Geforce FX's price and performance for ps?

[Venoxile]

This is just fucked up, i keep seeing prices for geforce fx 5200's at somewhere from $80-$120, wtf is with this? Is that just for the box or something? lol, i've looked through the specs at different sites and i can't find why the price is so low. The manufacturing companies on these low priced fx's are evga and xfx, what are they deformed or something, lol?
Check out this link... u have to scroll down to get past the geforce mx's to get to the fx's.

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=geforce+fx

I trust newegg, they don't fuck up on prices, and i've also seen the same prices at different sites. Can someone please tell me why the prices cost so god damn fucking low?

[Venoxile]

ugh... *shudders*, bump.

[Sputty]

Weird

[mr_luc]

DAAAAAAAAMN.

[Confectrix]

It can't be right.

[Venoxile]

It is, i've checked over 5 sites, including cnet. And yes, finally a response with more then 1 word! Success!

[mr_luc]

Oh, wait . . . are those all 5200's, not 5800's?

[Prowler]

I ordered a 5200, 128meg GF FX, should be coming anyday!!

[Venoxile]

Originally posted by Venoxile
It is, i've checked over 5 sites, including cnet. And yes, finally a response with more then 1 word! Success!

My best guess is the first batch of fx's shipped had been mistakenly shipped with slow processing units, look at the speeds. 6.4 gb/sec memory bandwidth. 1 billion texels per sec, 63 million vertices per sec.

[Venoxile]

Originally posted by mr_luc
Oh, wait . . . are those all 5200's, not 5800's?

That's not the point, they cost less then 4600s, 4400s, and sadly 4200s. They only 30$-50$ more then mx cards.

[Confectrix]

6.4 gb/sec bandwidth, jesus. I never really looked at the NV30's specs but man....

the R300 gets 19.8 gb/s bandwidth.

:eek:

I'd wait till r300 price drops [and then go ati] due to the release [mass shipment] of the r350.

[mr_luc]

It's not a MISTAKE.

Think of the 5200 FX as nVidia's new generation of GeForce4 MX cards -- they're counting on its similarity to the 5800 namewise to generate sales. They aren't even trying to hide that it's geared much lower.

Should still rock the box for PS -- better than my GF4 4200Ti 128mb -- but it's nowhere NEAR 5800 speed.

[Subliminal]

Because, simply put it performs worse then a 128mb ti4200... If you look at a side by side spec comparison it seems the ti4200 is substantially better, maybe the 5200 is just the gf4 mx420 of the Fx line... Please dont flame me if im wrong.

[mr_luc]

Originally posted by Subliminal
Because, simply put it performs worse then a 128mb ti4200... If you look at a side by side spec comparison it seems the ti4200 is substantially better, maybe the 5200 is just the gf4 mx420 of the Fx line... Please dont flame me if im wrong.

DOH!

Wait . . . so my card *is* better?

WOOHOO!

[NoSurrender]

the 5200 is the low end model for the FX series

[Prowler]

Its still good though...:rolleyes:

[Venoxile]

I wouldn't say it's "good", i'd say it's "shit" compared to any other high performance card. Thanks for the answers, i was looking at those low prices and those shitty speeds and it was boggling my mind...
Anyone think that the radeon 9700 pro will drop lower then 300$ before june? I doubt it, and i can afford paying 300$ for it, but it's always a good idea to wait and try to save money if possible.
You guys think a radeon 9700 pro could run at full settings with a 1.8 gig athlon xp? If not, what would be the minimum gig for an athlon xp and full settings with a 9700 pro?

[Sputty]

Well, iyt's around 300 now. Heh, 520 CDN. Carry the Y.... Ok, it should be around 350 or something

[OneManArmy]

pfft, you can get them for $270

[Venoxile]

pssst, where? pssst.

[Prowler]

Originally posted by Venoxile
pssst, where? pssst.


Ya where lol

[Virtuoso]

Wait a month and a few days. The price will drop considerably.

