PSForever.net and PS1 Packet Capture

[Chord]

Hey PSU.

I finally got around to getting more official towards a PlanetSide emulator project. I'm dubbing it PSForever (http://psforever.net). It's a bit more accurate to my goals and has less name conflict on Google. The good news is that I scored a great domain, psforever.net (http://psforever.net) (no content yet). Me and anyone else interested in this project should probably move our discussion over there. I plan on hosting a webserver, forum, wiki, and any other services that we might need, including a game server when it comes to that.

I don't have a good estimate on when the website will actually have content, but for starters I'll host the PS1 GameLauncher and PS1 GameLogger tools.
Speaking of that, the PlanetSide GameLogger is finally ready after way too much time. Sorry about that!

Anyone still playing the game, please take the time to download the capture tool and capture packets as you play. The more packets we capture from different sources, the more likely PlanetSide can still be preserved, even if the servers go down. While running the tool, you can save the capture files to your local disk and hold on to them until I make a way for you to upload them to the PSForever team for inspection.

PS1 GameLogger Release

The capture tool captures all of the important packets, except for login packets, which contain plain text usernames and passwords. It will on the other hand, capture everywhere you go with your character and everything you say and do in game. The tool does not communicate with the network in any way. While capturing, there is an option under 'Edit -> Metadata...' that allows you to talk about the capture file. By providing a good name an description, you help anyone analyzing the capture files. For example, if you got in to a liberator and died, feel free to write that in the description. If you have a long capture session, then I wouldn't worry too much about putting everything in there. Maybe just the highlights, such as what continents you were on.

To use the tool, run it and run a PlanetSide instance. You can use my PS1 launcher or the regular PlanetSide launcher. Once PlanetSide is running, you should see the name and PID popup in the drop down menu. You first hit 'Attach' and then 'Capture' when you are ready. The more packets you capture, the better. If you are trying to capture a specific game feature, such as transferring to a new world, then feel free to make many captures.
If you choose to help, thanks a lot! We should plan to meet up online and try to capture packets with more than 2 or 3 people.

Anyways, too much talking, the PS1 GameLogger tool 1.0.0.0 is attached for download. Here's are some external links as well:
GameLogger 1.0.0.0: https://mega.nz/#!nhsFSSRa!TsmGVuHJFBst5FLvcE3Wy0Ly95X044fR5FIQZsb aAnA
GameLauncher 1.0.0.3: https://mega.nz/#!7xtmQLpZ!ZdUC8uXhoeapAC19a6dbou-MFon3Y5rL1kh1n-k-jlg

And some screenshots

http://i.imgur.com/KJ44MLd.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZKXko3u.png

Remember this tool is beta, so please report any bugs that you find while using the tool and attach the corresponding log files. Let me know if you have any questions

[KingFeraligatr]

Finally! I still have my doubts that this will take off, but congrats to getting here. I'll still be testing like usual, despite my doubts. Also, are we going to be able to modify the game's assets? I have several things I want to change, add, fix, rebalance, etc.

Anyways, V-V-F and V-V-E. And V-V-T.

[Calista]

So you plan on coding from scratch an MMO it took many people many years to create by using a packet sniffer tool?

[Chord]

Finally! I still have my doubts that this will take off, but congrats to getting here. I'll still be testing like usual, despite my doubts. Also, are we going to be able to modify the game's assets? I have several things I want to change, add, fix, rebalance, etc.

Anyways, V-V-F and V-V-E. And V-V-T.

Thanks for sticking with it, regardless. Doing this with community support is much better than without.

If by assets you mean damage values, rates of fire, etc. then yes, but first is figuring out all of the existing values. But essentially, making a server will allow you to make completely different game with different rules.

If you are interested in messing around with game assets (such as models / textures) in general, I believe an old hacker named itburnz has a tool that can extract actual game assets from DDS files. Also secant has done a lot of work in this area.

So you plan on coding from scratch an MMO it took many people many years to create by using a packet sniffer tool?

Sounds brash, I know. But luckily all of those difficult graphics problems are already solved for me. Creating a game server, is a simpler problem as we just have to send data to the client(s) for presentation. Not saying it's easy, but I'm not remaking the whole game, just the server.

Plus, all of those years of work boil down to the messages being sent and received. There is a ton going on behind the scenes to get this to work, but it's not black magic. It can be replicated.

[OpolE]

Wow nice going :)

[RealGaretJax]

HI,

Chord and all involved in this project. You should be aware, that the person king feraligatr has been revealed as the source of most of the hacking in PS1. Ingame he has many alts including v**************, all the czerocool chars, mcyxblueice, and many many others. This account who has posted above brags ingame about how he will be the hacker in PSEMU, that he will have all the power, that he has comprised the project and will own us all when its released. Be aware that you have a disease and infection in the project who only wants to gain inside knowledge so he can hack and destroy your good work.

You should remove this guys, hammer should revoke his forum access as this guy is the largest hacker in PS1 and he has no place in the game or on these forums.

HE will deny it of course, but we have proof of who he is, and what he has done. Feel free to PM me and I will provide a list of other players you can contact to vouch for my info.

King Feraligatr is a hacker, the scourge of our game, the person responsible for using pull hacks in game and destroying the fun of the few players left ingame. He needs to be removed and we need to be sure that PSEMU does not just become a place for him to further hack. Simply put, nobody will use this or take any interest in this project as long as he has any access or is involved in it.

[darkBerry]

I believe and old hacker named Jolt made a similar work like "yours" 8 years before, also the same home page design looks similar too.

