it real guys, I seriously doudt if PS2 on PS4 is anything like the PC version. It wont have as many features and will probably play like PS1 in its early days.

Do you follow devs posts at all?

Its going to be pretty much the same game mostly for ease of development.

[Memeotis]

No it shouldn't. If Keyboard and Mouse are implemented for PS2 on PS4 the game will be dead on arrival.

Also saying that you can get a keyboard and mouse to compete isn't going to fly. If conole players wanted to play like they're on a PC they would get a PC.

Exactly. Most people seem to equate multiple input with higher population, and it's not as straightforward as that.

I think that's good news. I think we should keep our community intact and pops high.

It won't lead to a higher population, it will lead to a smaller one. You're not going to get very far if you choose to screw over your main demographic.

Take a look at my thread for elaboration: https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/psa-be-careful-not-to-pull-a-microsoft-soe.134711/#post-1905141

I'm more curious if they are getting a built in aim bot as most console shooters have.

That's another one of the issues. Aim assist is shit, and is only really needed for games that sell themselves as being close-quarter, twitch-gameplay shooters. If you add KBM, you need to crank up the aim assist for controller-users to level the playing field. And this probably won't be enough, you will also have to restrict the KBM to some degree.

I vote for player freedom, it should support as many input options as possible.

And what if said freedom leads to a drastic decrease in the overall population?

[Figment]

I say they should use Atari controllers only. Two buttons and a joystick!

[basti]

I say they should use Atari controllers only. Two buttons and a joystick!

Pah! Screw joysticks!

http://videogamecritic.com/images/systems/mastercontroller.jpg

[Memeotis]

The OP is on a lame selfish personal crusade.

EVEYBODY owns a KBM - if they want to hook it up to the PS4 to play Planetside - let them.

Call it what you will, I guess I'm just so interested in this game that I don't want it to niche'ify itself, by making the same mistakes that Dust514 did.

Also, you are completely missing the point. Yeah, I have a keyboard and mouse, if I didn't, I could go buy one for next to no money, but I don't want that - I didn't buy a console to play using a KBM. I bought a console because my situation makes me favor what a console can bring me: an even playing field, without me having to sit by a desk.

There are many reasons why people choose to buy consoles instead of PCs, and one of the main ones is because they want to use a controller - not necessarily because they can't use a KBM - but because they don't want/have a desk, or simply because they want to sit on the couch.

[Tom Peters]

I'm pretty sure that you WILL be able to use a mouse and keyboard regardless of what anyone here thinks because you could do it with a PS3, or so I've heard.

Personally, if I get forced to buy a PS4, it BETTER support M+KB for all my games.

[Figment]

Pah! Screw joysticks!

http://videogamecritic.com/images/systems/mastercontroller.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/NES-ROB.png

[GreyFrog]

And what if said freedom leads to a drastic decrease in the overall population?

You haven't explained how this would work, or given any evidence to base your opinions.

In general, I don't have a console because I dislike the controller for FPS. I would really like to grab a PS4 and Destiny, but only if I can use KBM otherwise I won't enjoy playing. There is already an option for people who like using the joysticks.

How would you even know your opponent isnt using the game pad? Unless they were actively bragging.

I can use the same points as you and come to the opposite conclusion. More input options means more players...... its all a bit silly to argue over until we see some numbers.

[Memeotis]

You haven't explained how this would work, or given any evidence to base your opinions.

In general, I don't have a console because I dislike the controller for FPS. I would really like to grab a PS4 and Destiny, but only if I can use KBM otherwise I won't enjoy playing. There is already an option for people who like using the joysticks.

How would you even know your opponent isnt using the game pad? Unless they were actively bragging.

I can use the same points as you and come to the opposite conclusion. More input options means more players...... its all a bit silly to argue over until we see some numbers.

It's not a matter of knowing whether or not the person who just killed you actually uses a KBM or not, it's a matter of knowing that you are at a disadvantage by default unless you use a KBM. And many people have bought a console, to circumvent the need for a KBM.