-Virt

[OneManArmy]

there you go

http://www.ateck.com/viewItem.asp?idProduct=453055075

[MrVulcan]

All I can say is that I got to see the 5800 work, and :eek: that is one SWEET card!!! kills my 4600 by far! It is the king of cards.

*lol, that sounded funny :p

[Bluegold]

You can find third-party manufactured Radeon 9700 Pro cards for just over $300. And get this - last month I ran into a full-blown ATI standard 9700 Pro card that retails for $400 with a $100 INSTANT REBATE at none other than BEST BUY. What kind of insane luck is that? And it was the last day of the sale, so I had to pick it up for my new system config :)

Side note: The R300 core of the 9700 Pro KILLS anything but the highest model of Geforce FX which is buggy, ugly as a horse's ass, and takes of TWO slots. Why go with anything else??

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by Bluegold
You can find third-party manufactured Radeon 9700 Pro cards for just over $300. And get this - last month I ran into a full-blown ATI standard 9700 Pro card that retails for $400 with a $100 INSTANT REBATE at none other than BEST BUY. What kind of insane luck is that? And it was the last day of the sale, so I had to pick it up for my new system config :)

Side note: The R300 core of the 9700 Pro KILLS anything but the highest model of Geforce FX which is buggy, ugly as a horse's ass, and takes of TWO slots. Why go with anything else??

cuz I have seen sooo much crash on radon cards, ill stick with my g4-4600 thanks ;)

[Venoxile]

which manufacturer makes the best 9700 pro? I know that ati makes them with the highest clock speed, i don't know much more about the 3rd party manufacturers.

[Sputty]

Why are people saying the Radeon crashes? Which Radeon? The original? The new chips don't crash so you've heard wrong if you think it's new. Hell, my 8500 never has a prob.

[Mephistroth]

I think ATI cards are a lot better than NVidia, I mean, the new R9800 pro totally smokes the GeForce FX, in almost every test PCGamer took. Anyway, I can't afford a 9700 or 9800 cause im poor, lol. So im looking for a decent card at a decent price, maybe a R9500, but I just found a 9700 pro made by ATI directly for $266. That's a pretty nice price. Too bad I only have 200$... sigh.....:(

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by Venoxile
which manufacturer makes the best 9700 pro? I know that ati makes them with the highest clock speed, i don't know much more about the 3rd party manufacturers.

ati=ati=ati
geforce= 500 diff ones

if your getting radon, just get ati, they are the only ones

and sputty, I have used the 9700 and it crashed on ArmadaII, EliteForce, STNewWorlds, and Tetris (just to name a few) I will admit that all games listed have had fixes made for them, and that the test was done the day it came out, but I have never found 1 thing that my 4600 cant run. Not that the radons are bad cards, I just find that in game you can pump a little more out in gforce (when you have them running side by sind on 21 inch moniters, the gforce seems to be just slightly crisper on the shadowing), and I have not found a game that has crashed with it. Just my expirences though :)

*actually, thats not true, I have not seen a card in 5 years that can run KKND1, dont know why, but they cant.

[Venoxile]

yes, your experiences meaning you're wrong, and it shows with every benchmark test of any radeon 9700 pro and any nvidia geforce 4 ti 4600 despite the manufacturers of each.

[Mephistroth]

I actually meant to say on my last post that you order the card from ATI for the price, not the card is made by ATI. Anyway i read the thingy wrong and its actually from Ateck Computers INC.

[MrVulcan]

:lol: the benchmark tests the base numbers, not test of switching dynamically, the test for dynamic switchs from 1 set of requirements to another does show the gforce above the radon. The radons have gotten better numbers on the benchmark forever, it is the ability to change from 1 set of info to the other that the g-force is better at :p

The only way to see waht is better is to get 2 identical systems, huge monitors and set them side by side, and run the same game, and see what one looks/acts better, thats it. Everything else is bogus.

