The Matrix Reloaded (Full Disclosure, read if you seen it)

[MrVicchio]

I AM GONNA BE FRANK, AND DISCUSS THE FLICK, QUIT READING IF YOU AIN'T SEEN IT OR DONT WANT TO KNOW TILL YOU DO SEE. CONSIDER THYSELF WARNED!



Okay, first off, too jumpy maybe... the first 1/2 of the movie seemed to leap around too damned much. Also, too much deep thought.... kinda out there really.

The rave scene... bleah boring. Didn't move me. I am glad really they didn't show Moss fully nude, or a good topless shot, that was uneeded.

Neo kicks ass, the multi-smith fight vs neo was tight, but A: There were portions that they actors looked like... stretch-o-men. B: why didn't Neo just take off to begin with?

The Oracle, another tool and poor Morpheus and Neo led around by the nose.... hahaha.

The twins were cool, Cant belive someone si complaining that they are stereotyping albinos... there is always one big complaint isn't there?

"Like wiping your ass with silk." Best line of the flick.

Neo Rocked, did I mention that?

Thats about it for now, I got a BAD BAD BAD headache.

[mistled]

Like Vic said, stop reading this now if you don't want some huge movie ruining spoilers. :)

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Just got back, great flick. They talked a whole hell of a lot. But there were enough fight scenes to make up for it in my mind. Besides, I'm actually interested in all that mess they were talking about, so it's ok.

Having the council was stupid. It felt like when Star Wars did it. Like they were trying to expand the first movie into areas that it didn't need to go. The whole global scope thing that these sequels are trying to do gets away from the point of why we all loved the first ones. But those parts are short, so who cares. :)

Two questions, that I think are both related, and an idea about them. :)
1) At the beginning, when the agent (was that Smith??) takes over the guys body, and then uses the phone to get out of the matrix... how is he still in charge of the guy's mind?? They left the matrix, right??

2) At the end, how the hell did Neo stop those sentenals?? He suddenly 'felt' them and then could stop them?? And why would that send him into a coma?? (If you haven't seen the movie, then don't bitch, I warned you that there were spoilers. ;))

... my answer.... this is all I can come up with without seeing it again to catch what I missed.... they are still in the matrix, even in Zion. It's like they were in the program, which they left, but are still in the shell program or something. So they've never really been free. Classic dream in a dream ending. Thoughts??

[Hamma]

People think too much about movies.

[Navaron]

In both the "real" and matrix world, no one uses contractions. Computers can't use contractions either...

Trinity is pregnant? Mebbe...

Fights were cool, but it contained some of the worst acting - EVER.

They could have taken out the entire zion scene from morpheous's speach to neo drilling trinity and the movie would have been better for it.

What was the point of the hot wife of the information guy?

Why didn't they explain why neo's hand bled?

Why didn't neo just pwn the architect when he had the chance?

Am I the only one who thought Keanu Reeves has regressed to bill and ted quality acting again?

I really enjoyed the movie though.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

I liked the movie. It wasn't as good as the first, and it won't be as good as the last. It is more of a filler. It probably would seem a lot better with the last one. The short trailer after the credits definitely makes me look forward for the next.

Originally posted by {BOHICA}Navaron
In both the "real" and matrix world, no one uses contractions. Computers can't use contractions either...
I never noticed, and I really don't know why they used this, but I definitely think the real world is still part of the Matrix.

They could have taken out the entire zion scene from morpheous's speach to neo drilling trinity and the movie would have been better for it.
I think the speech itself was somewhat important, since it connects Morpheus to their church at a fairly high level. The rave/sex stuff was unecessary

What was the point of the hot wife of the information guy?
No clue with the wife, but Link was either family or close to Dozer, so there is that connection.

Why didn't they explain why neo's hand bled?
Part 3

Why didn't neo just pwn the architect when he had the chance?
And wait for Trinity to die?

Am I the only one who thought Keanu Reeves has regressed to bill and ted quality acting again?
A bit.

A lot of characters were in this movie. A ton. I bet that they will be connected a lot more in the third one.

All in all, action scenes were the best part of the movie, the story was told in a very bland manner, but it was fairly complex. I think by November, this movie will look a lot better.

[Navaron]

Not the black chick, but the wife of the guy who was holding the keymaker prison. Hot lady who kissed Neo- that may be the most pointless character in any movie ever.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Pretty sure she will be in the third one.

[Vis Armata]

Monica Belluci in a push-up dress is pointless? Cmon.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Also, one of the neatest things about the movie was definitely the previews. The previews kicked ass. :brow:

[Daleon]

Yea, I hope everyone sat through the hour of credits for the preview of the third. It kicked butt. It obviously comes down to a real showdown between Mr. Anderson and Smith, both in the Matrix and the 'real' world.

