I'll not be resubbing any time soon

[Illtempered]

I'm not saying I'm quitting. I'm not throwing a tantrum and taking my ball home. I'm just saying....this is pathetic. One year in and not ONE new continent. They're wasting all their time on redesigning bases and continents that don't need it, and of course they never miss any opportunities to throw cheap crap in the overpriced SC store. They still can't even get the HUD colors right, and performance still sucks with fewer players on the servers.

I was a heavy supporter of this game early on, when many others were raging. I thought the bases were defensible enough at launch, and the influence/hex system worked just fine. Tech Plants, and Biolabs were hard to take, and if the gens were defended at Amp Stations they were no pushover either.

But! We were lied to. They knew this game was nowhere near finished, and we've been funding their beta-test for a future Playstion4 game. I've been a loyal Planetside subscriber for over ten years! Do that math. I've put my money into the system, but I'll not be putting anymore in until I see some major changes on SOE's end. In the meantime I'll play for free and not hold my breath.

[Carbon Copied]

In a similar boat where I just log on for daily certs now. That all said though I do feel obliged to keep up a long MMO tradition of posts that have leaving in one form or another as a topic so I'm just going to go ahead and say it:

So can I have your stuff? :D

[camycamera]

and they still have to redesign the spawn rooms lol

[Rivenshield]

Yeah.... I haven't logged on for at least two months. I just try to keep my finger on the fading pulse here and on the official forum.

It's free, any time I want. And I don't want any.

[SgtMAD]

I just saw the new PS4 commercial

this game is headed straight there,we were the beta for the console game LOL

and we goddamn paid them for it,its friggin hilarious

the PC revenue stream is about tapped out,so they move it to console and soak a whole new crop of "players"

[Taramafor]

and they still have to redesign the spawn rooms lol

This. Also, bugs. Like the turret bug that's been around since beta.

I just saw the new PS4 commercial

this game is headed straight there,we were the beta for the console game LOL

and we goddamn paid them for it,its friggin hilarious

the PC revenue stream is about tapped out,so they move it to console and soak a whole new crop of "players"

Also this.

Also bad lattice. There are places that are next to each other on roads (obvious supply route) yet are not connected by lattice.

And finally, the constant back and forth of bases with none of the bases feeling like they ever matter or having a fair chance to hold on to them for any long period of time (which is what bases SHOULD be about). Bases should be more difficult to take as when one claims it, it will give people something to feel proud about. That said, timers for base captures are too long when one gets swarmed easily and spawn rooms are surrounded (spawn rooms themselves are broken. Let people just drop pod at a small number of locations in territories or something and you'd probably have better fights).

Trying to stick it out with PS2 but find myself losing more and more interest as time goes on. And I'm playing this only a few times a week.

[Phrygen]

There is no point to re-subbing even if you are highly active. Sub once, get your certs and get up to around BR 60, then you have everything you need.

The only real incentive is the extra resources frankly. No resources really sucks.

I used to think I would keep paying just to support the game, but then the referral thing was launch... all the best vanity costs 200 dollars in fake accounts.... That is what made me stop subbing.

[Badjuju]

I'm not saying I'm quitting. I'm not throwing a tantrum and taking my ball home. I'm just saying....this is pathetic. One year in and not ONE new continent. They're wasting all their time on redesigning bases and continents that don't need it, and of course they never miss any opportunities to throw cheap crap in the overpriced SC store. They still can't even get the HUD colors right, and performance still sucks with fewer players on the servers.

I was a heavy supporter of this game early on, when many others were raging. I thought the bases were defensible enough at launch, and the influence/hex system worked just fine. Tech Plants, and Biolabs were hard to take, and if the gens were defended at Amp Stations they were no pushover either.

But! We were lied to. They knew this game was nowhere near finished, and we've been funding their beta-test for a future Playstion4 game. I've been a loyal Planetside subscriber for over ten years! Do that math. I've put my money into the system, but I'll not be putting anymore in until I see some major changes on SOE's end. In the meantime I'll play for free and not hold my breath.

I stop at "They're wasting all their time on redesigning bases and continents that don't need it."

Base design has been the biggest issue in this game for me as an infantry player. The essamir redesign is was a huge step up and far more fun for me to play on than indar (talking strictly bases). The nexus is an even bigger improvement upon that. I've played a hand full of matches on the nexus and have enjoyed playing on those bases much much more than any live bases thus far. The core of the infantry combat takes place in the bases themselves, so they take far more priority than the landscape they exist in. That's not to say new conts are not important. However the continents are rather irrelevant if you don't enjoy playing for the objectives that exist on them.