As for proof, I have no numbers. What I can say, however, is that if there was any net increase in player numbers by allowing KBM to be used in FPS games on console, why haven't any of the other triple As tried to reach them? If there is truly an opportunity, why doesn't BF3 and MW3 have KBM support?

Who would this demographic be? Who would buy a console specifically to play FPS using a KBM? Very, very few. Dust 514 is unique, because it is connected to a universe with a huge PC community, but only exists on PS3. However, aside from this group of people, who else would play an FPS using KBM on a console? The only other group that can think of are people who have bought a console to play non-FPS games, but prefer to play FPS using a mouse and keyboard, in other words, people who view the genre as secondary and are therefore not as significant.

[GreyFrog]

And many people have bought a console, to circumvent the need for a KBM.

Who would this demographic be? Who would buy a console specifically to play FPS using a KBM? Very, very few.

The only other group that can think of are people who have bought a console to play non-FPS games, but prefer to play FPS using a mouse and keyboard, in other words, people who view the genre as secondary and are therefore not as significant.

These are all silly assumptions, the first one is ludicrous. The average consumer takes none of these things into consideration when purchasing a console.

We are not average consumers. KBM support caters to a niche market, which is why other AAA titles dont do it. An additional control scheme requires additional resources to implement and support. I fully understand why it doesnt happen for consoles, but that doesnt mean I wouldnt like to see it.

[Memeotis]

I'm pretty sure that you WILL be able to use a mouse and keyboard regardless of what anyone here thinks because you could do it with a PS3, or so I've heard.

Personally, if I get forced to buy a PS4, it BETTER support M+KB for all my games.

How would you be forced to buy a console? If you want to use KBM, you already have an alternative. If you want to talk about people being forced, you can only talk about the console players who don't want to be at a disadvantage and therefore have to buy a KBM and re-arrange their setup/room. And in this case you present those who don't want to be at a disadvantage with a dilemma; change the way you play on your console, or don't play the game. Many will choose the latter.

[Memeotis]

These are all silly assumptions, the first one is ludicrous. The average consumer takes none of these things into consideration when purchasing a console.

We are not average consumers. KBM support caters to a niche market, which is why other AAA titles dont do it. An additional control scheme requires additional resources to implement and support. I fully understand why it doesnt happen for consoles, but that doesnt mean I wouldnt like to see it.

Hardly. I've been in many discussions with PC gamers who simply don't understand why anyone would choose to play on a console in general. The PC can already do everything and more, and in the case of FPS, its better. The reasons are too numerous - they argue - to justify using a console. And in many cases they are right.

So to find out why people actually choose to play FPS on the console, you have to understand in what ways the console is superior. And the biggest, most appealing factor is that it console allows for an even playing field, while still giving you the flexibility of the controller. And by flexibility, I am referring to the fact that you can sit anywhere with it, and that you can easily play with multiple friends on the same screen. The PC cannot give you this combination. If you pick up a controller, you are not on an even playing field anymore.

[Crator]

There are many reasons why people choose to buy consoles instead of PCs, and one of the main ones is because they want to use a controller - not necessarily because they can't use a KBM - but because they don't want/have a desk, or simply because they want to sit on the couch.

I call BS on this. ~*News Flash*~ You can hook up a controller and a TV to a PC.

The main reason people buy a console is because it's cheaper then a PC.

[Ozziewolf]

I call BS on this. ~*News Flash*~ You can hook up a controller and a TV to a PC.

The main reason people buy a console is because it's cheaper then a PC.

Except using a controller on a PC puts you at an extreme disadvantage which is why people who prefer controllers tend to stick to consoles. I use a controller when playing privately with friends on the PC to make the fights sporting for them as I play at a reduced level. I'm good with both Keyboard/Mouse and a Controller.

People buying consoles because of price is an assumption that isn't correct. Sure price may be a factor but it's not necessarily the primary reason people get consoles.
People play on consoles because they prefer the controller, the controlled environment (little to no cheating), and the social aspect of it. Also with console gaming parents have an easier time keeping an eye on their kids. That is probably the biggest draw back to consoles is all of the kids you encounter.

In my case I made the switch from being a PC gamer to almost exclusive console gaming when my wife and I started a family. It's more convenient and I'm more accessible.

