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Terik
2003-04-07, 04:42 PM
The Vanu don't use lasers, instead, they use particle beam weapons, plasma weapons, and some other weapons with strange characteristics like the lancer. If they did use lasers you would not beable to see the beams there weapons shoot unless you possition the retina of your eye directly infront of the beam. This is becuase all of the photon packets a laser beam is composed of travel in ONE direction. That is why you can't see the laser from a laser pointer or any other type of laser when trying to look at it from the side.

edit: Some grammar corrections.

RandoMTerroR
2003-04-07, 04:48 PM
yeah, your rigth... and it would also consume to much energy to use them too... plasma cannons is the path of the future baby, yeah !

Duffman
2003-04-07, 04:48 PM
WHo cares! get a life

Kilgs
2003-04-07, 04:49 PM
Gosh... thanks.

We really needed that clarification. ;)


:sniper:

Darksim
2003-04-07, 04:51 PM
THANK YOU!

Finally someone cleared it up

Terik
2003-04-07, 04:51 PM
Oh and sound weapons, create a high pitched high amplitude sound that'll shatter any enemy in the vicinity's ear drums cuasing extreme pain, brain dammage, and permanent deafness. :D

1024
2003-04-07, 05:10 PM
Dont overhtink the game, it ruins it.

simba
2003-04-07, 05:13 PM
who said they had lazers in the first place :confused:

The President
2003-04-07, 10:48 PM
Guys just makin a point, might not be the most essential post, but the guy is free to speak his mind.


-The President:sniper:

Rainer
2003-04-07, 10:55 PM
You CAN see laser pointers from the side
Do this:
Go create dust somewhere during the night make sure its A LOT of it and point the laser pointer into the cloud of dust and press button and wammo!

1024
2003-04-07, 11:02 PM
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/dropshipspike/1-17.jpg

Metroid
2003-04-07, 11:02 PM
Plasma weapons are theoretically liquid energy anyways, a laser rifle would be based off the same technology.. but the Vanu weapons are based off Vanu technology so who knows. :vsrocks:

The President
2003-04-07, 11:11 PM
Yeah, as Metroid said the VS use Vanu techonolgy. Thus whatever weapon systems they possess might not necessarily adhere to what weapons system a human would use. The Vanus dug the plasma/energy weapons.. Word.

-The President:sniper:

Terik
2003-04-07, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by Rainer
You CAN see laser pointers from the side
Do this:
Go create dust somewhere during the night make sure its A LOT of it and point the laser pointer into the cloud of dust and press button and wammo!

Yea but rainner, thats becuase the light is reflecting off of the particles, in a vacuum with no matter to obstruct the laser you cannot see it from the side.

Terik
2003-04-07, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Metroid
Plasma weapons are theoretically liquid energy anyways, a laser rifle would be based off the same technology.. but the Vanu weapons are based off Vanu technology so who knows. :vsrocks:

Sorry for double post.

Plasma is ionized gas, not liquid, the reason for it is, the higher somethings temperature becomes, the more the molecular bonds between it's particles begin to break down. With plasma there are almost NO bonds between it's particles becuase they all broke down which would make it a gas. Oh, and at plasma's temperature i'm certain that the temperature has far exceeded the evaporation point of whatever material is being ionized.

Rainer
2003-04-07, 11:37 PM
AHHH yes your right my bad terik thanks

�io
2003-04-07, 11:57 PM
Originally posted by Spike
http://www.angelfire.com/ex/dropshipspike/1-17.jpg

:lol: :stupid:

Camping Carl
2003-04-08, 12:09 AM
So, err... what do we call them, plasma beam shooter thingies?

It's not so much about which name fits, so much as which name is easier to understand. Cause when people think lasers, they think star wars, star trek kinda stuff. :)

Saint
2003-04-08, 03:24 AM
How about this!

http://carcino.gen.nz/images/image.php/463c5922/arguing.jpg

Ruthless
2003-04-08, 04:09 AM
but Terik, there IS no vacuum in PS. :rolleyes:

shodan
2003-04-08, 05:20 AM
I seriously can't believe you're arguing about fictional weapons in a computer game.