[GraniteRok]

I have to agree. I've cancelled my sub as well. I think there's a month to go or there abouts. I still play and enjoy the game because of playing with friends but as others have said, it'll be a year and a complete lack of coming through on the promises.... Roadmap? QOL items? Continents? It's like developer ADD or something, getting all hyped about saying they're doing this or that then washed away for something else. Over the past year, I've put in what would've been two years worth of a regular subscription when factoring SC purchases, Alpha squad and the monthly subscription. Did I get my money's worth? Nope!

[Jonny]

I'm letting my years subscription come to an end, then no more money is going into this game. It's still loads of fun but I've got what I need now and supported the game. Time for them to support us back and add the meta game, new continent, and improve base designs/remove spawn camping. Chop chop SOE! :)

I'm looking forward to the optimisations too.

[Assist]

I'm not saying I'm quitting. I'm not throwing a tantrum and taking my ball home. I'm just saying....this is pathetic. One year in and not ONE new continent. They're wasting all their time on redesigning bases and continents that don't need it, and of course they never miss any opportunities to throw cheap crap in the overpriced SC store. They still can't even get the HUD colors right, and performance still sucks with fewer players on the servers.

I was a heavy supporter of this game early on, when many others were raging. I thought the bases were defensible enough at launch, and the influence/hex system worked just fine. Tech Plants, and Biolabs were hard to take, and if the gens were defended at Amp Stations they were no pushover either.

But! We were lied to. They knew this game was nowhere near finished, and we've been funding their beta-test for a future Playstion4 game. I've been a loyal Planetside subscriber for over ten years! Do that math. I've put my money into the system, but I'll not be putting anymore in until I see some major changes on SOE's end. In the meantime I'll play for free and not hold my breath.


/still waiting on hossin :mad:

[Ruffdog]

Same boat. Just stopped my second 6th month from renewing. I've put the best part of 150 quid in with alpha, subs and sc. But I can't do it any more

[OpolE]

I do wonder how they even break even at the end of the month when they have fucked up nearly all their games

[Mox]

Stopped paying and playing. Ill be back when it is possible to lock continents....

[Illtempered]

Having said all of that, I still have a blast playing this beta-game with my outfit, and can't find anything better...yet.

[Locke]

I recently canceled my membership subscription also. I've always seen it as a way of supporting the continued development of the game but for me it's just moving far to slowly. There are still way to many big things I find objectionable with the core balancing of the game and to many instances of "unfinished" features like the resource system and continental locking. I've had a lot of fun and spent more money than I intended (not doing f2p again if I can avoid it) but overall I'm disappointed with how this game has turned out right now. Lots of great ideas but not enough effective implementation. :(

[Varsam]

I'm not throwing a tantrum and taking my ball home.

*proceeds to throw a tantrum*

Hilarious.

[Illtempered]

Lol that's your idea of a tantrum? mkay

It's called criticism. Fanboys need not apply.

[OCNSethy]

I wait for my current sub to lapse and that will be it. Ill keep playing with my outfit and have fun with them.

[TheAadvark]

^Same here , have already supported the game with the meager amount of money I make, in fact I have never put this much money into an MMO.

IMO It's time they earn the next installment. :D

[Maarvy]

Eternal crusade will be released before PS2 makes new continent or meaningful gameplay ... SOE only have till 2015 to prove me wrong .

[Paperboy]

As expected, I saw from the beginning this game is going nowhere, they're just going to milk it for what it's worth, they didnt get any dime from me, Planetside R.I.P I have some good memories on the old ps1 title, ps2 is a complete joke.

If its true that this game was only a beta test so that they could milk the console players, then they have brought the final blow to this game.

[ChipMHazard]

It's called criticism. Fanboys need not apply.

"But! We were lied to. They knew this game was nowhere near finished, and we've been funding their beta-test for a future Playstion4 game." - That there isn't critiscm, that's just a baseless accusation. Or at best wild speculation.


If its true that this game was only a beta test so that they could milk the console players, then they have brought the final blow to this game.

What's up with these crazy conspiracy theories?:/
That's the problem with these things, once people see them enough times they start believing them to be true.

