PS Code of Honor Pact

[Death2All]

I made one of these last year when PS1 went F2P. Decided I'd type one up again.

In a little less than two weeks (from my time of writing this) PS1 will be going F2P. Regrettably, this may be one of the last times we'll ever play PS1 again. It is with that thought in mind that I would like these last few days to be as enjoyable as possible.

This is, obviously, a voluntary list of mostly general guidelines that I personally feel players could follow to make the game more enjoyable as a whole and cease in detracting players from the game. In no particular order of importance, refrain from the following:

1. Ceasing to let fights develop/ending fights too early
This has always been a problem with PS, even in it's zenith. There is a "I HAVE TO WIN" mentality that haunts this game. Players will often times go out of there way to end a fight as quickly as they possibly can (I.E. blowing the gen at a base as soon as they arrive). Some may argue that the defenders should do a better job and keeping the opposition away from the gen, but sometimes that isn't the case.

For the sake of longer lasting battles, please refrain from blowing the gen unless it is absolutely necessary. Personally, I don't feel it's ever necessary to blow the gen, but at the very least, let a fight develop over some time. There's no need to ruin everyone else's fun.

2. Use of lame weapons/vehicles

Perhaps one of the more controversial and subjective rules on the list. Although, I don't think it will be an issue seeing as the last time I checked, Core Combat wasn't working.

Essentially refrain from using Flails, and possibly excessive amounts of Plasma/Thumpers.

I think it's pretty much universally agreed upon that Flails are lame and don't add much enjoyment to the game. Plasma/Thumpers on the other hand, are a little more tricky. I think that it's fine to use them when the time calls for it, for suppressing an area and keeping the enemy held back from pushing up. Unfortunately, more often than not, people Thumper/Plasma spam when the advantage is hugely in their favor and only do it as a means to be an asshole.

Use your best judgement. When in doubt, don't spam.

3. General douchebag behavior

I think this is one of the more obvious ones.

We're all playing this game together, let's try not to be dicks to each other, shall we? Avoid necessary flaming, TK wars, TKing in general. I know it's hypocritical of myself to suggest such a rule since I had a reputation in game as being sort of a dick, but the time's have changed.

4. Abuse of exploits/bugs

This one can kind of fall under general douchebag behavior, but I decide to single this specific aspect out especially.

Last year, mysteriously as the game went F2P, a bug arose that caused the Wasp to do insane amounts of damage to armor and MAXs. At first, only a few people knew of it. Quickly, word got out and suddenly a large amount of people were all flying around, instagibbing players. As a result, this caused the already miniscule and dwindling population to only further fade away.

In essence, please do not abuse any bugs that are gaming ruining such as this. If it weren't very players abusing this bug, the population wouldn't have dwindled so quickly. There is a lot of debate of what an exploit is. A lot of people consider "warping" to be an exploit, but that's something that really can't be helped as a completely new player to game could start playing, strafe his keys at certain speed and begin to warp on people.

I consider abusing a bug or exploit something that you purposely go out of your way to do, so that you may obtain an advantage over another player. Abusing glitches, router bugs, etc. are all detrimental to the game and only serve to do irritate and detract players from the game. There were a lot of people who took advantage of the Wasp. Please, don't do be a dickhead.

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I understand that some people will probably read this and do the exact opposite just in spite of it being suggested, and that's fine. But I would like to encourage as many people as possible to follow through with this list and just try and make the game as enjoyable and frustration free as we possibly can.

I typed this up somewhat tired late at night (it probably shows) so it's not the most thought out post I've ever made. If you have any suggestions (problems/confusion with some rules, ideas for additions to the list, etc.) feel free to post and I'll update the list.

Thanks, I'll see you in game.

[SgtMAD]

alright, you idiots are losing your friggin minds now.

you all have these big dreams for PS but no one is going to play, I was actually logged in when they pulled the plug on the last free time and there wasn't anyone else logged in and it had been that way for the last couple of months.

30 days after this game f2p the server will be a ghost town again and all these silly rules wont mean shit

[BeatCrazed]

Bedzike damn, that's way too harsh. He's kinda being an asshole but you're standing right on the event horizon.

SgtMAD: Eh, we'll see. I'm really hoping that you're wrong about this but if you are right then I won't hold it against you. Also, I wouldn't really call any of these rules silly, would you care to elaborate on what you find silly about them?

[ChipMHazard]

That escalated fast.

Mad, I don't care if you like PS1 or not. Other people do, so perhaps it might be a good idea not to insult them for no reason?

[Calista]

Last time I played there were 2 noobs messing around in a base doing things like shooting at the NTU silo and sniping the wall turrets, blowing gens with punishers etc. I kept killing them and then they logged off. I don't know if they ever came back but I felt bad for possibly running off 1/3 of the TR population that night :lol: It's a fine line being an experienced player and deciding whether or not to just let the noobs go and keep them around or shoot them.

[Skittles]

I don't know what you people are thinking is going to happen here, but I sure hope you become a little more realistic with what, WILL happen. As to what you, HOPE, will happen.

And, that goes for ALL aspects of the game. From, how you hope those that log in will play. To the actuality of how many, WILL log into play. Without this going on Steam nothing significant is going to occur beyond you logging in and visiting empty places that you hold in your hearts for fights that occurred years ago.

Think of this as a veterans re-visiting Normandy, Cassino, Sicily, Truk. A lot of lost friends, enemies and emotions in an open empty backdrop really. SOE simply opening up the game to F2P means jackdiddlysquat. SOE porting the game to Steam F2P access with some advertising = success to some extent. But, to be realistic. None of what I just posted will happen but nostalgia for those that take the time to d/l and log on. Which will be very, very small. I'd even say the over/under will be less then 100 people.

[Calista]

It's not going to be on Steam?

[Baneblade]

If they dont even fix the new bugs (that have no legitimate reason to exist), it won't matter if SOE doesn't even try to advertise the game again. They didn't last time either.

[bedzike]

they are going to fix it or else it would of been f2p sooner. they cant put their name on something that has game breaking problems... who are we kidding ps2 has game breaking crashes still. but I believe they had some1 fix it we won't know until the 16th so one that day lets meet cyssor and test the wasp, and striker on solsar.

[Mightymouser]

I don't think the pushed back date has anything to do with PS1; they moved the date for all the SOE All Access Program changes. I highly doubt they made such a drastic schedule change because they want to fix a few bugs in PS1...

[kubacheski]

I don't think the pushed back date has anything to do with PS1; they moved the date for all the SOE All Access Program changes. I highly doubt they made such a drastic schedule change because they want to fix a few bugs in PS1...

I gotta agree with mouser on this one. The changes aren't necessarially for the PS1 code so much as the subscription/authentication servers.

As for how the population turns out, we'll have to wait and see. during the free months I really only played for the first few days, maybe a week. Then after realizing that any time I spent on it would go *poof* in such a short time I'd stop.

I am curious to see the populations when it does go F2P. It's just almost impossible to say what will happen. I mean there's really 2 major factors
1) Graphics too dated so people overlook the fun of gameplay.
2) Gameplay too good so people can overlook the dated graphics.

pop goes up or down based on those 2. (I throw bugs and hackers into the gameplay factor as those are negatives to the superior gameplay over PS2)

[Mightymouser]

I am curious to see the populations when it does go F2P. It's just almost impossible to say what will happen. I mean there's really 2 major factors
1) Graphics too dated so people overlook the fun of gameplay.
2) Gameplay too good so people can overlook the dated graphics.


TBH, I think the main factor will be whether we ever reach the critical mass of players needed to make the game generally fun. Hardcore vets with outfitmates to play with can have fun with 100 people on the server, but in order to be fun enough to attract and keep new players we'll need a quite a few more players.

That was the problem on the last round of f2p, we never got enough players ingame that new players found it fun to play, people just trickled in a few at a time and left when they realized the pops weren't high enough to sustain good fights.

Yogi Berra once said: "Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded." What we have here is a chance for the opposite problem; not enough people want to play because not enough people want to play...

[kubacheski]

... not enough people want to play because not enough people want to play...

Thats quite a catch 22. But I suppose it is THE problem in a game where the only real content is other players.

[Minigun]

I think more emphasis should be put on telling people when to play, as opposed to how to play. Of course people will not fill the server during off hours but perhaps the community could set up peak times on specific days.

Nostalgia Tuesday anyone?

[Atheosim]

How many players can Gemini actually handle at once? Like 3 pop locks maybe? Anyone have numbers? I wonder if they would need to open another server if they put this on steam.

[Death2All]

How many players can Gemini actually handle at once? Like 3 pop locks maybe? Anyone have numbers? I wonder if they would need to open another server if they put this on steam.

A pop lock is 133 players per empire, per continent. I seriously doubt it would get that much of an influx of players, were it go on Steam.

Two summers ago, when they gave away a free month on the games anniversary since PS2 was coming out that year, there was a huge influx of players for that. A ton of old PS1 players came back and a shit ton of PS2 people started playing. I believe there were 2 pop locks at one time.

The server was definitely struggling to keep up. Players were phasing in and out. It couldn't render everyone at once. I hadn't lagged in that game in years, and even I was dropping into the red FPS.

It was neat to see large fights in the game again though.

[Furber]

Two summers ago, when they gave away a free month on the games anniversary since PS2 was coming out that year, there was a huge influx of players for that. A ton of old PS1 players came back and a shit ton of PS2 people started playing. I believe there were 2 pop locks at one time.


http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/124265650-4.jpg
Make that 4 poplocks! And iirc they had increased the amount of players necessary for each poplock, probably to around 200 positions per empire.

[Babyfark McGeez]

The free month was due to their cockup with the PSN system. :p

I remember that because i had a PS3 at that time and when i found out this works for Planetside i used all my accounts one after the other and could play for like 4 or 5 months. Unfortunately i couldn't remember my "main" Planetside account and that's why i'm "only" BR17 now (good enough though).

[GodlessHeretic]

I made one of these last year when PS1 went F2P. Decided I'd type one up again.

In a little less than two weeks (from my time of writing this) PS1 will be going F2P. Regrettably, this may be one of the last times we'll ever play PS1 again. It is with that thought in mind that I would like these last few days to be as enjoyable as possible.

This is, obviously, a voluntary list of mostly general guidelines that I personally feel players could follow to make the game more enjoyable as a whole and cease in detracting players from the game. In no particular order of importance, refrain from the following:

1. Ceasing to let fights develop/ending fights too early
This has always been a problem with PS, even in it's zenith. There is a "I HAVE TO WIN" mentality that haunts this game. Players will often times go out of there way to end a fight as quickly as they possibly can (I.E. blowing the gen at a base as soon as they arrive). Some may argue that the defenders should do a better job and keeping the opposition away from the gen, but sometimes that isn't the case.

For the sake of longer lasting battles, please refrain from blowing the gen unless it is absolutely necessary. Personally, I don't feel it's ever necessary to blow the gen, but at the very least, let a fight develop over some time. There's no need to ruin everyone else's fun.

2. Use of lame weapons/vehicles

Perhaps one of the more controversial and subjective rules on the list. Although, I don't think it will be an issue seeing as the last time I checked, Core Combat wasn't working.

Essentially refrain from using Flails, and possibly excessive amounts of Plasma/Thumpers.

I think it's pretty much universally agreed upon that Flails are lame and don't add much enjoyment to the game. Plasma/Thumpers on the other hand, are a little more tricky. I think that it's fine to use them when the time calls for it, for suppressing an area and keeping the enemy held back from pushing up. Unfortunately, more often than not, people Thumper/Plasma spam when the advantage is hugely in their favor and only do it as a means to be an asshole.

Use your best judgement. When in doubt, don't spam.

3. General douchebag behavior

I think this is one of the more obvious ones.

We're all playing this game together, let's try not to be dicks to each other, shall we? Avoid necessary flaming, TK wars, TKing in general. I know it's hypocritical of myself to suggest such a rule since I had a reputation in game as being sort of a dick, but the time's have changed.

4. Abuse of exploits/bugs

This one can kind of fall under general douchebag behavior, but I decide to single this specific aspect out especially.

Last year, mysteriously as the game went F2P, a bug arose that caused the Wasp to do insane amounts of damage to armor and MAXs. At first, only a few people knew of it. Quickly, word got out and suddenly a large amount of people were all flying around, instagibbing players. As a result, this caused the already miniscule and dwindling population to only further fade away.

In essence, please do not abuse any bugs that are gaming ruining such as this. If it weren't very players abusing this bug, the population wouldn't have dwindled so quickly. There is a lot of debate of what an exploit is. A lot of people consider "warping" to be an exploit, but that's something that really can't be helped as a completely new player to game could start playing, strafe his keys at certain speed and begin to warp on people.

I consider abusing a bug or exploit something that you purposely go out of your way to do, so that you may obtain an advantage over another player. Abusing glitches, router bugs, etc. are all detrimental to the game and only serve to do irritate and detract players from the game. There were a lot of people who took advantage of the Wasp. Please, don't do be a dickhead.

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I understand that some people will probably read this and do the exact opposite just in spite of it being suggested, and that's fine. But I would like to encourage as many people as possible to follow through with this list and just try and make the game as enjoyable and frustration free as we possibly can.

I typed this up somewhat tired late at night (it probably shows) so it's not the most thought out post I've ever made. If you have any suggestions (problems/confusion with some rules, ideas for additions to the list, etc.) feel free to post and I'll update the list.

Thanks, I'll see you in game.

I had a giant wall of text in response to this, but i lost it. I'll sum it up for you though:

NO. To all of this. Chivalry is dead in Planetside. Play the game as it is, or go play something else.

[Mightymouser]

Play the game as it is, or go play something else.
I think D2A's point is exactly this; we're trying to keep people from going to play something else... Since we can't rely on the dev's to alter the game mechanics to prevent lameass gameplay, we have to police ourselves...

Yes, chivalry is dead; you can be ass big a douche-bag asshat as you want, but if PS1's few remaining players choose to do so, they'll shortly be playing with themselves.

[Death2All]

NO. To all of this. Chivalry is dead in Planetside. Play the game as it is, or go play something else.

It's exactly that kind of rationale that killed off the player-base last year. Instead of avoiding use of the Wasp, players purposely went out of their way to use and abuse it, pissing off what little population was left of the game and inevitably turning it into a ghost town once again.

Mouser said it well:

...Since we can't rely on the dev's to alter the game mechanics to prevent lameass gameplay, we have to police ourselves...

Yes, chivalry is dead; you can be ass big a douche-bag asshat as you want, but if PS1's few remaining players choose to do so, they'll shortly be playing with themselves.

As I said in the OP, I don't expect this list to deter players from going about playing like douchebags. On the contrary, it might entice players to do otherwise. My hope however, is that it will sway enough players to at least take part in some of the points on this list and uphold some crude level of "honor" in the game and that those incidents where people are being unruly are few and far between so that they don't drive away any of the population.

Everyone coming back to this game in April obviously wants to play it and presumably wants it to last. That "I'll play however I feel like!" business won't fly. There's few enough players coming back as it is; You'll have to be accommodating for them if expect them to stay around.

Of course, nothing is stopping you from playing however you want. But don't expect people to stick around when you purposely go out of your way to ruin the game for them.

[Minigun]

I highly doubt the people you speak of trying to ruin the game for others actively view this thread or even visit this forum anymore. They've found newer games to grief people with.

Honestly if someone takes the trouble to download a 10 year old game just to bother the little community is left, I fear more for their pathetic miserable lonely life than planetside dying forever.

[GodlessHeretic]

I had a giant wall of text in response, but then i realized something...

Your argument is invalid. Also, i just don't care anymore.

[Hehateme]

With all the people posting here, and no mass email going out, I expect a total of 30 people to log on and try the game. I'll be there and I hope I'm wrong, but kind of doubt it.

I'm also not entirely convinced that on April 1st they won't say "April fools" and shut servers down forever.

[Mightymouser]

I had a giant wall of text in response to this, but i lost it. I'll sum it up for you though...

I had a giant wall of text in response, but..

You're either really bad at using internet forums, or you're somehow vastly over-estimating the effectiveness of claiming to have written out a "wall of text" without actually showing any pretense of an actual rebuttal...

[SgtMAD]

what kind of rebuttal are you looking for?

the idea of a PS "Code of Honor" has been rehashed and tried for over a damn decade,
Mouser,you know that and I would think that D2A has seen them before in the old PS forum.

Godless is making the point that it doesn't really matter how much you write about all this and it is as pointless as the original idea.

shit,remember the funeral that got bombed,that was a huge clusterfuck LOL

[Mightymouser]

Yea I do remember the funeral bombing Mad, and I also remember the near universal outcry from the community towards it. That was the point for many in the PS1 community where Buzzcut and the Enclave lost all respect and were shown for the attention whore, asshat, egomaniacal twats they are...

Actually, now that you bring it up, I think that incident is a good analogy for this thread too...

The guys who organized that funeral were not attempting to invoke a moment of silence and serenity upon the battle field of Auraxis, they weren't trying to lay down a requirement for all players to have a sense of eHonour and show deference to their fallen comrade. They were instead having a service for a dear friend who had deeply enjoyed the game and spent a great deal of time playing it with them. They were choosing to honor his memory in a fashion they felt appropriate to commemorate the time they'd spent together.