The game is based on an alien planet, with alien artifacts which was reached through a wormhole, there are tanks with two barrels, big huge hulking ships that can do vertical take-offs, people who can go invisible and armies dressed in, not camouflage, but teal/purple and blue/yellow. Oh and not forgetting that the soldiers are immortal and vehicles can be made out of thin air, in less than ten minutes, without a hammer or wrench in sight.

And the only problem with realism you have is whether one of the guns is reffered to as a laser or a particle beam weapon?

Happy lil Elf
2003-04-08, 11:29 AM
I think I know what post inspired this, but I'm too lasy to find it. Basically someone went off about how, and I quote "The vanu use LASERS! L-A-S-E-R-S!". Hell I can't blame him for posting this. There aren't any freaking lasers. Just call em energy weapons and leave it at that.

Oh and Star Trek is Phasors (if you're talking about the federation...hey ma I did learn somthing watching TNG) And Star Wars is primarily Blasters. :D

LesserShade
2003-04-08, 11:53 AM
The vanu are trying to take over :/
http://www.defensereview.com/352003/TIS1.pdf

cell.nerve
2003-04-08, 12:44 PM
How about we just call them fucking lasers and you all get over it. They only have 3 weapons that shoot lasers anyways so who cares I mean really. And non of them have armor piercing except for the lancer which is like the biggest fricken gun in the game. So it's prob of your best interests to use armor piercing bullets instead. And just think, in those areas that are packed with enemy troops... i dont think your going to use "a fricken laser" I think if you were smart you'd use "A FRICKEN GRENADE"

Revenant
2003-04-08, 12:46 PM
The VS weapons, invented by a Dr. Allen Pearsons, and so, the VS weapons program, known as the "Allen Pearsons Project", are "LASERS". Throw me a fricken bone here ppl!

:p

shodan
2003-04-08, 01:00 PM
:lol: although you forgot the death star bit :lol:

Deadlock
2003-04-08, 02:59 PM
k, so they're not lazers... how bout glorified flash lights?

jeez guys, bet u could also tell me the production date and number of the star trek where kurt tried to bang the green chicks

Happy lil Elf
2003-04-08, 03:07 PM
Nope. Just pointing out that a laser is a concentrated tightly controlled beam of light, not plasma, not funky alien technology_001. It's a rather simple thing and they don't exist is PS :D

Oberon
2003-04-08, 03:42 PM
Actually nerve, all of the vanu guns DO have AP mode. It uses the same ammunition, but it takes up twice as much energy.

Prefect
2003-04-08, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by Terik
If they did use lasers you would not beable to see the beams there weapons shoot unless you possition the retina of your eye directly infront of the beam. This is becuase all of the photon packets a laser beam is composed of travel in ONE direction. That is why you can't see the laser from a laser pointer or any other type of laser when trying to look at it from the side.


Thats not just specific to lasers, it applies to all forms of light. Can you see the light rays from a flashlight unless comes in contact with something (dust in the air, the ground, or whatever)? Nope. All the photons in a laser travelling in one direction has nothing to do with it not being able to be seen in a vaccuum.

Synergy
2003-04-08, 04:05 PM
thank you for taking the time to at least enlighten us. sadfully these forums seem to be goin the way of the OF with all the needless flaming lately

Camping Carl
2003-04-08, 04:53 PM
Actually nerve, all of the vanu guns DO have AP mode. It uses the same ammunition, but it takes up twice as much energy.

I'm pretty sure this is just the vanu pistol. :)

Happy lil Elf
2003-04-08, 04:58 PM
:huh:

Where are the flames? This board has a looooong way to go before anyone need to be worrying about it degenerating into pointless flame fests. Well unless you consider every smart ass joke a flame. Keep in mind a smart ass comment is usually just that. Don't take it seriously, lord knows the person making it probably isn't.