[Chord]

HI,

Chord and all involved in this project. You should be aware, that the person king feraligatr has been revealed as the source of most of the hacking in PS1. Ingame he has many alts including v**************, all the czerocool chars, mcyxblueice, and many many others. This account who has posted above brags ingame about how he will be the hacker in PSEMU, that he will have all the power, that he has comprised the project and will own us all when its released. Be aware that you have a disease and infection in the project who only wants to gain inside knowledge so he can hack and destroy your good work.


Hi RealGaretJax, thanks for bring this to my attention. The purpose of PSForever is to have a working implementation of a PS1 server with extra features such as cheat protection. The infamous pull-hack is incredibly easy to execute because the current server trusts the client by assertion. The server does not verify the clients word that "player A hit player B with bullet C". A game server is more than capable of verifying in real-time these assertions and ignoring any "impossible packets."

Lets say we do have a hacker among us. What exactly can he/she do to harm the project? The project is going to be open-sourced once I have something worth open sourcing. That means anyone will be able to see the code and all of the hard work put in to it. There is no way to gain "inside knowledge".

What would be interesting is if we gave a server just for the hackers to play with. Lets say you get banned, instead of not being able to access the regular server, you are regulated to a special hackers only server. That way, you get to hack all day and not affect any real players.

Also just to mention, the only reason this project is even remotely possible is because I'm literally "hacking" this game. I'm doing everything a normal hacker would do, except I'm using this knowledge to create something.
I use IDA Pro, OllyDBG, and DLL injection to get instrumentation on the game. It's all about what you do with these tools that makes the difference.


You should remove this guys, hammer should revoke his forum access as this guy is the largest hacker in PS1 and he has no place in the game or on these forums.

HE will deny it of course, but we have proof of who he is, and what he has done. Feel free to PM me and I will provide a list of other players you can contact to vouch for my info.

King Feraligatr is a hacker, the scourge of our game, the person responsible for using pull hacks in game and destroying the fun of the few players left ingame. He needs to be removed and we need to be sure that PSEMU does not just become a place for him to further hack. Simply put, nobody will use this or take any interest in this project as long as he has any access or is involved in it.

While hacking to get an advantage over other players is reprehensible at best, there really isn't much to be done about it. If the game is broken and no GMs or companies care to keep it secure, oh well. I wouldn't worry too much about the hackers. I would only involve someone into actual project design / direction if I trusted them or knew them personally. At the moment absolutely no one has the authorization to make project decisions except me.

I believe and old hacker named Jolt made a similar work like "yours" 8 years before, also the same home page design looks similar too.
I know Secant has for sure done something similar. I hadn't heard that Joltting did anything. Unfortunately absolutely no one released any code relating to their projects (probably because they were under legal threat). This time everyone will be able to have a copy of the project and the freedom to do whatever they want.

[KingFeraligatr]

HI,

Chord and all involved in this project. You should be aware, that the person king feraligatr has been revealed as the source of most of the hacking in PS1. Ingame he has many alts including v**************, all the czerocool chars, mcyxblueice, and many many others. This account who has posted above brags ingame about how he will be the hacker in PSEMU, that he will have all the power, that he has comprised the project and will own us all when its released. Be aware that you have a disease and infection in the project who only wants to gain inside knowledge so he can hack and destroy your good work.

You should remove this guys, hammer should revoke his forum access as this guy is the largest hacker in PS1 and he has no place in the game or on these forums.

HE will deny it of course, but we have proof of who he is, and what he has done. Feel free to PM me and I will provide a list of other players you can contact to vouch for my info.

King Feraligatr is a hacker, the scourge of our game, the person responsible for using pull hacks in game and destroying the fun of the few players left ingame. He needs to be removed and we need to be sure that PSEMU does not just become a place for him to further hack. Simply put, nobody will use this or take any interest in this project as long as he has any access or is involved in it.

Garet, you're very much dead wrong man. I mean, you're free to believe what you want, but in this case it's wrong. I've got nothing to hide, so I'll be playing that way. It's a shame that the toxicness of the community has reached this all time high, but I hop the emulator takes off for that reason: so we can stop living in fear and trust our fellow players.

I'm sorry you came to this false conclusion. I hackusate all the time, but never hack. I've made it my mission to never scoop the hackers' level. I talk to you with many alts because i just so happen to have a shit ton of them on my two accounts (and I have VERY recent pictures showing all them on Steam. Plus there's the fact that you're getting several people's names wrong and the fact I've played with people like MCYxBlueIce and know that they're good players. You're mistaking me for a ton of people that I'm not. I hope you come around to the truth some day so you stop jumping at shadows.

Here are pictures of ALL my accounts and their alts (taken today):
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=529892335
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=529892437
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=529894270
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=529894374

Yes, I have barcode alts, but they're there so I can talk to hackers and assholes with them putting me on ignore. Barring two characters I've deleted (KingFeraligatrTROptimal and KingFeraligatrTRStealth), these are ALL the alts and accounts I've ever had in this game.

I sincerely hope you get over this so that we don't have to live in paranoia. It's eating away at the community. I hope this emulator changes that so we all live with some peace without fearing hackers around every corner. Chord, keep up the good work so we don't have to deal with what's happening here today. Garet, hope you get over this man. It's unhealthy.

[darkBerry]

Maybe you erased those alts or you have a secret account you dont want to show...

[KingFeraligatr]

Maybe you erased those alts or you have a secret account you dont want to show...
Or maybe I'm telling the truth and being honest? Why jump to unfounded conspiracy theories when there's a true, simpler, and more logical explanation (I don't hack and I'm not hiding anything). Logic is your friend man. Use it, and watch things make much more sense and be much more clear.