The organizers did not attempt to insist anyone show up, or that the dev's halt all activity, or in any way impede anyone else's ability to play the game; they were simply setting up a service to honor their friend. Buzzcut and his twat friends took objection to that and decided to bomb it for laughs, and to show they could, and in doing so did a great disservice to their fellow players and marked themselves as total and complete jackasses.


Similarly, D2A's proposing a Code of Honor here that is "obviously, a voluntary list of mostly general guidelines". He is in no way insisting that people follow this list, nor is he trying to enforce it in any way. The point he is making is that there are things players can do in PS1 which in general make the game less enjoyable to play for others, and that if players keep doing that the populations will quickly plummet, because it won't be fun to play the game against asshats.

Godless' response of "Play the game as it is, or go play something else." Is exactly the mentality that D2A is pointing out is destructive to the game. That idea that players should consider only their own fun, and not give two fucks about anyone elses'... Obviously (as D2A points out), anyone can choose to take that view, but they do so at the peril of the game they're deriving their own fun from...


As to what kind of rebuttal I'm looking for, I'm not necessarily looking for any rebuttal, but Godless' repeated references to his walls of text would imply he has one and is just cagily refusing to share it with us...

[GodlessHeretic]

Fine. Here's your wall of text. I can't say i didn't try...

Yea I do remember the funeral bombing Mad, and I also remember the near universal outcry from the community towards it. That was the point for many in the PS1 community where Buzzcut and the Enclave lost all respect and were shown for the attention whore, asshat, egomaniacal twats they are...

Oh yea...i'm sure your collective QQing totally stopped them in their tracks...OH WAIT. They never wanted or needed your respect or acceptance. That's why they did what they did. That, and it was probably the most hilarious shit ever to them. Trolls have an odd sense of humor.

Actually, now that you bring it up, I think that incident is a good analogy for this thread too...

The guys who organized that funeral were not attempting to invoke a moment of silence and serenity upon the battle field of Auraxis, they weren't trying to lay down a requirement for all players to have a sense of eHonour and show deference to their fallen comrade. They were instead having a service for a dear friend who had deeply enjoyed the game and spent a great deal of time playing it with them. They were choosing to honor his memory in a fashion they felt appropriate to commemorate the time they'd spent together.

The organizers did not attempt to insist anyone show up, or that the dev's halt all activity, or in any way impede anyone else's ability to play the game; they were simply setting up a service to honor their friend. Buzzcut and his twat friends took objection to that and decided to bomb it for laughs, and to show they could, and in doing so did a great disservice to their fellow players and marked themselves as total and complete jackasses.

All of this could've been avoided if they'd just done their stupid-ass "funeral" in a Warpgate or something...

Better yet, they could've gone to his ACTUAL funeral like oh i dunno...real people? GAMES ARE SUPER CERAL GAIS! Anyhow, the only way the instance you describe and this argument are the same is this: A statment was made. In my case, its something along the lines of...

None of you have any actual authority to enforce the rules that were stated, so why bother in the first place? Why give even a single fuck? What that answer is, i can't say for certain. All I can say for sure is that i don't agree with it. If i have to delve any deeper than that, then i'm going to get irritated.

Similarly, D2A's proposing a Code of Honor here that is "obviously, a voluntary list of mostly general guidelines". He is in no way insisting that people follow this list, nor is he trying to enforce it in any way.

He insisting on something. Otherwise, he wouldn't have bothered. As are you, since you bothered me. This list of "guidelines" sounds like something that should be taken up with an outfit or clan. Not tossed on here like you've got the balls and brains to make it stick.

The point he is making is that there are things players can do in PS1 which in general make the game less enjoyable to play for others, and that if players keep doing that the populations will quickly plummet, because it won't be fun to play the game against asshats.

You must've been playing another game for the last decade or something. You do know that we're talking about Planetside...right? The game's entire existence revolves around ruining someone else's day. IT'S A WAR GAME. The only objective of war to walk away from it intact, more or less.

The End.

Godless' response of "Play the game as it is, or go play something else." Is exactly the mentality that D2A is pointing out is destructive to the game. That idea that players should consider only their own fun, and not give two fucks about anyone elses'... Obviously (as D2A points out), anyone can choose to take that view, but they do so at the peril of the game they're deriving their own fun from...

First off, fuck you for being a passive aggressive weiner. Secondly, there are varying "guidlines" in the escalation of battle. Most of which are murky at best. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst. Your team is counting on you to SUCCEED. Not make excuses or whine. More than anything else, people like to "win". This isn't to say that exploits and hacking are acceptable, but if my crew needs me to blow a generator, pull a MAX, Flail an enemy courtyard, etc. then i'm going to do it. It's your job to figure out how to stop me and vice-versa.

As to what kind of rebuttal I'm looking for, I'm not necessarily looking for any rebuttal, but Godless' repeated references to his walls of text would imply he has one and is just cagily refusing to share it with us...

There. The first of many here. You and D2A have made my shit-list. A mistake on your part. SgtMAD can attest to this...assuming he cares at all. My guess is he's waiting for his popcorn in the microwave.

[Crator]

Welp, sounds like PS1 is still doomed. Oh well...

[ChipMHazard]

Just a reminder. If people find it impossible to behave with even a modicum of civility then I will close this thread down.
You are free to disagree with each other as mucn as you like. However, stop making it personal.

[Mightymouser]

Fine. Here's your wall of text. I can't say i didn't try...

Oh yea...i'm sure your collective QQing totally stopped them in their tracks...OH WAIT. They never wanted or needed your respect or acceptance. That's why they did what they did. That, and it was probably the most hilarious shit ever to them. Trolls have an odd sense of humor.


I didn't say they stopped, I said it was the point where the majority of the community recognized them as a collection of asshats, and there was a collective outcry against their actions. Which, as it happens, is more important to this discussion. No one here is arguing that there aren't trolls, nor that they can somehow be prevented from trolling. Rather, the objective of this thread from the start was to point out game play elements which are destructive to the game, and to ask those that care about making "the game more enjoyable as a whole" to do their part to keep numbers up by providing fun fights, rather than running players off with cheap tactics.


All of this could've been avoided if they'd just done their stupid-ass "funeral" in a Warpgate or something...

Better yet, they could've gone to his ACTUAL funeral like oh i dunno...real people? GAMES ARE SUPER CERAL GAIS!
The people at that funeral were from around the globe, and attending a funeral in real life wasn't an option (though if memory serves, there were several of the player's outfit mates who did travel to his funeral to pay their respects in person). They also planned to do a few things like OSes, which made doing it in an WG impractical, and (as this was the first PS funeral) there was no precedent for jackasses trying to disrupt it. I doubt the organizers of the service considered that a group of twats would take it upon themselves to fly to an out of the way cont, and an out of the way place on that cont, with the sole intention of being little shits.

This may seem unthinkable to you, since you appear to be the type of asshole nit-wit that doesn't develop real tight friendships, but some of the players playing PS1 had spent hours upon hours with each other, they shared the joys and grief of not only in-game triumphs and losses, but cheered and consoled each other when real life situations arose as well. No, the game isn't super serious, but the relationships that have been built in it can certainly be quite serious. And it is only natural when a dear friend dies to want to mourn them in the way you spent so much time with them.


Anyhow, the only way the instance you describe and this argument are the same is this: A statment was made. In my case, its something along the lines of...

None of you have any actual authority to enforce the rules that were stated, so why bother in the first place? Why give even a single fuck? What that answer is, i can't say for certain. All I can say for sure is that i don't agree with it. If i have to delve any deeper than that, then i'm going to get irritated.


Oh, I think I see the issue here. You're one of the immature dolts who can't fathom a situation where people would work together if there isn't a overriding authority figure forcing them to do so, one of the people with little-to-no moral fiber or integrity who only follows a rule or code because you're afraid of the consequences if you get caught not doing so... Well, this might come as a crazy surprise to you, but not everyone is like that; some people will actually work towards a common good because they recognize the benefit for themselves if the common good prospers.

In this case, the common good is the extended life of PlanetSide 1, and the more players who are playing in a manner similar to the code D2A laid out, the more fun the game will be for everyone and the long the game itself will last. Some people will see that, and work towards that common good, others (like yourself) will not, and will 'play the game, and everyone else can leave'...


He insisting on something. Otherwise, he wouldn't have bothered. As are you, since you bothered me. This list of "guidelines" sounds like something that should be taken up with an outfit or clan. Not tossed on here like you've got the balls and brains to make it stick.

You should try reading a bit closer, as you seemed to have missed a few key points from the first post (and then undoubtedly overlooked them as they've been reiterated time and again):

This is, obviously, a voluntary list of mostly general guidelines that I personally feel players could follow to make the game more enjoyable as a whole and cease in detracting players from the game.


I understand that some people will probably read this and do the exact opposite just in spite of it being suggested, and that's fine. But I would like to encourage as many people as possible to follow through with this list and just try and make the game as enjoyable and frustration free as we possibly can.


The point of this list is to give those who do care about the longevity of the game a place to discuss the things that can be done to make it as fun as possible, and the things that, when done, detract from the game experience as a whole...

You must've been playing another game for the last decade or something. You do know that we're talking about Planetside...right? The game's entire existence revolves around ruining someone else's day. IT'S A WAR GAME. The only objective of war to walk away from it intact, more or less.

I guess we must have been playing another game indeed, because the game I was playing had players TK'ing people who ruined fun fights by dropping the gen. The game I was playing had vast numbers of people complaining very, very, loudly about the CNs 'lame' tactics of using absolutely overwhelming force to overrun fights and destroy all fun (SgtMAD knows something about that, I believe). That the community opposed such 'lame' tactics so aggressively and vocally suggests that (in the game I was playing) there is certainly an understanding that somethings are destructive towards the game as a whole, and it is in the interest of all players that such things aren't done...

Given that such a sizable block of that community existed, it seems perfectly logical to work out what those destructive tactics are and how they can be avoided...



First off, fuck you for being a passive aggressive weiner. Secondly, there are varying "guidlines" in the escalation of battle. Most of which are murky at best. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst. Your team is counting on you to SUCCEED. Not make excuses or whine. More than anything else, people like to "win". This isn't to say that exploits and hacking are acceptable, but if my crew needs me to blow a generator, pull a MAX, Flail an enemy courtyard, etc. then i'm going to do it. It's your job to figure out how to stop me and vice-versa.

I'm not sure passive aggressive means what you think it means, because nothing I said there is passive aggressive at all, in fact quite the opposite, I stated my opinion blatantly and frankly... As for the 'more than anything else people like to win' bit, I'd suggest that is true of only a small minority of players, and I point to the above examples of protests against of gen blowing and CN-style lameness as exhibits of people unhappy with the tactics their own empire uses to win. This is a game after all, and turning pixels colors isn't what's important. It's having fun playing the game that's important.


There. The first of many here. You and D2A have made my shit-list. A mistake on your part. SgtMAD can attest to this...assuming he cares at all. My guess is he's waiting for his popcorn in the microwave.

Words truly fail me, indeed there is not a word known to me in the whole of the English language which adequately encompasses the absolute lack of care on my part as to having been nominated and confirmed as a member of your shit-list.

[Death2All]

Just a reminder. If people find it impossible to behave with even a modicum of civility then I will close this thread down.
You are free to disagree with each other as mucn as you like. However, stop making it personal.

Of all the possible outcomes I anticipated for this thread, I did not expect this sort of brazen, unwarranted hostility.

I'm not sure what exactly it is about this community, but when people have strong feelings towards a matter regarding PlanetSide, they argue it passionately. Some conduct themselves in a responsible manners while others blossom into some sort of indescribable, intolerable ignorance that begets antipathy from everyone else involved.

These were not my intentions when making this thread. I was trying to shine on an issue that plagues the game. I don't think I could have possibly foreseen that reaction that this would have invoked.

It's just such a strange thing to me, this thread. "If you have don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all" should be the theme of this thread. In no way does anything suggested in this list impose upon the apparently afflicted posters here. It is -as mentioned before- an unconstrained, voluntary list of guidelines. If you don't agree with it, then begone with you. But why shit all over the thread whilst contributing nothing to the discussion?

So the point of this all is, instead of locking the entire thread, why not deal with the ones directly responsible for it's demise? It's not fair to blot out an entire idea because the third party reacting to it are babies.

[Hehateme]

To be fair I was attacking someone in defense of another. As for D2A's idea, I personally agree with it. In fact on all my 6 characters I have less than 200 kills while using a max, and less than 50 gen kills.
To be honest though, I do not believe everyone will be willing to play less-lame. A lot of people have the "win at all costs mentality" and that is what makes planetside planetside. Playing lame is a result of people hating being farmed. One empire has 30% pop and is just defending base after base (most fun fight for me and a lot of other people) but the other 70% HATES constantly getting killed so they will pull maxes/blow gens. That's how the game works, it's really annoying yes, but that's how it has been for 10years.
As for exploits (wasps bug/router glitches) that's just super lame imo and should be a bannable offense.
And there is nothing wrong with flail use imo. A flail is planetside's artillery and does a damn good job at that. That being said, I've never used one because sitting in one spot pressing mouse1 is just boring and I would rather not, but it still doesn't make it lame.

[Calista]

I wonder how Batsteg feels about this :lol:

[Baneblade]

The Generator Assassin need not apply.

[Huntsab]

Look if enough people play with the Ehonour suggested and rein in their empire (CR5's) we can have really amazing fights. That means don't global quick all to Dagda if there are only 7 enemy. Sometimes the whole empire turns up and steamrolls the situation resulting with the main fight suffering for your side. Just getting Dagda back might result in you being kicked off the continent of the main fight. Not only does that make it frustrating for the enemy you just steamrolled but it equals boredom for your own empire. The global meta game is affected by your actions, something sadly missing from PS2.

[GodlessHeretic]

Rather, the objective of this thread from the start was to point out game play elements which are destructive to the game, and to ask those that care about making "the game more enjoyable as a whole" to do their part to keep numbers up by providing fun fights, rather than running players off with cheap tactics.

Your concept of what's "destructive" and "enjoyable" to this game is an opinion. One i do not share. If you want a "fun" fight, then take it up someplace else where it or you makes no difference. We wage war on Planetside.

The people at that funeral were from around the globe, and attending a funeral in real life wasn't an option (though if memory serves, there were several of the player's outfit mates who did travel to his funeral to pay their respects in person). They also planned to do a few things like OSes, which made doing it in an WG impractical, and (as this was the first PS funeral) there was no precedent for jackasses trying to disrupt it. I doubt the organizers of the service considered that a group of twats would take it upon themselves to fly to an out of the way cont, and an out of the way place on that cont, with the sole intention of being little shits.

All of this is irrelevant. I have no pity for victims, especially those that somehow expected different.

This may seem unthinkable to you, since you appear to be the type of asshole nit-wit that doesn't develop real tight friendships, but some of the players playing PS1 had spent hours upon hours with each other, they shared the joys and grief of not only in-game triumphs and losses, but cheered and consoled each other when real life situations arose as well. No, the game isn't super serious, but the relationships that have been built in it can certainly be quite serious. And it is only natural when a dear friend dies to want to mourn them in the way you spent so much time with them.

Save your personal attacks for someone who cares. I am not that person. The problem here is what is considered social interaction. Our opinions on this subject differ.

Oh, I think I see the issue here. You're one of the immature dolts who can't fathom a situation where people would work together if there isn't a overriding authority figure forcing them to do so, one of the people with little-to-no moral fiber or integrity who only follows a rule or code because you're afraid of the consequences if you get caught not doing so... Well, this might come as a crazy surprise to you, but not everyone is like that; some people will actually work towards a common good because they recognize the benefit for themselves if the common good prospers.

Again, this matter of opinion that you seem to be hot-blooded and flustered over. Personal attacks just make you look weak and your argument invalid.

In this case, the common good is the extended life of PlanetSide 1, and the more players who are playing in a manner similar to the code D2A laid out, the more fun the game will be for everyone and the long the game itself will last. Some people will see that, and work towards that common good, others (like yourself) will not, and will 'play the game, and everyone else can leave'...

Once again...matter of opinion. Your arrogance is starting to irritate me a bit. You also seem to be completely disregarding parts of my previous post as well. Either that, or you can't read very well.


You should try reading a bit closer, as you seemed to have missed a few key points from the first post (and then undoubtedly overlooked them as they've been reiterated time and again):

I read them. I don't agree with your "guidelines". I also don't agree the reason they were posted in the first place. Just like all other social interactions, this will be determined by numbers. Plain and simple.

The point of this list is to give those who do care about the longevity of the game a place to discuss the things that can be done to make it as fun as possible, and the things that, when done, detract from the game experience as a whole...

Knock it off. You're not saving anything you twit. You have no control over how Planetside dies. No one does except the people that own it.

I guess we must have been playing another game indeed, because the game I was playing had players TK'ing people who ruined fun fights by dropping the gen.