To me it simply seems like SOE didn't plan ahead all that well: Optimization, changes in map/level design, core gameplay mechanics changes etc. Of course it also has to do with finding out what does and does not work and reacting to it.
Sadly the develoment of new content has slowed down completely with the current optimization. Can't be helped, although the engine should have been created with modern hardware in mind!
I am most certainly looking forward to Hossin though and I do agree that they need to get new content out ASAP.

With regards to subbing. I haven't subbed for months now, mostly because I don't really see the point. (The member benefits don't really benefit me personally)
Atm. I'm waiting for a double SC day.

[Taramafor]

although the engine should have been created with modern hardware in mind!


I think this is the root of all the problems when it comes right down to it. SOE should have took a good, long look at the game, test it out on different hardware and THEN beta tested it. Now we have the optimization and waiting for major changes. Etc. I'd rather wait for a stable product then have things rushed and worked on inbetween, because let's face it, things catch up sooner or later. Problems don't just go away.

Speaking of major changes, there really needs to be some new content. Some of which should probably lean towards more of PS1's play style where people have more time to plan, think and react compared to the twitch game that is PS2 (not saying the twitch moments shouldn't be there, just that other stuff should be with it). That's just my opinion but it's an opinion I've seen many others state and although I may not have played PS1, I have played somewhat similar games with the same pace (where things slow down and take a bit of time), if not the same setting (spawning and such). I picture the first planetside as Battlezone 2 with different classes and no base building and spawning at already placed bases, but that's a damn fine image in my head.

Regardless of what direction the game goes in, it needs to be going in a direction. Period. And things like the biolab changes need to be thoroughly tested before being released. Which it is I suppose as it's on a test server, so let's keep that in mind before putting too much blame on the devs (though that said they should test this themselves beforehand as well).

So with all that covered, I encourage people to point out the flaws that come when things change in the game as well as what can be salvaged and worked on and what's good from the start. I also encourage people to sub if they can to support the devs when they put in something that works or simply donate (donations work). As for what doesn't, give them a chance for a bit, point out the flaws and what can be improved and whatnot and hope they'll get on it. If not then... Well, we'll see what happens I suppose.

[Crator]

To me it simply seems like SOE didn't plan ahead all that well: Optimization, changes in map/level design, core gameplay mechanics changes etc. Of course it also has to do with finding out what does and does not work and reacting to it.


The highlighted is the main issue with development moving forward. SOE had a hard deadline to release, did what they had to do to make the game available and to sell things on the SC market. They had a rough idea of what they needed/wanted to do with some loosely based time-lines. They shared what they were planning with the community and even setup a system that allowed the community to up-vote/down-vote ideas, allowing SOE to prioritize when they get them done in some regards. A really big issue that the players and developers toiled over that took a lot of time was the lattice system. That wasn't planned for and was thrown into all the other things they wanted to do.

Another big thing that wasn't announced as planned for was the optimizations. That kind of came out of no where by Smed which halted a lot of this.

[ShadoViper]

Can't really say I have sympathy for the game at this point. Most of the things that are "wrong" with the game, including optimization issues. Ended up being the things people have been bitching about since the beta. So this was only going to get worse before it got better as far as I'm concerned. So I certainly don't blame people for lambasting the game at this point and being angry after waiting this long. The problem really comes down to... Its been a year of this bullshit.

And being a bleeding heart, trying to Justify to everyone how it hasn't been a rough year, isn't my style. It has had more lows than highs for me. From bad balancing, to a pointless global capture system, followed up with terrible base designs. The game has had an identity crisis for the past year, one that we all paid for. So we'll see what they've got in store for the games future. However, I can't say I'll be investing a dime or a subscription into this game again for a while.

I wish the team the very best, I really do. I hope that this optimization gives this game a leg to stand on and helps it move on to become the amazing game it can be.

[kubacheski]

A really big issue that the players and developers toiled over that took a lot of time was the lattice system. That wasn't planned for and was thrown into all the other things they wanted to do.

Another big thing that wasn't announced as planned for was the optimizations. That kind of came out of no where by Smed which halted a lot of this.

This seems to be complete nonsense. The optimization of the game in general has been in question since gold release. There are threads in this forum that question it as not having happened after the hardware tests before beta, if you want to search for them. The truth of the matter is that SOE couldn’t optimize before or at release as they had not clearly defined plan of what they were going to put into the game. The lattice system was in the game during in-house testing as stated by the dev team, but they wanted to go with the hex system instead and that is what took the dev time away from development of core gameplay mechanics as the hex map was a complex system and it might have had a chance of working if they had enough continents and a more robust and defined resource system. There was no “flow” of conquest and resource allocation that led to its replacement with the lattice.

