Infiltration armor and shield

[Knight309]

K, heres the Q:
Who in beta has tried a shield/infiltration suit combo? It is my thought(and only a thought) that this could possibly up the inf suit to an agile suit (w/o shield) equivalent or at least halfway there?

Is this assumption anywhere near true? Also, i know the shield takes stamina, does the cloak ability take stamina?

Thank you in advance for any responses.

PS. Does the common pool pistol and/or the TR pistol have AP ammo as well as standard?

[Spitnaz]

I haven't tried the combo, but I do use the shield implant and it seems to only absorb a few shots...barely noticeable but when you often win a fight with a few HP left you know it made the difference.

And the stealth suit does not use stamina or energy or anything...you simply toggle it on or off for as long as you like.

All the pistols can use ap ammo as far as I know (expect of course the Vanu energy pistol which can just toggle firing mode).

[Warborn]

I've tried it. First off, the shield uncloaks you when you use it, so it sort of defeats the purpose of being in infiltration armor. Second, the shield goes down really quickly, especially as an infiltrator who's unstealthed.

Moral of the story is that no stealthers will be using shield anytime soon, which IMO is very good, as they'd be pretty damn tough if they could use it and stay cloaked.


Disclaimer: Unstealthing may be a bug though, but I never read that it was. This disclaimer is just a precaution.

[simba]

warborn, y would u activate it when ur invislbe? then no1 shoots on u anyway! try 2 use it when some1 has spotted u and starts 2 shoot at u, or when u start opening fire on some1.

[Knight309]

just an idea. I like simbas idea, never occured to me, even if the shield drains quickly, for an infl suit, thats more defense than it will ever have w/o it.

Thats the reason i thought of the combo.

[Dharkbayne]

the best one for infs is the melee booster,since u will be mainly using the knife, sooooo.... bye


teeny weeny text! weeeeee!!!!

[Warborn]

warborn, y would u activate it when ur invislbe? then no1 shoots on u anyway! try 2 use it when some1 has spotted u and starts 2 shoot at u, or when u start opening fire on some1.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but here goes. When I was testing the shield implant I tried it both while cloaked and when not cloaked. When cloaked, you uncloak and the shield activates. If you re-cloak, shield turns off.

Now, this is unacceptable for the simple fact that you uncloak when you use the shield. I don't know if you're aware of it, but when you attack or hit someone with a gun or knife while cloaked, you do not uncloak. You are uncloaked until you hit K or whatever your Cloak key is set to, or use an implant like the Shield that forces you visible.

So, why not wait until you're being shot to use the shield? For one, you may be killed before you have time to activate the shield. When I was playing an infiltrator, I would always have a Jammer grenade in my hand, ready to throw. The reason being is that if someone has Darklight vision on and they see you, you will be killed before you can draw a grenade and fire it. Let me add emphasis: If they can see you, you die. That's why I consider shield useless. The amount of protection it offers you is neglibile compared to the amount of danger you'll be putting yourself in by uncloaking. One enemy with Darklight is bad enough; giving away your position to every enemy within sight is suicide, and quite honestly, I can think of many far better implants to use to save my tail besides a cloak-disabling Shield.

[simba]

Originally posted by Dharkbayne
the best one for infs is the melee booster,since u will be mainly using the knife, sooooo.... bye


teeny weeny text! weeeeee!!!!
yep the melee booster is a must 4 an infiltrator.
Also quite good with advanced targetting? So u can see the enemies health so u know who 2 attack-the low health guys.

[Ruthless]

is he trying to say that a stealther's shield implant goes down faster than a reinforced's shield implant?

[Warborn]

Originally posted by Dharkbayne
the best one for infs is the melee booster,since u will be mainly using the knife, sooooo.... bye

Not true at all. The knife swings very slowly, and contrary to popular belief, with secondary mode on and melee booster activated, the only people you'll be one-shotting are other infiltrators, and probably guys in Standard armor. AMPs kill faster at the same range, and are less risky than knives are, and they don't require an implant slot to reach their full power, so pretty much all infiltrators use AMPs.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but here goes. When I was testing the shield implant I tried it both while cloaked and when not cloaked. When cloaked, you uncloak and the shield activates. If you re-cloak, shield turns off.

Now, this is unacceptable for the simple fact that you uncloak when you use the shield. I don't know if you're aware of it, but when you attack or hit someone with a gun or knife while cloaked, you do not uncloak. You are uncloaked until you hit K or whatever your Cloak key is set to, or use an implant like the Shield that forces you visible.