[RealGaretJax]

Hi,

Well King i am sorry but taking a screenshot does not prove anything. You simple dual box or have other steam accounts that you didn't take the screenshots of. I can easily do the same, what you have posted proves nothing.

The hacker characters you played yesterday and pull hacked everybody mentioned things that I had only mentioned to you. Ever heard of a canary trap mate? Well you fell for it.

You were leaked information that had only been leaked 1 person and then these rampant pull hackers started talking about that exact same thing. Now there is a chance that your not them, but you are obviously in cahoots with them passing along information to them. So you are part of the hacker group or are you suggesting they have somehow extracted this information from the ether.?

This character was bragging about how he was going to hack us all in the PSEMU, how he had inside access to everything and would tear it apart. Typical destructive sadistic behaviour that you have exhibited in game, and made mention of several times.

You are trying to play us all for fools, thinking that your far smarter and out witting us all. We know who you are, you took the bail and swallowed it whole, you are either the hackers themselves (far more likely) or you are communicating instantly with these people, so your just as bad. Either way you deserve to be called out for who you really are. A lying deceptive sadistic little boy who takes great pleasure from playing dual personalities and making people believe you are someone you are not. As for the hacking, just stop it, how can wrecking everyone's game be any enjoyment to you?

You exhibit classic split personality behaviour, one day nice and friendly, the next day, a total different person.

Please Chord and the others speak with players such as 1thundernuts1, hmfic, fjh, skeng ingame, they all witnessed it and were send tells etc that show they all came from one person.

Chord, thanks for your reply, I am a developer of 25 years (so old) so understand totally, but you still need to be aware of what's going on.

Just on a side note, have you ever considered pivoting this project into something like a ARMA mod instead.

The code required for a multi-player server is huge, not to mention integration of graphics engines, latency code, back-end management systems, etc, etc.

Using something like ARMA (although less players), could provide a firm framework to then build the PSEMU layer on top of give you a sandbox to play in now, so game mechanics and systems can be worked on, rather than base layers of game functionality.

Just my $0.02 worth

[KingFeraligatr]

Hi,

Well King i am sorry but taking a screenshot does not prove anything. You simple dual box or have other steam accounts that you didn't take the screenshots of. I can easily do the same, what you have posted proves nothing.

The hacker characters you played yesterday and pull hacked everybody mentioned things that I had only mentioned to you. Ever heard of a canary trap mate? Well you fell for it.

You were leaked information that had only been leaked 1 person and then these rampant pull hackers started talking about that exact same thing. Now there is a chance that your not them, but you are obviously in cahoots with them passing along information to them. So you are part of the hacker group or are you suggesting they have somehow extracted this information from the ether.?

This character was bragging about how he was going to hack us all in the PSEMU, how he had inside access to everything and would tear it apart. Typical destructive sadistic behaviour that you have exhibited in game, and made mention of several times.

You are trying to play us all for fools, thinking that your far smarter and out witting us all. We know who you are, you took the bail and swallowed it whole, you are either the hackers themselves (far more likely) or you are communicating instantly with these people, so your just as bad. Either way you deserve to be called out for who you really are. A lying deceptive sadistic little boy who takes great pleasure from playing dual personalities and making people believe you are someone you are not. As for the hacking, just stop it, how can wrecking everyone's game be any enjoyment to you?

You exhibit classic split personality behaviour, one day nice and friendly, the next day, a total different person.

Please Chord and the others speak with players such as 1thundernuts1, hmfic, fjh, skeng ingame, they all witnessed it and were send tells etc that show they all came from one person.

Chord, thanks for your reply, I am a developer of 25 years (so old) so understand totally, but you still need to be aware of what's going on.

Just on a side note, have you ever considered pivoting this project into something like a ARMA mod instead.

The code required for a multi-player server is huge, not to mention integration of graphics engines, latency code, back-end management systems, etc, etc.

Using something like ARMA (although less players), could provide a firm framework to then build the PSEMU layer on top of give you a sandbox to play in now, so game mechanics and systems can be worked on, rather than base layers of game functionality.

Just my $0.02 worth

You're still wrong man. I'm so sorry. I didn't play yesterday, never divulged information when I yelled at ******, etc. My "multiple personalities" likely some comes from my variety of mental health issues and very low self esteem. I know without a doubt you're wrong, but knowing how much everyone hates me, I doubt they'll believe the innocent party. I'm going to try and not to scoop to your level and try to treat you better than how you're treating me. I've been against the hackers from the start, and I feel vert sorry that you don't believe me,

Your former acquaintance-
The King of Feraligatrs, King Feraligatr :D

[KingFeraligatr]

Some TRx guys gave me some very disturbing screenies Garet. Link :
http://imgur.com/a/m4nA7

[darkBerry]

this is out of control

[KingFeraligatr]

Lol, the cherry of the cake, Zanduk and c-ZeroCool messages
Okay random ram ses minion or alt.

[Effective]

Assuming this gets off the ground, I don't mind helping out identify cheaters. I'll probably be the person most able to accurately identify characters using more obvious hacks.

[Effective]

Some TRx guys gave me some very disturbing screenies Garet. Link :
1. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!112&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp

2. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!113&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp

3. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!111&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp

4. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!114&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp

5. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!115&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp

6. https://onedrive.live.com/?id=99148F2C160462BC!116&cid=99148F2C160462BC&group=0&parId=99148F2C160462BC!110&o=OneUp
Double check those links.

[KingFeraligatr]

I fixed them. Here: http://imgur.com/a/m4nA7 .