There are a number of reasons to drop a generator. The fact that you seem incapable of pondering why and it's impact else where in the game bothers me. Otherwise, you'd be whining about this alot less.

The game I was playing had vast numbers of people complaining very, very, loudly about the CNs 'lame' tactics of using absolutely overwhelming force to overrun fights and destroy all fun (SgtMAD knows something about that, I believe). That the community opposed such 'lame' tactics so aggressively and vocally suggests that (in the game I was playing) there is certainly an understanding that somethings are destructive towards the game as a whole, and it is in the interest of all players that such things aren't done...

The same thing happened when MARKOV invaded Emerald. Just about everyone worth a shit from all three empires on Markov picked one empire (TR) and steam-rolled. The CN invasion differed little in intent and execution.

Given that such a sizable block of that community existed, it seems perfectly logical to work out what those destructive tactics are and how they can be avoided...

All it did was point out to all of you Planetsides' one actual flaw.

I'm not sure passive aggressive means what you think it means, because nothing I said there is passive aggressive at all, in fact quite the opposite, I stated my opinion blatantly and frankly...

You did state your opinion. Then you also stated that my opinion had the capacity to destroy planetside. You also managed to not actually engage my reponse in any meaningful way either. Ok...i don't know what words mean now...

/facepalm

As for the 'more than anything else people like to win' bit, I'd suggest that is true of only a small minority of players, and I point to the above examples of protests against of gen blowing and CN-style lameness as exhibits of people unhappy with the tactics their own empire uses to win. This is a game after all, and turning pixels colors isn't what's important. It's having fun playing the game that's important.

No one likes being on the ass-end of a ass-kicking they can't avoid. Lame or otherwise. The CN seemed to understand this, and were not interested in letting it happen. They didn't break any rules, or hack the game in any way, they simply played the game. They were more willing to do what it took to make sure their tribe/community had fun playing Planetside. That's how Planetside works. How it has ALWAYS worked. Every bit of fun you derive from it comes at the expense of someone elses. Ally or enemy.

Words truly fail me, indeed there is not a word known to me in the whole of the English language which adequately encompasses the absolute lack of care on my part as to having been nominated and confirmed as a member of your shit-list.

That's what they all say. I'll getcha though. I'm a patient guy.

[GodlessHeretic]

Of all the possible outcomes I anticipated for this thread, I did not expect this sort of brazen, unwarranted hostility.

Then i showed up. Conflict defines us all.

I'm not sure what exactly it is about this community, but when people have strong feelings towards a matter regarding PlanetSide, they argue it passionately. Some conduct themselves in a responsible manners while others blossom into some sort of indescribable, intolerable ignorance that begets antipathy from everyone else involved.

This is why i'm starting to not like you much and why i disagreed with the OP in the first place.

These were not my intentions when making this thread. I was trying to shine on an issue that plagues the game. I don't think I could have possibly foreseen that reaction that this would have invoked.

I'm right here buddy. Take a swing at me.

It's just such a strange thing to me, this thread. "If you have don't have anything nice to say, say nothing at all" should be the theme of this thread. In no way does anything suggested in this list impose upon the apparently afflicted posters here. It is -as mentioned before- an unconstrained, voluntary list of guidelines. If you don't agree with it, then begone with you. But why shit all over the thread whilst contributing nothing to the discussion?

So the point of this all is, instead of locking the entire thread, why not deal with the ones directly responsible for it's demise? It's not fair to blot out an entire idea because the third party reacting to it are babies.

This just makes you look like a hypocrite and invalid. Despite this being called a forum, i'm starting to get the impression not alot of actual debating has been done here. I'd really like to be wrong though and have this just being a few bad apples ruining a bunch.

[Death2All]

This just makes you look like a hypocrite and invalid. Despite this being called a forum, i'm starting to get the impression not alot of actual debating has been done here. I'd really like to be wrong though and have this just being a few bad apples ruining a bunch.

Here in lies the problem. You refrained from posting your actual argument for the longest time(I.E. not debating):


I had a giant wall of text in response to this, but i lost it. I'll sum it up for you though:

NO. To all of this. Chivalry is dead in Planetside. Play the game as it is, or go play something else.


I had a giant wall of text in response, but then i realized something...

Your argument is invalid. Also, i just don't care anymore.


Then when you finally did take part in the discussion, any of your clever attempts to "dismantle" anyones arguments basically resulted in you telling them "no" and and telling them it's their opinion, not explaining why you felt this way:


Your concept of what's "destructive" and "enjoyable" to this game is an opinion.

Why?

Save your personal attacks for someone who cares. I am not that person. The problem here is what is considered social interaction. Our opinions on this subject differ.

How?


Again, this matter of opinion that you seem to be hot-blooded and flustered over. Personal attacks just make you look weak and your argument invalid.

Why?

Once again...matter of opinion. Your arrogance is starting to irritate me a bit. You also seem to be completely disregarding parts of my previous post as well.

:lol:

I think you see a running theme here...



First of all, no shit it's their opinion. When people are arguing a stance on a subject, clearly they have a opinion. There isn't a right or wrong. That's why you argue. And when you disagree with someone you tell them why. You may have the it all considered in your head (to be honest you probably don't)but that just doesn't mean jack shit unless you can articulate it in a way that others can comprehend it and get behind your idea. You seem to believe that having an opinion somehow invalidates someones argument. Well by that logic, that's your opinion and that's invalid!


I'm not sure you understand what a discussion is. You can't just shout no or say someone's argument is invalid and that's the end of it. You have to actually back up your claim with reasons. Also, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have to have the most hostile and demeaning stance possible. You can argue against something in a diplomatic fashion you know.


I've said before, if you don't agree with it then nothing is forcing you to post here. You argue here as if it's a matter of life and death. As if anything on this list would affect you in any way. Nothing is making you have to take part it in. You would be completely unaffected by anything suggested in this thread (Oh my goodness, that kind of sounds like the entire point of this doesn't it?) and the game would go one as it would anyhow. You lingering by simply calling people's arguments "invalid" doesn't do anything. In fact, it makes you lose credibility and makes your arguments invalid. You come off as that child in the playground who is losing a game, quickly changes the rules at the last minute and as soon as anyone protests shouts "no!" until the teachers rush over to change your diaper.


I'll await your "wall of text" in response to this :rolleyes:.

[Mightymouser]

Your concept of what's "destructive" and "enjoyable" to this game is an opinion. One i do not share. If you want a "fun" fight, then take it up someplace else where it or you makes no difference. We wage war on Planetside.

Perhaps you know the old saying: "Everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions, but they are not entitled to their own set of facts." You and I may disagree on what particular tactics are destructive to the game and which are enjoyable, however it is simply a fact that certain tactics were seen by the community at large as unenjoyable and the overuse of those tactics caused people to leave the game. That isn't based on my own opinion of those tactics, it is based on the voiced expression of players leaving the game because of them. We don't merely "wage war" in Planetside, we play a video game for entertainment. If the only objective in this game had was to turn pixels from one color to another we'd all be ghost hacking 24/7.


All of this is irrelevant. I have no pity for victims, especially those that somehow expected different.

I couldn't care less about your pity, nor, I suspect, could the 'victims'. The point of the analogy to the funeral (which MAD brought up) was to draw a parallel to how trolls can ruin gameplay, and my response to it was to note that the community as a whole objected to those trolls. That they (the community) would do so shows that there is indeed a sizable number of players out there who felt there should be a modicum of decorum in the game. This thread is directed at those players, not the trolls who will do as they will regardless.


Save your personal attacks for someone who cares. I am not that person. The problem here is what is considered social interaction. Our opinions on this subject differ.

While I will admit that my impression and description of your personality is unflattering, I mentioned it not as an attack but in order to frame the following sentences, which answered your earlier query as to why the players felt the need to have an in-game funeral for their fallen friend.


Again, this matter of opinion that you seem to be hot-blooded and flustered over. Personal attacks just make you look weak and your argument invalid.

Once again, my (albeit unflattering) description of your personality as I have seen it in this thread serves to frame the context of the following sentences, wherein I describe why (though it would appear to be unimaginable to you) there are many players who would uphold a 'code' for the common good of an extended lifetime for Planetside 1.


Once again...matter of opinion. Your arrogance is starting to irritate me a bit. You also seem to be completely disregarding parts of my previous post as well. Either that, or you can't read very well.

That the common good is the extended life of Planetside 1 is indeed an opinion, as it happens though, it is a common opinion. That is to say, most of the players who played PS1 enjoyed the game and wanted it to live on as long as possible. Many of those players are hoping that it will be playable again shortly, once it goes F2P, and the point of this thread is to see that it remains playable for as long as possible, because that is in the interest of all of us who will be playing. That it is an interest shared by the majority of players would make it a common interest and working towards it would be what one might call the common good.

As to which parts of your post I am completely disregarding; I must say, I don't know what part I may have disregarded, but I can understand your irritation at me having skipped over it, as surely it held the entirely of your meaningful argument (as all the parts I did address seem to have been drivel). Perhaps you'll be so kind as to quote the part of your post I overlooked?


I read them. I don't agree with your "guidelines". I also don't agree the reason they were posted in the first place. Just like all other social interactions, this will be determined by numbers. Plain and simple.

You seemed of have misinterpreted my intent in specifically citing (and emphasizing) the lines I quoted from the OP. I didn't quote the guidelines, nor the reason they were posted. I quoted the lines which stated the guidelines are voluntary and are expected not to be upheld by some, but that if they are upheld by many it will be overall beneficial to the game. There is some undoubtable irony that you would seem to misread both my words and my intent so shortly after criticizing me for having done so...


Knock it off. You're not saving anything you twit. You have no control over how Planetside dies. No one does except the people that own it.

While I, as a solitary player, do not have any control over how Planetside dies, the player-base as a whole does have that power. Afterall, Planetside will likely not die because SOE shuts the servers down, Planetside will die when no one plays it anymore (just as now, while the servers are running, the game is dead). So, once again, the point of this thread is to voice ways the player-base can use the power it has to extend the life of the game.


There are a number of reasons to drop a generator. The fact that you seem incapable of pondering why and it's impact else where in the game bothers me. Otherwise, you'd be whining about this alot less.

Well first of all, I am very well aware of reasons to drop a generator, having done it myself very often during my Planetside career (perhaps it escaped your notice, but it actually features prominently in my signature). What's more, I don't believe I ever whined about it in my post, and certainly not so much as to reach an objectionable level. What I did do was note that the Planetside 1 community as a whole recognized that there were times when the generator was dropped and it ruined an otherwise fun fight, and that those players would frequently show their dismay at having lost that fight by TK'ing the gen dropper. Of course, the intent of me bringing this up was to show a case where (despite your assertion to the contrary) the majority of the playerbase was more interested in a fun fight than winning.


The same thing happened when MARKOV invaded Emerald. Just about everyone worth a shit from all three empires on Markov picked one empire (TR) and steam-rolled. The CN invasion differed little in intent and execution.

I could go into some detail about the motives and actions of the CNs, but as it happens I don't need to, you've posted about it yourself, here (http://www.planetside-universe.com/showthread.php?p=955499#post955499). As you point out in your post, the playstyle of the CNs was just to 'steam-roll entire continents' in campaigns that were fun for neither the enemy (you) nor the players on their same empire (SgtMAD's post following yours). The point, therefore, in bringing it up is to show that there are indeed destructive playstyles, and they are better avoided for the overall well being of the game.


All it did was point out to all of you Planetsides' one actual flaw.

While I don't know that I would go so far as to say this is Planetside's only flaw; I would agree that it is a flaw nevertheless. In a perfect world we would expect that SOE would be able to correct the problems of destructive playstyles, however as I mentioned very early on in this thread, we cannot expect SOE to do anything about it, therefore it is in our interest to work together as a community to see that as many players as possible disavow such destructive playstyles themselves.


You did state your opinion. Then you also stated that my opinion had the capacity to destroy planetside. You also managed to not actually engage my reponse in any meaningful way either. Ok...i don't know what words mean now...

/facepalm

In so far as you offered a response, I certainly engaged it. I stated (openly, and without diversion) that you are certainly entitle to play in whatever fashion you so choose, however if the majority of PS1 players choose to play in such a selfish manner it will be to the detriment of the game overall.


No one likes being on the ass-end of a ass-kicking they can't avoid. Lame or otherwise. The CN seemed to understand this, and were not interested in letting it happen. They didn't break any rules, or hack the game in any way, they simply played the game. They were more willing to do what it took to make sure their tribe/community had fun playing Planetside. That's how Planetside works. How it has ALWAYS worked. Every bit of fun you derive from it comes at the expense of someone elses. Ally or enemy.

I completely disagree with the assertion that every bit of fun derived from Planetside comes at the expense of someone else's. In truth, some of the best fights I ever played in were fights we ultimately lost. The point of the game is to have fun fighting, not mere winning. After all, if all I wanted to do was 'win' I could sub-up right now and spend hours upon hours winning my way across Auraxis with no troublesome enemies trying to fight me. The fun comes from the fight, not merely the outcome, and if a positive outcome comes at the expense of a good fight, the community as a whole would often express their disapproval (see: above references to gen blowing)


That's what they all say. I'll getcha though. I'm a patient guy.
All evidence presented thus far would lead me to believe you will in fact not 'get' me, but I suppose over centuries even a small stream can crack mountains; I must admit though I wouldn't expect it to happen before the Second Coming.

[Minigun]

Oh PSU forums, how I have missed you. popcorn: :lol:

[cHaM]

Wats goin on in here guyz

[SgtMAD]

HaHaHaHa

[Secant]

Mightymouser. Hi. I miss you. All the homo.

Please disregard Godless.

[Taramafor]

Some people play to have fun. Some play to win. Others play to win to have fun. Therefore something like NOT capping a gen as soon as you get to a base is not going to happen a good deal of the time (Let's face it, temptation if nothing else). Especially if the splitting up tactic is applied, where most of the troops keep the main force of the enemy occupied in the main fight yet some are designated to quieter bases to take over to severe enemy supply lines. Some may call it "ghost capping" but if you don't defend a base, it's going to fall, which means all sides must attempt to strike a balance between attack and defense. That's how it works in a real war and that's how it works here.

However, that said, we could perhaps decide on a general area to fight in (perhaps 3-5 bases plus the in between areas) and decide where the borders are to keep the action in a contained area. Provided it's not too small, I imagine that would help with keeping fights constant, and it's even a rule applied in real warfare at times. Of course, you'd have to get all sides to agree to that, which is where the difficulty lies...

[Hehateme]

This thread right here is why planetside was great.
lol drama (c) Ocelli

[GodlessHeretic]

Here in lies the problem. You refrained from posting your actual argument for the longest time(I.E. not debating):

This is probably because i knew this was going to happen...or not. Who knows? It's too late now!

Then when you finally did take part in the discussion, any of your clever attempts to "dismantle" anyones arguments basically resulted in you telling them "no" and and telling them it's their opinion, not explaining why you felt this way:

We have some preliminary stuff to hash out before we can actually argue. The formost being you're an arrogant ass. You need to knock that off.

First of all, no shit it's their opinion. When people are arguing a stance on a subject, clearly they have a opinion. There isn't a right or wrong. That's why you argue. And when you disagree with someone you tell them why. You may have the it all considered in your head (to be honest you probably don't)but that just doesn't mean jack shit unless you can articulate it in a way that others can comprehend it and get behind your idea. You seem to believe that having an opinion somehow invalidates someones argument. Well by that logic, that's your opinion and that's invalid!

Irony. Hilarious irony. Personal attacks based on incorrect assumption make you LEWK KEWL!!!!!@@@!1

I'm not sure you understand what a discussion is. You can't just shout no or say someone's argument is invalid and that's the end of it. You have to actually back up your claim with reasons. Also, just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have to have the most hostile and demeaning stance possible. You can argue against something in a diplomatic fashion you know.

Aggression is aggression. Passive or active, they are two sides of the same coin. You have your way, and i have mine. We'll see who ends up on top.

I've said before, if you don't agree with it then nothing is forcing you to post here.

Nothing forced you to create a set of "guidelines" either, yet you did it.

You argue here as if it's a matter of life and death

No. I'm arguing because i like to pick fights with people like you. That, and i'm just a conflict-oriented person in general. As if that wasn't obvious already.

As if anything on this list would affect you in any way. Nothing is making you have to take part it in. You would be completely unaffected by anything suggested in this thread

It actually would affect me. The scope of which would be impossible for me to tell, but also completely lame.

(Oh my goodness, that kind of sounds like the entire point of this doesn't it?)

If this were true, you would've ignored me from the start. You won't though. Your ego demands satisfaction. It's the only way you'll find the balance to stay on the pedestal you've put yourself on.

You lingering by simply calling people's arguments "invalid" doesn't do anything. In fact, it makes you lose credibility and makes your arguments invalid.

I think it actually has done something. People do the things they do for a reason. You created this thread for a reason. I don't believe that reason is as benign as your attempting to make it look.

You come off as that child in the playground who is losing a game, quickly changes the rules at the last minute and as soon as anyone protests shouts "no!" until the teachers rush over to change your diaper.