[Crator]

OzzieWolf, everything you said can be refuted by this statement, which you seemed to ignore: ~*News Flash*~ You can hook up a controller and a TV to a PC.

I've never said that a mouse was not better, for aiming purposes. That I do agree with. But, there's no reason that someone can't use a mouse + gamepad without a keyboard (which would allow playing from the couch fairly easily). Not to mention, if the game developer can make the game operate properly (without aim assist or something to attempt to balance things between input devices) and perhaps even a controller that capabilities to operate with the precision of a mouse for aiming then it's a mute point I think.

Does everything have to be, matter of fact, instead of innovate to fit problem?

[Memeotis]

OzzieWolf, everything you said can be refuted by this statement, which you seemed to ignore: ~*News Flash*~ You can hook up a controller and a TV to a PC.

I've never said that a mouse was not better, for aiming purposes. That I do agree with. But, there's no reason that someone can't use a mouse + gamepad without a keyboard (which would allow playing from the couch fairly easily). Not to mention, if the game developer can make the game operate properly (without aim assist or something to attempt to balance things between input devices) and perhaps even a controller that capabilities to operate with the precision of a mouse for aiming then it's a mute point I think.

Does everything have to be, matter of fact, instead of innovate to fit problem?

And exactly how many people do you think will choose to use a gamepad + mouse? Sure, it might level the playing field, but really? Amidst all these other alternatives, do you really think Planetside 2 can succesfully barge in and force people to use a mouse on a console? Sure, it's a minor thing to do, but people who buy consoles never thought they'd have to do that, and so many people will choose to play BF4 instead.

Why cater to a tiny minority if it means lowering the game's appeal to the majority?

[Crator]

Why cater to a tiny minority if it means lowering the game's appeal to the majority?

Do you have any proof to the claim that you are only catering to the minority? I don't see why restricting players to one method or another is a good thing. The more features you offer customers the better. Also, this statement doesn't address the matter of innovation with the game and controller that I stated previously.

[Ozziewolf]

OzzieWolf, everything you said can be refuted by this statement, which you seemed to ignore: ~*News Flash*~ You can hook up a controller and a TV to a PC.

I've never said that a mouse was not better, for aiming purposes. That I do agree with. But, there's no reason that someone can't use a mouse + gamepad without a keyboard (which would allow playing from the couch fairly easily). Not to mention, if the game developer can make the game operate properly (without aim assist or something to attempt to balance things between input devices) and perhaps even a controller that capabilities to operate with the precision of a mouse for aiming then it's a mute point I think.

Does everything have to be, matter of fact, instead of innovate to fit problem?

You are trying to refute what was said by giving a terrible option by saying that players can use a controller on the PC. I refuted what you said by explaining that it's terrible and if something is terrible then it's a non-option. Quoting what you said again isn't refuting what I said. What I said is refuting your statement.

Using a controller on PC is absolutely horrible outside of vehicles and no one wants to do it. No controller player wants to play against a keyboard and mouse player and most console players will reject games where they're at such a massive disadvantage.

There is no reason a person can't race a moped against a motorcycle for money but good luck finding some one who is willing to.

[Memeotis]

Do you have any proof to the claim that you are only catering to the minority? I don't see why restricting players to one method or another is a good thing. The more features you offer customers the better. Also, this statement doesn't address the matter of innovation with the game and controller that I stated previously.

I can't give you any. What I can do, however, is ask you to explain to me why DICE and Activision doesn't allow KBM-support in their games. If your logic is as sound as you say, then it's stupid of them not to.

As for your point on innovation. What do you even mean? Innovate? Create a controller with the precision of a KBM? Again, if it what that simple, it would already have been done.

[Lucidius]

I think it would be kind of un fair.

The whole benefit of a console is that people get on an even footing. No one has better FPS or better graphics detail giving them an edge. I think it would defeat the purpose of why I WOULD play on a console if I do get a PS4.

The flip side to that, it'de be an alternative for M+KB players who have shit computers.

[Crator]

As for your point on innovation. What do you even mean? Innovate? Create a controller with the precision of a KBM? Again, if it what that simple, it would already have been done.

