Max Cert Level 12

[Viva]

Lets make it a special reward for those who have paid their dues. Don't just up and give away the best player to a level one who is still learning which way is up. I love the infantry but I have to put way to many certs in to get an anti-max weapon just to kill one indoors.

Shogun

[Spider]

What, what in the what, what now?

[Hamma]

:confused:

[FearTheAtlas]

Indeed, :confused:

[Homicide]

I think he is trying to say that he would like it if you had to be Battle rank 12 before you can use a MAX. That or he thinks you should have to use 12 cert points to get the cert.


I have to say that I agree.....Max's are bad MOFOs and you can get one right when you start the game, the way it is now. However, I will say that I think the reason the cert requirements are so low right now is because the dev team would like to have people test all kinds of different abilities and make sure everything is working right.

[Zarparchior]

Damn Homicide, you need to teach us Jybberish. :D

[Kaikou]

eh, BR12 to get MAX would be a bit extreme don't you think? being more than half way to max level and barely getting one cert? unless it was something like MAX costs 2 cert points but it isn't accessable until 12...still that would be a bit extreme, but more reasonable.

I dunno, I won't be using the MAX..if so very rarely...

I belong in the sky :D

[Harps]

yah i would think more of a lower level .. maybe 7 or 8 ... i wouldnt know though im not in beta but isnt it hard to get to lvl 12 ?

[Airlift]

It would be ok for MAXes to require a Reinforced Armor prereq again, but level 12 is excessive, I think.

[Hamma]

I concur with Airlift.

[mistled]

:stupid:

[DarkDragon00]

just make it so that exo-reinforeced is a prerequisite, it makes sense! Its the next heaviest armor next to the MAX!

[OneManArmy]

:stupid:

[Homicide]

:stupid:

I agree that the rank 12 thing is a little harsh. When I said I agree earlier I meant I agree that somthing needs to be done about it. :D

[BeerJedi]

:stupid:

I agree, make reinforced a pre-requisite. And at battle rank 5, u can be very effective against MAXs.

[Euroclydon]

I wouldn't mind the MAX being worth 5 or 6 certs, except you get all the kinds of MAXs instead of just one weapon config.

[Crash_Site]

Pfft, makin restrictions like that for this game would make it too much like a RPG. This is an FPS and a MAX is a legit part to any squad. Max Armors have the upper hand like they should. They are tougher armors indeed... It does not mean they are impossible to kill. It may take you a few lives or one. You people make it out like its not even thinkable to do. Max's are good as they are... I am level 13 right now... In open beta... started at level 1. I am not saying favor us newbies, I am speaking from my experience with the game so far. I see no problem with max armor strength. Maybe if you people worked as a team more often you wouldnt complain about them so much.

[Gerico]

The key word is "balance" Crash_Site, theres no balance in a cheap and deadly weapon.

[Crash_Site]

There is balance. This is an FPS, not a RPG. A team base FPS.

How would a cert limit "balance" a MAX with other classes? They will still be out there... It's not hard to get to BR 12. I did it in 5 days, considering all the time the servers are down, this is definently not a hard feat.

You need different things, and a MAX by itself will not take a base... Other max's can take it out, I take em out with Agile Exo and a rocket Launcher from Special Assult. A max is more or less a vehicle. It even has a 5 minute reuse timer. It cannot hack.

You need to change tactics to take out different targets. How can you balance a Heavy Class with a Light class? Have you ever tried to take out a medium class with an Anti-Air max? It is very difficult. I think most of you have problems with the Infentry Specialty Max Armors. The Max's that Specialize in soft target destruction. They are suppose to be infentry killers...

Don't you think it is fun and exciting, engaging a MAX, knowing he has an upper hand, firing off a magazine of ammo or rockets... Not take him down, know you have to run and hide to reload. It's something different.

Also, every kingdom/faction/side has max armors. And what is important is balancing sides, not classes. This is a major issue I think you guys are confusing yourselves with. TR Max=VN Max=NC Max. NC Max>TR Medium assult. Not NC Max=TR Medium Assult.

Remember this is an FPS... Not an RPG. Not every class has to balance with other classes. But, every faction must balance with other factions.

[Freedon]

MAXes are available to everyone though. That is what makes the difference. There is no restriction for anyone to get one.