Responses like this are why you're argument is invalid. You're petty and passive, with a deluded sense of entitlement. You're not really interesting in arguing. Your in this to try and verbally beat me into the dirt because i had the AUDACITY to bluntly say that i disagree. You won't succeed.

[GodlessHeretic]

Perhaps you know the old saying: "Everyone is entitled to their own set of opinions, but they are not entitled to their own set of facts."

Irony.

You and I may disagree on what particular tactics are destructive to the game and which are enjoyable, however it is simply a fact that certain tactics were seen by the community at large as unenjoyable and the overuse of those tactics caused people to leave the game. That isn't based on my own opinion of those tactics, it is based on the voiced expression of players leaving the game because of them.

A popular opinion is still an opinion. One that can be disputed and proven false. More people would do it, but it's so...unpopular...and hard...


We don't merely "wage war" in Planetside, we play a video game for entertainment. If the only objective in this game had was to turn pixels from one color to another we'd all be ghost hacking 24/7.

People enter conflict for numerous reasons. The overall concept is to prove your superiority to others and walk away intact. Your making the incorrect assumption that "waging war" follows only a single aspect. This is why i do not believe you and i were playing the same game. If we were, you would understand this.


I couldn't care less about your pity, nor, I suspect, could the 'victims'.

I just said i had none. Words...how do they work? Am i right?

The point of the analogy to the funeral (which MAD brought up) was to draw a parallel to how trolls can ruin gameplay, and my response to it was to note that the community as a whole objected to those trolls. That they (the community) would do so shows that there is indeed a sizable number of players out there who felt there should be a modicum of decorum in the game.

Using a group of trolls that ruined a player-driven event unrealated to the actual game in comparision to the mechanics and meta of Planetside is a pretty poor analogy. You're gonna need to re-think that bit. That being said, i do understand what you're getting at. None of this really matters and people are going to do what they want. This was stated towards the beginning of this thread. All we're doing is dick-measuring and wasting time.

This thread is directed at those players, not the trolls who will do as they will regardless.

Unless you have some sort of telepathic link to what D2A is ACTUALLY thinking, this is bullshit.

While I will admit that my impression and description of your personality is unflattering, I mentioned it not as an attack but in order to frame the following sentences, which answered your earlier query as to why the players felt the need to have an in-game funeral for their fallen friend.

Again, all of this predicated on a matter of perception and opinion. Further discussion is an even bigger waste of time than the rest of this thread.

That the common good is the extended life of Planetside 1 is indeed an opinion, as it happens though, it is a common opinion.

Common to who? So far, its just you and D2A who are debating the matter. Everyone else who's posted (besides me of course) just sort of threw in their two-cents and called it good. Even more are waiting for the flames to erupt.

That is to say, most of the players who played PS1 enjoyed the game and wanted it to live on as long as possible. Many of those players are hoping that it will be playable again shortly, once it goes F2P, and the point of this thread is to see that it remains playable for as long as possible, because that is in the interest of all of us who will be playing. That it is an interest shared by the majority of players would make it a common interest and working towards it would be what one might call the common good.

I'd call it irrelevant. It should be abundantly clear at this point that you have the authority to do nothing to anyone in any way. Why you wasting your time defending a set of "guidelines" with no point or place in the game you wish to impose them is baffling to me.

As to which parts of your post I am completely disregarding; I must say, I don't know what part I may have disregarded, but I can understand your irritation at me having skipped over it, as surely it held the entirely of your meaningful argument (as all the parts I did address seem to have been drivel).

Petty, sad, and disapointing.


You seemed of have misinterpreted my intent in specifically citing (and emphasizing) the lines I quoted from the OP. I didn't quote the guidelines, nor the reason they were posted. I quoted the lines which stated the guidelines are voluntary and are expected not to be upheld by some, but that if they are upheld by many it will be overall beneficial to the game.

Assumption based on a false-positive opinion. Tell yourself this as many times and you feel you need to, but it will not make it a "fact".


There is some undoubtable irony that you would seem to misread both my words and my intent so shortly after criticizing me for having done so...

More irony.

While I, as a solitary player, do not have any control over how Planetside dies, the player-base as a whole does have that power.

No. You don't. You, nor anyone else has the authority to make SOE keep Planetsides server up. If they do, it will not be for your benefit. If you do, it will be tertiary at best and basically at SOE's whim anyway.

So, once again, the point of this thread is to voice ways the player-base can use the power it has to extend the life of the game.

SOE has proven on more than one occasion that your "power" is ineffectual. You have no control over game. At all.

Well first of all, I am very well aware of reasons to drop a generator, having done it myself very often during my Planetside career (perhaps it escaped your notice, but it actually features prominently in my signature).

I don't know or care who you are. Your signature implies that you are vermin and that you belong to an outfit called DARK, which i have fought against...

Not impressed.

I can also assume that you're an Infiltrator, which means you do less than than a Lodestar pilot, but have somehow deluded yourself into thinking you're more nescessary. Which isn't to say that you aren't. Sabotage plays an important role in conflict. It's just that the suit and the shitty attitude aren't a requirement.

What's more, I don't believe I ever whined about it in my post, and certainly not so much as to reach an objectionable level.

It reached enough of one for you to support a set of vague (at best) set of "guidelines" on the subject.

What I did do was note that the Planetside 1 community as a whole recognized that there were times when the generator was dropped and it ruined an otherwise fun fight

So it's ok for you to do it because it's "justified" somehow, but when someone else does it for reasons that you can't possibly fathom, it's lame. Do you see why general rules and guidelines won't work? Why it's pointless? There are too many variables. Too many reasons. Too many paths to take to the "end" result.

and that those players would frequently show their dismay at having lost that fight by TK'ing the gen dropper

Petty. If it were me, i'd sit there and let you grief lock yourselves. At least then you'd have an excuse to be wasting time.

Of course, the intent of me bringing this up was to show a case where (despite your assertion to the contrary) the majority of the playerbase was more interested in a fun fight than winning.

Your idea of a "fun fight" is selfish at its core. Where ever you are, you are no where else. There are a lot of places to be in Planetside. Places where you might actually help. Or hell, might even be NEEDED.

As you point out in your post, the playstyle of the CNs was just to 'steam-roll entire continents' in campaigns that were fun for neither the enemy (you) nor the players on their same empire (SgtMAD's post following yours). The point, therefore, in bringing it up is to show that there are indeed destructive playstyles, and they are better avoided for the overall well being of the game.

It was only destructive because we didn't know how to fight them properly. It isn't too much different than fighting a typical "zerg" outfit, it's just the scale was just so daunting. Combine that their communal and socialist tendencies and well...you get the idea. SgtMAD probably had a worse time with them than i ever did though. From what i gathered, they operated just like The Enclave, or any other group of trolls out there. There were enough of them that they simply didn't need to play/interact with the rest of us. So they didn't.

While I don't know that I would go so far as to say this is Planetside's only flaw; I would agree that it is a flaw nevertheless. In a perfect world we would expect that SOE would be able to correct the problems of destructive playstyles

I hope to hell you never hold any part of this "correction". You have no idea what you're talking about.

however as I mentioned very early on in this thread, we cannot expect SOE to do anything about it, therefore it is in our interest to work together as a community to see that as many players as possible disavow such destructive playstyles themselves.

Matter of opinion, not saving anything, not a hero...etc. Could you be more of an arrogant jackass?

In so far as you offered a response, I certainly engaged it. I stated (openly, and without diversion) that you are certainly entitle to play in whatever fashion you so choose, however if the majority of PS1 players choose to play in such a selfish manner it will be to the detriment of the game overall.

See? There you go again. You're not Planetside's fucking messiah. Neither is D2A. The game isn't going to magically fall apart because not everyone agrees with you.

I completely disagree with the assertion that every bit of fun derived from Planetside comes at the expense of someone else's. In truth, some of the best fights I ever played in were fights we ultimately lost.

I've had some of these too. They are usually far and few between though. I'll bear an ass-whopping, so long as there is something to learn from it. Utimately though, there is a threshold. After that point, i'd be lying to myself if said that i liked losing.

The point of the game is to have fun fighting, not mere winning. After all, if all I wanted to do was 'win' I could sub-up right now and spend hours upon hours winning my way across Auraxis with no troublesome enemies trying to fight me. The fun comes from the fight, not merely the outcome, and if a positive outcome comes at the expense of a good fight, the community as a whole would often express their disapproval (see: above references to gen blowing)

As i stated above, there are many aspects to Planetsides' conflict. There are multiple ways to "win". Also, as stated above, your concept of a "fun fight" is also a matter of opinion. It is also, as stated previously, derived at the expense of someone else's "fun".

In order to have your "fun fight", there are fewer people to participate in another "fun fight". One that might actually result in "victory", as hollow as it may be. Because you are incapable of working with the community-at-large due to your selfish concepts and "guidlines", you have weaked the collective as a whole. Consensus, whether it be imposed passively or actively, through writ or word, makes one inflexible in their own actions. Actions are what determine concepts such as "guidlines" or "rules". They have no substance without them. How do you think your list even came to be in the first place? Ponderous amounts of intro/intraspective thought? A well-worded, flowery, eloquent, wall of text on a forum? No. It did not.


All evidence presented thus far would lead me to believe you will in fact not 'get' me, but I suppose over centuries even a small stream can crack mountains; I must admit though I wouldn't expect it to happen before the Second Coming.

LMAO.

The attitude oozing from this quote, your entire post (and future posts, i imagine) is exactly why i will "get" you.

Oh PSU forums, how I have missed you. popcorn: :lol:

Wats goin on in here guyz


HaHaHaHa

Mightymouser. Hi. I miss you. All the homo.

Please disregard Godless.

HAI GAIS!!!!

Secant, you know he won't.

[Mightymouser]

Irony.

A popular opinion is still an opinion. One that can be disputed and proven false. More people would do it, but it's so...unpopular...and hard...

What a vapid statement, there's nothing really to respond to there, except that if something can be proven false, it is by definition not an opinion.


People enter conflict for numerous reasons. The overall concept is to prove your superiority to others and walk away intact. Your making the incorrect assumption that "waging war" follows only a single aspect. This is why i do not believe you and i were playing the same game. If we were, you would understand this.

People play video games to be entertained.


I just said i had none. Words...how do they work? Am i right?

Using a group of trolls that ruined a player-driven event unrealated to the actual game in comparision to the mechanics and meta of Planetside is a pretty poor analogy. You're gonna need to re-think that bit. That being said, i do understand what you're getting at. None of this really matters and people are going to do what they want. This was stated towards the beginning of this thread. All we're doing is dick-measuring and wasting time.

I didn't bring up the analogy, I simply expanded upon it because I think it is in fact quite apt at showing the community's reaction to a violation of 'eHonor' and therefore their inherent willingness to accept and uphold some level of a 'code' for the greater good of the game.


Unless you have some sort of telepathic link to what D2A is ACTUALLY thinking, this is bullshit.

I don't need a telepathic link to D2A to know the intent of the thread when the intent of the thread is written out quite clearly in the OP. I realize from your response to D2A's post that you seem to have some paranoia issues and that you 'don't believe that reason is as benign as [he is] attempting to make it look.' However, I am not operating under any such delusional state and am quite ready to believe D2A's stated purpose for the thread, which is convenient as it coincides with my own purpose for responding to the thread...


Common to who? So far, its just you and D2A who are debating the matter. Everyone else who's posted (besides me of course) just sort of threw in their two-cents and called it good. Even more are waiting for the flames to erupt.

I'm sorry, are you actually arguing that it is not in the interest of all of PlanetSide 1's players that the game continues to exist and maintain a playerbase? This is really just getting silly now...



I'd call it irrelevant. It should be abundantly clear at this point that you have the authority to do nothing to anyone in any way. Why you wasting your time defending a set of "guidelines" with no point or place in the game you wish to impose them is baffling to me.

Yet again, no one is trying to 'impose' anything.


Petty, sad, and disapointing.

I take your lack of being able to quote any overlooked or 'disregarded' portions of your previous posts to mean that I indeed did not overlook any. That is indeed sad and disappointing, as it means your argument is just as insipid and empty as I had feared.


Assumption based on a false-positive opinion. Tell yourself this as many times and you feel you need to, but it will not make it a "fact".

I'm confused as to what exactly you are arguing here? That it is somehow not a fact that I quoted and emphasized the specified portions of the OP? Or that you completely failed to address them? Both points seem to be entirely verifiable from your post.


More irony.

Indeed.


No. You don't. You, nor anyone else has the authority to make SOE keep Planetsides server up. If they do, it will not be for your benefit. If you do, it will be tertiary at best and basically at SOE's whim anyway.

SOE has proven on more than one occasion that your "power" is ineffectual. You have no control over game. At all.

SOE has the power to shut the servers down. However, as I noted in the lines you bizarrely decided to delete from the quote, when PS1 dies it will likely not be because SOE shuts the servers down, but rather because the community stops playing (as the current state of the PS1 server exemplifies)


I don't know or care who you are. Your signature implies that you are vermin and that you belong to an outfit called DARK, which i have fought against...

Not impressed.

I can also assume that you're an Infiltrator, which means you do less than than a Lodestar pilot, but have somehow deluded yourself into thinking you're more nescessary. Which isn't to say that you aren't. Sabotage plays an important role in conflict. It's just that the suit and the shitty attitude aren't a requirement.

I'm not entirely sure what all that hot air is supposed to mean, except that you seem to be trying to attack my in game abilities and/or play style. You seem to be using words you don't fully understand, for example to say I have deluded myself into thinking something would imply that the something I have deluded myself into thinking is not true, it is incongruent to then state " Which isn't to say that you aren't." Because that is, indeed, exactly what you've just said. Perhaps this would be easier if you limited yourself to a vocabulary with which you are fully comfortable. At any rate, both my play style and abilities therein are moderately well known, and I feel no concern for your opinion of either.


It reached enough of one for you to support a set of vague (at best) set of "guidelines" on the subject.

So it's ok for you to do it because it's "justified" somehow, but when someone else does it for reasons that you can't possibly fathom, it's lame. Do you see why general rules and guidelines won't work? Why it's pointless? There are too many variables. Too many reasons. Too many paths to take to the "end" result.

The point of general rules and guidelines is to address exactly that problem, to give a space for discussion as to what qualifies a 'justifiable' circumstance in which to drop a gen so that fights are not constantly and consistently preemptively ended in a manner which ruins the fun of players on both sides of a fight. There is no reason to attempt to layout and account for all the variables, nor to attempt to ensure that everyone is always satisfied that the guidelines have been upheld (as we have covered several times, it is fully expected that there will be times when they won't be). In such an event everyone just has to deal with that in their own way, however if the existence and promotion of these guidelines can extend the life and fun of even one fight, they're worth it. (To say nothing of the personal entertainment I have had obliterating your 'arguments' in this thread so far).


Petty. If it were me, i'd sit there and let you grief lock yourselves. At least then you'd have an excuse to be wasting time.

I never promoted the idea of TK'ing gen droppers, I pointing to the practice as evidence of the community's opinion of the practice.


Your idea of a "fun fight" is selfish at its core. Where ever you are, you are no where else. There are a lot of places to be in Planetside. Places where you might actually help. Or hell, might even be NEEDED.

Selfish, how? Because I am promoting entertaining fights in a video game the sole intention of which is to provide entertainment? The mental gymnastics you had to preform to reach that conclusion should be an Olympic Sport.


It was only destructive because we didn't know how to fight them properly. It isn't too much different than fighting a typical "zerg" outfit, it's just the scale was just so daunting. Combine that their communal and socialist tendencies and well...you get the idea. SgtMAD probably had a worse time with them than i ever did though. From what i gathered, they operated just like The Enclave, or any other group of trolls out there. There were enough of them that they simply didn't need to play/interact with the rest of us. So they didn't.

I hope to hell you never hold any part of this "correction". You have no idea what you're talking about.

They were destructive because the fights they generated were not fun to participate in, and therefore people left the game.

As for my being part of SOE's correction (which I already noted I don't believe will ever take place), I already have a pretty well paying day-job, I don't anticipate going to work for SOE any time soon, you can rest easy.


Matter of opinion, not saving anything, not a hero...etc. Could you be more of an arrogant jackass?

Have you devolved to the point that you can no longer form coherent thoughts and sentences?


See? There you go again. You're not Planetside's fucking messiah. Neither is D2A. The game isn't going to magically fall apart because not everyone agrees with you.

I've never stated that everyone need agree with me, certainly they do not. What I have stated is that if players maintain playstyles that bring about fights which aren't fun to play in, other players will leave; if too many players choose to maintain such playstyles the game will suffer. This is a fact.

I've had some of these too. They are usually far and few between though. I'll bear an ass-whopping, so long as there is something to learn from it. Utimately though, there is a threshold. After that point, i'd be lying to myself if said that i liked losing.