So, why not wait until you're being shot to use the shield? For one, you may be killed before you have time to activate the shield. When I was playing an infiltrator, I would always have a Jammer grenade in my hand, ready to throw. The reason being is that if someone has Darklight vision on and they see you, you will be killed before you can draw a grenade and fire it. Let me add emphasis: If they can see you, you die. That's why I consider shield useless. The amoun
It of protection it offers you is neglibile compared to the amount of danger you'll be putting yourself in by uncloaking. One enemy with Darklight is bad enough; giving away your position to every enemy within sight is suicide, and quite honestly, I can think of many far better implants to use to save my tail besides a cloak-disabling Shield.
why would u use shield implant and uncloak when ur not even seen!?
If it doesent take a while 2 activate the shield from when u hitting the button till it activates I cant see how the enemy could beat u into killing u b4 u have the shield on if u do know how 2 hit a button at a keyboard.
It aint that hard.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
Not true at all. The knife swings very slowly, and contrary to popular belief, with secondary mode on and melee booster activated, the only people you'll be one-shotting are other infiltrators, and probably guys in Standard armor. AMPs kill faster at the same range, and are less risky than knives are, and they don't require an implant slot to reach their full power, so pretty much all infiltrators use AMPs.
4 now, but that shouldent b it when the game realeses,
spys dont use uzis! (well amp:s looks like a uzi 2 me)
They should b better with the knife instaed when the game hit the shelfs, otherwise it would b stupid.

[simba]

Originally posted by Ruthless
is he trying to say that a stealther's shield implant goes down faster than a reinforced's shield implant?
maybe, I dunno :)

[Warborn]

Originally posted by simba
why would u use shield implant and uncloak when ur not even seen!?

Who said I would?

If it doesent take a while 2 activate the shield from when u hitting the button till it activates I cant see how the enemy could beat u into killing u b4 u have the shield on if u do know how 2 hit a button at a keyboard.
It aint that hard.

Maybe, maybe not. If you have your finger ready over the key, sure, you could probably do it. But, who cares? If you reveal yourself by turning on the Shield, you're as good as dead anyway. Which was the entire point you so faithfully missed.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by simba
4 now, but that shouldent b it when the game realeses,
spys dont use uzis! (well amp:s looks like a uzi 2 me)
They should b better with the knife instaed when the game hit the shelfs, otherwise it would b stupid.

Nobody has been complaining about it, so I rather doubt it'll change.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
Who said I would?



Maybe, maybe not. If you have your finger ready over the key, sure, you could probably do it. But, who cares? If you reveal yourself by turning on the Shield, you're as good as dead anyway. Which was the entire point you so faithfully missed.

you said u would.
Maybe, maybe not? Who cares? Me! U might b alive longer than without the implant otherwise. Why would u reveal urself by uncloaking again!? Why do u keep talking about reaviling urself by activating the shield when ur not even seen!?
I dunno anyway.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
Nobody has been complaining about it, so I rather doubt it'll change.

hehe, then this game has problems. Hi im a spy, wot weapon do I use? knife? NO! Sniper rifle? NO!
Well whatever u use it cant b a uzi. It is a uzi!
eh???????????
then I REALLLLLLLLLLY wonder y knifes really exist in this game, they should take away knifes if EVERYTHING is better than it. Or change it so the stealther can do something.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
Nobody has been complaining about it, so I rather doubt it'll change.

hehe, then this game has problems. Hi im a spy, wot weapon do I use? knife? NO! Sniper rifle? NO!
Well whatever u use it cant b a uzi. It is a uzi!
eh???????????
then I REALLLLLLLLLLY wonder y knifes really exist in this game, they should take away knifes if EVERYTHING is better than it. Or change it so the stealther can do something.

oh sorry 4 the double post :(

[Dharkbayne]

Usually, when u get found, you are in the CC, at too close of range, so no matter what, ur dead, so u wanna kill the ppl before they see u, and usually its an agile that goes in first, or a MAX, agiles are ez to kill, 2nd mode and melee boost kills them in 1 hit, so, it roxxorz, ive killed tons of ppl with mah knife, and the vanu laser pistol is nice too, I like fuckin with nme maxes, saying like "What you can't see, CAN HURT YOU" and then shooting them a couple of times with their backs turned then hiding, muahahahahahahhahah, if you get a tell from me and u get shot, BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID! MUIAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAAHAHAHAHA **Dances in a circle**

[Tieom]

I'd take surge over personal shield...
Apparently it works the best, and lasts the longest, with infiltrator armor, so you'd be burning it outta the range of their darklight. If you're inside, you'd be around a corner in a tenth of a second. Then you just lay low on the roof until Mr. Darklight decides it's not worth it searching for ya...

[simba]

lol dhark, r u allright? ;)
Dhark owns some asses with the knife, well done my friend.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by simba
you said u would.

No, I didn't.

Maybe, maybe not? Who cares? Me! U might b alive longer than without the implant otherwise.