Seriously, how different of a game is it since late beta? Almost all of the core mechanics have changed. hex for lattice, multiple changes in capture mechanics, spawn variations from galaxy to sundy, resource revamps (anyone remember what auraxium was for?), etc etc etc.

They seem to be completely winging it when it comes to content. How many of the roadmap milestones have to do with completely restructuring what they're doing currently with game mechanics?

[Paperboy]

What's up with these crazy conspiracy theories?:/
That's the problem with these things, once people see them enough times they start believing them to be true.


It's no conspiracy theory, It's more like watching a slow motion crash test, imagine one of the two cars being the developers and the other car the community. Slow Motion Crash Test - YouTube

[VampireCrono]

i can understand voting with your wallet but the more people that stop paying, the less attention SOE will give this game. i understand that the flow of content is too slow for a lot of people but why would a company be inspired to create content for a game when the money coming in doesn't pay for the man hours?

i usually have 2 or 3 games on the side when i get burned out on planetside and it helps out a lot. i still believe that planetside is one of the best shooters out there and frankly, the devs are some of the best i have encountered. you don't see DICE holding information sessions and releasing youtube videos on the progress of the game

[Natir]

i can understand voting with your wallet but the more people that stop paying, the less attention SOE will give this game. i understand that the flow of content is too slow for a lot of people but why would a company be inspired to create content for a game when the money coming in doesn't pay for the man hours?

That is what happens when you design a flawed game from the start. Sadly, PS2 is a flawed game and has been from the start. In order to really "fix" the game, you would need to start from scratch in a lot of areas. That will take a while. From what I have heard, they are doing it. But again, it will take time. Like completely reworking the continents for better flow since they were not designed with lattice in mind. Reworking of the resource system, etc.

i usually have 2 or 3 games on the side when i get burned out on planetside and it helps out a lot. i still believe that planetside is one of the best shooters out there and frankly, the devs are some of the best i have encountered. you don't see DICE holding information sessions and releasing youtube videos on the progress of the game

You don't see DICE holding information sessions and releasing YouTube videos of their progress because they don't have to. DICE has been making FPS games for a while and their devs know what they are doing. You won't see random and uncalled for balance changes like in Planetside 2. And frankly, PS2 is a sub-par shooter by any means. Its gotten better but it will be a while before it gets to the smoothness and feel of other shooter games. You also have to take into account the SOE devs typically are not your devs who have pumped out shooter after shooter. I can respect that.

I for one do not like the aspect of knowing every dev and what exactly they do. Frankly, I do not want to know the devs and I do not want to be able to put a face to who does what in the game. Like half the horrible weapon balancing with no explanation is the direct result of Joshua Sanchez. I am all for random balance changes, I just want to know why that developer felt the need for those changes. Like the changes back in December, there was literally no explanation and it nerfed so many weapons. I mean, you could also see that the weapons that were nerfed were the ones that were used the most and the ones used the least got buffed. This happened a lot though. Kind of sad, really. A company should not be balancing weapons based off of what people buy but what really needs to be balanced.

On the topic of SOE showing the progress they are making is because they HALTED all new content. This is one of the only companies I have heard of literally halting all new content to do optimizations that they said they were going to do since day one. The game is still riddled with bugs and some of these bugs have been around since tech test over a year ago (the mana turret hitting an invisible wall). If they didn't tell you what was going on, people would think SOE just abandoned the game. At the same time, half the stuff they talk about I could care less about and I am sure a good portion of the playerbase doesn't care either. They just want those optimizations to be done and the new content to start up again.

You know what though, outside of all the halting of new content, they sure are able to put in all sorts of new cash shop items... From a consumer standpoint, that tends to look bad as they are not releasing any new content but they are releasing stuff for you to spend money on. The reason why this bugs me is because they said every developer was working on optimizations, even the artists.

Best thing about the optimizations was that is revealed the same day Sony released the date for the PS4. Coincidence? Ha... You realize the game pry couldn't even run on the PS4 hardware or if it did, ran like garbage and when it comes to the console, they take priority over PC users. I don't really call this a conspiracy theory as it is more than likely fact. They had a whole different team from Sony working on the core aspects of the engine. I mean, an engine that was marketed as a "next gen" MMO engine that doesn't even have multicore support in my eyes is a joke. If people think the main reason they did the optimizations was for the PC users, I really do not know what to say.