As i stated above, there are many aspects to Planetsides' conflict. There are multiple ways to "win". Also, as stated above, your concept of a "fun fight" is also a matter of opinion. It is also, as stated previously, derived at the expense of someone else's "fun".
If a fight is fun for both sides fighting in it, it's continuation need not detract from anyone else's fun. Preemptively ending such a fight on the other hand deprives all parties of said fun.


In order to have your "fun fight", there are fewer people to participate in another "fun fight". One that might actually result in "victory", as hollow as it may be. Because you are incapable of working with the community-at-large due to your selfish concepts and "guidlines", you have weaked the collective as a whole. Consensus, whether it be imposed passively or actively, through writ or word, makes one inflexible in their own actions. Actions are what determine concepts such as "guidlines" or "rules". They have no substance without them. How do you think your list even came to be in the first place? Ponderous amounts of intro/intraspective thought? A well-worded, flowery, eloquent, wall of text on a forum? No. It did not.

Wow, lay off the thesaurus there; you're clearly using words you don't fully understand. You cannot in one breath call me selfish and unable to work with the community as a whole, and in the following decry the follies of a consensus. A writ is something formally written, so "writ or word" is a meaningless distinction. To say that actions determine guidelines is arguing an undisputed point; this list was derived from play styles D2A observed in PS1 which resulted in less-than-fun fights (as measured by the fact that they caused people to leave the game). Intraspective simply isn't a word.


LMAO.

The attitude oozing from this quote, your entire post (and future posts, i imagine) is exactly why i will "get" you.

You've reached the point that you are arguing just to argue. I could say the sky is blue, and you would undoubtedly come back with some bizarre statement like: "That's just your opinion. The sky isn't blue; it's a light shade of purple." While I will admit some pleasure at pulling apart the absurdity of your responses, it has reached a point of pitiful. Do yourself a favor and just walk away; you're only making yourself look more foolish with each response.

[Baneblade]

If you are not BLUE, you are RED... or that other color.

[SgtMAD]

please let this thread run,it is the best thread on these forums.


it feels like 2004 on the original PS General Forum

[Hehateme]

Dear lord I sincerely hope Planetside 2 players, aspiring to try out the original, aren't reading this thread.

Sure, you three comparing ego's is hilarious to Planetside 1 vets, but this has to be a turn off to anyone who doesn't understand this is what happens the first time you get a kill by spamming adadada better than the person you are shooting.

As for the Honor pact, in my opinion D2A and MightyMouser have a point, in that the pact is the "ideal" way to play planetside. It is the most fun and "fairest" way to play the game according to the majority of players. That being said, in my experience most people curse anyone who plays "lamely" (blowing gen/over use of max ect) to ruin their farm BUT when they are the ones being farmed they'll do the exact same thing they just condemned. Hypocrisy thy name is EVERYONEWHOPLAYSPLANETSIDE.

GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.

Solution #1) try your best not to act lame. I know, I know D2A that was your whole point at making the list. For some reason you asking this was seen as you demanding everyone comply. I don't know why, Heretic is probably just playing devil's advocate (and doing a really find job at that). People are going to play lame, it's just how video games work. And just because the majority of people will agree that this list defines lame play, doesn't mean everyone does.

Solution #2) Stop complaining. Simple as that. Planetside is a war based game and people play to win. And if you're in anything but a bio-lab and your gen get's blown that is your own damn fault unless router exploit. Also for the love of God. If you are holding a bio-lab the gen is going to go down, sure it sucks, but it's a bio-lab. Don't bitch and complain. It's been 10 years, it's a bio-lab, it's going to happen.

Let's look on the bright side, no batsteg, basti, those two TR who were always in AA max's (don't remember their names but if you've ever seen them out of a max in a fight it would make you die of laughter)

Now personally, I hardly ever invade a base. My outfit will always go start a new fight somewhere else because defending is fun, or I just log off. And with that said I still understand why people resort to such lame measures. People don't like getting owned, and invading a base with a semi decent squad is going to suck. So make it end I suppose.

Last thing, I know I only addressed the "not letting fights develop part" but that is truly the only thing in the list that bugs me, and is fixable (sorta).
1. Ceasing to let fights develop/ending fights too early See above
2. Use of lame weapons/vehicles
Doesn't exist to me, if it was added to the game it's part of the game
3.General douchebag behavior
People are douchebag's in real life, what about an online alias is gonna fix that. I get on with most anyone in planetside, D2A we've played decent amounts together you can attest to that. If someone is a dickhead in game just treat them how you would in real life, damn.
4. Abuse of exploits/bugs
Well this is no better than hacking in my opinion. If you use(d) a broken wasp that is cheating, if you use(d) a router GLITCH to warp to gen/basement that is cheating. (those things were not added to the game but exploits)

[Dominion]

This is ridiculous, all of it, you would think the Pope & Charles Darwin were arguing philosophically. I understand everyone is passionate and that this post isn't going to stop that, but I'm pretty sure the point of threads are to discuss the topics at hand, not your petty arguments which would be best spent messaging each other than letting your argument spill over onto the thread where people which actually want to discuss. My English writing to argue essays are shorter and less detailed than this; & now I feel like a hypocrite because I'm just getting as judgmental and angry as some people have acted.

But onto the topic at hand...

I appreciate the effort you put into this thread. Honestly I hope I get a good few weeks out of this server, I was 7 when it came out & it was my first video game, I'm not a very 'nerdy' (sorry if that offends) person so if I ever played a game it was this half the time. I never really noticed the cheats or how unbalanced it was, I thought Core Combat & the caves were cool so I'm sad to see them go. Hopefully someone will think twice before ruining it for everyone else.

[Death2All]

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:


PS1 is going F2P soon
There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time
Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time
What do you guys think
YOU'RE WRONG
Why?
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

[Zulthus]

Yea.... I'll be one of the first people in game when it goes F2P. I don't play many games anymore, PS1 is probably one of the only unique games I still want to play over and over for hours at a time.

However, with a number of people in the PS2 community spewing waste out of their mouths how it's a "shitty game" and "graphiks r bad lul" most likely scaring off plenty of prospective players, I find myself becoming apathetic about what happens next for the game. If it goes on Steam or gets a good active community, I'll ride it out to the end. If it flops within a week, I guess I'll have no more fun games to play and go back to learning the piano and focus on my 3D crap.

[BeatCrazed]

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:


PS1 is going F2P soon
There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time
Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time
What do you guys think
YOU'RE WRONG
Why?
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

Well I'm signing it. I'd have done so earlier but i was totally lurking, haha.

[GodlessHeretic]

What a vapid statement, there's nothing really to respond to there, except that if something can be proven false, it is by definition not an opinion.

/facepalm

People play video games to be entertained.

There are multiple ways of being entertained in a video game. This concept must be hard to wrap your head around, because we have dicussed this point to death.

I didn't bring up the analogy, I simply expanded upon it because I think it is in fact quite apt at showing the community's reaction to a violation of 'eHonor' and therefore their inherent willingness to accept and uphold some level of a 'code' for the greater good of the game.

A matter of perception and opinion. Your "expansion" of the analogy still doesn't work.

I don't need a telepathic link to D2A to know the intent of the thread when the intent of the thread is written out quite clearly in the OP. I realize from your response to D2A's post that you seem to have some paranoia issues and that you 'don't believe that reason is as benign as [he is] attempting to make it look.' However, I am not operating under any such delusional state and am quite ready to believe D2A's stated purpose for the thread, which is convenient as it coincides with my own purpose for responding to the thread...

At this point, i'm not really arguing over this list of "guidelines" anymore. They're vague at best, and utterly unrealistic at worst. I'm after you and D2A now. People create rules for a reason. In this case, it's because you two believe that you are authority figures of some sort. Otherwise, you wouldn't have bothered. Since i seem to lack the vocabulary to explain this correctly, let's try a little math...

Mightymouser + D2A = Al Gore

This is why even starting this thread was a waste of time, why you arguing with me is a waste of time, and why i'm going to butt-fuck you in text-form until you just be quiet.

I'm sorry, are you actually arguing that it is not in the interest of all of PlanetSide 1's players that the game continues to exist and maintain a playerbase? This is really just getting silly now...

No. I'm arguing that despite this apparent mass outcry, all i see are two people genuinely arguing the point. Neither of you are even doing that great of a job either. What does this say about your entire movement if you two pud-whackers are the best your collective has to offer?

NO ONE CARES.

Yet again, no one is trying to 'impose' anything.

Yes. You are. In a passive aggressive, guilt laced pile of visual diarrhea. If we follow your rules, then we have fun. If we don't? We destroy Planetside...

Really?

I take your lack of being able to quote any overlooked or 'disregarded' portions of your previous posts to mean that I indeed did not overlook any. That is indeed sad and disappointing, as it means your argument is just as insipid and empty as I had feared.

Grasping at straws. Desperation stinks like bitch. You reek of it.

I'm confused as to what exactly you are arguing here? That it is somehow not a fact that I quoted and emphasized the specified portions of the OP? Or that you completely failed to address them? Both points seem to be entirely verifiable from your post.

I'm saying that you have no actual facts to support anything you said. You're just assuming they are for...who knows what reason?

SOE has the power to shut the servers down. However, as I noted in the lines you bizarrely decided to delete from the quote, when PS1 dies it will likely not be because SOE shuts the servers down, but rather because the community stops playing (as the current state of the PS1 server exemplifies)

Planetside is an expendable novelty item to SOE. Should even the slightest bit of shit hit the fan, what do you think will go first?

People stopped playing because the game costs a monthly fee they can't justify. Over time, it can add up. They also stopped because certain aspects/game mechanics were poorly implemented. That's about it. Reasons beyond that are a revolving door.


I'm not entirely sure what all that hot air is supposed to mean

Let me help you:

-Outstanding Infiltrators are hard to come by, you are not one of them.
-Your outfit, at least from what i've seen, is about as gray, amorphous, and unremarkable as the spooge stains i leave in a wad of tissue paper every night. The tie-in here is that both could be discarded and no one would care.
-The signature at the bottom of your posts is dumb.
-Beyond this thread, i have no real idea who you are.

except that you seem to be trying to attack my in game abilities and/or play style. You seem to be using words you don't fully understand, for example to say I have deluded myself into thinking something would imply that the something I have deluded myself into thinking is not true, it is incongruent to then state " Which isn't to say that you aren't." Because that is, indeed, exactly what you've just said. Perhaps this would be easier if you limited yourself to a vocabulary with which you are fully comfortable. At any rate, both my play style and abilities therein are moderately well known, and I feel no concern for your opinion of either.

I am baiting a giant hook. That's all.

The point of general rules and guidelines is to address exactly that problem, to give a space for discussion as to what qualifies a 'justifiable' circumstance in which to drop a gen so that fights are not constantly and consistently preemptively ended in a manner which ruins the fun of players on both sides of a fight.

This is not possible. The reasons are too varied and you're not capable of outlining them all. That much is certain.

There is no reason to attempt to layout and account for all the variables, nor to attempt to ensure that everyone is always satisfied that the guidelines have been upheld

Yes there is. If the potential here is for these "guidelines" to become a more concreate way of acting, then everyone and everything involved should be satisfied and accounted for. This is why you're not capable.

In such an event everyone just has to deal with that in their own way, however if the existence and promotion of these guidelines can extend the life and fun of even one fight, they're worth it.

You do understand that Planetside is a game of prepetual conflict, right? There is always more than one battle occuring, always another fight on the horizon. Another chance for a moment of glory, honor, or the thrill of the kill. Yet, here you are focusing on this one, isolated, almost non-existent moment.

I pity you. The game is over a decade old and you missed almost all of it.

(To say nothing of the personal entertainment I have had obliterating your 'arguments' in this thread so far).

Buckle up, bud. I haven't even shifted out of first yet.

I never promoting the idea of TK'ing gen droppers, I pointing to the practice as evidence of the community's opinion of the practice.

Yes. Because the community at large is supremely informed and oozing with foresight in the middle of virtual armed conflict...

Or at all....

Selfish, how? Because I am promoting entertaining fights in a video game the sole intention of which is to provide entertainment? The mental gymnastics you had to preform to reach that conclusion should be an Olympic Sport.

Planetside players will find their own entertainment from the game. I can assure you they will not need your invaluable services. Be sure to offer it as often as possible though. There might a be a few that fall through the cracks that absolutely require someone like you to imply "right" or "wrong" decision-making in a VIDEO GAME.

They were destructive because the fights they generated were not fun to participate in, and therefore people left the game.

At first? Yes, they were. Shock and awe have that effect at first.

As for my being part of SOE's correction (which I already noted I don't believe will ever take place),

So if they won't do it, and you, nor anyone else involved in your "changes" has the authority to do it...why?

I already have a pretty well paying day-job, I don't anticipate going to work for SOE any time soon, you can rest easy.

Not really what i meant, but it's adorable you went there. More desperation.

Have you devolved to the point that you can no longer form coherent thoughts and sentences?

You have a recurring pattern in the things you say. I got the key points down and figured you'd get rest. I apologize for my assumption.

I've never stated that everyone need agree with me, certainly they do not.

You said this.

What I have stated is that if players maintain playstyles that bring about fights which aren't fun to play in, other players will leave; if too many players choose to maintain such playstyles the game will suffer. This is a fact.

Then, said this! BRILLIANT!

You don't have to agree with me and are "entitled" to your "opinion"...but if you don't, then you "ruin" everything because I CAN'T POSSIBLY BE WRONG!!!! I'M A SOMEBODY!

Creepy. It's like i AM you...

/facepalm

If a fight is fun for both sides fighting in it, it's continuation need not detract from anyone else's fun. Preemptively ending such a fight on the other hand deprives all parties of said fun.

You are making a huge and horribly incorrect leap in "logic" here.

Wow, lay off the thesaurus there; you're clearly using words you don't fully understand. You cannot in one breath call me selfish and unable to work with the community as a whole, and in the following decry the follies of a consensus. A writ is something formally written, so "writ or word" is a meaningless distinction. To say that actions determine guidelines is arguing an undisputed point; this list was derived from play styles D2A observed in PS1 which resulted in less-than-fun fights (as measured by the fact that they caused people to leave the game). Intraspective simply isn't a word.

Now you're nit-picking. More desperation. Also, deflection. I do apologize for not busting out my thesaurus though. I'd certainly hate to bother you through the use of words that don't exist and distinctions that make no sense...that would be rude.

You've reached the point that you are arguing just to argue.

Partially. There are more reasons, to be sure.

I could say the sky is blue, and you would undoubtedly come back with some bizarre statement like: "That's just your opinion. The sky isn't blue; it's a light shade of purple."

You're so close to understanding it's making my balls twitch.

While I will admit some pleasure at pulling apart the absurdity of your responses, it has reached a point of pitiful. Do yourself a favor and just walk away; you're only making yourself look more foolish with each response.

Irony. Desperation.

I won't be going anywhere. I've got so much to do...

[GodlessHeretic]

I honestly have no words. Last time I posted this people simply posted "signed" as in to imply they agree or they furthered the discussion into what is considered a "lame" playstyle or not. Some points were argued upon, but not into the shitfest that this has evolved into. I don't understand nor did I expect the inexplicable resentment. It's just derailed into pointless trolling by this point.

Cliffnotes version of the thread:


PS1 is going F2P soon
There probably won't be that many people back, so let's try and have a good time
Here's some stuff that makes it not a good time
What do you guys think
YOU'RE WRONG
Why?
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR OPINION

And it's all gone to shit from there. I think this is one of those theoretical examples of an infinite number of monkeys typing on typewriters and one of them eventually types out Shakespeare. Only in this situation it's not Shakespeare, it's just nonsensical, contrived, bullshit.

This is all your fault. Own up to being an idiot at least, would ya?

[GodlessHeretic]

As for the Honor pact, in my opinion D2A and MightyMouser have a point, in that the pact is the "ideal" way to play planetside. It is the most fun and "fairest" way to play the game according to the majority of players. That being said, in my experience most people curse anyone who plays "lamely" (blowing gen/over use of max ect) to ruin their farm BUT when they are the ones being farmed they'll do the exact same thing they just condemned. Hypocrisy thy name is EVERYONEWHOPLAYSPLANETSIDE.

GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.

Solution #1) try your best not to act lame. I know, I know D2A that was your whole point at making the list. For some reason you asking this was seen as you demanding everyone comply. I don't know why, Heretic is probably just playing devil's advocate (and doing a really find job at that). People are going to play lame, it's just how video games work. And just because the majority of people will agree that this list defines lame play, doesn't mean everyone does.

Solution #2) Stop complaining. Simple as that. Planetside is a war based game and people play to win. And if you're in anything but a bio-lab and your gen get's blown that is your own damn fault unless router exploit. Also for the love of God. If you are holding a bio-lab the gen is going to go down, sure it sucks, but it's a bio-lab. Don't bitch and complain. It's been 10 years, it's a bio-lab, it's going to happen.

This guy...

For the record, those PS1 vets you're refering to include myself as well. I'm just a very well kept secret. Like an STD...or a crooked dick.

[Hehateme]

This guy...

For the record, those PS1 vets you're refering to include myself as well. I'm just a very well kept secret. Like an STD...or a crooked dick.