I'd be happy to demonstrate a real flame, but I don't know what the mods rules are on profanity and/or personal attacks and I'm too lazy to look :p

Oberon
2003-04-08, 05:41 PM
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Actually nerve, all of the vanu guns DO have AP mode. It uses the same ammunition, but it takes up twice as much energy.
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I'm pretty sure this is just the vanu pistol. :)
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I'm pretty sure it isent. I asked around before I made the post.

Matuse
2003-04-08, 05:44 PM
According to the official information at the planetside website in the weapons section, only the pistol has the ability to change firing modes. Until that is contradicted by someone in beta, or a SOE employee, I'll take their word over yours.

Oberon
2003-04-08, 06:06 PM
Okay, so mabey the people I asked wernt the the smartest...


Perhaps AP mode isent applicible to the Lasher and Lancer...But what about the Pulsar? I don't see why it couldent/shouldent have an AP mode.

Ouroboros
2003-04-08, 06:11 PM
They would be at a serious disadvantage if their Empire rifle does not have any AP capabilities. I think it must have.

Terik
2003-04-09, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Prefect
Thats not just specific to lasers, it applies to all forms of light. Can you see the light rays from a flashlight unless comes in contact with something (dust in the air, the ground, or whatever)? Nope. All the photons in a laser travelling in one direction has nothing to do with it not being able to be seen in a vaccuum.

There isn't more than one form of light, and that form is made up of photon packets. Your eye sees things by absorbing the photon packets an object is emitting, if your eye does not recieve any photon packets it won't see anything. Since the photon packets in a laser are all traveling in one direction (not into your eye) and since theres nothing to obstruct the laser and bounce some photon packets towards your eye in a vacuum, you cannot see the laser when viewing it from the side.

Edit: Some typos

cell.nerve
2003-04-09, 01:57 PM
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Actually nerve, all of the vanu guns DO have AP mode. It uses the same ammunition, but it takes up twice as much energy.
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I'm pretty sure this is just the vanu pistol. "

No actually he is right, the pulsar has a 2nd firing mode as well, using 2 rounds instead of one for enhanced damage, but this isnt very wise if your in a heated battle because it causes yuou to reload every 10 seconds

Matuse
2003-04-09, 04:41 PM
There isn't more than one form of light

Incorrect. There are tens of billions of different forms of light. It might be infinite, but I'm not enough of a physicist to say with authority.

Infrared light frequencies interract much differently with the world than say, an X-Ray. Homogenous light (like in a laser) also operates differently than a more broadband set of frequencies such as sunlight or from a lightbulb.

Terik
2003-04-09, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by Matuse
Incorrect. There are tens of billions of different forms of light. It might be infinite, but I'm not enough of a physicist to say with authority.

Infrared light frequencies interract much differently with the world than say, an X-Ray. Homogenous light (like in a laser) also operates differently than a more broadband set of frequencies such as sunlight or from a lightbulb.

Yea well I still got the main point of the post correct, you can't see something, if your eyes can't pick up the photon packets it is emiting.

Edit: Infrared light is not another form of light. Ya see, when the electron of an atom discharges some energy, it comes out in the form of a photon packet, now, it's place on the spectrum is decided by how much power has been put into those photon packets (or how much energy has been discharged not sure which) meaning based on how much power has been put into the packets it could come out as infrared or green light or blue light etc etc etc.

Oh and as for what you said about X rays read this:

X Ray, penetrating electromagnetic radiation, having a shorter wavelength than light, and produced by bombarding a target, usually made of tungsten,...

Got it from here: http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/SRPage.aspx?search=X+Ray

Basically, X rays aren't forms of light, I think there radio waves I'll look it up.

Cyanide
2003-04-09, 05:15 PM
Actually, weather or not you can see a lazers beam is dependant on the wavelength of the light and the gasses it is passing through. For instance, it is possible to see a green or blue lazer in the air (in the dark anyway, the reflection is too dim otherwise) because green and blue light have a much smaller wavelength and reflect much better off the tiny particles in the air.

edit:
Wow. I can't believe i just typed that. I need a life :(

Camping Carl
2003-04-09, 05:21 PM
No actually he is right, the pulsar has a 2nd firing mode as well, using 2 rounds instead of one for enhanced damage, but this isnt very wise if your in a heated battle because it causes yuou to reload every 10 seconds

That's news to me. :eek:
So in this mode does it do more damage to armored targets, and less to unarmored ones? Or it just more damage overall?

