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Hamma
2013-07-11, 08:02 PM
I guess people only post things on instant gratification reddit these days :lol:

Nanite Systems Helmet tweeted earlier today.

https://twitter.com/NaniteSystems/status/355437400526290947

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130711_51df476b0efd3.jpg

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2410

Mordelicius
2013-07-11, 08:26 PM
I guess people only post things on instant gratification reddit these days :lol:

Nanite Systems Helmet tweeted earlier today.

https://twitter.com/NaniteSystems/status/355437400526290947

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130711_51df476b0efd3.jpg

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2410

It looks great and all, but it feels like a standard Super Sentai, Goranger-style inspired Vanu helmet rather than a nondescript NS one.

Imo, it should be strictly Vanu. It's hard to picture TR wearing this. It looks way off. For the NC, it has some similarities with the Nightstriker, but it's still easily and unmistakeably Vanu looking more than anything.

Whiteagle
2013-07-11, 08:46 PM
It looks great and all, but it feels like a standard Super Sentai, Goranger-style inspired Vanu helmet rather than a nondescript NS one.

Imo, it should be strictly Vanu. It's hard to picture TR wearing this. It looks way off. For the NC, it has some similarities with the Nightstriker, but it's still easily and unmistakeably Vanu looking more than anything.
It's probably the "V" shaped visor...
It just screams "VANU SENTAI FORCE GO!"

AThreatToYou
2013-07-11, 08:56 PM
I think it looks nice.

Ghoest9
2013-07-11, 09:39 PM
To me it looks like something a VS would wear.

I suppose it might go well with Camel.

Hamma
2013-07-11, 10:11 PM
It definitely looks Vanu, pretty sure T-Ray is probably behind the helm of that Twitter account. :lol:

EVILPIG
2013-07-11, 11:04 PM
I guess people only post things on instant gratification reddit these days :lol:

Nanite Systems Helmet tweeted earlier today.

https://twitter.com/NaniteSystems/status/355437400526290947

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20130711_51df476b0efd3.jpg

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media.php?view=2410

Who's up all night to get lucky?

capiqu
2013-07-11, 11:41 PM
I don't know about that. I could see this in red for TR and Blue for NC. I think it would work. NY Giants and the Dallas cowboys use the same helmets and same equipment and wear. How do you tell them apart? Colors.
And if that isn't enough you still have a little triangle above your head indicating your faction.

Gatekeeper
2013-07-12, 03:12 AM
Honestly this seems like a terrible idea to me - it's already hard enough to tell one faction from another, especially when customisation is involved - and this is just going to make things even worse. We need the different factions to be more distinctive-looking, not less.

Canaris
2013-07-12, 03:35 AM
I also don't think common pool armour types is a good idea

Gonefshn
2013-07-12, 04:56 AM
It's really cool but it looks Vanu for sure. It really shares none of the characteristics of the NS weapons. Definitely not a NS helm. But I'd pay for it on my Vanu in a second!

Timealude
2013-07-12, 05:10 AM
Honestly this seems like a terrible idea to me - it's already hard enough to tell one faction from another, especially when customisation is involved - and this is just going to make things even worse. We need the different factions to be more distinctive-looking, not less.

i honestly never got this argument, i feel the IFF in the game is pretty good..i honestly dont think the same helmets are going to make it hard to tell the difference between friend and foe.

Shogun
2013-07-12, 05:14 AM
you won´t let us loot weapons from killed enemies, but VS helmets are going to be sold to everybody?

brilliant!:no:

Nur
2013-07-12, 05:50 AM
What a stupid idea. NS armors and helmets. Completely stupid.

Jonny
2013-07-12, 06:17 AM
Agree with Nur. Artistically - looks great! Game design wise... what were they thinking?

Its already hard enough to tell friend from foe. I know, lets have everyone able to wear the same armour...

I'd love to see a dev response on this.

EDIT: That being said, no problem if this is just an NS helmet for Vanu (as it looks very vanu)

Gatekeeper
2013-07-12, 07:52 AM
i honestly never got this argument, i feel the IFF in the game is pretty good..i honestly dont think the same helmets are going to make it hard to tell the difference between friend and foe.

