regular ammo vs ap ammo

[Brownfloaty]

I just started playing the beta this weekend and forgive me if this is answered somewhere else. I've been doing as much reading as I can to learn the game.

My question is about regular ammo and armor piercing ammo. The description for the regular says it is better against soft targets and the ap description says it is better against armored and vehicles. Does the ap ammo do significantly less damage against soft targets? Is there any real reason I should haul around both of them as opposed to just loading up on the ap ammo?

[ghost018]

Regular ammo is best used against all infantry. AP ammo is mainly for MAX units and Vehicles as you read. From what I've seen, AP focuses on an enemies armor before health is taken away. Regular ammo will do damage to both in the same shot. AP ammo isn't that useful to me since I carry a Striker for my MAX hunting needs.

[OneManArmy]

bah, I dont even carry AP ammo... no use for it...

[Derfud]

Simply put. AP ammo does next to nothing in damage vs. Infantry. It only works well against MAXs, and vehichles. On the other hand. Normal ammo does next to nothing against the other types of armour. So make sure you are always carrying a bit of both.

[Venoxile]

If the newest character creator is correct, reinforced in my opinion should beable to carry more stuff. I don't understand how you can be a worthy infantryman and still have the room for hacking or combat engineering or being a medic.

According to the character creator i can only take this in reinforced armor:
Gauss
3 9mm clips AI
Mag Scatter
1 Shotgun Shells box
Phoenix
No extra phoenix rockets

So, I would be effective at long range, pretty effective at short range, and 1 phoenix rocket which isn't near enough to take down anything. So I wouldn't even beable to be an effective versatile infantryman without hacking/medical/engineering. Basically all i'd beable to kill is infantry, so why not just get an ai max instead? costs less certs.

edit: I can also get 3 grenades, big deal though..

[Streamline]

Go get advanced targeting and see for yourself.

[Incompetent]

did you check and make sure it put the weapons in there holsters and not just the invo?

[Revoltrix]

I don't think many people run around with AP rounds in their gun so let's say you are cruising around with your regular ammo loaded and suddenly you open a door and BAM, a fat MAX is right in your path. BOOM BOOM you are dead. No big deal just spawn again. Point of the story is if you come upon a MAX and are close enough to shoot him with AP rounds, chances are he is gonna kill you before you load them and maybe you'll do 10 or 20 damage to a 650 armor guy. Wow AP rounds are really useless :(

[TekDragon]

How good are frag grenades against maxs? How are they againt the big tanks?

[Led]

Originally posted by Venoxile
If the newest character creator is correct, reinforced in my opinion should beable to carry more stuff. I don't understand how you can be a worthy infantryman and still have the room for hacking or combat engineering or being a medic.

According to the character creator i can only take this in reinforced armor:
Gauss
3 9mm clips AI
Mag Scatter
1 Shotgun Shells box
Phoenix
No extra phoenix rockets


That creator must be bugged...

In my loadout, I carry a med device, an armor thingy, a jackhammer, and a phoenix in holsters. In my inventory I have one thing of med thingy ammo stuff, and one for the BANK. Two boxes of phoenix rockets, three medkits, a REK, and three boxes of shotshells.

PS: MAGAZINE, not CLIP, dangit!

[�io]

AP ammo is useful if you can't/won't carry an AV weapon around. If you have an AV weapon then obviously it's of little use. But trust me if you only have a gun it's very much worth it to drag along at least just 1 crate.

[TekDragon]

PS: MAGAZINE, not CLIP, dangit!

Led do you know how powerfule Gernades are? I really want to be a thumper and shoot gernades. Do you like gernades? I love gernades. I could just say gernades all day long!

gernades, gernades, gernades, gernades, gernades, gernades :)

[Led]

*explodes*

[AztecWarrior]

:rofl:

[InuYasha]

Wow, that was pretty funny. I think I might have to join the New Comglomerate just to hang out with people as silly as Led. ;)

InuYasha
Part-time spelling Nazi

[Venoxile]

Originally posted by Led
That creator must be bugged...

In my loadout, I carry a med device, an armor thingy, a jackhammer, and a phoenix in holsters. In my inventory I have one thing of med thingy ammo stuff, and one for the BANK. Two boxes of phoenix rockets, three medkits, a REK, and three boxes of shotshells.

PS: MAGAZINE, not CLIP, dangit!

Is a jackhammer really that useful? I imagine a lot of medium-long range fights, is a jackhammer really that useful? I also hear the mini gun is much more useful than the jackhammer in close-medium range.