Terik
2003-04-09, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Cyanide
Actually, weather or not you can see a lazers beam is dependant on the wavelength of the light and the gasses it is passing through. For instance, it is possible to see a green or blue lazer in the air (in the dark anyway, the reflection is too dim otherwise) because green and blue light have a much smaller wavelength and reflect much better off the tiny particles in the air.

edit:
Wow. I can't believe i just typed that. I need a life :(

True, that is one factor of a laser's visibility. BUT, regardless of it's wavelength be it infrared or something within the human eye's seeable spectrum you cannot see a laser from the side unless there is something obstructing it (air particles, dust, etc etc.).

Edit: There is no standard to how somone should live his life, if one wants to pursue the study of the sciences or remain secluded from society then thats alright. People really shouldn't judge this.

Zylos
2003-04-09, 05:37 PM
this is makin my head hurt reading this.

*slowly backs out of thread*

Cyanide
2003-04-09, 07:55 PM
Edit: There is no standard to how somone should live his life, if one wants to pursue the study of the sciences or remain secluded from society then thats alright. People really shouldn't judge this.

Yeah, like Ted Kazinski. Now there was an OK guy. :D

Seriously though. This is a game. If real world physics applied it wouldn't be fun. Why would i want to shoot somebody in a game with a laser if i could do it in real life?

/me makes list of people to shoot when he gets his first real laser pistol :D

1. Martha Stewart.
2. The annoying whelchers grape juice girl
3. Rosie O'donnel
4. Rosie O'donnel's ass
...

Terik
2003-04-09, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by Cyanide
Yeah, like Ted Kazinski. Now there was an OK guy. :D

Seriously though. This is a game. If real world physics applied it wouldn't be fun. Why would i want to shoot somebody in a game with a laser if i could do it in real life?

/me makes list of people to shoot when he gets his first real laser pistol :D

1. Martha Stewart.
2. The annoying whelchers grape juice girl
3. Rosie O'donnel
4. Rosie O'donnel's ass
...

We really aren't talking about implementing real world physics into the game, I'm just trying to prove the weapons that the Vanu use that some people call lasers are either some kind of particle beam weapon or something else entirely.

Well, in response to your hitlist: :rofl:

Vimp
2003-04-09, 09:13 PM
I think you are confusing "laser" with "beam of light". They are simelar but not identical. Lasers come in different forms as far as what people call a laser. For instance the laser pointers on a gun are merely a tight beam of light. However a true laser is more then a tight beam of light but rather it is "a device that utilizes the ability of certain substances to absorb electromagnetic energy and re-radiate it as a highly focused beam of synchronized single-wavelength radiation." Notice theres no mention of light in the deffinition? thats probably because light is merely a result from a laser but not the laser itself.

Terik
2003-04-09, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Vimp
I think you are confusing "laser" with "beam of light". They are simelar but not identical. Lasers come in different forms as far as what people call a laser. For instance the laser pointers on a gun are merely a tight beam of light. However a true laser is more then a tight beam of light but rather it is "a device that utilizes the ability of certain substances to absorb electromagnetic energy and re-radiate it as a highly focused beam of synchronized single-wavelength radiation." Notice theres no mention of light in the deffinition? thats probably because light is merely a result from a laser but not the laser itself.

Oh, well then, you just ended this whole debate. *smacks head* Damnit ofcoarse! I should have looked up the definition of laser before going through all this crap. : /

Vimp
2003-04-09, 09:22 PM
Just because you may have read the deffinition in no way implies that you obviously understand the deffinition.

Cyanide
2003-04-09, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by Terik
We really aren't talking about implementing real world physics into the game, I'm just trying to prove the weapons that the Vanu use that some people call lasers are either some kind of particle beam weapon or something else entirely.