Personally I'd say the IFF functions of the UI are ok at best, they're certainly nothing to write home about and don't always work well.

Even when they do work perfectly, the problem is that people still base their first impression mostly on what the character looks like to work out if it's a threat or not - which makes sense, since you need to work out what class they are, what weapon they have, whether they've noticed you or not, etc.

Having to do that initial assessment of the character, and then do a second check for the colour of the triangle over their head slows you down, and makes it more likely an enemy will get the drop on you. So people either rush it and end up shooting friendlies, or they take their time and enemies start firing first.

This makes the game more difficult and annoying for everyone (nobody likes being TKed), and it's really frustrating since it would have been very easy to avoid by just following some sensible design guidlines:

1) Make character silhouettes distinctive by faction. I.e. the general outline of a TR soldier should be distinctive at a glance, and hard to confuse with an NC or VS one.

2) Make sure that a distinctive faction-specific colour dominates all camo patterns. Don't make camos that are mostly white, green, grey or whatever with some little flashes of faction colour - make sure all characters have large, clear panels of blue, yellow, purple, teal or red on them at all times.

3) Make sure that camo-patterns never use colours normally associated with the other factions. No purplish camo for NC, no yellow camo for VS, etc. VS giraffe camo is a classic example of how bad PS2 is at this.

4) Make cosmetic items clearly faction-specific: don't have masks or helmets that are basically the same for all factions. Give each faction a specific, distinct flavour. Things like the distinctive VS infiltrator helm and the Protoss helms based on it are a great example of this, whereas maniac masks or this new NS helm are the opposite extreme.

tl;dr - people mix up friends and foe all the damn time in this game, new players especially. This is due to bad art direction, which this new helmet will only make worse.

ChipMHazard
2013-07-12, 08:01 AM
Not that big of a deal if it's just a helmet, but I "fear" that if this helmet sells alot then they are going to make NS armour to match. Which is where I draw the line. Picture an entire NS set with camo that looks the same for all factions... Have fun with that:/ As such, I agree completely that having NS armour sets are a very bad idea and I would rather that they just don't make any NS helmets. (Simply because I don't trust SOE to not want to) I also feel like it goes a bit against the lore of each faction.

Besides that it looks really good but it also looks too much like a VS helmet to fit either the NC or TR.

Edit: Also no matter if TRay agrees with it or not, that helmet will confuse some people if the head of said person is the only visible part, because of certain camos.

OmegaPREDATOR
2013-07-12, 08:53 AM
Edit: Also no matter if TRay agrees with it or not, that helmet will confuse some people if the head of said person is the only visible part, because of certain camos.

And you don't see the camo for SOE Live (according to Vanu Labs). TK POWA !!!

Dollar Sign Camo - YouTube
This is probably the "High Roller" camo that will also be available for those attending SOE Live. I assume these are still WIP as the color schemes for the three factions are very similar.

And another NS helmet (color are changing a little between faction - will see with a camo).
NS-011 Compound Helmet NC - YouTube
NS-011 Compound Helmet VS - YouTube
NS-011 Compound Helmet TR - YouTube

Whiteagle
2013-07-12, 09:03 AM
And another NS helmet (color are changing a little between faction - will see with a camo).
Ok that one I like, simply because it LOOKS Nanite Systems Issue.
It's all blocky and knobby, plus it has a ridiculous number of Optics crammed on it.

ChipMHazard
2013-07-12, 09:16 AM
Snip

By Higby's Hair there's some creature on his face!

That helmet does kinda remind me of something...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l162/Lord_crapalot/TheTuskanswouldlikeatalk_zps70d4bf7b.jpg

"SOE. We need to have a little chat."

Dougnifico
2013-07-12, 06:50 PM
No NS helmets. Keep the factions distinct and give this to the VS. Looks good, but its VS.

SternLX
2013-07-12, 10:11 PM
Wow, whatta bunch of asshats in here. I guaren-goddamn-teeya, if the trim color in the pic was Red you have just as many asshats screaming "OMGz, it so obviously TR!"

They put out new gear and you'd think it's "game over man, game over!" with the lot of you whingers.