Where did I suggest you weren't a PS1 vet? I merely tried to reword your arguments factoring out the arrogance.

[cHaM]

please let this thread run,it is the best thread on these forums.


it feels like 2004 on the original PS General Forum

Needs more Rang imo.

[GodlessHeretic]

Where did I suggest you weren't a PS1 vet? I merely tried to reword your arguments factoring out the arrogance.

I never assume anyone knows who i am. You are right though. I am comming off as a bit arrogant. Sometimes though, in order to fight monsters...

Needs more Rang imo.

YES.

I miss him.

[Hehateme]

I never assume anyone knows who i am. You are right though. I am comming off as a bit arrogant. Sometimes though, in order to fight

In fairness, your arrogance was only a response to the aggressive arrogance thrown at you by the other two.

By the way: I was cheering for you the entire time, especially when you commented on Mightymouser's inability to not insult someone. Bravo

[Mightymouser]

Godless, I'm done with you. At the point that you have to resort to utter vulgarity to try and make a point, you've run out of useful things to say... Now you're just arguing to argue.



GodlessHeretic also has a point, and forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm going to try and put it in a different way than you did. He is asking "why would I not play lame to win a base." Let's face it, no one likes being the people constantly getting killed when invading a base. It sucks, you hardly get any kills, you die loads (and since you're spawning at ams' spawning takes FOREVER), and it's just not a fun experience. You can be the best player in the game and barely pull out a 1:1 k/d (yes k/d is stupid if you want a good one go play an Arena FPS, still though no one likes dying). So why would anyone not want to just get that hellish experience over with as fast as they can.


I actually agree with that point, I just don't agree that it's the one Godless was making... If an empire isn't having fun at a fight (especially if they're getting farmed); I don’t have any problem with them working to end it (short of exploit routers, which are IMO utter rubbish in all cases). I’ve ended my fair share of interfarms and I can’t fault anyone for ending one of mine.

However, there is a far cry between ending a farm where your side is getting slaughtered and moving base to base running more MAXes to the generator than the enemy has players on the continent, over and over because you’re “playing to win” and justifying it with the "This is war, there are no rules in war" crap we saw over and over in years past (and which Godless has reiterated in this thread).

[GodlessHeretic]

Godless, I'm done with you. At the point that you have to resort to utter vulgarity to try and make a point, you've run out of useful things to say... Now you're just arguing to argue.

Vulgarity? That's the breaking point for you? Geez...if i'd have known that, i would've tried to end this 3 pages ago...

No. You're done because the tactics you use to "argue" are failing. What's worse is that you're attempting to play the "victim" now to garner sympathy. I didn't start this. You did. Own up to it.

However, there is a far cry between ending a farm where your side is getting slaughtered and moving base to base running more MAXes to the generator than the enemy has players on the continent, over and over because you’re “playing to win” and justifying it with the "This is war, there are no rules in war" crap we saw over and over in years past (and which Godless has reiterated in this thread).

The circumstances you're using as an example here are kind of isolated, and are usually reserved for truly pain-in-the ass fights that HAVE to be ended. Additionally, i've only seen a few outfits with the quanitity of people required to pull this off.

I can't believe i'm saying this again, but for the last time...there are multiple ways to "win" Planetside. For some, it's taking bases. For others, it's stats. For others, it's those little moments. For others still, it's the discipline required to uphold a standard. For more, it's something else. There are too many people. Too many variables. All of them are required though. In the end, you do what works for you and yours. More importantly, you bring it up with you and yours.

Just do two things for me though:

First, expect that your way of doing things will not always work and is not always warranted. I don't care how successful you think it is, you are not the status-quo.

Second, do not begrudge others for what they do. They have their place, just like you do. Learning to work together despite differences in method is what truly makes a great player in Planetside.

[bedzike]

how about this play the way you wanna play, get tked by the other platers. Get trash talked on command chat and global. Get tked more. Just keep inmind everyone a blueberry a strawberry and a grape all need guidance and if they see you acting like an idiot they will follow you like an idiot. So how about everyone just act like you have some common sense. I know your shoe sizes aren't big enough to be mature ages so lets actually act are age and hop off each others dicks. Let godless be a dickhead and watch him get tked. Watch everyone else be dickheads watch them get tked. Its a game you can ruins someones fun just as fast as they ruins yours. So remember that killing a good battle. Meams your on someones shit list and your probly going to be tked for days after. Thank you

[Minigun]

The weapons lock comes fast enough and if we really need we can global a kill on sight order to keep the trolls at bay. TKing isn't really an issue to me.

[bedzike]

We can make 100 accounts and tk all day

[Minigun]

And we can kill them 1000 times a day.

[BeatCrazed]

And we can kill them 1000 times a day.

I think Bedzike means that we can make 100 accounts to TK people who are acting like shits (godless), and to enforce the global KOS order for trolls and such.

[bedzike]

^^^^^^^^ thats what i meant. And unlike other mmos all we have to do is add you as a friend and it will show us that your online. Just do /who on a cont and we found you its that simple in ps1. So enforcing the law that we as a community together can and will be enforced quite easily.

[Wahooo]

The circumstances you're using as an example here are kind of isolated, and are usually reserved for truly pain-in-the ass fights that HAVE to be ended. Additionally, i've only seen a few outfits with the quanitity of people required to pull this off.



Actually once the population drops to the point you have 1 or almost 1 pop-locked continent the situations Mouse is talking about are incredibly common.

15 people trying to have a fight at a base and getting overrun by 20 maxes is not unheard of. That or seeing hot spots and responding as a small group to find gens in the 3 or 5 bases near them blown.

The problem is, we know the pop is going to be low to start with, and if 'winning' is happening at any cost, or in ways that are kinda pointless, ie avoiding the actual S in the FPS of the game, it gets pointless. When the game feels pointless people quit. When you have a low population and people quit you don't have a game.

That is all anyone is asking. Please try and think of PLAYING the game. If you are just out to make circles change color on a map then play MSpaint.
It is a lot to ask, but it is little things.
Killing a router exploit and reporting the exploiter even if it is on your own empire.
TK and report barcode hackers and the like
Name and Shame in Global chat people doing douche things like draining an entire continent.

All things that if we had enough population for 3 continent locks or at least a primary, secondary and tertiary fight for each empire they would be isolated, but with the pops we are expecting we either play fun or kill the game.

[GodlessHeretic]

I think Bedzike means that we can make 100 accounts to TK people who are acting like shits (godless), and to enforce the global KOS order for trolls and such.

I was going to leave this alone, but you guys seem to be getting the wrong idea here. I'm not really for or against any style of play. I was merely arguing one side of it. The difference between myself and another is that i don't expect anyone to fight "fair". So, i prepare for it.

On the note of your Gen-blower "justice": The troll in me is seriously tempted to do it, just so you can ponder the meaning of the word harassment while your suspended for a week. Nothing boils my blood more than cry-babies.

Actually once the population drops to the point you have 1 or almost 1 pop-locked continent the situations Mouse is talking about are incredibly common.

15 people trying to have a fight at a base and getting overrun by 20 maxes is not unheard of. That or seeing hot spots and responding as a small group to find gens in the 3 or 5 bases near them blown.

Good point. It sounds like if this MAX crash is occuring in a situation like this, then they're probably more interested in a larger conflict elsewhere. I don't know all the variables though, so it's just speculation on my part at best.

The problem is, we know the pop is going to be low to start with, and if 'winning' is happening at any cost, or in ways that are kinda pointless, ie avoiding the actual S in the FPS of the game, it gets pointless. When the game feels pointless people quit. When you have a low population and people quit you don't have a game.

I agree with you. I mentioned it previously, but i was arguing an opposing side of an issue, that's it. I understand how escalation works. However, if there's a higher objective at stake (which would only occur in larger population scenarios anyway), expect me to do what it takes to meet that objective.

That is all anyone is asking. Please try and think of PLAYING the game. If you are just out to make circles change color on a map then play MSpaint.
It is a lot to ask, but it is little things.

How a game is played is a matter of perspective. Sniping might be considered lame to some, but that wouldn't stop you...would it? I'm not saying a 'play to win' mentality it's right exactly, but i am saying that it's your/your teams job to stop these things from happening that detract from your fun instead of complaining about it later.

Killing a router exploit and reporting the exploiter even if it is on your own empire.

I would and usually do.

TK and report barcode hackers and the like

TK? No. Report? You bet.

Name and Shame in Global chat people doing douche things like draining an entire continent.

This is fine, but going out of your way to kill them won't fix anything. There's always another fight to focus on. If there isn't, than one asshat ruining one fight should be the least of your concern.

All things that if we had enough population for 3 continent locks or at least a primary, secondary and tertiary fight for each empire they would be isolated, but with the pops we are expecting we either play fun or kill the game.

It's all speculation until it's FTP.

[Minigun]

I would think a fully free to play game would get us more than a single poplock depending on how loud we are and how many friends we have.

Look at CS 1.6 that game is 14 years old and still has a massive player base and new people are still trying it out.

500+ shouldn't be too hard to obtain in the first month or so.

[Death2All]

I would think a fully free to play game would get us more than a single poplock depending on how loud we are and how many friends we have.

Look at CS 1.6 that game is 14 years old and still has a massive player base and new people are still trying it out.

500+ shouldn't be too hard to obtain in the first month or so.

It's all a matter of getting the word out there. As of right now there haven't been any mass emails sent out or any official word other than a post on a nearly unknown SOE site.

Although even last year, despite the abruptness of the announcement that the game had gone F2P, there was a semi-decent pop in the game. We've had a little more breathing room and time to spread the word, so there could possibly be more pop back this time. I still hope that an official email is sent out to all past subscribers. Only so many people read these forums and not everyone who played PS1 keeps in touch with everyone else, so word of mouth is only so useful.

[bedzike]

well we can ask gm Praesum if he is willing to send out the mass email. I'm trying to open ticket and ask for his personal email and a way to contact him, with any concerns us the players have since he pretty much is the only person we need to have contact with since he is the lead gm for ps1 now. but like always the ticket system isn't working right now so I have to wait until it works to send him a ticket. any1 have any other concerns that I can ask him or question so we can have all the answers we want b4 the game goes live on the 16th

[Minigun]

Ask them if the 10 year terms of service accounts can have fusion blades. I always wanted one lol.

[GodlessHeretic]

Screw that.

I want a brick.

[ShockFC]

It's cute watching you all get stuck in the past. PS1 was not a great game, the community made it great. Sounds an awful lot like PS2 right now.

[Babyfark McGeez]

When you have played PS2 for a bit PS1 seems more like "future" instead of "past" concerning gameplay.
Besides people also still play Counterstrike (yes, the old one), and atleast for me, as long as something is fun, i don't care how old it is and certainly don't see it as being "stuck in the past".

[Minigun]

But the graphics suck noob...

On a serious note, you can make something shinny and claim its "newness" but no amount of shinny can make up for lack of substance.

Avid cs1.6 player here, this new generation of games is hitting all the wrong notes and merely targeting the "oh so shinny" playerbase. Then the shine wears off and the game is forgotten.

Meanwhile PS1 lives on.

If anyone talks about ps2 10 years from now please come back and correct me.

[ShockFC]

Thing is, Counterstrike and all those games actually still have players that play with a fairly thriving community. Most of the PS1 community has moved over to PS2. In my opinion, that is what makes a game nostalgic or great for a lot of people - it's the experience with other players. Most of the people have moved on now, for better or worse.

I loved PS1 as well, I played for nearly 10 years. If the game was still thriving I'd probably still log in and play, the problem is that it's not and it never will be again. The brunt of that community and that experience is right here in PS2 - come join us.

[Minigun]

I respectfully decline your offer to play Call of Battleside: Zebra edition

I think more people are coming back than expected. Even if only for a short time.

[Babyfark McGeez]

You're right about the population thing shock. But PS1 allready was a ghost town long before PS2, i was allways under the impression the reason for that was the sub and that "nobody plays it so i won't sub for it" vicious cycle.

However i'm not so sure if the majority of PS1 vets still plays PS2. When i stopped playing regulary back in december (sorry umvs guys :/ ) there were still some to be found. But during my latest ventures into PS2 i don't think i even saw a single "veteran" title, let alone familiar names or faces.

And i'm afraid i have to politely decline the PS2 offer aswell, i simply could not find any "planetside-ish" experience there anymore.
Back when we didn't have threshold capping and some really awesome last stands, i have to say it was there for a bit. But now...yawnz. Last time i played it was like playing a lobby shooter with uneven teams, not to mention ad pop ups and gamebreaking bugs galore...nah man, gotta pass here. :p

As for "Free PS1", i guess we just have to wait and see how it turns out to be population wise.

[Arkaiden]

The banned weapons things is pretty hilarious to me.

Have we forgotten just how ridiculous the TR AV MAX is? Able to, pretty much by itself, camp a tower or base spawn. Or the fact that the only good Vanu MAX is AA and even that isn't all that great. Or the fact that of the heavy weapons the Lasher is leagues behind the rest.

Just play the freaking game how you want to.

[Effective]

Well this thread exploded. I don't think planetside will last very long myself. So I don't see anything wrong with asking people to be reasonable in terms of "acceptable behavior". Of course what is and isn't acceptable is up for debate on some topics.

Some things are kinda obvious on "unacceptable" side of things.
Like does anyone seriously think that spawn camping is a good idea? Like deliberately leaving the tubes up and killing people as they spawn? It's one thing to kill people as they spawn while you're killing the tubes.

Very least I'll be around during the 1st day and maybe a little longer depending on populations.

The banned weapons things is pretty hilarious to me.

Have we forgotten just how ridiculous the TR AV MAX is? Able to, pretty much by itself, camp a tower or base spawn. Or the fact that the only good Vanu MAX is AA and even that isn't all that great. Or the fact that of the heavy weapons the Lasher is leagues behind the rest.

Just play the freaking game how you want to.

The Pounder is fantastic at killing vehicles (but meh at killing infantry without overdrive), but the comet is hands down better at killing other max units (but meh at killing vehicles at a distance), and the falcon is essentially a second AI max for NC.

The Quasar isn't all that bad (jumpjets can make it really difficult to fight against), the Cycler without overdrive is completely worthless against anything but infantry with no AV.

The lasher is more difficult to use than the other heavy weapons, but still has better range than the jackhammer and more DPS than a MCG.

[GodlessHeretic]

So I don't see anything wrong with asking people to be reasonable in terms of "acceptable behavior". Of course what is and isn't acceptable is up for debate on some topics.

I don't either exactly...it just seems like a waste of time to mention to anyone but those in your own outfit. At least on that level it can be imposed through some medium of authority. It can "stick".

Some things are kinda obvious on "unacceptable" side of things.
Like does anyone seriously think that spawn camping is a good idea? Like deliberately leaving the tubes up and killing people as they spawn? It's one thing to kill people as they spawn while you're killing the tubes.

I'd consider it a means of neutralization. More like an attack on morale than anything else. At Planetsides' peak, i might've understood it. Now? Nah. Just blow the tubes. Take the fight elsewhere and quit wasting time.

The Pounder is fantastic at killing vehicles (but meh at killing infantry without overdrive), but the comet is hands down better at killing other max units (but meh at killing vehicles at a distance), and the falcon is essentially a second AI max for NC.

+1

Two anchored Pounders will kill a GV BFR before it can move. 2-3 in favorable terrain and with the right support will create a vehicular no-mans land in at least a 100-150 meter radius around them.

Comets make me laugh. You're better off certing AV and suiting up in REXO.

The Quasar isn't all that bad (jumpjets can make it really difficult to fight against), the Cycler without overdrive is completely worthless against anything but infantry with no AV.

+1 again.

Simply put, VS MAXs can be places that MAXs generally wouldn't be without a marked effort in support. That's what makes them just as dangerous as a Scat MAX. I used to follow outfit-mates around in a Quasar, simply because i could meet them at the top of almost any tower or base, was almost fast enough to keep pace, and i could soak shots and provide a MAJOR distraction to keep them alive. So much badass.

The lasher is more difficult to use than the other heavy weapons, but still has better range than the jackhammer and more DPS than a MCG.

I liked the old Lasher. The perfect crowd-killer.

[KrazyJester]

People could try appealing to popular PS2 YouTubers to state that it is going free to play and to try it out. PlanetSide 2 Content Creators (YouTubers and Twitchtv) - Resource List - YouTube. A list of most of them right here. Its worth a shot when the combine 4k plus to each of their videos.

[Hehateme]

I respectfully decline your offer to play Call of Battleside: Zebra edition
.
Lmao I think I love you.
But Shock is correct, the majority of Planetside players have moved on. Whether that be PS2, another actual good game, or just don't play much of anything anymore.

Also shock, you seen visi as of late?

[Death2All]

Hot steaming turd of a thread aside, bump.

[bedzike]

trxeffect is a c#ck sucker who stream snipes for os kills so he is an unfair f#cker whos whole outfit used the wasp bug today like f#cking c#ck suckers. so did delta traids f#cking pos A##es

[infy]

Inb4 ban

[bedzike]

Why would i be banned. I didnt curse those words could be anything and my message is clearly just my opinion and freedom of speech covers that on any message i write. So inb4 you looking like a dumb@ss

[Crator]

I wasn't aware cursing on these forums was against the rules. Now, the rule that was broken was that you trolled/flamed another person...