Most of us didn't worry about optimizations during beta because we all figured it would be fixed. Game launched, we all cried for optimizations due to how poorly the game ran. Smed, Higby, etc kept saying the next patch will be the big optimization patch but it never came. What do you have now? Continents where they greatly lowered the player cap. If SOE cared about the PC users and their optimizations were in fact directed at the PC users, they would have made that priority number one after release, not getting it done almost a year later. Hopefully these optimizations will be worth it and there won't be tons of bugs once it is released to live. If it does have a bunch of bugs, I can see that being a lot of people's last straw after waiting this long.

[KesTro]

Yeah but you're forgetting about everything else the community cried about. There was a lot of QQ to sort through and still is.

[Meatball Mobeus]

I canceled my sub a week or so ago. I just lost my patience. When they've shown that they truly have learned from their mistakes, and shown that they have not only improved the game, but as a team. I'll consider resubbing.

But until then, not a snowballs chance in hell.

[Jax Blake]

I'd up vote all of Natir's post if I could. They captured me for a second 6 months back in July because I didn't get a notice that it was going to be applied again. I know of a number of people who have stopped subscribing and that number keeps getting larger.

[maradine]

Still happily playing, not resubscribing. Letting dollars (by far my most potent weapons) speak for selves.

[diLLa]

Subscribed for 6 months 5 weeks ago. Haven't been able to play for 4 weeks now, cause SOE is blocking off my IP for no reason. So yeah, paid 50 euros or something, and they are keeping me out, biggest waste of money ever....

[SolLeks]

I plan on letting my sub lapse as well, at least until they show me a reason to support them again.

[Boildown]

I'm letting my years subscription come to an end, then no more money is going into this game. It's still loads of fun but I've got what I need now and supported the game. Time for them to support us back and add the meta game, new continent, and improve base designs/remove spawn camping. Chop chop SOE! :)

I'm looking forward to the optimisations too.

Same for me. Once I get my 500 station cash in November, I'll be on my last month, and I'm cancelling my year-long sub. I'll go free to play after that and I'll probably buy Station Cash, a large chunk of it, if they do another triple station cash deal these holidays. But that's it. I'll be able to spend that station cash on EQ Next or PS2 if PS2 gets better. But the game doesn't seem worth paying for any more, and I'm looking forward to Star Citizen Dogfighting Module way more than I am for the nearly-forgotten ESF revamp or Hossin or whatever else they're supposed to add.

[Bocheezu]

I fired it up for the first time in 4 months yesterday, and I only played about 20 mins total. Another 3-way Allatum biofarm, which is the same biofarm it's always been. I know I'm rusty as hell, finished 13/11, but I got 3-shot more in 20 minutes than I have in entire evenings before; I don't know if they're even banning hackers anymore. Game just seems like a wasteland and population is way down from 4 months ago.

[Natir]

I fired it up for the first time in 4 months yesterday, and I only played about 20 mins total. Another 3-way Allatum biofarm, which is the same biofarm it's always been. I know I'm rusty as hell, finished 13/11, but I got 3-shot more in 20 minutes than I have in entire evenings before; I don't know if they're even banning hackers anymore. Game just seems like a wasteland and population is way down from 4 months ago.

Dude, there absolutely 0 hackers still in Planetside... John Smedley personally took care of all of them and found out where they all lived and put an end to it. Didn't you read his tweets from almost a year ago?

[johnukguy]

Dude, there absolutely 0 hackers still in Planetside... John Smedley personally took care of all of them and found out where they all lived and put an end to it. Didn't you read his tweets from almost a year ago?

In fact they haven't been banning hackers for some months now. Hence the present plague of them. The so called optimization patch is a con too. If anyone is honestly expecting a genuine patch in a week's time, I have a bridge to sell you. The game is reaching the point at which it's simply unplayable. As for finding hackers address', I already do that. At least that works in contrast to SOE not giving a damn about them and sitting by while the game becomes a hackfest for script kiddies.

[synkrotron]

Been reading this whole topic over since it was created and it is mighty depressing. I've only recently purchased a six month subsrciption and topped up with some station cash. I'm beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing...