Technology changes all the time. I've said what I want to say in regards to this topic here, and in other threads.

You are trying to refute what was said by giving a terrible option by saying that players can use a controller on the PC. I refuted what you said by explaining that it's terrible and if something is terrible then it's a non-option.

I've actually seen existing PC players post about using the gamepad controller + mouse, because that is their preference. And they didn't seem to have any problems using this setup against other players. I've posted the link to the official PS2 forums thread about this in the other thread we had here on PSU already. So what you are saying is entirely opinion based and not fact.

EDIT: Here's the link to that thread on PS2 forums --> Is this game controller supported? (https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/is-this-game-controller-supported.59092/)

[Ozziewolf]

Technology changes all the time. I've said what I want to say in regards to this topic here, and in other threads. Ozzie, I have no idea what you said above, sounds like you are looping your statements. I'm out....

Looping sort of like the BS line and then once that gets refuted you try to refute it by requoting the bs line. I have no idea why you would see a loop in response to a loop.

[Crator]

Looping sort of like the BS line and then once that gets refuted you try to refute it by requoting the bs line. I have no idea why you would see a loop in response to a loop.

I actually did add something to what you said to my post. The looping part I ignored but I did respond to you. Sorry, I was confused initially. BS line? How is the line I re-posted BS? Now you are just arguing to argue? If so, I don't want to get into a pissing match, waste of time really.

[Ozziewolf]

I actually did add something to what you said to my post. The looping part I ignored but I did respond to you. Sorry, I was confused initially. BS line? How is the line I re-posted BS? Now you are just arguing to argue? If so, I don't want to get into a pissing match, waste of time really.

BS line wasn't saying your line was BS. It was quoting part of what you said as reference to what I was referring to.

[Memeotis]

Technology changes all the time. I've said what I want to say in regards to this topic here, and in other threads.

This is not a matter of technology or improvement. These are two mechanically different inputs that each have their own pros and cons. They're going to improve in terms of the technology, sure, but they're not going to converge, because it's the fact that they are different that gives them their respective advantages.

The analogue sticks will always be at a disadvantage in terms of precision, because it has to have a minimum and a maximum speed at which the cross-hair moves - the mouse doesn't suffer from this. On the flip side, the analogue sticks do have the benefit smooth, directional movement and the ability to adjust the speed at which you run and drive, rather than the binary input of on or off.

[Crator]

This is not a matter of technology or improvement. These are two mechanically different inputs that each have their own pros and cons. They're going to improve in terms of the technology, sure, but they're not going to converge, because it's the fact that they are different that gives them their respective advantages.

The analogue sticks will always be at a disadvantage in terms of precision, because it has to have a minimum and a maximum speed at which the cross-hair moves - the mouse doesn't suffer from this. On the flip side, the analogue sticks do have the benefit smooth, directional movement and the ability to adjust the speed at which you run and drive, rather than the binary input of on or off.

I've already stated that I agree with the mouse argument in regards to aiming. Doesn't mean some new technology could not be created that fits on a controller to remedy the issue. I would think putting a track ball on a controller would suffice actually.

http://trackballcontroller.com/images/TBC_pS.jpg

[Maidere]

I'm not sure if mouse has great advantage over the gamepad in game with the aim assist.

[Memeotis]

I'm just going to bump this to get some more answers.

[almalino]

Yes, I'm for mouse and keyboard support on PS4.

[ChipMHazard]

I have no idea how that would work with aim assist. If it gives an unfair advantage over players with a controller then no I don't think it should support KBM.
If it doesn't then sure.

I guess I can see the possible interest in having PS4 KBM servers/version that could perhaps then play with PC players. I doubt there's enough interest for SOE to really consider it though.

[phungus]

No.


That would be so unbalanced. As a player you have much, much more control with a mouse and keyboard. SOE would basically be handing out free hacks to keyboard and mouse users if they implemented that.

[phungus]

If it gives an unfair advantage over players with a controller then no I don't think it should support KBM.