IMO leave them the way they are. PS will go through phases where everyone will be MAXes until people are just packing AP weaponry. Then everyone will migrate to something else.

Edit: By no restriction I mean that at level 1 anyone can get the certs for them.

[simba]

Originally posted by Crash_Site
Pfft, makin restrictions like that for this game would make it too much like a RPG. This is an FPS and a MAX is a legit part to any squad. Max Armors have the upper hand like they should. They are tougher armors indeed... It does not mean they are impossible to kill. It may take you a few lives or one. You people make it out like its not even thinkable to do. Max's are good as they are... I am level 13 right now... In open beta... started at level 1. I am not saying favor us newbies, I am speaking from my experience with the game so far. I see no problem with max armor strength. Maybe if you people worked as a team more often you wouldnt complain about them so much.
so what weapon is better? A max weapon or a supressor? Tought question huh? Wot armour is better? standard or MAX armour? 650 armourV50????????????????????? MAXes got armour and weapons, and it only takes 3 cert points which u can get when u begin the game, if u team up with a squad who has a hacker u can enter a base and hack it right from the start without taking a single hacking cert.
I say u cant take the max armour untill level 9 or 10. GREAT point
VIVA!
Sure u can also do the reinforced prequiste soloution.

[simba]

Originally posted by Freedon
MAXes are available to everyone though. That is what makes the difference. There is no restriction for anyone to get one.

IMO leave them the way they are. PS will go through phases where everyone will be MAXes until people are just packing AP weaponry. Then everyone will migrate to something else.

Edit: By no restriction I mean that at level 1 anyone can get the certs for them.
AP wont do anything to maxes, there is not anything called AP, wot is AP???? They took AP away when they decided u HAD TO HAVE AV WEAPONS TO KILL A MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God SOE is morons.
Sorry but there is no thing as AP, not anymore.

[Gerico]

Thats strange simba, am sure I killed two maxes today with AP rounds in my Sweeper. :rolleyes:

[simba]

Originally posted by Crash_Site
There is balance. This is an FPS, not a RPG. A team base FPS.

How would a cert limit "balance" a MAX with other classes? They will still be out there... It's not hard to get to BR 12. I did it in 5 days, considering all the time the servers are down, this is definently not a hard feat.

You need different things, and a MAX by itself will not take a base... Other max's can take it out, I take em out with Agile Exo and a rocket Launcher from Special Assult. A max is more or less a vehicle. It even has a 5 minute reuse timer. It cannot hack.

You need to change tactics to take out different targets. How can you balance a Heavy Class with a Light class? Have you ever tried to take out a medium class with an Anti-Air max? It is very difficult. I think most of you have problems with the Infentry Specialty Max Armors. The Max's that Specialize in soft target destruction. They are suppose to be infentry killers...

Don't you think it is fun and exciting, engaging a MAX, knowing he has an upper hand, firing off a magazine of ammo or rockets... Not take him down, know you have to run and hide to reload. It's something different.

Also, every kingdom/faction/side has max armors. And what is important is balancing sides, not classes. This is a major issue I think you guys are confusing yourselves with. TR Max=VN Max=NC Max. NC Max>TR Medium assult. Not NC Max=TR Medium Assult.

Remember this is an FPS... Not an RPG. Not every class has to balance with other classes. But, every faction must balance with other factions.
U did it in 5 days? hehe right.
ah by rocket launcher u mean rocklet or decimator? Sure a decimator rulz at close range I think, a rocklet I dunno.
"Balancing sides not classes" Ya what you need to do now is balancing MAX armours, or making AP ammo do more dmg to them.
Yes its fun to kill a MAX couse its not usuall, a MAX is a one man armour, an agile is an one man armour, MAX has 3 times better weapons than the agile and the MAX has 13 times better armour, WHO WILL WIN? Its pretty obios the MAX will the most of the times. If the max engage 2 people, then its 1v2. But also then prolly the max will win, that makes it able to kill more people than he is himself which makes it unbalanced by killing the other team faster than they kill you.

[simba]

Originally posted by Gerico
Thats strange simba, am sure I killed two maxes today with AP rounds in my Sweeper. :rolleyes:
OH GOD 2 MAXES!? MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UR A PRO! :rolleyes:
u know 2 maxes isnt allot :confused: . Hope so, it depends on the time u played, the enviroment u played in, how many maxes u saw, how hurted they were and allot of other things. If u played 20 minutes or lesser then I guess 2 maxes is pretty good, if the 2 maxes is quite hurted then its pretty easy to kill them which u prolly didnt knew.
Someone told me it took 20 AP sweeper rounds to kill a MAX, that cant be true coz the same person told me the sweeper was a good MAX killing weapon, haha sure.