Hopefully, there will still be enough playing this game in the near future to at least see out my subscription. Perhaps they will merge some servers again? I know they have done that in the past, but not while I've been playing.

[ChipMHazard]

Been reading this whole topic over since it was created and it is mighty depressing. I've only recently purchased a six month subsrciption and topped up with some station cash. I'm beginning to wonder if I've done the right thing...

Hopefully, there will still be enough playing this game in the near future to at least see out my subscription. Perhaps they will merge some servers again? I know they have done that in the past, but not while I've been playing.

Well, us PSU forum goers don't represent anything more than a fraction of the playerbase, when it comes to sheer numbers. Just because there might be a lot of us who are no longer subscribing doesn't mean that there aren't still a lot of other people whom are.

[Calista]

Oh I don't know. Smed said once that 10% actually spend money on the game so it wouldn't take much of a hit to get some attention. They should have charged a small "box" fee for this game. It would help keep out the hackers and fix issues like 4th empire. I think the game would be a whole lot better off if they had just charged oh I don't know something like 15-20 bucks as a one time fee.

[kubacheski]

Oh I don't know. Smed said once that 10% actually spend money on the game so it wouldn't take much of a hit to get some attention. They should have charged a small "box" fee for this game. It would help keep out the hackers and fix issues like 4th empire. I think the game would be a whole lot better off if they had just charged oh I don't know something like 15-20 bucks as a one time fee.

Completely agree.

I'd bet even a small charge of $5-$10 would have gone a long way. It puts the investment there for all players and it doesn't end up being a cluster like it is now. Other F2P games typically have an element of AI and your competition is "with" other players for resources or mobs or you're instancing zones and you compete in parallel with other players. The PvP aspects are quite limited in regard to the persistence of the world in most F2P games. Some have PvP servers or zones and typically you voluntarially join PvP. There are some that have gone F2P with PvP being a major component (but I haven't played the one (maybe 2) I'm thinking of), but I'm unsure of how the twink factor is there, now that anyone can join. PlanetSide titles are only PvP and your're competing directly against other players. F2P makes it a free for all for those who don't care about the game, but just want to mess around or don't go with the flow. The 4th faction has the potential to be a huge issue, even if it's having 2 comps at your house and doubling up on players, even if 1 just sits in the WG on whatever planet you're trying to bump population numbers for WDS.

[Phrygen]

The only reason for a high BR to sub is to get more resources.

Its very frustrating

[Varsam]

Lol that's your idea of a tantrum? mkay

It's called criticism. Fanboys need not apply.
Really? Because...
...and of course they never miss any opportunities to throw cheap crap in the overpriced SC store.
But! We were lied to.
I've been a loyal Planetside subscriber for over ten years! Do that math. I've put my money into the system, but I'll not be putting anymore in until I see some major changes on SOE's end. In the meantime I'll play for free and not hold my breath.
...that looks like a whole lot of unnecessary bitching to me. Criticism is constructive, what you're doing is ranting. If you're going to unsub, do it. Don't be a drama queen about it and announce it to the world as if it matters to anyone but you.

[ShadoViper]

Really? Because...



...that looks like a whole lot of unnecessary bitching to me. Criticism is constructive, what you're doing is ranting. If you're going to unsub, do it. Don't be a drama queen about it and announce it to the world as if it matters to anyone but you.

Well... this is rather ironic.

[Meatball Mobeus]

Really? Because...



...that looks like a whole lot of unnecessary bitching to me. Criticism is constructive, what you're doing is ranting. If you're going to unsub, do it. Don't be a drama queen about it and announce it to the world as if it matters to anyone but you.


It matters to the player. It matters to their friends who they use to play with, their outfits, and the overall PlanetSide Community. But most of all it matters the most to SOE.

You didn't just get the OP saying that he was quitting, you got several.

I'm not really sure if the Devs read the posts over here anymore, but if they do. They got some feedback to learn from.

[Taramafor]

Really? Because...



...that looks like a whole lot of unnecessary bitching to me. Criticism is constructive, what you're doing is ranting. If you're going to unsub, do it. Don't be a drama queen about it and announce it to the world as if it matters to anyone but you.

Sooo.... You're bitching about someone elses bitching? :huh:

[Skittles]

Sooo.... You're bitching about someone elses bitching? :huh:

Well, not just that, he's being constructive about his bitching, so its all good.