Come on man, you've played plenty of first person shooters on controllers and keyboard/mouse. "If" was not a necessary word to use, just think about your own experiences and how much easier it is to aim and how much more precision you have with a mouse and keyboard compared to a controller.

Honestly the notion is just ludicrous to me.

[Memeotis]

83 answers so far. Was hoping to collect 150, but I'll try to get it to at least 100 before publishing the results. So if you haven't answered yet, please do so!

[blashyrk]

I believe it should.

If controller users feel it's unfair, nobody is stopping them to get adequate FPS gaming equipment.
It's like being angry about someone with a steering wheel for being a better driver when you're using a pilot stick to drive a car.

[Maidere]

I believe it should.

If controller users feel it's unfair, nobody is stopping them to get adequate FPS gaming equipment.
It's like being angry about someone with a steering wheel for being a better driver when you're using a pilot stick to drive a car.

Adequate FPS gaming equipment for consoles is gamepad.
Anyway, Memeotis, I dont think PC uber race's answers will mean anything for the developers of the PS4 version of Planetside (when it doesnt affect the PC version). Especially now, when it's confirmed that cross-platform servers are not the case.

[blashyrk]

Adequate FPS gaming equipment for consoles is gamepad.


I disagree. But that is just my opinion.

[Crator]

^ Ya blashyrk, you didn't know that it was scientific fact that you MUST use a gamepad on a console or you are gimping the entire reason why you are playing on a console? /sarcasm off

[Memeotis]

I believe it should.

If controller users feel it's unfair, nobody is stopping them to get adequate FPS gaming equipment.
It's like being angry about someone with a steering wheel for being a better driver when you're using a pilot stick to drive a car.

It's not. What you're describing can only be translated into a situation whereby a person has chosen to use a gamepad on PC, making himself inferior by default and then complaining about it.

On the contrary, people playing using a KBM in a gamepad environment (console) is making himself superior.

The first scenario it is very reasonable to simply say 'fine, then change to KBM'. In the second scenario, you are telling the majority of people to change.

[blashyrk]

It's not. What you're describing can only be translated into a situation whereby a person has chosen to use a gamepad on PC, making himself inferior by default and then complaining about it.

On the contrary, people playing using a KBM in a gamepad environment (console) is making himself superior.

The first scenario it is very reasonable to simply say 'fine, then change to KBM'. In the second scenario, you are telling the majority of people to change.

Which is again absolutely fine in my opinion. Nobody forces them to do so. Kbd and mouse are available for all who want to get them. They absolutely don't need to change anything if they don't want to. But bitching about kbd/mouse players being better while clinging on to the gamepad and forcing others to do the same is plain wrong IMO.

Like you said yourself, if people want to play FPS games on a PC with a gamepad - they can. While I absolutely agree (which is quite rhetorical in itself) that kbd/mouse players are going to be superior to gamepad users, it's by no means an unfair advantage.

The support for kbd/mouse on the next-gen consoles kinda supports my point by itself.

Also, a couple of days ago, Mortal Kombat Komplete was released on the PC. It has an online mode. I believe that 99% of the players play it with a gamepad (myself included). If I wanted to play it on keyboard, i'd be at a severe disadvantage, but that wouldn't mean I would be right if I started complaining about it now would it?
And gamepad is not adequate FPS equipment, not even on consoles, the same way keyboard is not adequate fighting game equipment even on the PC.

[Memeotis]

https://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/index.php?threads/survey-should-the-playstation-4-version-of-ps2-support-keyboard-and-mouse.136968/

I've posted the results on there.

[Memeotis]

Which is again absolutely fine in my opinion. Nobody forces them to do so. Kbd and mouse are available for all who want to get them. They absolutely don't need to change anything if they don't want to. But bitching about kbd/mouse players being better while clinging on to the gamepad and forcing others to do the same is plain wrong IMO.

Like you said yourself, if people want to play FPS games on a PC with a gamepad - they can. While I absolutely agree (which is quite rhetorical in itself) that kbd/mouse players are going to be superior to gamepad users, it's by no means an unfair advantage.

The support for kbd/mouse on the next-gen consoles kinda supports my point by itself.