[Venoxile]

Also, how many phoenix missiles are in a box? And led, i prefer assault rifles over shotguns, they seem to take more skill. Is the gauss rifle going to be improved a bit more? I heard it gets owned by the cycler at almost any range.

[EODTech]

Not to sound like ass but its "Grenade" nor "Gernade"

[InuYasha]

Isn't that Led's job to correct that? Wouldn't want to put her out of work.

InuYasha
Grenades, Magazines, Comic Books, whatever :)

[Brownfloaty]

Ok, Thanks for the info on the ammo. I'm going the support route and have adv med and working towards combat eng. I carry the punisher (i think thats what its called) anyhow the assualt rifle that can shoot rockets and grenades as a secondary. That's the only weapon I carry and I've been hauling around reg ammo, ap ammo, and a few rockets along with my heal and repair gun and their ammo.

I don't have any grand illusions of taking down maxs solo, but at least now I know that it is worth carry the ap rounds.

[OneManArmy]

sweet jesus!!! please don't get Led in here. she'll rip you a new A-hole.


personally I love the jackhammer... after the charecter wipe its the first cert im going for (well technically medium assault has to be the first, but whatever)

[d0rian]

dumb concept.

since when does AP rounds do LESS dammage to soldiers but MORE dammage to an armored unit?


hmm , i cant use this 50 cal FMJ round against that soldier because it only damages tanks and jeeps and bounces off flesh.


it should have been "AP rounds can damage armored units but weigh more and thus you get less rounds than regular rounds."

the higher the damage the round the less rounds you can carry.
thats always been the case.

how many soldiers can carry a thousand 50 cal rounds vs a thousand 22 cal rounds? how much damage can a soldier do with 1000 rounds of 22 cal bullits against a tank?



it is plain logic that was thrown away with something that makes no sense.

[Pyro212]

I imagine standard rounds are much like hollow point rounds.

They do more damage to a human body but they can not peirce armor.

They expand on impact creating a bigger hole, AP rounds do not do this but they can punch through body armor.

So it makes sense the way it is.

[mistled]

Originally posted by Venoxile
Also, how many phoenix missiles are in a box? And led, i prefer assault rifles over shotguns, they seem to take more skill. Is the gauss rifle going to be improved a bit more? I heard it gets owned by the cycler at almost any range. I think it's 3 missiles in a box, and I haven't heard about the guase rifle being improved. Though I have seen a lot of people whine about the cycler, so who knows.

[Dqua]

This isn't a simulation, its a game where balance is obtained through strength's and weakness'. Ie, you can take down a MAX a whole lot easier with AV or Special assault weapons, but can also stand a chance with AP rounds but are at a worse off chance. Added, it would take around 13 bolt driver shots to take down a max. Whereas, missles aren't as useful against infantry, ie. it takes like 6 Phoenix rockets to kill a reinforced infantry, where as it takes 2 bolts, or 3-4 jackhammer shots, or 10 or so shots from a rifle.

Get it through your heads this isn't a simulation.

And, solid lead bullets and full metal jacketed bullets have different performance qualities and useful for different circumstances.

I agree... its a MAGAZINE NOT A CLIP FFS.

[Led]

Nice blanket statement there :p

The skill of using a shotgun is not only twitch skills, but in getting yourself within proper range without getting your face shot off. Lot more interesting, I like it.

Live for the hunt! :rawr:

[Robot]

KERPOW

i shot two guys in reinforced armor to death with a suppressor, it was hilarious

and i like chasing after galaxies and lobbing grenades at them

[d0rian]

who said this was a simulation.

that doens mean that it has to be stupid to be sci fi.


if hollow point rounds are so awsome at killing people.
why the hell do they use full copper metal jacket round in the military. because they can cut though you very effectivly.
why the hell would i want a bullit that stops with the first guy when it can continue on to the next guy behind him.

that has nothing to do with simulation....and i gave an example of balance, ammo quantities based on power.

it is at least a little more believable than dumping magazine after magazine of high velocity AP rounds into an apponent and they never even get the slightest bit hurt.

that just stupid. they might as well have friggin chicken cannons that shoot acid filled eggs or somethign.

We could call it the DoDominator or the frigginchiggin autocannon.
and we can all go around dancing and singing "this aint a simulation ,it's balanced game play" while shooting eggs at each other.

