Selling open beta spot

[cynicalscope]

I was on ebay the other day, and I saw something that caught my eye, some dude was selling his open beta spot. Is this legal. If so my spot is open for sale. Not going to be able to participate due to finals.. Let me know

[afex]

it is very much so NOT legal, and i would suggest not trying to sell yours here.

[cynicalscope]

I wasn't going to try to sell it here. I was just asking if it was legal. If there any way that I can give up my spot to someone else then.

[shiflett]

i'll have it :D

[TRscpd]

its legal ppl do it all the time its just SOE would have to pay Ebay off agien :) just like EQ and EQ beta ppl did the same

[McBearclaw]

Yeah, cynicalscope, you can definitely give up that beta spot to someone else. Just PM me with your Station name and password, and I'll take care of the rest. :D

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by TRscpd
its legal ppl do it all the time its just SOE would have to pay Ebay off agien :) just like EQ and EQ beta ppl did the same

Wrong!

Selling of the account in any way shape or form is HIGHLY illegal

[mikkyT]

I'll have it.

Not like i've never done anything illegal before.

its legal ppl do it all the time its just SOE would have to pay Ebay off agien just like EQ and EQ beta ppl did the same

It is not legal, although SOE did pay EBay off so that they would actively remove account auctions (SOE couldn't get EBay to remove auctions so they paid them off)

Its not yours to sell, the account is provided by SOE and remains their "property". Its their data, on their servers, you just use it under licence.

It is also breach of the NDA to allow anyone to access "your" account.

But i'll take it if its going spare, just throw up the software on kazaa or use an FTP server and give me your IP.

[Saethan]

It's not 'illegal' in the sense you're breaking a law, but it is bannable. They will ban you if they find out you're not the origional owner of the beta account. Which isn't hard to find out, since you could be, say, connecting from a different computer than the DXDiag says you should be. :-)

[Squeeky]

Originally posted by Saethan
It's not 'illegal' in the sense you're breaking a law, but it is bannable. They will ban you if they find out you're not the origional owner of the beta account. Which isn't hard to find out, since you could be, say, connecting from a different computer than the DXDiag says you should be. :-)

WRONG!!! again...

Selling this legally opens the doors to SOE to pursue legal action against the person who signed the NDA, This is serious stuff guys, Dont get yourself in trouble :(

[Saethan]

Originally posted by Squeeky
WRONG!!! again...

Selling this legally opens the doors to SOE to pursue legal action against the person who signed the NDA, This is serious stuff guys, Dont get yourself in trouble :(

.. I wouldn't actually expect they'd do anything more than ban the person. Don't think SoE ever has done anything more than that.

[simba]

Originally posted by Saethan
.. I wouldn't actually expect they'd do anything more than ban the person. Don't think SoE ever has done anything more than that.
me neither

[Prowler]

Originally posted by Squeeky
WRONG!!! again...

Selling this legally opens the doors to SOE to pursue legal action against the person who signed the NDA, This is serious stuff guys, Dont get yourself in trouble :(


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[DarkDragon00]

FUNNY SHIT!!!
JUST KILL PEOPLE AND WHEN THEY DIE DO A LITTLE DANCE!!!

[Vis Armata]

Originally posted by Saethan
It's not 'illegal' in the sense you're breaking a law

It's a violation of private law, the law created by the agreement between the beta tester and SOE. Breaching the contract could lead to at least (1) disgorging the profits received by the beta tester, (2) other remedies put into the contract. Banning is one consequense of the breach, but there are other, more serious consequenses opened up on breach. Are you willing to litigate with SOE? With their resources?

Listen to Squeeky, he's right.

[Happy lil Elf]

I wouldn't have expected the RIAA to sue a college student for 97.8 billion dollars either, but they are. Point being companies generally don't like to come down on crap like this, unless they want to make a point. Now usually it's not worth it to make the point, but if they decide to make an example out of you...well...you're screwed ;)

[Vis Armata]

Exactly, Elf.