Also, a couple of days ago, Mortal Kombat Komplete was released on the PC. It has an online mode. I believe that 99% of the players play it with a gamepad (myself included). If I wanted to play it on keyboard, i'd be at a severe disadvantage, but that wouldn't mean I would be right if I started complaining about it now would it?
And gamepad is not adequate FPS equipment, not even on consoles, the same way keyboard is not adequate fighting game equipment even on the PC.

You're using an example where the game itself is closely tied to the input. Just like how the majority of players in flight simulators use a joystick. That's not the case with consoles; here the majority of players use a gamepad either because they really want to, or because it doesn't make sense for them to use a KBM - for which the reasons are numerous.

My personal reason is that I'm a university student with limited space, who needs a gaming platform that has a lot of social games (sports, racing, etc), and I have a laptop, so I never had to get a desk for a desktop.

Another person said he had come to prefer console because he had recently become a parent, and rather than confining himself to a desk in the corner, he was much more accessible by sitting in the center of the room.

My point is that there are several benefits to having a console, which may not be directly tied to the gaming experience itself. And because of this, I highly doubt that the majority of console players are simply gamers who can't afford an amazing gaming PC.

You will therefore be shafting a great number of players by allowing KBM use on all PS2 servers on the PS4. However, if you filter these players, and give gamepad-users the choice to play on servers that do not support KBM, then you can finally make the argument that playing with a KBM is a 'choice'

[Baneblade]

what I never understood is why people think differently for PC and console... to me they are basically the same. Would I sit on a couch and use my powerhouse desktop tied into a 69 in TV... fuck yeah.

Who cares if controllers are at a disadvantage, they do it willingly. And the idea that you need a keyboard to use a mouse is hilarious. Have you tried controller+mouse?

[PredatorFour]

what I never understood is why people think differently for PC and console... to me they are basically the same. Would I sit on a couch and use my powerhouse desktop tied into a 69 in TV... fuck yeah.

Who cares if controllers are at a disadvantage, they do it willingly. And the idea that you need a keyboard to use a mouse is hilarious. Have you tried controller+mouse?

Agree 100%. I'd go as far to say that the disadvantage controller users get is nowhere near as bad as the PC fanboys suggest. Turning up the sensitivity means you can react quick, nearly as quick as a key+mouse.

Another thing you have is that there is another accessory you can use with playstation. Move. So you have gamepad 'v' keyboard+ mouse 'v' move and pad...3 factors to think about not just 2. 3 options fps gamers on playstation can go out and buy quite easily. I have used move to play mag with and it's quite fun, like holding a mouse. (like pad +mouse)

[wasdie]

I say no because of demographics. 99% of people on the consoles will play with a controller despite the option. This gives that 1% of people who want to set themselves up a setup that uses a mouse and keyboard (it's a bit more difficult than just putting a keyboard in your lap and your mouse on an endtable) a straight up advantage.

When you consider the more casual nature of F2P gamers and console gamers, that small percentage of hardcore guys who want to play competitively could really upset the balance.

Too keep it fair I say they just should have a controller and not support keyboard and mouse. Just because it's optional doesn't make it fair. People don't buy consoles so they have to plug in a keyboard and mouse and hunch over some sort of a desk or table just to play and have fun.

If you really want to play Planetside 2 with a keyboard and mouse, you should take that money you would buy a PS4 with and invest into a PC.

[wasdie]

Would I sit on a couch and use my powerhouse desktop tied into a 69 in TV... fuck yeah.


I have that exact setup right now, only a 40 inch TV because my living room isn't huge. I connected a 50 foot HDMI cable to my PC and I have a wireless mouse and keyboard. I can easily swap to my living room to play games whenever. It's not as cool as you would think.

The controls are straight up awkward. I have to turn down the FoV because im much further away from the screen. I also have to hunch over a table just so I can sit upright and be more alert. Reading text is a pain and PC exclusive games that were never built with a console in mind are just difficult too play.

I thought it would be awesome but it ended up being a novelty. I will take sitting at my desk over fighting my living room for comfort as I squint at the screen trying to see what's going on with games that were designed to be less than 3 feet away from your face.