[RealGaretJax]

Just shows me ranting at a hacker for cheating. I could of chosen better language, but after being hacked again and again it got the best of me. Another day or my game time wrecked due to some hacker. I apologize for the language, but thats how australians swear and the words we use. King is doing anything he can to deflect from the fact that he is the hacker, smoke screens anyone? And banish me from the internet for swearing, I dont think anyone has used profanity on the web before.

[KingFeraligatr]

Just shows me ranting at a hacker for cheating. I could of chosen better language, but after being hacked again and again it got the best of me. Another day or my game time wrecked due to some hacker.
At this point, you've pissed me off beyond caring. You're just mistaken about me and some others. I'm assuming you're just delusional and a conspiracy theorist. I'll leave you to your ramblings. Others can believe you if they wish, but it's wrong.

[Effective]

Just because you think someone is cheating, doesn't actually mean they're cheating. Try using actual evidence instead of hearsay.
Edit example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBy4uyNNNuI&ab_channel=Effect

[RealGaretJax]

There is no heresay, i provided a list of people to speak with ingame to confirm what has happened. They will confirm all I have said.

[Effective]

What you have are opinions, not proof. I highly doubt most of you are qualified to accuse someone of hacking just by seeing how they play.

[RealGaretJax]

ah james i see your a trx guy. Being pull hacked does not require much intelligence to confirm that someone is hacking.

[Effective]

Then get it on video. Shouldn't be too hard even with cheap hardware.

[Calista]

Ah this stuff reminds me of the good old days.

[darkBerry]

Everyone here knows if KingFeraligators screens, he got insulted by many people, that have a cause, maybe cheating, as garetjax said.

For example this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sAWO3rEtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Showing a tr guy cheating, proofs make the diference.

[Chord]

You guys are cute...

RealGaretJax what exactly do you hope to gain by pointing out hackers? It's not like they will ever be banned or shamed in to stopping. Might as well just let it go at this point and direct your energy elsewhere.

I totally understand how you all feel about getting shrekt by hackers when you are trying to enjoy the game, but at this point with PS1, there isn't much that can be done.

On topic, has anyone been capturing packets?

[RealGaretJax]

Yes your right chord. I am a 45 year old man, I have a sense of honour and what is fair.

Day after day i see my game and the game of my friends be destroyed due to a little boy with mental health issues.

Your right, why should I bother, but its part of my DNA both as an oldie lol and as Australian to fight back against bullies. What he is doing is bullying and destructive and just not part of how things should be.

Call me naive, but I still think there is room in this world for people to be honest and fair and not just hide behind their keyboards.

This guy knows he is busted and has been on damage control ever since. He is the one that has annoyed all of us time after time, don't believe his lies and multiple personalities, he is a sadistic little man that needs to be removed.

Anyway, rant over, thanks for communicating Chord, I still think PSEMU has more chance as a mod with a game with an existing anti cheat mechanism, some kinda VAC thing or something. I wish you the best, and hope that it goes well for you.

Signing Off.

[darkBerry]

In this case GaretJax is running away and scapping from what he started, also KingFeraligatr was seen talking with some hackers about important info, the worts thing here is that the leader of the STEAM PlanetSide Rements group (Docdic), was caught cheating in his main alt "Totheend" with a VIDEO PROVING that., also an other NC cheater wich King trade info or its part of that hackers team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sAWO3rEtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And of course, there is nothing to do.

[KingFeraligatr]

In this case GaretJax is running away and scapping from what he started, also KingFeraligatr was seen talking with some hackers about important info, the worts thing here is that the leader of the STEAM PlanetSide Rements group (Docdic), was caught cheating in his main alt "Totheend" with a VIDEO PROVING that., also an other NC cheater wich King trade info or its part of that hackers team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sAWO3rEtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And of course, there is nothing to do.
At this point, I'm thinking it's the reverse. The hackers have agenda against several legit players and want to tear the community in two. What has been said against me and several other players I KNOW are legit is nothing short of bullshit. Docdic is not a hacker darkBerry. In fact, it makes sense one would want to implicate him because he is the leader of the PS1 Steam group. We don't need wild and untrue conspiracy theories. In fact berry, it is odd that your account was made just yesterday when Garet made his post (he also made an account just yesterday.... odd). You've done nothing but support him and you know when to respond to our posts. Not accusing of of being in league with them, but it is odd. What better way for the hackers to seize control than to turn ourselves against each other and deflect their actions on others.

No, I'm not a hacker. And while I sent /tells to them, they where purely hate /tells giving them shit for what they've done to the community. It serves to reason they want me out of the picture because I oppose them. None this means I hack, it's just using my head.

[darkBerry]

I made this account yesterday because I want to join at this disscussion of hackers that have double face, Explain me now King, in the video I shared, shows Totheend with an increased rate o fire, that is an evidence of a new accussing.
The conclussion here is, Docdic was cheating, we have a video proving it, now tell me how he could be innocent?

Again if no one have seen it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sAWO3rEtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[KingFeraligatr]

I made this account yesterday because I want to join at this disscussion of hackers that have double face, Explain me now King, in the video I shared, shows Totheend with an increased rate o fire, that is an evidence of a new accussing.
The conclussion here is, Docdic was cheating, we have a video proving it, now tell me how he could be innocent?

Again if no one have seen it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8sAWO3rEtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Who says Docdic = totheend? Do you have proof they they're the same person? Did Docdic say he was totheend? It's not like me who showed all his characters and you can tell exactly who I am. Don't jump to these conclusions without solid proof or logical guessing. Because all I see is pointing fingers at innocent people with no solid base.