[simba]

Originally posted by Gerico
The key word is "balance" Crash_Site, theres no balance in a cheap and deadly weapon.
thats so true.

[Crash_Site]

Originally posted by simba
so what weapon is better? A max weapon or a supressor? Tought question huh? Wot armour is better? standard or MAX armour? 650 armourV50????????????????????? MAXes got armour and weapons, and it only takes 3 cert points which u can get when u begin the game, if u team up with a squad who has a hacker u can enter a base and hack it right from the start without taking a single hacking cert.
I say u cant take the max armour untill level 9 or 10. GREAT point
VIVA!
Sure u can also do the reinforced prequiste soloution.

Exactly... You have to team up. I dare you to go head and team up, yourself in Max, and your buddy in light so he can hack for you. See how long you stand with 1 max defending. Sure sometimes this may work... heck sometimes Inf/Hackers take bases alone. It all depends on resistance.

During that 15 minutes, chances are you will see some sort of resistance... Enemy Max's and Infentry... You will not stand unless you have more than 1 hacker buddy with you. Max's don't do squat in this game alone.

Like I said... The Max's are balanced with our faction Max's. It would be horribly rediculous to balance them with other classes. Max's cant pilot vehicles, they can't hack, they get one weapon. They cant use their engineer or medic certs if they have them, they are stuck in Max while they are in it. There are already balancing issues on Max's that I think make them good the way they are. Most squads take Galaxies to their destinations... Galaxies with 2 Max seats.


I cannot stress the fact enough that balancing in a team based FPS's must be among sides/factions/kingdoms and not classes. Each class has it's own limited use, and Max's at the moment fall under the same categories.

A max cannot heal a person, just like a medic cannot tear through a few infentry with ease. A max cannot fix a invo or heal armor the same way a engineer can. A soft target max cannot take out an air vehicle the same way a medium assult class can with AV learned. An Anti Vehicle Max cannot take out infentry the same way a scout can with a melee boost and a knife. Or a Heavy Assult class with mini chain gun.

[Gerico]

Did I say I was a pro? Don't think so... I merely pointed out that AP ammo does work and you was just talking trash. Also two MAXs is good :) was chuffed with that.

20 AP rounds with a Sweeper is an accurate guess and thats only 3 clips, I see that as a decent MAX killing weapon, hell what you want him to do, roll over and die after the first shot?

[Freedon]

Originally posted by simba
AP wont do anything to maxes, there is not anything called AP, wot is AP???? They took AP away when they decided u HAD TO HAVE AV WEAPONS TO KILL A MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God SOE is morons.
Sorry but there is no thing as AP, not anymore. By AP I meant AV. Since only one works I see no need to differentiate between the two.

[alphabet]

Infantry are jack of all trades and can do anything in-game depending on how they equip themselves. MAX do not have that option. MAX are designed for one thing and one thing only, depending on which model you choose, either anti-air, anti-vehicle or anti-infantry.

Any squad worth its sand will be rounded out by both infantry and MAX units. If you are a foot soldier and your complaining about not being able to take out an anti-infantry MAX all by yourself, then IMHO your not playing the game right or your stupid. My suggestion is to start going into battle with squadmates and when you run into a MAX, gank him.

If you are infantry and are attacking a MAX alone, you are playing into the MAX strengths and exposing your weaknesses!!

2 or more infantry on a MAX is hell for the MAX. Trust me, I know because Im a MAX driver. The MAX turns like a bus and it is very hard to take out infantry who can get behind you.

Just my $0.02 worth,
alph

[TheSHiFT]

I agree the MAX should need a prerequire cert(s) but not a rank. As it stand the BR1 guy spent 3 certs on something the br5 guy uses 9 to directly counter, so that means you have to be at least br10 to start specaling as in adv. hacking/medic/enginering.

The MAX isn't overpowered, it's just to easy to get as opposed to it's counters.

[Homicide]

Perhaps everyone would be happier if I had not used my skills in the language of giberish to translate this thread. :D