Well, in response to your hitlist: :rofl:

LOL...That rofl smiley really looks like it's masturbating.

Vimp
2003-04-09, 09:35 PM
Sorry, let me explain further.
A laser is an emission of radiation and radiation is made up of particles which themselves can radiate light thus the sources of light are not just at the point of fire but can be seen throughout the beam because the particles are traveling through the beam and those particles can emit light thus the beam is seen even from the side and even in a vacuum.

Terik
2003-04-09, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by Vimp
Sorry, let me explain further.
A laser is an emission of radiation and radiation is made up of particles which themselves can radiate light thus the sources of light are not just at the point of fire but can be seen throughout the beam because the particles are traveling through the beam and those particles can emit light thus the beam is seen even from the side and even in a vacuum.

But Vimp, I've seen light laser beams and if you shine it through clean dustless air or through a vacuum, you really can't see it from the side, try doing it with a laser pointer. You can gettem off the street for around a buck.

Edit: Now the beam could not have been made of light not visible to the human eye becuase when the beam hit something I could see the reflected light clearly.

Sanjiro1987
2003-04-09, 11:14 PM
I love it when people get technical :D

and about the lazers: yeah, the vanu don't really use lazers.

- BTW i'm new here.

Diego
2003-04-09, 11:30 PM
Wow..


Thats all I have to say to this topic.. Sad..

Robot
2003-04-09, 11:32 PM
the vanu weapons shoot colorful beams of light that melt your brain

END

Vimp
2003-04-10, 03:11 AM
Terik I already mentioned that light lasers are that way but a simple light laser is not a weapon. A laser can radiate anything not just light. If it were to be used as a weapon it would not merely radiate light and it could potentially be seen based on what it is radiating. Point being a Laser weapon can potentially be seen making your statement incorrect with regard to all lasers not being visible.

zMessiahz
2003-04-10, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by Vimp
Terik I already mentioned that light lasers are that way but a simple light laser is not a weapon. A laser can radiate anything not just light. If it were to be used as a weapon it would not merely radiate light and it could potentially be seen based on what it is radiating. Point being a Laser weapon can potentially be seen making your statement incorrect with regard to all lasers not being visible.

Damn d00d, you need to read more. Forgive me, but I must argue physics for a little bit, but not its place within the game.

LASER stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Light, light, light. This means that electromagnetic energy in the categories of Infrared, visible, and ultra-violet create a laser. Not any other form of electromagnetic energy. Also, unless you purport to understand quantum physics (which from your posts filled with false information it is obvious that you do not), stop calling the energy of a laser particles.

No photon in a laser has the ability to be a light source as you claimed earlier. It is light already. It does contain energy and said energy CAN excite the electrons of some given particle enoguh that they change energy states and realease more visible light. But said particle must have electrons in the proper energy state to be able to jump to the next higher energy state from a single photon from the laser. The energy must be exact as well. If said particle does not fit this criteria the photons simply pass by, never absorbed. If they are never absorbed that energy can not be re-released. It just so happens that the molecules that make up "air" do not fit these criteria, however, the common molecules of "dust" do.

Now lets contain ourselves to the visible spectrum because we will never see anything else with the naked eye. Your vision works by photons of light striking receptors in your eye. Let me translate that for you, you can't see squat unless the light from some source goes into your eye. Coherent light all travels int he same direction, so unless you are in that direct path YOU WILL NOT SEE IT. Outside of that small path you can only observe a laser through a round about way. By placing some material in its path. Even then you are seeing light emitted by those particles you placed in its path, not the laser itself.

Yeah ok so I really feel like a geek now.

*beats chest* Me MAX betta den j00 MAX! (ok I feel better now)

NeoTassadar
2003-04-10, 11:40 AM
You are forgetting that lasers that do not exite the air particles enough to radiate light are the low-power, constant beam ones we have today. The ones in this games are fired off in bursts were more energy than we can put into one today (besides the sattelite-killers) into a beam only about 5 feet long. That much energy hitting at once would exite the air molecules enough to emit light, most likely. Not even the sattelite-killers we have today have that energy density. Their beams are several miles long and last for about 10 seconds constant before they melt the thing. The Vanu's are 2-5 ft. and the bursts last a few milliseconds at the most.