I get it. We've all had enough of ******'s gang of thugs. People are desperate to point fingers at others. I do it too. We all want the game and world to make sense and know who the bad people are. Except you're not doing solid research and fact checking. Many of us don't. I want you to stop screaming "hacker" at everyone unless you have conclusive proof. You can believe it in your head, no one can stop you there. But you need to stop making the community go in an uproar or indifference. A lot of us, myself included, need to work on not accusing everyone as hacker. This divided and toxic community is probably what the hackers want. We don't want the hackers to get what they want. So I ask you, me, and the rest of the legit community to stop being in a super panic attack. No one needs it.

Just being a voice of reason and using my head.

[darkBerry]

Im agree with you, I use my head before to post, you can ask yourself in Steam PlanetSide, who is Totheend.

[Effective]

That's some god-tier speculation right there.

[docdic]

the worts thing here is that the leader of the STEAM PlanetSide Rements group (Docdic), was caught cheating in his main alt "Totheend" .

uhhh..... my main alt is tf2hero on TR, and totheend is not me.
also by the looks of it, in the video totheend looks like is actualy using a mcg that has a bugged out model that makes it look like a sweeper. i come to this conclusion because a shot from the sweeper at that rage would do a bit more damage than what it did.

[Chord]

Chord, thanks for your reply, I am a developer of 25 years (so old) so understand totally, but you still need to be aware of what's going on.

Just on a side note, have you ever considered pivoting this project into something like a ARMA mod instead.

The code required for a multi-player server is huge, not to mention integration of graphics engines, latency code, back-end management systems, etc, etc.

Using something like ARMA (although less players), could provide a firm framework to then build the PSEMU layer on top of give you a sandbox to play in now, so game mechanics and systems can be worked on, rather than base layers of game functionality.

Just my $0.02 worth

In terms of cheat protection, from what I know, the ARMA engine is nearly as broken as PS1 and I don't have any personal feelings for it. I'm trying to go for the more detailed approach and that means solving a lot of hard problems. I don't have a good grasp on how game servers really tick, so I want to figure it out by knowing one inside and out. My primary inspirations are TrinityCore, EVEmu, and the ShadowBane Emulator.

[darkBerry]

We have 2 cheaters in the video, the main player with no reload cheat, wich keeps shooting while he is reloading with the punisher, and Totheend, there is a faster Sweeper sound, also if there is a model bug, why the other models are normal? Look the bullet spread, it is coordinated with the sound, also 3 TR were shooting him.

Sorry docdic, but totheend got caught.

[Effective]

We have 2 cheaters in the video, the main player with no reload cheat, wich keeps shooting while he is reloading with the punisher, and Totheend, there is a faster Sweeper sound, also if there is a model bug, why the other models are normal? Look the bullet spread, it is coordinated with the sound, also 3 TR were shooting him.

Sorry docdic, but totheend got caught.


1st. just because one model bugs out doesn't mean all models will bug out.
2nd. Sweepers don't have tracers
3rd. Planetside is a game with endless amounts of bugs. This could just be one of those unusual bugs that rarely sees the ligh
4th. This doesn't mean he wasn't ROFing, but he definitely wasn't rofing with the sweeper.

[Scrable]

Hello there, somehow I made this account even earlier, but never really used it.

Well, I'm a fairly new player to Planetside 1. I used the free 6 months in 2013 to play some PS1 and it was pretty good. I also noticed very late, that it now became F2P. Of course I redownloaded it and played it, but there was almost noone online. The only one was a teammate, who was flying and teleporting through the map. Probably hacking.
And today I had the same problem. But this time it was two guys, who were hacking and they were chatting in the ingame chat. As well as destroying the experience, because one of them just teleported to me and capped all of the bases on the map. Also killing of that one TR soldier who was also walking around.
So my question is, why aren't they banned? Did DBG completly abandon PS1?

[randomtroper]

So, I'm not actually someone who plays PlanetSide. I'm someone from the TV Tropes forums, which is where I'm aware of the situation with accusations against King Feraligatr from. I highly doubt he is actually a hacker, as I have seen him use a venting thread several times before all this happened to complain about how rampant hacking is in the game. I know I should probably stay out of this, but from what I've seen this accusation seems false.

[Logit]

"failed to inject PSLOG.dll because it was missing from the current directory"

[darkBerry]

Do you know something about PS1 code structure?
In your game folder, you can find those models.dds or .fdx, since you open the launchpad, it check and replace archives, in correctly form. Try to replace a file yourself with the same name, etc, and the launchpad detect that file and replace instantly.
So how a model bug becomes?
Rofing a gun increased the Cone of fire, causing less damage, as you said it before No one have seen a similar model bug, if you have seen one, prove it.
Your argument is invalid.
What about tracers? There was a Chaingun and no reload Punisher, adding a Thrumper finally.
You can see also a VS with the sweeper too, shooting normally, diferent as Totheend did.

[Effective]

Do you know something about PS1 code structure?
In your game folder, you can find those models.dds or .fdx, since you open the launchpad, it check and replace archives, in correctly form. Try to replace a file yourself with the same name, etc, and the launchpad detect that file and replace instantly.


Yes. I do, not everything, but enough to have a vague understanding. This bug did not occur because someone replaced a file though and nor did I suggest that was the case.

So how a model bug becomes?

I have no idea how models bug occur, they just do (believe it or not, bugs can occur without knowing the steps to reproduce them). I have actually seen a bugs similar to this, as I said they're not particularly common. I didn't bother recording it because it wasn't all that important, only annoying.

Rofing a gun increased the Cone of fire, causing less damage, as you said it before No one have seen a similar model bug, if you have seen one, prove it.

Uhhh. ROFing doesn't affect the damage per shot on a weapon... No I said it wasn't a common bug, that's not even close to the same thing. Don't need too.