Chowley
2013-07-13, 01:51 AM
That camo, christ they need to send some artists off on holidays they are obviously worn out from reskinning the gun models :p.

Although I do really love the look of the NS helmets they should not be in game.

The original looks like VS, give it to VS.
The Sandpeople look fits NC (in my head, i cannae explain) So.....

Evil Redrum
2013-07-13, 02:44 AM
And another NS helmet (color are changing a little between faction - will see with a camo).
NS-011 Compound Helmet NC - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH3hHPtLFLU)
NS-011 Compound Helmet VS - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M0CHIl5nIs)
NS-011 Compound Helmet TR - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pbRHRfADLY)

Please note that the nc and tr helmets aren't showing textures properly.

ChipMHazard
2013-07-13, 06:59 AM
Wow, whatta bunch of asshats in here. I guaren-goddamn-teeya, if the trim color in the pic was Red you have just as many asshats screaming "OMGz, it so obviously TR!"

Has nothing to do with the colour at all. The helmet design just looks like a VS helmet. Only thing that makes it look like a TR helmet is the tubing for what I guess is supposed to be a rebreather/gas mask.

Also I'm going to let you ponder over what you can do with said hat comment next time you find yourself disagreeing with other posters. Here's a hint... It involves your bum.

They put out new gear and you'd think it's "game over man, game over!" with the lot of you whingers.

Here's the thing, I don't have much of a problem with it just staying at helmets. However my concerns arise when I factor in how some camo has worked so far and as we all know there are some camos that make different factions look very much alike, palette wise. I've never had an issue with that personally since I look for the silhouette. That is also the reason why I draw the line at NS helmets.
Yes, people shouldn't jump to the conclusion that we will be seeing NS armour as well, seeing as we don't know if that will happen.

Shamrock
2013-07-13, 11:28 AM
However my concerns arise when I factor in how some camo has worked so far and as we all know there are some camos that make different facrtions look very much alike, palette wise.

I can think of a handful of players who im sure have combined certain camo patterns with one of the skull/ski mask helmets which on a light assault model can make you pause for a split second before shooting, which in a game with a TTK like PS2 is all they need to give them an edge, NS helmets will not help this unless the trim is a fat red/yellow/purple stripe that is not obscured by camo.

However if we are just talking about the designs them selves i think they look great.

Falcon_br
2013-07-13, 12:51 PM
This will be great! I already have some camouflages to use while attacking the NC to make then confuse about my faction, but I can´t do that while attacking the Vanu!
With that helmet everything will be perfect!

DviddLeff
2013-07-13, 03:51 PM
I have to agree - NS helmet and (presumably) armour is a bad move when they are trying to differentiate the empires further.

What I would like to see is empire specific customisations for NS vehicles.

Plaqueis
2013-07-14, 02:40 AM
Wow, whatta bunch of asshats in here. I guaren-goddamn-teeya, if the trim color in the pic was Red you have just as many asshats screaming "OMGz, it so obviously TR!"

They put out new gear and you'd think it's "game over man, game over!" with the lot of you whingers.

+1.

Personally, i can't wait for more NS stuff in game, be it weapons or gear. I hardly use anything but NS weapons (11a, 11c, 15a, 357, 44, Lightning) cause imo they're far more effective than VS specific stuff. I don't know about the helmet, but when the NS SMG comes, i'll probably get that too although i do love my Sirius... :)

Sarloh
2013-07-14, 09:34 AM
I don't like this helmet so much. It's more VS, a bit NC but TR? Possibly with some armor in it's style to go with it.

ShadoViper
2013-07-14, 12:27 PM
Not really a big fan of NS helmets idea. Looks more Vanu, like people said before me.

Ruffdog
2013-07-14, 04:45 PM
Artistically - looks great! Game design wise... what were they thinking?

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQzJBxOOC70qv4PKzr04rlG7cYx3uQ3h OcA3YB0I1SwVrGLF1BOpA



"These Neutrals, Kif; they sicken me."