[Ex70]

you're not suppose to sell everquest accounts either (http://www.playerauctions.com)

[MrVulcan]

** BTW: this is not the 1st beta account sold on e-bay

[cynicalscope]

Well, I got in contact with a SOE rep and asked them about selling/giving up a beta tester account. BOTH are totally illegal, for one you are violating the NDA and second the account would not work when the machine is cross referenced against the dxdiag.

I don't know how much I believe the second one, but I think the first one is enough for me not to even think about selling or giving up my account anymore. If I can't use my account for beta testing, then no one will.

But this does bring up another point. What is the point of playing a game or building a characeter if you are just going to sell the sob off on ebay. So for all those people out there who plan on getting a high user account and then sell it off. Shame on you....

[Silencer22]

just make sure that if your gonna give it away give it to someone like...me...someone who has never had the chance to beta test before...but if I were you...i'd keep in spite...

[Ex70]

Originally posted by cynicalscope
What is the point of playing a game or building a characeter if you are just going to sell the sob off on ebay. So for all those people out there who plan on getting a high user account and then sell it off. Shame on you....

If someone wants to invest hours upon hours of his/her time making a BR20 CR5 character, why shouldn't they be able to do what they want with it? Furthermore, the majority of people that would ever sell a game account probablly never planned that from the start. But it may happen that they have to quit the game for whatever reason, and why not make some money off it?

[Arthell]

Because those pixels dont belong to you, they belong to the game company/developer.

Sounds petty, but its grounds to have legal action taken against you.

[Vis Armata]

You know those lengthly terms and conditions you click throught real quick when installing a game? They're called "clickware" agreements, and they're usually structured in the form of a license agreement, not a transfer of property. Sony keeps it intellectual property rights - including the characters you "lease" - without ever transferring them to you. So that's why you can't assign your characters to someone else, because they're not yours.

[BUGGER]

It is just bull, yall seen copyright laws and know what could happen if some1 see's ya breakin it.......you may get away with buy, copying, then returning the item back, but amagin if they saw....amagine how screwed you'd be.

[WNxUndeadFenix]

omfg cant u ppl listen to sqeeky??? he said WRONG the first time... so that means NO YOU MAY NOT PASS GO! YOU MAY NOT BUY SOMEBODYELSE'S BETA WITH THE 200 DOLLARS EITHER!

[BUGGER]

Notice i was comparin how screwed u'd be if ya bought the beta account. I'm ani-sellin here.;) Plus dont sell cause ur gona sell it for more money than I have...:p

[Kadreal]

ERm, instead of thinking that " Oh, sony will never catch me!" or "It'll just be a small ban" Think straight, when you signed up for beta you read (hopfully) and signed a legal document! Sure it may not seem like much, but sony may have a bad day or go laywer happy and you'll find court summons in your mail box in no time. Like the saying goes, better safe then sorry

[mikkyT]

omfg cant u ppl listen to sqeeky??? he said WRONG the first time... so that means NO YOU MAY NOT PASS GO! YOU MAY NOT BUY SOMEBODYELSE'S BETA WITH THE 200 DOLLARS EITHER!

Are you dumb from birth or just went that way? Nobody cares that it is illegal. Smoking dope is illegal but who gives a fuck. Speeding is illegal but who gives a fuck. Just because some nasty prick in a sharp suit is going to file a lawsuit don't mean jackshit to many people.

OMFG I just looked a www.playerauctions.com and someone is selling a level 65 EQ character for 1,000 USD!!!!!

[mikkyT]

That sounds rather rude when I read it back, still its far too early in the morning and Im tired and at work so Im not editting just adding that I dont mean to flame the guy just pointing out that just cos you cant do it dont mean that people wont, dont be so niaeve (sp?)

[Jammin]

The difference between steeling/doing drugs and selling MMO accounts is that you are not steeling when you smoke some weed or speed but you are when you sell an MMO account. Yes, selling your an MMO game account is theft. Especially since Sony is not selling you a game but rendering you a service. The point isn't if people do it or not, it's if people can be royally screwed from doing it and if it's worth the risk, IMO it isn't.

***Btw, it's spelled naive :) ***

[SubZeroAnarchy]

Since the NDA was dropeed are u allowed to do it now?

[Jammin]

no