No, you wouldn't. I can think of a number of other implants which would give you a longer lifespan without forcing your cloak to come down.

Why would u reveal urself by uncloaking again!? Why do u keep talking about reaviling urself by activating the shield when ur not even seen!? [/B]

If you're being fired upon, which is when Shield would be of any use, you're probably being seen under Darklight vision, so it doesn't really matter that you're still cloaked. At this point, you'd activate your Sheidl, right? I mean, you're being shot, so that's when Shield is any good. Once you activate Shield, you are forced, by the game, to uncloak.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by Dharkbayne
Usually, when u get found, you are in the CC, at too close of range, so no matter what, ur dead, so u wanna kill the ppl before they see u, and usually its an agile that goes in first, or a MAX, agiles are ez to kill, 2nd mode and melee boost kills them in 1 hit, so, it roxxorz, ive killed tons of ppl with mah knife, and the vanu laser pistol is nice too, I like fuckin with nme maxes, saying like "What you can't see, CAN HURT YOU" and then shooting them a couple of times with their backs turned then hiding, muahahahahahahhahah, if you get a tell from me and u get shot, BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID! MUIAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAAHAHAHAHA **Dances in a circle**

The fact that you said you like the Vanu pistol as an infiltrator makes me absolutely positive you've never played the Beta in your life.

For the folks who've never used the Vanu pistol before, it shoots a nice, pretty beam of teal light when not in armor piercing mode. What's so bad about this? Part of the point of being an infiltrator is being stealthy. Projecting a beam of teal light from your previously unknown location toward your target doesn't exactly help.

[LesserShade]

The knife on secondary fire is pretty tough, i seem to get 2 shotted in reinforced by knives quite a bit if i don't have personal shield.

I think the knife with melee booster in secondary fire is probably best for reinforced armor. Standard, infils, and agile seem to go down quick with an amp or god forbid, a scatter pistol. Omg, if you are an NC cloaker and you aren't using a scatter pistol, you're on crack.

The TR Repeater is sweet though, while not as powerful as the scatterpistol it has the accuracy of like the supressor basically so it can snipe from pretty far away where as the other pistols need to be almost point blank to be effective.

oh and if you are vanu, use the amp :/

[Warborn]

Yeah, when I used to use an infiltrator, I'd have an outdoor and indoor setup, the former being with the Repeater. It's ass indoors compared to the AMP, but outside you can get some nice kills with it due to its accuracy.

[mr_luc]

simba's posts are slowly making me go insane.

Anyways -- I would think that Regen and Surge would be the most useful to me. Why?

Well, if someone has Darklight, I seriously doubt I am going to be able to hide behind stuff and them not see me. I mean, there isn't that much cover in PS. Instead, I will just Surge the hell away from that Darklight guy, and Regen will heal my wounds. Then I will come back and try to catch him off guard.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
No, I didn't.



No, you wouldn't. I can think of a number of other implants which would give you a longer lifespan without forcing your cloak to come down.



If you're being fired upon, which is when Shield would be of any use, you're probably being seen under Darklight vision, so it doesn't really matter that you're still cloaked. At this point, you'd activate your Sheidl, right? I mean, you're being shot, so that's when Shield is any good. Once you activate Shield, you are forced, by the game, to uncloak.

you didnt!? I thougth u said it 5 times!


u wouldent live longer? Oh so when the infiltrator wears an shield implant it wont work? U sure is telling me that when ur saying: no it wont give u a longer life!



if ur being fired upon yes! then u would activate the implant, ur forced 2 uncloak, SO? He has seen u anyway! *cought* darklight *cought*
I dont really know wot any of the things just said made sense.

[Warborn]

Both are very good choices, luc. Also, as an added bonus, from using Surge while in 3rd person mode, I don't think it makes you any more visible than if you were running at normal (Unsurged) speed. While that's still pretty noticeable, if you're moving fast as you do while Surged, people won't be able to react fast enough to shoot you (unless they're gunhappy, but those guys are probably weaponlocked from shooting their own infiltrators anyway).

[simba]

Originally posted by mr_luc
simba's posts are slowly making me go insane.

Anyways -- I would think that Regen and Surge would be the most useful to me. Why?

Well, if someone has Darklight, I seriously doubt I am going to be able to hide behind stuff and them not see me. I mean, there isn't that much cover in PS. Instead, I will just Surge the hell away from that Darklight guy, and Regen will heal my wounds. Then I will come back and try to catch him off guard.

when ur escaping ur running backwards, right? So the shield doesent defend u from back attacks? If it would it would b as good as regen if it woudlent take more stamina than regen.