[PredatorFour]

I say no because of demographics. 99% of people on the consoles will play with a controller despite the option. This gives that 1% of people who want to set themselves up a setup that uses a mouse and keyboard (it's a bit more difficult than just putting a keyboard in your lap and your mouse on an endtable) a straight up advantage.

When you consider the more casual nature of F2P gamers and console gamers, that small percentage of hardcore guys who want to play competitively could really upset the balance.




Don't mean sound like a dick here, but do you really think 1% will upset the balance against 99%. It's a drop in the ocean.

[Maidere]

Don't mean sound like a dick here, but do you really think 1% will upset the balance against 99%. It's a drop in the ocean.

People will go nuts and suspect the K+M user in every single person that will kill them.

[Obstruction]

you guys are acting like it won't have USB plugs like every playstaytion since playstation 2. i really don't get some of these threads. i mean USB mouse support is like the most primitive piece of basic software in the universe. it's existed since before most of you were born.

lol. some of these threads i swear.

[Calista]

I say no because of demographics. 99% of people on the consoles will play with a controller despite the option. This gives that 1% of people who want to set themselves up a setup that uses a mouse and keyboard (it's a bit more difficult than just putting a keyboard in your lap and your mouse on an endtable) a straight up advantage.

When you consider the more casual nature of F2P gamers and console gamers, that small percentage of hardcore guys who want to play competitively could really upset the balance.

Too keep it fair I say they just should have a controller and not support keyboard and mouse. Just because it's optional doesn't make it fair. People don't buy consoles so they have to plug in a keyboard and mouse and hunch over some sort of a desk or table just to play and have fun.

If you really want to play Planetside 2 with a keyboard and mouse, you should take that money you would buy a PS4 with and invest into a PC.

Well said and I agree 100%.

[PredatorFour]

People will go nuts and suspect the K+M user in every single person that will kill them.

You can tell if someones using a keyboard and mouse by their strafe (a,d,a,d) it's obvious. You see it in Dust. It doesn't make any difference getting killed by them because you kill them with a pad if you see them first.

..and Obstruction said something wise that alot of people should read in this thread.

[Calista]

you guys are acting like it won't have USB plugs like every playstaytion since playstation 2. i really don't get some of these threads. i mean USB mouse support is like the most primitive piece of basic software in the universe. it's existed since before most of you were born.

lol. some of these threads i swear.

It's not that the system supports it, it is if the game supports it. You are correct certainly but why have no games been programmed to take advantage of them? Because of what Wasdie said and it needs to stay that way.

[wasdie]

you guys are acting like it won't have USB plugs like every playstaytion since playstation 2. i really don't get some of these threads. i mean USB mouse support is like the most primitive piece of basic software in the universe. it's existed since before most of you were born.

lol. some of these threads i swear.

The software has to actually read and translate the input devices.

This isn't if they *can* have mouse and keyboard support, they obviously can, it's if they should have the support while you're playing games.

When you break it down it's a straight up advantage over people playing with controllers which we can logically assume will be 99% of the population given the context of a game console.

[Memeotis]

I say no because of demographics. 99% of people on the consoles will play with a controller despite the option. This gives that 1% of people who want to set themselves up a setup that uses a mouse and keyboard (it's a bit more difficult than just putting a keyboard in your lap and your mouse on an endtable) a straight up advantage.

When you consider the more casual nature of F2P gamers and console gamers, that small percentage of hardcore guys who want to play competitively could really upset the balance.

Too keep it fair I say they just should have a controller and not support keyboard and mouse. Just because it's optional doesn't make it fair. People don't buy consoles so they have to plug in a keyboard and mouse and hunch over some sort of a desk or table just to play and have fun.

If you really want to play Planetside 2 with a keyboard and mouse, you should take that money you would buy a PS4 with and invest into a PC.

Exactly. There are a lot of players who are serious console gamers, who play to win, but also have very good reasons to want to play with a gamepad. If you add KBM support to all PS2 servers on the PS4, then many will choose to overlook the game, because they want to win, but they also want to play with a gamepad without being at a disadvantage.