Freedom of speech covers you only in regards to the government. Meaning the government wouldn't lock you up in jail or fine you just because you said something.

[bedzike]

Crator i clearly expressing my opinion. And i have video proof to back it up. Both trx and dt are lucky they arent banning expoilters cuz those two sad cheating outfit be out about 10 members each.

[Effective]

trxeffect is a c#ck sucker who stream snipes for os kills so he is an unfair f#cker whos whole outfit used the wasp bug today like f#cking c#ck suckers. so did delta traids f#cking pos A##es

No, you're not the first gal I've OS'd before, you won't be the last. Tip, make it look like you're going to drop on the roof, but continue to back door. Or vice versa. The only reason I didn't hesitate on dropping the OS on you guys was because the path you took for your drop didn't leave much to the imagination on where you were going. Amateurs.


Also, the only one who have wasp certed is Term and I almost positive he wouldn't pull a wasp on cyssor, while I know I didn't.

The only person I could see doing that is Reindeer (still skeptical), who doesn't give a shit anyways.

Edit: Also, I am skeptical that you have video evidence.

[Crator]

Crator i clearly expressing my opinion. And i have video proof to back it up. Both trx and dt are lucky they arent banning expoilters cuz those two sad cheating outfit be out about 10 members each.

Understood. I was clearly defining what the forum rules are. I don't believe there's a need for you to filter your curse words or be worried about using them because it isn't against the forum rules. However, trolling someone else is against the rules.

[bedzike]

f#ck u effect u did stream snipe or how else would of seen the gal that came out of nowhere and took no damage and check my stream page asshole its all on there so go f#ck yourself with a big black c#ck

aslong as u filter you're not cursing

and for the wasp I have video fucking proof check my stream page and I see no dt here defending their asses cuz their cheating asses

[Baneblade]

Link to the 'proof'?

[Effective]

f#ck u effect u did stream snipe or how else would of seen the gal that came out of nowhere and took no damage and check my stream page asshole its all on there so go f#ck yourself with a big black c#ck

aslong as u filter you're not cursing

and for the wasp I have video fucking proof check my stream page and I see no dt here defending their asses cuz their cheating asses

The "galaxy out of nowhere", not even a blind man would have missed that galaxy. Galaxies are loud and noisy, nevermind interlink radar. It doesn't take an expert to pull out a CUD, hit 4, set a marker on the center of a base and hit upload coordinates. From pulling out the CUD to launching the OS is about 4-5 seconds. Which was plently of time from spotting that galaxy 200 meters away obviously going for the roof.

I didn't even know you had a stream page until that hilarious tell you sent me. Why don't you actually link it and your evidence.

[xELx]

This is quite entertaining.

[Skittles]

For all the things you could of pointed at TRx back in the day, this is pretty comical for entertainment value present day.

The good times of people unfamiliar w/CUD mechanics/interlink capabilities CR5 chat. Hell just simple TS/Vent comms to fall on Stream sniping is hilarious. Stream sniping of PS1 no less. Awesome!!!

[Furber]

If we're on the topic of bads abusing the Wasp bug, I have some screenshot proof of AngleDT (and perhaps DemoMan, looking at the kill spam) in a wasp ruining a fight between TR and NC. I guess he just wanted more people to know how awful he is.

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129707754-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129707755-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129707756-4.jpg

And no, I don't expect SOE to do anything about it. If anything, the point of posting this is to prove to us all that there are terrible people out there who are more than willing to kill the game we all love.

Don't ever go back to Cyssor.

[angelphantasma]

http://i.imgur.com/izaazIH.png

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ljv37yGC1qcew6ao1_500.gif

[DarkSkyes]

I think that means that DT are nazis and the other players are ****, The Nazis make the players leave by the shiny exit, and the Asian girls are watching you.

[GodlessHeretic]

Just don't go to Cyssor you retards...

You know it's broken and you know people are you going exploit it.

Since i'm posting, i propose that everyone that pilots and guns a GG be murdered forever. Can we make that happen?

[Effective]

Why don't you actually link it and your evidence.

Thought so.

[Figment]

Uhm Bedzike, DT doesn't cheat. They use "experience and coordination".


Pretty much every experienced CR5 has OS'ed Gal drops, I personally OSed a Max crash once for somewhere between 15-24 kills, simply because I saw the first three maxes come up and realised they still needed someone to open the door - which - given the amount of CE at the BD - would have to be an infil. So I killed the infil as it was indeed just EMPing the mine at the door, then OSed on myself as the MAXes stormed into a locked door.

Hilarity ensued.


Similarly, see a full Galaxy? Three possible targets: top, front door or back door. Nobody goes front door, so likely top or back door. Report it on /c, aim for one of them, see someone else place the other marker, then time with the Galaxy speed.


Smart groups do a pass-over before they drop, or change direction last second.

You cannot know if you have or have not been spotted, but you should always expect people to see a Galaxy coming from afar.


The only reasonably reliable way to do surprise drops is with a Sunderer. And then not one, but two or three to clear the CE and making use of the hills and a backstab like flank route to prevent people seeing you too soon and before they can work out the target.

[Effective]

Don't bother Figgy, bedzike is completely incapable of seeing reason.

Actually reminds me of the time I got another PG gal drop with a CR4 OS at the back door, They couldn't get inside fast enough because I had blocked the door off with a spitfire turret :3.

[Hippo]

This is why I love Planetside. Some great tells from people that don't have a total grasp of the game.

[Figment]

Btw, Hippo, not entirely sure who it was (think it was Sk8erboy) who complimented you on your CE layout at Vidar. :)

Something along the lines of: "hey this guy is really experienced with his CE, damn it's a pain to work through".

It's things like that, or the experience to formulate a plan upon noticing that if someone pulls an AMS in a target base with cave lock thus can't get out, you should just wait in the spot where he'll most likely park it (BFR term area) and get out to shoot the driver *shakes fist*, then jack the AMS, that a lot of players simply don't appreciate.

And no, I won't stop EMP blasting your mines, damnit. ;)

[bedzike]

You can all talk shot but its funny to see hippo try to kill someone with his horrible aimanymore. And for effect what happen to your outfit? That's right they were kicked for cheating. I too can get a edge on players let me download a torrent while I play PS and get 300 ping and never get hit simple enough but why do that when I can just open up cheat engine and teleport around and rof and cod hack.this game has no cheat detection never did never will. So I could just go on ***********.de and download a hack or damncheaters.com and buy hacks. Or play legit and have players like you who use torrents to get high ping. My game runs at 1k fps so no one warps on my screen so there no need for me to have a competitive edge everyone ten times easier now that I Dont have a 4 sec delay.

[SgtMAD]

You can all talk shot but its funny to see hippo try to kill someone with his horrible aimanymore. And for effect what happen to your outfit? That's right they were kicked for cheating. I too can get a edge on players let me download a torrent while I play PS and get 300 ping and never get hit simple enough but why do that when I can just open up cheat engine and teleport around and rof and cod hack.this game has no cheat detection never did never will. So I could just go on ***********.de and download a hack or damncheaters.com and buy hacks. Or play legit and have players like you who use torrents to get high ping. My game runs at 1k fps so no one warps on my screen so there no need for me to have a competitive edge everyone ten times easier now that I Dont have a 4 sec delay.

Man, you are just wrong about everything,TRx wasn't banned, Hippo is just that much better than you playing a game that we all broke down a decade ago.

You are part of a crowd that I that thought had died off in PS, the forum whiner,ppl that could never compete in the game so they spent more time on the forums crying than actually playing.

[Figment]

You can all talk shot but its funny to see hippo try to kill someone with his horrible aimanymore.

Funny, his aim and timing seems fine to me.

And for effect what happen to your outfit? That's right they were kicked for cheating.

No, they wern't...

I too can get a edge on players let me download a torrent while I play PS and get 300 ping and never get hit simple enough but why do that when I can just open up cheat engine and teleport around and rof and cod hack.this game has no cheat detection never did never will.

I get 170-240ms ping for just being in Europe (my word, do I miss the 15ms ping to Werner...). I do hope you also realise that your own ping adds to his? Because if it takes a server package 0.15 seconds to reach you (150ms ping) and it takes 0.15 seconds after that to arrive at Hippo, that you'll effectively have a 300ms ping?

SOE tried a cheat detection system, but it didn't work since it is hard to determine what third person programs are running.

And...

Because even legit people can simply live far away and because they all use different hardware and have different connections, standardising and good detection is virtually impossible... And no. Other games often don't have proper cheat detection either.

So I could just go on ***********.de and download a hack or damncheaters.com and buy hacks. Or play legit and have players like you who use torrents to get high ping.

Actually, most hackers are players that argued like you did just now... "Everyone else cheats, so I should cheat as well to compete". :/ The entire idea that someone might just be better OR has a legit, natural, yet annoying ping (dis)advantage is not considered the most reasonable assumption by too many people that argue in this way.


My game runs at 1k fps so no one warps on my screen so there no need for me to have a competitive edge everyone ten times easier now that I Dont have a 4 sec delay.

My game runs at 300 frames per second, but the amount of frames per second my pc produces does not reduce the length of the Trans-Atlantic and cross-continent cables...

If people aren't lagging on your screen, it just means you have a good ping to the server (and that they probably do too). Since lag is not something you can compensate for with a pc.

The only thing you can compensate for with a pc is stutter and package handling on your end.

[bedzike]

You don't know hippo then. I can kill everyone in the game now. I used to be callers bad player but why can I kill everyone that called me bad with ease? And for the ping issue planetside runs on client side ping. And also clientside hit detection. So if your ping is over 300 you have an advantage over someone with 90 ping. Since you warp and bug out on others screen. Also PS had a hack detection for trials accounts. Also with trx why did the spilt then why did topdawg kick everyone and make a new outfit and the rest make blades? Also for the hacking sites. Most players can make a hack just by following a tutorial but a person who can code cave and go through the code and make hacks like pull rof no reload teleport is someone that should be hired to stop hackers. But doesn't see how easy it is to hack there games. as for planetside if u want to know get cof here is info 1.5 and .75 with a handgun which is common place to know if you Players planetside since 03 or infinite afterburner is 5 and 0 that will help players who don't know common knowledge about this game.

[Figment]

I think I'm one of the few non-DT players who knows DT pretty damn well as opponents. Sorry Bedzike, but from the sounds of it, you don't. :/

Been observing them cloaked for a couple years. They run a tight ship with all decent, social players that elevate each other to a higher level. One on one, they're simply good. But put them in a group and their social skills show: their teamwork trumps that of most other groups who are either too unorganised, too inexperienced, too cocky or naieve or simply too ego-centric to beat them.


To take 'm out you have to know their organisational weak and blindspots and weaken as many of them at the same time as possible so your teammates can finish them off before they get a chance to cover for or restore one another or themselves.

But above all... Be as unpredictable as you can be and don't for the love of all that's sacred to you let them know your tricks! :p

Think it's save to say I'm one of the few peops they've learned to change their organisational tactics for once they know I'm around. >.>








As for the rest, you're working off assumptions a lot. :/ Assumptions are the mother of all mess-ups.

[bedzike]

Dt used to be good but they can barely call themselves an outfit max players they have on are 3 which can't do much other then max crash. Which gets stopped in its tracks with a few good placed decis. So don't say they are good they are not. Actually funny they are bad players who just max crash everything now. They are the new AT of the server. I beat every single one of them 1v1 with a Lasher when they played tr. IM a NC main. Lasher is the worst heavy weapon why can I best 1v2 against mcgs in a tower that they control IM pushing down. After I beat them geuss what lovely ai max came running up the stairs to stop me from hacking the tower. Since it takes skill top use maxes. I refused too cert max for that reason. Or how angel uses wasp to get kills on cyssor shot him down in mine moments later after pulling it.

[Hippo]

Dt used to be good but they can barely call themselves an outfit max players they have on are 3 which can't do much other then max crash. Which gets stopped in its tracks with a few good placed decis. So don't say they are good they are not. Actually funny they are bad players who just max crash everything now. They are the new AT of the server. I beat every single one of them 1v1 with a Lasher when they played tr. IM a NC main. Lasher is the worst heavy weapon why can I best 1v2 against mcgs in a tower that they control IM pushing down. After I beat them geuss what lovely ai max came running up the stairs to stop me from hacking the tower. Since it takes skill top use maxes. I refused too cert max for that reason. Or how angel uses wasp to get kills on cyssor shot him down in mine moments later after pulling it.

Well I guess we accomplished what we set out to do then. We felt really sad not to have AT around doing max crashes so DT decided to step up to the plate. Tactically awesome!

I'll be first to admit my aim definitely isn't what it was 10 years ago, though 1v1 I still don't have too many issues. Unfortunately I've long since grown up, moved on and like Ive said before... I play for fun and laughs. You might bring HA to a fight to stroke your ego but I'll gladly dawn a suppressor and have a much more enjoyable time.

DT doesn't need to prove anything to anyone (nor does TRx or anyother player or outfit). But if it will help you sleep at night.... You are a superior player and I am forced to use cheap tactics to face you on the battlefield. I'm nothing more than a max whoring, plasma tossing terribad player.

[Huntsab]

Bedzike wielding only a Jackhammer of course you can beat anyone, especially if you get the jump on them. However I have yet to see you do half as well on TR and VS. in fact you were free kills. You are dissing players that can pwn on any empire. you my sad little maxfit friend can only play one empire. Everyone does well on NC. Sit down and hush.

[bedzike]

what maxfit friend cuz I play with munroe and x1shotkills and neither of them use maxes. and if u read I used lasher and sweep thru them. and lasher you have to land every hit since the aoe is nothing anymore. and sorry my vs and tr are only br 16-19 and don't even have rexo on them lol or eng or medic. so how can you say I can be good when you can only take on maybe 3 ppl in agile b4 u get killed. sad you wish you knew the facts.

[PrISM]

what maxfit friend cuz I play with munroe and x1shotkills and neither of them use maxes. and if u read I used lasher and sweep thru them. and lasher you have to land every hit since the aoe is nothing anymore. and sorry my vs and tr are only br 16-19 and don't even have rexo on them lol or eng or medic. so how can you say I can be good when you can only take on maybe 3 ppl in agile b4 u get killed. sad you wish you knew the facts.

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i49/5/7/30/frabz-Boy-you-might-be-legally-retarded-d9b076.jpg

[Effective]

Yeah, I thought as much. You shouldn't throw accusations out and say "look at the evidence" then never post it, it makes you look a little foolish. Nice deflecting away from that though.

I've responded as best I could, hard to get this all translated to English though.

And for effect what happen to your outfit? That's right they were kicked for cheating. I too can get a edge on players let me download a torrent while I play PS and get 300 ping and never get hit simple enough but why do that when I can just open up cheat engine and teleport around and rof and cod hack.this game has no cheat detection never did never will. So I could just go on ***********.de and download a hack or damncheaters.com and buy hacks. Or play legit and have players like you who use torrents to get high ping. My game runs at 1k fps so no one warps on my screen so there no need for me to have a competitive edge everyone ten times easier now that I Dont have a 4 sec delay.

I'm guessing you're trying to say TRx was banned. No we haven't been. Simply put, we'd stop playing to play other games. For example I went and played League of Legends, but other then that? At least a group of us will try nearly every major release and give it a shot.

High ping is awful to play at actually. Try torrenting and playing at the same time, and then say something. I was stuck at 250+ Ping (with ping spikes into the 14k range and loss) for awhile because I used to connect through a wireless usb modem (dorm internet was awful during prime time). Yes, I had more inconsistent warping, but it would take me 30-50 shots to kill a rexo (as opposed to 13-15). When I finally got a stable connection it was so much better.

As far as cheating is concerned, TRx has never condoned cheating.
Congratz on 1k fps, but that really doesn't affect warping buddy.

You don't know hippo then. I can kill everyone in the game now. I used to be callers bad player but why can I kill everyone that called me bad with ease? And for the ping issue planetside runs on client side ping. And also clientside hit detection. So if your ping is over 300 you have an advantage over someone with 90 ping. Since you warp and bug out on others screen. Also PS had a hack detection for trials accounts. Also with trx why did the spilt then why did topdawg kick everyone and make a new outfit and the rest make blades? Also for the hacking sites. Most players can make a hack just by following a tutorial but a person who can code cave and go through the code and make hacks like pull rof no reload teleport is someone that should be hired to stop hackers. But doesn't see how easy it is to hack there games. as for planetside if u want to know get cof here is info 1.5 and .75 with a handgun which is common place to know if you Players planetside since 03 or infinite afterburner is 5 and 0 that will help players who don't know common knowledge about this game.

No you can't. Claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence IMO.

High ping isn't an advantage.

Didn't you just say Planetside doesn't have hack detection?

TRx split because of differing ideologies on how the clan should be run. So rather than kick everyone out of TRx he and core members split off into what's now Horizon.