[CzuukWaterson]

I just saw the new PS4 commercial

this game is headed straight there,we were the beta for the console game LOL

and we goddamn paid them for it,its friggin hilarious

the PC revenue stream is about tapped out,so they move it to console and soak a whole new crop of "players"

Tapped out? They just sent a check for $8000 to a kid for one helmet. Doesn't sound that tapped out to me.

It seems more and more that they continue to release weapons knowing that they are OP and with every intention of nerfing them once they reach market saturation.

[kubacheski]

Tapped out? They just sent a check for $8000 to a kid for one helmet. Doesn't sound that tapped out to me.

It seems more and more that they continue to release weapons knowing that they are OP and with every intention of nerfing them once they reach market saturation.

Now thats a money treadmill.

1. Make OP weapon
2. Get people to buy it
3. Nerf it
4. Make next OP weapon
5. Goto step 1

That beats the hell out of a subscription model. Subs quit when game is unbalanced. Twinks paying for OP weapons will continue forever. And players get paid to model the OP stuff! Now SOE doesnt even have to make their own content. Holy crap, did Higby, T-ray, and crew just work themselves out of a job?

[SgtMAD]

Tapped out? They just sent a check for $8000 to a kid for one helmet. Doesn't sound that tapped out to me.

It seems more and more that they continue to release weapons knowing that they are OP and with every intention of nerfing them once they reach market saturation.

if you think that ppl are spending cash like they did 6 months ago on in-game crap then you aren't really paying attention
server pops are dropping and are only going to get worse between now and the new year due to all the new games being released and once players quit logging in you are going to lose a certain percentage of those ppl forever
some will come back but you will never get enough back to stem the flow of ppl leaving.

I realize that the PSU crowd is a small percentage of the actual playerbase
if you look at outfit attendance numbers,they are falling on all servers.

you can believe anything you want, I have been "observing" SOE for over a decade now and have watched them destroy games before.

I have been subbed since release and I am going to let it lapse next month,I was patient and figured I would support them while they fixed the game but its been a damn year and there are still way too many problems with this game and no end in sight

many of us told SOE all this crap a year ago when they decided to push the release date,the game wasn't ready,it should have had atleast 6 conts and real sanctuaries and much more stable.

there is a trend here and it isn't up.

[CzuukWaterson]

if you think that ppl are spending cash like they did 6 months ago on in-game crap then you aren't really paying attention
server pops are dropping and are only going to get worse between now and the new year due to all the new games being released and once players quit logging in you are going to lose a certain percentage of those ppl forever
some will come back but you will never get enough back to stem the flow of ppl leaving.

I realize that the PSU crowd is a small percentage of the actual playerbase
if you look at outfit attendance numbers,they are falling on all servers.

you can believe anything you want, I have been "observing" SOE for over a decade now and have watched them destroy games before.

I have been subbed since release and I am going to let it lapse next month,I was patient and figured I would support them while they fixed the game but its been a damn year and there are still way too many problems with this game and no end in sight

many of us told SOE all this crap a year ago when they decided to push the release date,the game wasn't ready,it should have had atleast 6 conts and real sanctuaries and much more stable.

there is a trend here and it isn't up.
U mad bro?

They jut opened up servers in Brazil. They've got China. They've got Russians banging down the door to get in.

I think you've got a pretty limited perspective. I'm well aware of the numbers. In America. But we're not the biggest market anymore.

[kubacheski]

U mad bro?

They jut opened up servers in Brazil. They've got China. They've got Russians banging down the door to get in.

I think you've got a pretty limited perspective. I'm well aware of the numbers. In America. But we're not the biggest market anymore.

Too damn true. SOE isnt marketing, nor designing, this game for the PS1 crowd. Its a whole new world and theyre going for fresh meat. MLG and console pups. I'm mad about it, too, but i feel i can bitch and complain as the sold it to us as a PS1 replacement and didnt deliver. Actually the took it a completely different direction. My boss always says "follow the money" and thats what theyre doing. Wouldnt you if you were in SOEs shoes? So can you really blame them. But its shitty they werent up front about it when they sucked all us in during alpha with false promises.

[Skittles]

U mad bro?

They jut opened up servers in Brazil. They've got China. They've got Russians banging down the door to get in.

I think you've got a pretty limited perspective. I'm well aware of the numbers. In America. But we're not the biggest market anymore.

U mad bro?