Your argument is invalid.

No.


What about tracers? There was a Chaingun and no reload Punisher, adding a Thrumper finally.
You can see also a VS with the sweeper too, shooting normally, diferent as Totheend did.

Planetside 1 shotgun weapons do not have tracers, there were definitely tracers coming out of his sweeper implying fully that it was not actually a sweeper he was using but his MCG. A bug involving character models is not going to every model in the game, it will typically affect only the person who randomly repeated the steps necessary to cause the bug to occur.

[Chord]

"failed to inject PSLOG.dll because it was missing from the current directory"

Dumb question, but I have to ask: is pslog.dll actually in the same directory as PSCap.exe when you launched it?

[darkBerry]

You didnt proof nothing, your argument still being invalid.
1. Have you tested yourself a Hight RoF shotgun?The spread bullet its the same as every silver/gold ammo weapons
2. If Totheend has a bugged gun, his client will auto crash by the normal VS guy sweeper.
If the guy who was recording has the similar bug, why the VS guy sweeper was firing normal?
Having a weapon model bug since game loading is impossible, client check the models in the loading bar,

You can see the VS player sweeper without any type of change.

If you know "coding" you know Totheend was cheating

When you fire a gun , what happen?The cone of Fire increases=Less presicion=Less Damage

You can see a chaingun fire crossing, NOT coming from the sweaper, so tracers you saw before came from the chaingun.

[Effective]

Whether or not you believe me is irrelevant. Though your inability to understand basic english prevents you from understanding why you're wrong and I'm right. Sorry.

1. Where did this even come from?
2. No. On his end it would still be an MCG, it is a pure visual bug from other players perspectives. If he put away his weapon it would probably fix itself.


I already explained why on the VS sweeper.

No.

If what you mean to say is that the weapon becomes less accurate, then yes typically that is the case. However, a ROF hack is not going to increase the COF anymore then someone who isn't ROFing.

While there is indeed crossfire, tracers were coming out of his sweeper far before anyone else was firing.

[darkBerry]

What is the tracer color from the "mcg" ?

If is red comes from the Chaingun
If is yellow comes from the No-Reload Punisher

Adding this at my last response, 4 diferent weapons were shooting at him

Chaingun
Sweeper called as mcg
Lasher
And the Thrumper
So those weapons, specially the thrumper cause the damage before and the Lasher wich was BEHIND him causing damage before too.

I tought this add was saved, I re-write it again

[Effective]

Do you have a mental condition or is english your 3rd language?

[darkBerry]

English is my less important leguaje, Im german, I dont have the need to upgrade it just for explain something obvius

[Effective]

Look, I'm sure you're well meaning. But you're wrong. I don't really want to spend time explaining how a 11+ year old game with minimal patches for the last half of that, has bugs. Especially when that person seems to keep wandering into unknown territory and bringing up things irrelevant to the discussion.

[darkBerry]

Aweame, this disscussion is closed
The conclussion is that Totheend was hacking and that sadistic hacker is giving to all PlanetSide a lesson, who knows, it seems KingFeraligatr shared important info to those hackers.

[Effective]

If you say so.

[Logit]

Dumb question, but I have to ask: is pslog.dll actually in the same directory as PSCap.exe when you launched it?

Seems it is working fine today. I re-extracted into a new folder and everything seems to be fine.

Is there anything we should focus on while we play? Or is doing literally anything in the game helpful?

[Chord]

Seems it is working fine today. I re-extracted into a new folder and everything seems to be fine.

Is there anything we should focus on while we play? Or is doing literally anything in the game helpful?

I would say focus on interesting things. Especially things that don't happen that often.


Get and fire all ammo types
Get every single weapon
Fire and reload every weapon in each mode
Create an outfit
Create a squad / platoon
Gain CEP/BEP from
Increase BR / CR
Pull every vehicle
Fire all vehicle weapons
Get in each BFR variant
Damage BFR in different regions
Jam BFR
Capture Base
Run LLU
Neutral a base
Refill a base with an ANT
Destroy each type of terminal
Repair / Drop Gen
Drop / Repair Tubs
Matrix to base
Use advanced hacking
Implant virus types to base
Get each MAX type and use special
Create Macro
Use macro
Use emote
Gain a certification
Call in an orbital strike
Plant AMS
Login with very special characters (i.e CR5s, BR40s)
Create, delete char
Get locked out of a character for switching empires
Use the sancuary teleporters
Discover monoliths
Use the tutorial system
Get the current outfit list
Leave / Join outfit
Create outfit decal
Set squad waypoints
Draw on Planet Map
Use CR EMP
Use /sitrep /global, /broadcast, /tell, etc
Add a friend
Get in HART
Alt+G from a vehicle
Place a vehicle in a lodestar / galaxy
Place every type of combat engineering (including advanced)
Get shot at by a spit fire while running
EMP a spitfire
Shoot a tower turret
Upgrade turrets
Use a med terminal
Get implants
...

[Chord]

Seriously guys, I need your help if we are going to capture all of this functionality.
Can we organize a time to meetup and capture while doing group things, such as driving or base capping?
I could technically make M-F past 7PM EST or some weekends.

Probably time to get some psforever forums up

Also, there are somethings I'll never be able to capture as a BR17, CR1. Would a BR25-40 and CR5 be willing to donate an account or their time for capturing? We gotta capture all of the cool CR5 shit.

[Logit]

Seriously guys, I need your help if we are going to capture all of this functionality.
Can we organize a time to meetup and capture while doing group things, such as driving or base capping?
I could technically make M-F past 7PM EST or some weekends.