I can't read the rest, need english translation please.

Lasher is the worst heavy weapon why can I best 1v2 against mcgs in a tower that they control IM pushing down.

There is no worst HA weapon. The lasher is the hardest to use yes. But it has a faster TTK than the MCG and more range than the JH. There are so many variables in that scenario that could have caused a failing at 1v2. Most likely they missed shots or you got the jump on them.

The rest of this post was nonsensical so I went ahead and ignored it.

what maxfit friend cuz I play with munroe and x1shotkills and neither of them use maxes. and sorry my vs and tr are only br 16-19 and don't even have rexo on them lol or eng or medic. so how can you say I can be good when you can only take on maybe 3 ppl in agile b4 u get killed. sad you wish you knew the facts.

Praetorian Guard has been quite consistent in their max usage, they're not nearly as bad as say AT, but they're not exactly a max free outfit. I'm almost positive I've seen munroe (maybe I'm thinking of a different munroe) in a max before, though I don't think it was an AI max, it's been so long I can't remember nor does it really actually matter. Who is the other? I don't really see how any of this matters at this point though.

Yes every character starts at lower BR and has to work their way up.

Taking on multiple people and winning is only relevant if the players are actually competent, other wise it's just noob stomping. Before we get too deep into that, "claims without evidence can be dismissed without evidence".

Here's some advice.

1. Putting a little more effort into your spelling/grammar will make you at least easier to understand. People will also take you a little more seriously (though the content of your post will still need to be good)

2. Don't make wild claims and accusations, whether it be through tells or forums. All it is screenshot material for the person you accused to laugh at later, which I will, thanks :P.

3. Baseless boasting, especially in a very old dead game is silly.

[TopDawg]

Actually I posted on the OF why TRx parted ways; it had nothing to do with hacking or cheating. The group was simply pulling in separate directions, and each group was better off pursuing its own interests rather than bickering amongst each other.

While the nostalgia blast has had moments of genuine fun, the truth is the game is dated and just as broken as when SOE left it to die originally. Unfortunately PS2 has none of the elements that made PS1 so lasting (barring the obviously broken things that, in the end, lead to its death) and I have trouble getting into a mere glorified deathmatch when I prefer UT style games for that.

It seems unlikely at this point that any game will ever come along to take PS' place, either because there's not a big enough market in it (and perhaps there never was) or simply because it's a forgotten relic of times gone by. Either way, dwelling on a dead game doesn't really do anyone any good, and unfortunately it's not the job of the players to be policemen; it's the job of the devs to create game mechanics that promote not only healthy gameplay, but the longevity of the game as well.

Anyway though, I'm hoping Star Citizen, The Division, and The Crew will at least be pretty good games to play. Only time will tell.

[bedzike]

Since PG came back to ps have we pulled maxes no. In the past yes but so did everyone else. Can't say you Havnt pulled a max cuz that's a BS lie. Topdawg and effect would switch from rexo to max if you jumped them at a cert term. As for cheating.... Both outfits openly admit to the use of the wasp. Which by does standards is a bannable action. I openly use wasp after my Reaver was shot down by Dt and trx I inverted my Reaver and ran a terror on everything that moved. And got hate tells from trxcougar if IM correct saying I am the reason the community is bad even tho his outfit shot me down 5 mins before that in a wasp. Also effect you just admitted to using a torrent to get higher ping. So its fair if I make a lag switch and use it to get the edge on everyone? Since you use a torrent. Or can I hack to get the edge since a torrent wouldn't do nothing to me unless I had 50 of them downloading?

[SgtMAD]

Since PG came back to ps have we pulled maxes no. In the past yes but so did everyone else. Can't say you Havnt pulled a max cuz that's a BS lie. Topdawg and effect would switch from rexo to max if you jumped them at a cert term. As for cheating.... Both outfits openly admit to the use of the wasp. Which by does standards is a bannable action. I openly use wasp after my Reaver was shot down by Dt and trx I inverted my Reaver and ran a terror on everything that moved. And got hate tells from trxcougar if IM correct saying I am the reason the community is bad even tho his outfit shot me down 5 mins before that in a wasp. Also effect you just admitted to using a torrent to get higher ping. So its fair if I make a lag switch and use it to get the edge on everyone? Since you use a torrent. Or can I hack to get the edge since a torrent wouldn't do nothing to me unless I had 50 of them downloading?

so this guy is in PG?

its so hard to tell what he is trying to say.

he still thinks TRx is running around ganking him.

there was only one famous cheater in TRx and I gave that guy shit every time he opened his mouth in TR /C,it was so much goddamn fun at the time.

the idea that DT had to cheat is comical,its almost as funny as the fact that after a decade we still have ppl crying on the forums about all this crap

[Effective]

Since PG came back to ps have we pulled maxes no. In the past yes but so did everyone else. Can't say you Havnt pulled a max cuz that's a BS lie. Topdawg and effect would switch from rexo to max if you jumped them at a cert term. As for cheating.... Both outfits openly admit to the use of the wasp. Which by does standards is a bannable action. I openly use wasp after my Reaver was shot down by Dt and trx I inverted my Reaver and ran a terror on everything that moved. And got hate tells from trxcougar if IM correct saying I am the reason the community is bad even tho his outfit shot me down 5 mins before that in a wasp. Also effect you just admitted to using a torrent to get higher ping. So its fair if I make a lag switch and use it to get the edge on everyone? Since you use a torrent. Or can I hack to get the edge since a torrent wouldn't do nothing to me unless I had 50 of them downloading?

Like I said, does it even really matter?

I have not denied pulling a max, though I know I don't live in one (Like Galse for example). Topdawg doesn't even have max certed. I doubt anyone in Horizon has used a wasp, or that anyone admitted to using it. The only ones who have it certed are people who are BR40. I cannot speak for any TRx players in the Blades.

I doubt Cougar sent you hate tells. He might have, but I doubt it. Thanks for admitting you have double standards though. You send hate tells AND use the wasp. Good job with that.

No, as I said, I have played at high ping because I used to play on what's called a USB wireless modem. Cell phone companies offer them on a plan (I got mine through Verizon/Alltel). The internet provided wasn't great, but it was better than the Dorm internet I had access too at the time.

That being said, yes I played once while torrenting. It took me about 5 minutes to figure out why I was lagging so much only to discover I had left a torrent running. Turned it off and everything was instantly better. Your lack of knowledge in this subject is really sad.

Good job deflecting away from not having the evidence you claimed to have again.

[Huntsab]

Bedzike I rest my case. You play exclusively NC, because they are the easy empire. Dissing other people because you killed them with a JH. other players that have dominated, with all the other weapons, and not just with the JH. Your spammy, max pulling failfit use cheap tactics to win. hug that max and spam those thumpers. You complain when DT pull maxes lol. Come play VS for a while and see how many maxes NC throw at you. Look at Bedzike he can 2 shot an agile before he even comes on their screen, he must pwn hard. lol Jeez.

[bedzike]

Bedzike I rest my case. You play exclusively NC, because they are the easy empire. Dissing other people because you killed them with a JH. other players that have dominated, with all the other weapons, and not just with the JH. Your spammy, max pulling failfit use cheap tactics to win. hug that max and spam those thumpers. You complain when DT pull maxes lol. Come play VS for a while and see how many maxes NC throw at you. Look at Bedzike he can 2 shot an agile before he even comes on their screen, he must pwn hard. lol Jeez.

first off my first account that was banned I was a br25 cr4 TR main. when do I ever use thumper I don't even have special assault on any account. I use deci..... I play tr and vs a lot lately since they had low pops. I played vs day 2 of planetside going f2p and first hate tell was from concentacted telling me to go back to nc. then he switched to nc and I beat him 3-5 times with a lasher. and I don't max certed on any chara on any of my many accounts......... hug a max no1 in my outfit runs max.......... and I could beat u with an amp against any weapon of your choice. lol stay in your max hunt

as for you effect aren't blades ex trx members so if they do anything bad that still means it a bad look on trx outfit. and for the wasp I recerted after being shot down by a trx. so yes I will openly say I used wasp when it went f2p for 6 months and killed maybe 30-50 tanks and aircraft that day. and when it went f2p again I did that again after I was shot down in my reaver....... so no I didn't cert it right away I made a pact I wouldn't use it until I was killed in it

[Effective]

I cannot speak for any TRx players in the Blades.

They are free to play however they want, they're adults.

That being said, I am highly skeptical that they would play in a malicious fashion.

[Baneblade]

TRx doesn't hack, they don't need to.

There was a time I had wished they did, but that was so I could GMFrag em lol.

[Skittles]

as for you effect aren't blades ex trx members so if they do anything bad that still means it a bad look on trx outfit. and for the wasp I recerted after being shot down by a trx. so yes I will openly say I used wasp when it went f2p for 6 months and killed maybe 30-50 tanks and aircraft that day. and when it went f2p again I did that again after I was shot down in my reaver....... so no I didn't cert it right away I made a pact I wouldn't use it until I was killed in it

Wow, you're a hypocritical ass. You point fingers at them for wasping around and then turn right the fuck around and say you not only re-certed, but then went on to kill not only them, but another 30-50 random people with the same damn thing you're complaining about.

Buy a vowel and solve the puzzle you jackass. Complaining about shit one person does while doing the exact same thing they did doesn't place you ABOVE them. Reminds me of Bale telling Cooper about having bigger balls because he's more willing to steal more valuable items.

[bedzike]

skittles if u see what I said I was killed first so that make everything fair game. and hey why not run terror in the air if everyone else is. just cuz I killed a few unknowns doesn't matter I killed haymarker on ps1 and sent him a tell saying you need medkits and to get equipment from term. does that make me better then him or just make him a noob and me a vet? what I did was out of spite so yes if u can steal 1b would you or would you steal 10b cmon everyones going to say 10b since the numbers are bigger

[DemoMan]

I believe my IQ just dropped a few points...

[Figment]

skittles if u see what I said I was killed first so that make everything fair game.

No, it doesn't.


If you have any moral standards, no, it doesn't.


Imagine you've been killed by a hacker, once. Does that make it okay to kill everyone else using hacks because you got killed "first"?

THAT is your reasoning here: If ONE other person exploits against you, it means it's 100% fine for YOU to exploit against EVERYONE ELSE.

Seriously? And you want to compare ethical e-peens with other people?




For the record, I haven't used the AI MAX and the Jackhammer since one day in 2004 and maybe one day of balance change testing in 2008. Why? Because I felt it was too easy. Same can be said about the BFRs. I simply refuse to use things I feel are OP and I refuse to abuse exploits like the Routerpad bugs. And that's in-game, "working as intended" (according to devs) weapons.

You though? You get shot down once. ONCE. And you immediately start justifying to yourself how it is suddenly your right to kill (a lot of) OTHER PEOPLE than the person that killed you, by exploiting.


Seriously? YOU want to complain about the ethics of someone else?

[bedzike]

Fig when did I say you used a max..... IM talking at huntsab who only sits in max. And as for the jh, the sweeper is just as good. Just need 1 more shot to kill someone. And bfr are crap anymore. 2 clips with lancer kills them from full health. And also jh is only good at point blank range. Like Mcg is long range and Lasher is medium range. Also hacking is something that is useless in planetside. As it already dieing anyway. Hacking was big when reserves came back. When there was a pop lock on two or more conts. You can't even get on one pop lock now. And wasp is semi fixed now so there is no Dt running around in them. Just there aa or ai maxes camping pads or rushing spawn rooms. Demo your IQ went down the moment you got the wasp in a dieing game and used it to control the air with one tower and just dt on cont since vs were on ish. Shooting down everyone until I got mine shot you down and took your tower. And you didn't come back for the rest of the night.....

[Hippo]

Fig when did I say you used a max..... IM talking at huntsab who only sits in max. And as for the jh, the sweeper is just as good. Just need 1 more shot to kill someone. And bfr are crap anymore. 2 clips with lancer kills them from full health. And also jh is only good at point blank range. Like Mcg is long range and Lasher is medium range. Also hacking is something that is useless in planetside. As it already dieing anyway. Hacking was big when reserves came back. When there was a pop lock on two or more conts. You can't even get on one pop lock now. And wasp is semi fixed now so there is no Dt running around in them. Just there aa or ai maxes camping pads or rushing spawn rooms. Demo your IQ went down the moment you got the wasp in a dieing game and used it to control the air with one tower and just dt on cont since vs were on ish. Shooting down everyone until I got mine shot you down and took your tower. And you didn't come back for the rest of the night.....

Most people have grown-up/matured since Planetside was popular... unfortunately not everyone it seems. So sad to see people get so worked up over a game, I do feel pity for you. Nows the time when Angel would offer you a hug.

[bedzike]

hippo cmon I have grown up been 11 years since it was released I was 11 then now im 22 why should I grow up I already work 9-5

[Baneblade]

You don't act like a grown up. You act like you are still a teenager.

[Effective]

hippo cmon I have grown up been 11 years since it was released I was 11 then now im 22 why should I grow up I already work 9-5

Physically being older doesn't mean you've matured.

[angelphantasma]

Nows the time when Angel would offer you a hug.

I don't offer those who have gone full retard a hug. Only those with a glimmer of hope of saving.

[Effective]

I don't offer those who have gone full retard a hug. Only those with a glimmer of hope of saving.

Am I worthy of being saved Angel?

[infy]

Ncbedzike is the best player, hands down.

[angelphantasma]

Am I worthy of being saved Angel?

/Hugs.

Just don't be mean like TopDawg and we can avoid this (http://i.minus.com/i2viIOftIxbgO.gif)!

[DemoMan]

Fig when did I say you used a max..... IM talking at huntsab who only sits in max. And as for the jh, the sweeper is just as good. Just need 1 more shot to kill someone. And bfr are crap anymore. 2 clips with lancer kills them from full health. And also jh is only good at point blank range. Like Mcg is long range and Lasher is medium range. Also hacking is something that is useless in planetside. As it already dieing anyway. Hacking was big when reserves came back. When there was a pop lock on two or more conts. You can't even get on one pop lock now. And wasp is semi fixed now so there is no Dt running around in them. Just there aa or ai maxes camping pads or rushing spawn rooms. Demo your IQ went down the moment you got the wasp in a dieing game and used it to control the air with one tower and just dt on cont since vs were on ish. Shooting down everyone until I got mine shot you down and took your tower. And you didn't come back for the rest of the night.....


It was definitely your superior skill as a player that kept us from coming back and laying waste to everything, not me talking angel out of going back because we were being gay. You are the best player ever, I submit to you sir.

[angelphantasma]

not me talking angel out of going back because we were being gay.

Someone has to control me, or else I'll just be an insane super villain.

[bedzike]

tell me why I would wanna a hug a dirty ***

[Babyfark McGeez]

You don't need a hug anyways, you need a slap.

[bedzike]

that will never happen..... since its the internet and you can say and do w.e you want

[Effective]

Well, I wouldn't say that 100% true. While you can say/do whatever you want, doesn't necessarily mean it won't catch up to you.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/29/texas-teen-facing-eight-years-after-violent-league-of-legends-threat/

[bedzike]

Well, I wouldn't say that 100% true. While you can say/do whatever you want, doesn't necessarily mean it won't catch up to you.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/06/29/texas-teen-facing-eight-years-after-violent-league-of-legends-threat/

that's when you know people gone to soft. that's what wrong with the world get tough skin and let shit go. damn pussy filled world. are all men turning to women with bloody tampons?

[Baneblade]

that's when you know people gone to soft. that's what wrong with the world get tough skin and let shit go. damn pussy filled world. are all men turning to women with bloody tampons?

You mean like whining about things you only imagine happened?

[ChipMHazard]

Not everyone has the vocabulary of a sailor that you apparently do :p

[Effective]

Not everyone has the vocabulary of a sailor that you apparently do :p


On that note, isn't it awfully dangerous to use one's vocabulary all in one sentence?

[bedzike]

funny thing is I have the same education level as congress. congress English scores at 9th grade levels. and their math is only 10th grade so im just as smart or even smarter.... so the people who make decision for you on laws are just as smart or dumber then common Americans..... just letting you know a fact

[Effective]

funny thing is I have the same education level as congress. congress English scores at 9th grade levels. and their math is only 10th grade so im just as smart or even smarter.... so the people who make decision for you on laws are just as smart or dumber then common Americans..... just letting you know a fact

Any other facts that I learned in middle school that you want to share?

[SgtMAD]

funny thing is I have the same education level as congress. congress English scores at 9th grade levels. and their math is only 10th grade so im just as smart or even smarter.... so the people who make decision for you on laws are just as smart or dumber then common Americans..... just letting you know a fact

10 years ago I would have taken this ridiculous statement apart word by word just to stress how truly idiotic it all is.

instead, I'll let this guy keep comparing himself to the US Congress,it's pretty funny to watch.

[bedzike]

look it up sgtmad. I'm 100% sure you will be taking those words and sticking them back in your mouth. google that. and after that I want you to say i'm sorry bedzike you are the supreme ruler of the NC and I will bow down to you and worship the ground my feet touch.