Besides, the best one ever made was one for a unix system about 10 years ago, that still is soo much better than any out today, it was in part devoloped by IBM, but they never sold it, jsut demoed it showing that it was possible :p

[Bluegold]

As far as best 3rd party 9700 Pro, the Hercules 3D Prophet is very cool - and a bit speedier. Ati still makes the most solid model, though.

On Radeon crashes - when? I've been running various ATI cards for 3 years and have NEVER experienced ONE bug. And on the last post - why would you ever even consider results of tests that were performed the DAY of release at which time no patches were available and now are all covered?

Also, since when can you pump more out of a Geforce 4? The 9700 Pro, benchmark-wise, puts the 4600 to shame and has better pixels/quality.

Finally - I just looked at more benchmarks besides the PC gamer ones - the 9800 annihilates the FX 5800 in almost everything, especially when image quality is turned up (often posting DOUBLE the score of the FX).

[MrVulcan]

Originally posted by Bluegold
As far as best 3rd party 9700 Pro, the Hercules 3D Prophet is very cool - and a bit speedier. Ati still makes the most solid model, though.

On Radeon crashes - when? I've been running various ATI cards for 3 years and have NEVER experienced ONE bug. And on the last post - why would you ever even consider results of tests that were performed the DAY of release at which time no patches were available and now are all covered?

Also, since when can you pump more out of a Geforce 4? The 9700 Pro, benchmark-wise, puts the 4600 to shame and has better pixels/quality.

Finally - I just looked at more benchmarks besides the PC gamer ones - the 9800 annihilates the FX 5800 in almost everything, especially when image quality is turned up (often posting DOUBLE the score of the FX).

1st off, we tested it cuz it was new, and we went ohhhh coooollll lets play with it! :lol: and I have not tested it since :p

And like I said, the benchmark tests do not give accurate results when dealing with how fast the card can switch from different parameters (shadow to no shadow, etc) the only test I use is the one stated above....

Yes, the 9800 does have more power on paper than the 5800, by far, of that it is clear, but I will not take a side with that one until I see my 2 systems side by side playing with them, 1 card in each, then I will decide what one I like, but yes, it does look like the 5800 is not anywhere the card that the 9800 is.

[Venoxile]

Doesn't ATI make different versions of the 9700 pro? I keep seeing different memory, clockspeeds, and other speeds on ati 9700 pros.

[SloPoke]

So which to choose?

Personally I think im going with the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. Though this may seem like a no brainer, I was perviously a Nvidia fan. But if im gonna shell out 399$:edit: put 4 instead of 3 no flame plzkthx =) :edit: USD, id rather have the card thats gonna put out more and stay with me longer.

Besides, from what ive read its abit tricky to overclock the Geforce FX 5800. Read about this here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1779&p=3) . Though like they've said here that might change. And i really dont like the idea that its going to use up a PCI slot for the fan...

Though when we look into ATI's Radeon 9800 we see that its basicly an overclocked 9700 with afew added bells and whistles. Read about this here (http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1794&p=2) . (if you havent noticed, im kinda throwing both sides in.)

Though, the 9800 pro is the card for me.

As for different 9700 pro clockspeeds, i think thats just depends on the people building it. ATI usually clocks the card to its fullest potential, but 3rd party vendors might not do the same.

[MrVulcan]

If you want to pay the $$$ I would prob go for the 9800 pro (actually, I would wait a bit to see if there are any major problems with them, but if I got 1 now, prob get the 9800pro)

[OneManArmy]

yup, I was an nvidia fan too (i was also a 3dfx fan :rolleyes: )

but the 9500 PRO hath shown me the light, and although I won't be getting a new card for a LONG time, It will probally be an ATI (unless Nvidia hets thier shit together)

(I just love running AA on all my games without any performance hit... me hate jaggies...)

[Zatrais]

OMA has seen the light that is AA and FA! praise teh smooth clear images! hehe

I used to love 3dFX, but then i got a TnT2, then i loved nVidia, then i got a 9700 pro and now i love ATI. Can't play whitout AA and FA, everything looks fugly whitout it.