Terik
2003-04-10, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by zMessiahz
Damn d00d, you need to read more. Forgive me, but I must argue physics for a little bit, but not its place within the game.

LASER stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation. Light, light, light. This means that electromagnetic energy in the categories of Infrared, visible, and ultra-violet create a laser. Not any other form of electromagnetic energy. Also, unless you purport to understand quantum physics (which from your posts filled with false information it is obvious that you do not), stop calling the energy of a laser particles.

No photon in a laser has the ability to be a light source as you claimed earlier. It is light already. It does contain energy and said energy CAN excite the electrons of some given particle enoguh that they change energy states and realease more visible light. But said particle must have electrons in the proper energy state to be able to jump to the next higher energy state from a single photon from the laser. The energy must be exact as well. If said particle does not fit this criteria the photons simply pass by, never absorbed. If they are never absorbed that energy can not be re-released. It just so happens that the molecules that make up "air" do not fit these criteria, however, the common molecules of "dust" do.

Now lets contain ourselves to the visible spectrum because we will never see anything else with the naked eye. Your vision works by photons of light striking receptors in your eye. Let me translate that for you, you can't see squat unless the light from some source goes into your eye. Coherent light all travels int he same direction, so unless you are in that direct path YOU WILL NOT SEE IT. Outside of that small path you can only observe a laser through a round about way. By placing some material in its path. Even then you are seeing light emitted by those particles you placed in its path, not the laser itself.

Yeah ok so I really feel like a geek now.

*beats chest* Me MAX betta den j00 MAX! (ok I feel better now)

So I was right (well except for how the electrons emit photons, but I was damn close). Maybe I'll feel better myself if I try to live my life a little more... simplistically.

*starts getting high on testosterone*

*10 mins later*

UUURG! RAAAARG! ME SMASH NEW CONGLOMERATE SCUM! GRRRR!

zMessiahz
2003-04-10, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by NeoTassadar
You are forgetting that lasers that do not exite the air particles enough to radiate light are the low-power, constant beam ones we have today. The ones in this games are fired off in bursts were more energy than we can put into one today (besides the sattelite-killers) into a beam only about 5 feet long. That much energy hitting at once would exite the air molecules enough to emit light, most likely. Not even the sattelite-killers we have today have that energy density. Their beams are several miles long and last for about 10 seconds constant before they melt the thing. The Vanu's are 2-5 ft. and the bursts last a few milliseconds at the most.

The total energy state of what you say is true (although the US now has a laser capable of breaking through a ballistic missile's armor in under 2 seconds now!). However, it is not the total energy that would cause other particles to emit light. The effect we are discussing is the molecules present in air (for simplicity just "air" not air contaminated by say... dust) would absord and re-emit energy carried by the photons in light. That effect is the same no matter the overall energy of the laser. Its reduced to if the molecule being struct has electrons in an energy state capable of obsorbing the energy from a single photon. The number of photons (read more powerful laser) is inconsequential. That is, unless said material is abosorbing them, then the number determines the amount of energy transfered and the number of molucles that will absorb the energy.

Terik
2003-04-10, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by zMessiahz
The total energy state of what you say is true (although the US now has a laser capable of breaking through a ballistic missile's armor in under 2 seconds now!). However, it is not the total energy that would cause other particles to emit light. The effect we are discussing is the molecules present in air (for simplicity just "air" not air contaminated by say... dust) would absord and re-emit energy carried by the photons in light. That effect is the same no matter the overall energy of the laser. Its reduced to if the molecule being struct has electrons in an energy state capable of obsorbing the energy from a single photon. The number of photons (read more powerful laser) is inconsequential. That is, unless said material is abosorbing them, then the number determines the amount of energy transfered and the number of molucles that will absorb the energy.