Probably time to get some psforever forums up

Also, there are somethings I'll never be able to capture as a BR17, CR1. Would a BR25-40 and CR5 be willing to donate an account or their time for capturing? We gotta capture all of the cool CR5 shit.

I started last night with Virtual training. I fired all of the guns, flew around in a reaver for a bit. Loaded a few conts.

My sched is fairly sporadic, but if we throw out some times I can try and make some of them. I am EST.

Do you think it makes a difference that I'm doing it in the VR?

I'm CR5, BR 31 so I can help you with the CR5 stuff as well as they stuff we will need a couple of people for.

I'm EST, and my sched is sporadic but some weeks I have tons of free time so it just depends on when we can get together.

[KingFeraligatr]

Ignoring all the false accusations against me, I'm also open to testing things. I don't play everyday and I'm far from BR 40, CR 5; but I think my massive amount of alts and my main of BR 27, CR 3 will be able to get a lot of things tested. I just need t figure out how to send the data to you. Also, there's the problem we can't easily test the Cave weapons and vehicles and BFRs easily due to Core Combat not working (thr most reasonable theory I heard is that we are on perma-trial accounts, so that's why it doesn't work.). This also prevents the testing of other Cave related things.

[Chord]

I started last night with Virtual training. I fired all of the guns, flew around in a reaver for a bit. Loaded a few conts.

My sched is fairly sporadic, but if we throw out some times I can try and make some of them. I am EST.

Do you think it makes a difference that I'm doing it in the VR?

I'm CR5, BR 31 so I can help you with the CR5 stuff as well as they stuff we will need a couple of people for.

I'm EST, and my sched is sporadic but some weeks I have tons of free time so it just depends on when we can get together.

Thanks for putting in the time towards the project! Please make sure you are writing a good description / title when saving capture files. Otherwise, figuring out what was captured will take more time. Also if I'm trying to capture specific features I usually make a dedicated capture for that. It's not required and it's definitely more work, but it could help later on. Hold on to those capture files. I'll eventually make a way to submit them to psforever.net.

Hows the capture tool working for you so far? Any crashes / unhanded exceptions? There was one I was getting really regularly, but I haven't released the fix (1.0.0.1) yet

As for meeting up, this week isn't the best, but I could possibly do Sunday. Let me know some times you're available in PM.

[Chord]

Ignoring all the false accusations against me, I'm also open to testing things. I don't play everyday and I'm far from BR 40, CR 5; but I think my massive amount of alts and my main of BR 27, CR 3 will be able to get a lot of things tested. I just need t figure out how to send the data to you. Also, there's the problem we can't easily test the Cave weapons and vehicles and BFRs easily due to Core Combat not working (thr most reasonable theory I heard is that we are on perma-trial accounts, so that's why it doesn't work.). This also prevents the testing of other Cave related things.

You don't have to be top ranked. I was just wanted to get some of the cooler CR5 features, but that only has to be done once.

I wouldn't worry about capturing all of the weapons as Logit seems to be working on that. Maybe do some more exotic things in the list above.
Don't worry about sending the data to me just yet. I'll make an online submission when I get the chance.

[Logit]

Thanks for putting in the time towards the project! Please make sure you are writing a good description / title when saving capture files. Otherwise, figuring out what was captured will take more time. Also if I'm trying to capture specific features I usually make a dedicated capture for that. It's not required and it's definitely more work, but it could help later on. Hold on to those capture files. I'll eventually make a way to submit them to psforever.net.

Hows the capture tool working for you so far? Any crashes / unhanded exceptions? There was one I was getting really regularly, but I haven't released the fix (1.0.0.1) yet

As for meeting up, this week isn't the best, but I could possibly do Sunday. Let me know some times you're available in PM.

I only put in a small session, an hour or so, but the program ran fine.

Now that i know what to focus on I will do those. Questions

Is there any reason to roam continents in a plane?
Is there any reason to roam conts at all?
Are the best things to grab actual interactions in the game?
Should I kill myself? In various ways? Maybe sometimes hilariously?
I'd imagine anytime I do or receive dmg in anyway it's good for the project.
Combat Engineering. Is it worthwhile to simply lay it out? Or does it need to attack or kill something to be useful?

EDIT:

Is there any reason to do something more than twice?

[Chord]

I only put in a small session, an hour or so, but the program ran fine.

Now that i know what to focus on I will do those. Questions

Is there any reason to roam continents in a plane?
Is there any reason to roam conts at all?
Are the best things to grab actual interactions in the game?
Should I kill myself? In various ways? Maybe sometimes hilariously?
I'd imagine anytime I do or receive dmg in anyway it's good for the project.
Combat Engineering. Is it worthwhile to simply lay it out? Or does it need to attack or kill something to be useful?

EDIT:

Is there any reason to do something more than twice?

Roaming around isn't a bad idea, but I wouldn't explicitly do it. Just let it happen naturally. Killing yourself isn't something that I would say is interesting more than once. Receiving damage is good and unless we can find damage / stats tables for all of the weapons we're going to have to do this manually. I do believe they are stored on the client somewhere considering ROF and no-reload hacks are possible. PSForever would have these tables on the server side as well to check the client.

For Combat engineering, laying it out and having it activate is important. Anything you believe the server must be doing (i.e if multiple people can see it happening) is stuff we need to capture. For example, the spitfires and wall turrets essentially have an "aimbot" running them on the server. Recording the movements of the turrets would could help us to reverse engineer this.

One interesting thing we could do on sunday is to get a liberator and have the driver bail, activating the auto-land sequence. I believe that's a server side routine.

I wouldn't go out of your way to do things twice.