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_FVIuqGcrJQnboGFsRF3jizH0LlPet xcaDKUp4C0Dwdp7cKNDzQ

Looks good. Will I buy it? Absolutely not. Goggles or death. Make it a Vanu. In fact there WILL be friendly fire happening within the TR if this gets to the store.
Could be its a method to give MLG more options in the future. Picture both factions on Nexus wearing full NS armor and helmet with only the colour changed?

Crator
2013-07-14, 08:11 PM
A common pool cosmetic item in a PvP only game with 3 different factions. Did anyone on the dev team realize that might be a conflict of interest or you guy just trying to keep us on our toes?

raw
2013-07-15, 05:06 AM
Please note that the nc and tr helmets aren't showing textures properly.

VS OP again, nerf pls.

Qwan
2013-07-15, 07:38 AM
It looks nice I wonder how a camo pattern is going to look on it. But to be honest guys, all the new cosmetic gear is nice, and I dont want to sound like a whiner but can we get more continents and stuff now. I dont want new head gear or weapons or even vehicles. I want a new continent NOWWWW!!. :cry:

Zadexin
2013-07-15, 04:29 PM
Common pool armor is a TERRIBLE idea. When you slap camo on there they are all going to look very similar. In a game were you have less than 1/3 of a second to decide on friend or foe before being oneshotted by a shotgun ANY common items are a bad idea. I still don't like that all NS tracers are white. It makes figuring out where the VS are at night even more difficult.

Geist
2013-07-15, 04:55 PM
Common pool armor is a TERRIBLE idea. When you slap camo on there they are all going to look very similar. In a game were you have less than 1/3 of a second to decide on friend or foe before being oneshotted by a shotgun ANY common items are a bad idea. I still don't like that all NS tracers are white. It makes figuring out where the VS are at night even more difficult.

I just started playing again recently, so haven't noticed, but if that's true WTF!?!?

NS helmets on the other hand are fine for me at least. I use armor to differentiate, the only one that might be a problem would be the Infiltrator, since all they have on are helmets and skinsuits.

Chaff
2013-07-15, 05:33 PM
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Keeping the factions unique should be a priority that no one has to remind SOE of.

Naturally, this applies to Empire weapons, vehicles, and "cosmetics".

Time = money. It takes more time to make anything Empire Specific.

Cosmetics are King in the PS2 CASH SHOP.

A pessimist might surmise that making NS gear for all empires is nothing more than SOE openly proclaiming that they're willing to hurt the game for a little more cash now.
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Bankrotas
2013-07-16, 04:52 AM
$th faction helmet indeed, honestly, what's next? You pay certain ammount for nanite systems character, who you can use on any side of the server you please?

Carbon Copied
2013-07-16, 05:34 AM
Really like the style of this helmet and the faction specific colours do differentiate it enough for use in game. The problem comes when you have lazily shrink wrapped camo on - in my opinion the devs seriously need to look at how camo is applied on the models or come up with some way of allowing the player to customize predefined areas of having camo on that part or not.

The issue isn't the models (apart from being marginally pump in the first place and hopefully still on the list of "to revamp") it's the application of the camo everyone can hide behind.

Shooter
2013-07-19, 06:08 AM
Gatekeeper is making some great points, especially points 2) and 3)

Same goes for vehicles i.e. NC Harassers should have BLUE on them not just small patches of yellow that blend into several types of camouflage.
Both friendlies and enemy need to know who is who at a glance.

Shogun
2013-07-19, 07:02 AM
Gatekeeper is making some great points, especially points 2) and 3)

Same goes for vehicles i.e. NC Harassers should have BLUE on them not just small patches of yellow that blend into several types of camouflage.
Both friendlies and enemy need to know who is who at a glance.

thanks to the glorious free to play model, that train has already left the (play)station.

the game wants you to grind and farm enemies, and it doesn´t even let you know who is an enemy. and they are making it worse with every new cosmetic in the depot.

can we please get a ps2 where ps stands for PLANETSIDE?

Climhazzard
2013-07-19, 02:18 PM
I just started playing again recently, so haven't noticed, but if that's true WTF!?!?

I'm not sure what the issue is here. The tracers used to be yellow, which conflicted with the NC's bullet tracers.