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind, I gotta go do some research be right back in a few hours.

NeoTassadar
2003-04-10, 02:14 PM
Alright, not exactly the gaseous molecules in air, but the particles in the air, even the small amounts normally seen (well, not seen), would reflect those photons. Laser pointers, when shone through anything (except a complete vaccum or purely transparent substance, good luck finding either), do have the light deflected by particles, just normally not enough to be seen. When you get enough photons, it will reflect enough to be seen. And even if I'm wrong, they could be intentionally projecting a luminescent particle "tracer" behind the actual beam, the same concept as tracer bullets.

Vimp
2003-04-10, 03:52 PM
What Neo said was what I was getting at. A laser can have a variety of things altered or added to it to make it visible.

zMessiahz
2003-04-10, 06:33 PM
Yes there are contaminants in the air that can be induced to emit light; however, I would again purpose the same arguement. The power of the laser does not matter. What would be important then is the amount of contaminants present. The laser pointer is easily visible with dust.... so all you've changed is the number of contaminants.

Besides... in the game if you must have an explanation... isn't it easier to just say its a plasma based weapon? With enough heat to ionize the surrounding gas? Would explain the tracers and the non-lightspeed travel times. Why unessesarily try to force the word "laser" on them? Thats probably why they called them "beam weapons" anyways. They may have some smart ass like me that would make fun of them if they did call it a laser!

Matuse
2003-04-10, 06:33 PM
A laser can have a variety of things altered or added to it to make it visible.

Vimp, please just stop. Your constant butchery of physics is embarrassing.

Vimp
2003-04-10, 07:37 PM
Claiming that I don't know anything dosn't make you look any smarter Matuse. I'm speculating just like everyone else based on what we DO know. And what I said will not be proven wrong in all likly hood.

Hellsfire123
2003-04-10, 09:39 PM
PSU: Psychotic Suicidal Urges

fits this thread perfectly.


Anyway, to correct what i remember. All beam weapons except Lasher and Antivech have alt fire modes for armor peircing. This not including vechical weapons. Actually there are only three types of light. White light, infrared and ultraviolet. The rest are electromagnetic radiation(I.E. Radio waves, xrays, gamma rays). You can argue that these light paterns can be further broken down by wavelength, but why bother?

You cant add anything to light. Thats just amazingly dumb.


To finish off this post, yes your right that the vanu dont use lasers (NO Z IN LASER FOR CHRISTS SAKE), but id like to direct you back to the picture of the kid running.

Matuse
2003-04-10, 10:43 PM
Claiming that I don't know anything dosn't make you look any smarter Matuse.

I don't care. I just want you to stop throwing out these reams of misinformation. Stop. Please.

Anam Nantom
2003-04-10, 11:19 PM
Originally posted by LesserShade
The vanu are trying to take over :/
http://www.defensereview.com/352003/TIS1.pdf

Rockin' link man, thanks. I would love to get a permit for one of those :). Imagine someone trying to mug you and you pull that out and fry his gun to his hand.. heh.


THIS is what I am talking about.. how sci-fi is becoming Sci-FACT so fast...

BTW, this is a great thread. I think it does matter how we understand this tech.. it's interesting, very much so.

Terik
2003-04-10, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Hellsfire123
PSU: Psychotic Suicidal Urges

fits this thread perfectly.


Anyway, to correct what i remember. All beam weapons except Lasher and Antivech have alt fire modes for armor peircing. This not including vechical weapons. Actually there are only three types of light. White light, infrared and ultraviolet. The rest are electromagnetic radiation(I.E. Radio waves, xrays, gamma rays). You can argue that these light paterns can be further broken down by wavelength, but why bother?

You cant add anything to light. Thats just amazingly dumb.


To finish off this post, yes your right that the vanu dont use lasers (NO Z IN LASER FOR CHRISTS SAKE), but id like to direct you back to the picture of the kid running.

I don't spell the word laser with Z, if you check my previous posts there are almost no spelling mistakes. :)