You acknowledge dwindling numbers in America like its a positive thing. The fact they're dropping players so rapidly is some how a good thing, regardless of location? I may be a little behind on my school smarts, but if memory serves me right Brazil isn't exactly a hugely populated country of excessive wealth playing internet games compared to North America. Maybe theres a lot more disposable wealth there I was aware of. Enlighten us. China I will give you.


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@Kubacheski

When, where or why would you have ever been "sucked in" after alpha to believe that PS2 was EVER going to be anything like PS1? It was evident in every aspect it was never going to be anything like PS1. Any sucking in people did was on them to sub, pay for SC or anything else in a belief PS2 would ever be like PS1.

Those that put money towards PS2 because they liked PS2 is fine. But, if you or anyone put money forward thinking at some point PS2 would be like PS1 then that is on them for being naïve or uninformed.

[CzuukWaterson]

U mad bro?

You acknowledge dwindling numbers in America like its a positive thing. The fact they're dropping players so rapidly is some how a good thing, regardless of location? I may be a little behind on my school smarts, but if memory serves me right Brazil isn't exactly a hugely populated country of excessive wealth playing internet games compared to North America. Maybe theres a lot more disposable wealth there I was aware of. Enlighten us. China I will give you.


I have no clue how to multi-quote so
@Kubacheski

When, where or why would you have ever been "sucked in" after alpha to believe that PS2 was EVER going to be anything like PS1? It was evident in every aspect it was never going to be anything like PS1. Any sucking in people did was on them to sub, pay for SC or anything else in a belief PS2 would ever be like PS1.

Those that put money towards PS2 because they liked PS2 is fine. But, if you or anyone put money forward thinking at some point PS2 would be like PS1 then that is on them for being naïve or uninformed.

Not even remotely. Enlightened. I presented three examples that illustrate the global marketing strategy. That's just the start.

The problem in America isn't with overal numbers, it's retention. There are plenty of new players coming in every day.

Thing is, you don't have to retain players with a free to play business model so long as they drop a nice chunk of change up front. Ultimately, given the instant gratification seeking trends of the new generation of American gamers, it's probably not a good business model to seek to retain players anyway.

[kubacheski]

U mad bro?

You acknowledge dwindling numbers in America like its a positive thing. The fact they're dropping players so rapidly is some how a good thing, regardless of location? I may be a little behind on my school smarts, but if memory serves me right Brazil isn't exactly a hugely populated country of excessive wealth playing internet games compared to North America. Maybe theres a lot more disposable wealth there I was aware of. Enlighten us. China I will give you.


I have no clue how to multi-quote so
@Kubacheski

When, where or why would you have ever been "sucked in" after alpha to believe that PS2 was EVER going to be anything like PS1? It was evident in every aspect it was never going to be anything like PS1. Any sucking in people did was on them to sub, pay for SC or anything else in a belief PS2 would ever be like PS1.

Those that put money towards PS2 because they liked PS2 is fine. But, if you or anyone put money forward thinking at some point PS2 would be like PS1 then that is on them for being naïve or uninformed.

naïve or uninformed, huh? how bout around Fan Faire 2011 when they were touting it as the next Planetside? How about the PCGamer mag story where they gave away beta keys? How about when T-ray said its Planetside on crack? Those times?

How about even further back when it was called PS:Next and they were just doing a graphics update - (couldn't get more PS1 than PS1 with a facelift - why do you think T-Ray is back on the team)? Then ForgeLight came into play and they were going to clone PS1 on it. Or at the developers panel when they talked of their "Planetside Moments" that they were going to carry forward into PS2?

Those times when SOE directly stated or insinuated that PS2 was going to be bigger and better than PS1? Yea i remember those times.

It was always going to be like PS1 up until they found they couldn't fucking do it and lightning wouldn't strike twice for them. PS1 was ahead of it's time and PS2 is behind it's time.

They've done what they can with it, but damn man, it's not a sequel to PS1 like they told everyone it was going to be. It doesn't even deserve the Planetside moniker as it's so divergent from the original. Look at the solutions they're throwing into PS2...they're all from PS1 and they're mechanics that they said that were in the game during internal testing before they tried other things (hex vs lattice being the prime example).

But no, I've not dropped any cash other than the PCGamer mag. I'm a cynic and haven't given SOE the benfit of the doubt since CoreCombat when they fucked up PS1. So yea, some of us have a chip on our shoulder. Knock it off, i fucking dare ya. ;)