[EODTech]

The reason we use full metal jacket ammunition is that its a law under the Geneva convention. We dont use em on them and they dont use em on us. Anyone here who deer hunts can attest to the damage a hollow point round will do vers. a FMJ

[LeonStrike]

Hmmmm..... I've noticed a trend, how come whenever d0rian posts, its always an insult to someone or the game? No offense d0rain, but thats how it seems to me. I'm not trying to flame you. As for the subject, AP rounds take out only armor first, then health. This is why it is usless against infantry. But, it takes out vehicles fast because they only have armor. Also, AP rounds do more dmg to armor then regular rounds.

it is at least a little more believable than dumping magazine after magazine of high velocity AP rounds into an apponent and they never even get the slightest bit hurt.
that just stupid. they might as well have friggin chicken cannons that shoot acid filled eggs or somethign.
We could call it the DoDominator or the frigginchiggin autocannon.
and we can all go around dancing and singing "this aint a simulation ,it's balanced game play" while shooting eggs at each other.


AP rounds hurt infantry, but as I said earlier, it takes out there armor fist, and doesn't do a whole lot against regular health. And if you want a simulation, go and buy any of the Tom Clancy games, they should satisfy you.

[Dqua]

that doens mean that it has to be stupid to be sci fi.

What would you prefer it to be then? Its a game with its own unique rules and specifications. You don't play Sorry expecting to buy housing and hotels like Monopoly.

You seemed to have ignored most of my post like the ignorant person you make yourself out to be. So I'll dumb it down to make it easier to comprehend for you:

Regular ammo= GUD for PEEPS with NO ARMORZ.
AP ammo= GUD for DA WHEELS, DA MAXZ, and DA PLANES.

[EODTech]

Now that I think about it I want a chicken cannon, and acid filled eggs. And after the chicken hits it turns onto fried chicken and you can stop and eat it and it heals you.
No youre right........thats fricken stupid.
But yeah you're right Leonstrike lots of negativity.

[Matuse]

D0rian, in addition to being a whiney dumbass, you are putting yourself in extreme tunnelvision...

Since this is (at minimum) several hundred years in the future, has it occured to you that maybe they are using something different for ammunition than a solid hunk of metal?

AP ammunition carries a small amount of liquid catalyst which is specifically designed to break down armor, but in order to achieve maximum spread of the catalyst over the maximum of armor surface, the human on the inside suffers little-to-no penetration damage, and only suffers from the pure kinetic impact (which isn't much). So it damages armor, without hurting the person inside very much.

If you are going to harp on lack of realism, then as soon as anyone gets shot, they should be out of the fight...clearly that wouldn't be a lot of fun, so THAT ISN'T HOW IT IS. Wake up and smell the game.

[Kalibah]

I know how it is. But heres how it should be

AP armor takes up 6 squaares in ur inventory for 50 bullets ( instead of 4 like regular does, and both do now)

now AP doesnt do extram dmg against people, but it doesnt do LESS than regular.

Reason i say this is- wtf im in agile ARMOR or reinforced ARMOR

why doesnt ARMOR peircing help kill me in my ARMOR?!?!

or it should do

3/4ths armor removale- 1/4th health damage, or like 2/3d armor removable or whatever

i dunno HOW Much dasmage it should do- but it should be focused on removing the armor

thatd be sweet :P

[d0rian]

hmmm i dont think today's highschool teachs children to understand other arguments.

let me clear my thoat and speak more clearly in a virtual internet sort of way....eh hem..

ARMOR PIERCING ROUNDS SHOULD STILL EAT THROUGH SKIN.


Matuse makes the best argument against mine. That is a guy with imagination.

It is the future. AP rounds are not the same. these are special liquid nano tech rounds that splatter on armor and eat it up but do jack shit against skin other then leave an annoying welt like a paint ball does.



NOW THIS MAKES TOTAL SINCE to me and should be added to the planetside sci fi literature so that idiots like me who watched too much sci fi like star trek next gen can understand why these AP rounds do jack against GI space JOE.


and if you cant take insulting text then well i dont know go beat your self with a frigginchiggin autocannon or something because i really could care less.

[Stregone]

If ap ammo was better in every way, no one would use the regular ammo. Even if ap ammo boxes help a fraction of the ammo as the normal ammo boxes. So in the end, everyone would just kill each other faster. Its fine the way it is :p

[d0rian]

but it would not be better.

the ap ammo crate needs to contain fewer rounds.

but problem is solved.

Matuse pulled a star trek rip in the space time continum and explained to me the logical reason why these future AP rounds do no dammage to flesh.

[InuYasha]

Who said they do NO damage? Isn't it that they do damage to the armor first, instead of to the armor AND the health of a soldier?

InuYasha
I think that was the way it was explained.. but I can't be certain :)