[Dharkbayne]

I usually use the knife, pistol is only backup, I just use it because of the flexibility with AP and basic rounds, with only 1 ammo type, I usually just use it to fuck with ppl, u know, hide on the roof of the bases with Vpads on top, and when someone goes out, shoot him a few times and hide, muahaha

[Warborn]

Originally posted by simba
when ur escaping ur running backwards, right? So the shield doesent defend u from back attacks? If it would it would b as good as regen if it woudlent take more stamina than regen.

Shield "heals" more damage than regen, but only in the form of blocking damage. One thing I actually forgot to mention, though: When you are reduced to 0 Stamina, you move at walking speed until you stop moving for a few seconds regen some Stamina. So using Shield may very well reduce you to walking speed, too.

[simba]

ok war were not talking much sense here, we r just repeating eachother, hard 2 understand eachother.
Shield is not good as infil unless ur in a bloody firefight against 1 guy low on hp.
Thankyou 4 the flamewar or whatever the name is.

[mr_luc]

The personal shield eats stamina very quickly, I have been told.

Also, you have to activate both implants. Now, given that if someone sees me with DL, I probably won't have much time to react, I am going to need to get the fudge out of there -- activating 2 implants at once would make my tiny hardwired brain explode. With regen, once I get to safety, I can get back to 100% health.

Which is really the big issue as I see it. Health is all an inf has, and Regen will let you get back to 100%. Personal Shield is a temporary effect that will help you stay alive under fire longer -- but apparently not much longer, and besides, the stamina cost really seems to outweigh any benefits.

I will probably be playing my Inf character with one finger over Surge at all times, and in fact I will probably use it to get around as much as possible when there is no danger of being seen, since I can always stand perfectly still and regain stamina.

[simba]

Originally posted by Warborn
Shield "heals" more damage than regen, but only in the form of blocking damage. One thing I actually forgot to mention, though: When you are reduced to 0 Stamina, you move at walking speed until you stop moving for a few seconds regen some Stamina. So using Shield may very well reduce you to walking speed, too.
nice, gg!

[simba]

Originally posted by mr_luc
The personal shield eats stamina very quickly, I have been told.

Also, you have to activate both implants. Now, given that if someone sees me with DL, I probably won't have much time to react, I am going to need to get the fudge out of there -- activating 2 implants at once would make my tiny hardwired brain explode. With regen, once I get to safety, I can get back to 100% health.

Which is really the big issue as I see it. Health is all an inf has, and Regen will let you get back to 100%. Personal Shield is a temporary effect that will help you stay alive under fire longer -- but apparently not much longer, and besides, the stamina cost really seems to outweigh any benefits.

I will probably be playing my Inf character with one finger over Surge at all times, and in fact I will probably use it to get around as much as possible when there is no danger of being seen, since I can always stand perfectly still and regain stamina.
u dont have infinit amounts of stamina 4 regen either, u cant heal very much at all. And the enemy would prolly catch u up on ur way running from him.
CRAP. sorry

[�io]

Just FYI you can use a lot of implants "free of charge" if you're crouched and not moving. You stamina fills up more or less at the same rate as it is decreased.

[Warborn]

Originally posted by simba
ok war were not talking much sense here, we r just repeating eachother, hard 2 understand eachother.
Shield is not good as infil unless ur in a bloody firefight against 1 guy low on hp.
Thankyou 4 the flamewar or whatever the name is.

Flame war? I can hardly understand you, let alone get into an actual argument with you.

[Deveral]

Warborn and Lessershade, you two seem (along with Dio) have been very helpful on this subject. Thank you for your info. I want to make a NC Inf and I was wondering would a MAG-Scatter or an AMP be better for an NC stealther? Which does more damage and what ranges do they become useless (close, medium, long)?

[FliggenMan]

the whole point of an infiltrator is not to be seen, so dont try to invent ways to escape when yer seen. chances are even if you used a shield to escape and then deactivated it to enable cloaking again, then the guy who you were up against would most likely warn his nearby squad members to activate darklight and there'd be no escape.

[Matuse]

hard 2 understand eachother.

Warborn speaks with great clarity.

You speak like an over-medicated 3 year old with delusions of dewdism. I hope for your sake that it is due to not being a native english speaker.

I will try and repeat his arguement as simply as possible:

1. Infiltrator have no armor, and die very easily when they get hit.

2. It is better to not be hit, than to absorb what hits you.

3. The shield implant REMOVES STEALTH when activated.

4. A good infiltrator is only going to be spotted by people using darklight.

5. Not everyone uses darklight, so not everyone will see you.

6. It is better to remain stealthed and use another implant (ie: Surge) than to become visible and expose yourself to ALL of the enemy, rather than just the darklighters.

7. The only time you would have the shield activated is if you were being hit (because of stamina drain, and to be invisible).

8. In the time it takes for you to turn on your shield to prevent damage, you are already dead.

Shield implant is BAD for infiltrators.