[Ryathorz]

Receiving damage is good and unless we can find damage / stats tables for all of the weapons we're going to have to do this manually.I can provide you with the base damage values for most weapons in the game - I have a backup of the stats pages made back in the day by Tippis, DDS250 (a quite extensive Japanese site), and some of the damage degradation charts made by Quovatis.

[hofd]

that's really cool, I will help and save a lot of packets as TR :) see you in game

[Ryathorz]

The Japanese site is actually still online -
http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~dds250/ps/assault_soldier.html#SOLDIER

Note that while the lasher is listed as 29 damage per shot it is actually 30, with severe range degradation.
Weapon range of the projectiles (tank shells, aurora, etc) were limited in part by projectile life - around 4 seconds I think.


The tippis files are no longer available online to my knowledge so i'd have to zip them up and email them on.


Some of the weapons have slightly unusual behaviour. The comet used to inflict different amounts of damage if you landed multiple hits in a short time span (probably some kind of bug in the burn code). It doesn't appear to do that on the daybreak server, though i'm unsure if that has resulted in the current comet being equal to the best of the old versions output, or the worst.

The vanu plasma mortar is also bugged in a somewhat unusual way - the hitcheck and damage source are offset from one another so when the bolt sticks in the ground the radiation origin is some distance below the surface (and below the visual effect), which is why you can often run across the area completely unharmed.

[hofd]

So it works well ! I am trying to isolate some stuffs into packets but a massive fight will be more interesting

>Chord

For PSCap :
Can we have shorcuts for Capture and Saving?
Can you add a save mode after the metadata mode? I always forget to edit or save.

Are you interested to have some packets right now?
And what is the biggest size for a packet? no limit?

I think we need some schedule for testing regulary, like each sunday if people can. Toughts?

[Chord]

I can provide you with the base damage values for most weapons in the game - I have a backup of the stats pages made back in the day by Tippis, DDS250 (a quite extensive Japanese site), and some of the damage degradation charts made by Quovatis.

that's really cool, I will help and save a lot of packets as TR :) see you in game

Sounds good. We'll try for this Sunday.

The Japanese site is actually still online -
http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~dds250/ps/assault_soldier.html#SOLDIER

Note that while the lasher is listed as 29 damage per shot it is actually 30, with severe range degradation.
Weapon range of the projectiles (tank shells, aurora, etc) were limited in part by projectile life - around 4 seconds I think.


The tippis files are no longer available online to my knowledge so i'd have to zip them up and email them on.


Some of the weapons have slightly unusual behaviour. The comet used to inflict different amounts of damage if you landed multiple hits in a short time span (probably some kind of bug in the burn code). It doesn't appear to do that on the daybreak server, though i'm unsure if that has resulted in the current comet being equal to the best of the old versions output, or the worst.

The vanu plasma mortar is also bugged in a somewhat unusual way - the hitcheck and damage source are offset from one another so when the bolt sticks in the ground the radiation origin is some distance below the surface (and below the visual effect), which is why you can often run across the area completely unharmed.

Glad to know someone has done a lot of the work already! If you can, please send those files to chord (at) tuta.io


So it works well ! I am trying to isolate some stuffs into packets but a massive fight will be more interesting

>Chord

For PSCap :
Can we have shorcuts for Capture and Saving?
Can you add a save mode after the metadata mode? I always forget to edit or save.

Are you interested to have some packets right now?
And what is the biggest size for a packet? no limit?

I think we need some schedule for testing regulary, like each sunday if people can. Toughts?

Sure I'll make a shortcut for Capturing. Saving will be the standard Ctrl+S.
What do you mean you forget to edit and save? Doesn't the tool prompt you when you are about to exit or start a new capture that you haven't saved?

If you mean specific packets, not particularly. A lot of coding needs to be done before I can say which ones we really need. If you mean capture files, hold on to them until I make an online submission.

There is no capture size limit! Capture away.

A regular schedule would be good. Sundays might be the prime time for us.

[Ryathorz]

Glad to know someone has done a lot of the work already! If you can, please send those files to chord (at) tuta.ioI've sent the tippis web pages and damage deg images to the address.
If you don't recieve them i'll try from a different email.

The lasher in the tippis docs is the old mk1. The projectile speed of the mk3 is 60m/s IIRC.

To the best of my knowledge all bullet weapons use the same damage falloff as shown in the chart for the MCG/gauss/cycler - dropping 75% in damage between 75m and 200m - but that would have to be verified in-game.

I don't know what kind of curve the quasar uses, and i've got nothing for the turrets but I recall the drop-off was quite severe.

[hofd]

I can't log anymore with the launcher,
the console under show me this :
Failed to gather initial session: The underlying connection was closed: Could not establish trust relationship for the secure channel SSL / TLS.
With the skip, I can start up PS, but my computer can't show the active program at the bottom bar.If I insist with right click, it show me this
http://i.imgur.com/Qy8TWVW.jpg
Fyi, I played afternoon, it worked and now it's 8 p.m. CEST.
So what about captures now :/ ?
edit : does not work with the launchpad tooo,it say the same message, is it only me?


ok false alert, it works fine now O_o

[The Hehateme]

loldrama (c) Oceili

Oh how I've missed this place. Hope everyone is well, and the project works out. Would love to use my sweepor again.

[Chord]

http://psforever.net is now up and running a forum!
Lets move all of the specific conversations over there.

[OpolE]

Try to copy and paste the chain of PSForever topics from here to there.

[OpolE]

Cant register properly. Have a quick check

[p0intman]

Cant register properly. Have a quick check
its been fixed. we need you on the site helping out with wiki stuff and research.