I think the annoying kid that found Neo and got out of the matrix will be in the third and an important part.

The whole thing about this being the 6th time they have gone through this cycle with The One and Zion being wiped out and rebuilt is cool.

I can't believe you guys haven't mentioned the MOST important part about this movie. It has TR MAX's!!!!! Those little mech Dual Cycler dudes look sweet, and will be doing some butt kicking in the next movie.

Also check some of the info about the Matrix Online, its set after the 3rd movie and obviously gives some of the story away.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Yeah, in the third preview there was a scene with those things fighting... so I am wondering where the hell did they come from in the third as the "real world" if Zion was destroyed.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Daleon
I can't believe you guys haven't mentioned the MOST important part about this movie. It has TR MAX's!!!!! Those little mech Dual Cycler dudes look sweet, and will be doing some butt kicking in the next movie. :lol:

[LesserShade]

... my answer.... this is all I can come up with without seeing it again to catch what I missed.... they are still in the matrix, even in Zion. It's like they were in the program, which they left, but are still in the shell program or something. So they've never really been free. Classic dream in a dream ending. Thoughts??
That is definitely the first thing that came to mind. Going to have to watch it again to see if there are any other clues.

Fights were cool, but it contained some of the worst acting - EVER.
I dunno.. Keanu was Keanu. IMO I think his acting was better than the first matrix, but I think that the subject matter in the 2nd movie was probably easier to deal with than in the first. Like in reloaded he already knows where he is, neo is comfortable being an ass kicker... the only time he shows any real emotion is when he gets worried about trinity. In the first matrix he had to deal with the whole "wtf is the matrix, ono! i don't believe it", and that forced Keanu into trying to show us all kinds of emotions.

I wasn't too crazy about the Link though, I thought that Dozer was a better actor and Link's comic relief was kinda lame.

Overall though, I thought this movie was in a few ways better than the first. More mind blowing action, and they still manage to throw in a lot of things to make you think. The first movie is probably still my favorite though because the story was new and caught me off guard.

[John Matrix]

Ok anyone else here think the first Matrix was better than reloaded? There is no doubt that the action scenes were better but the plot seemed a little below grade compared to the first one.

It almost seemed a little bit like there just trying to make money off of teens with all the advertisements, the game,animes, and the cliffhanger ending with the "sneak preview" revolutions trailer. But by all means it was a good movie.Hopefully the plot was a little underpar just because it was a sequel and that the third one will bring justice to the first one.

[OneManArmy]

holy crap you guys over-analyze. Look most of the first movie was finally explained in this one, no doubt most of this movie will be explained in the third one.

and the rave scene? trust me I'm sure there were plenty of little geeks out there that were happy to see some boobies. I'm a bit confused as to why you thought the council and everything could of been left out. without it we would not of seen any connection to the real world. thoses scenes explained the back story, so to speak, like sure everyone is kicking ass inside the matrix but what is life like outside the matrix.

I thought this movie was great, the story really drew me in. from the sounds of it all you guys want to see is a bruce lee movie made entirly of fight scenes while someone reads a philosphy book.

jesus, lighten up and be entertained....

[Araxis]

In my opinion, Reloaded was as good as the first one. However, if someone were to say that it was better, I would disagree. If anything, it was better or worse than the first.

I'd have said it was better if it were not for ONE thing: dancing/sex scene. TOTALLY pointless. I understand this was their attempt at showing the close relationship between Neo and Trinity, but honestly, they shouldn't have done it. While I sat there at 11:15 on Wednesday, all I wondered was "what the hell am I doing here, this movie sucks" while that scene played.

However, it would make sense to me that they don't want anything very ... mushy, I guess is a good word, because they want it to be all sci-fi-non-girly-ish.

Navaron:
A) I also considered Trinity being pregnant.
B) Point of hot wife was because the French guy wasn't going to let them have the Keymaker; someone had to do it. No one else could have done that; and if you just had the French guy say yes, then there goes your WHOLE highway chase (one of the best parts of the movie).
C) Neo's hand wasn't the one bleeding; it was the guy at the very end who was the lone survivor. He had cut his hand twice with his knife right before he attempted to kill Neo. Why? No one honestly knows what's up with that guy, but I have a hunch he's sent by all the Xion leaders to kill Neo. That way Morpheus doesn't stop disobeying orders/leading other captains to leave Xion's defense just to help Morpheus.

Mistled:
A) Yes, the agent was Smith, although he's no longer an agent (which is why he sent Neo his little ear-piece). I don't quite understand him picking up the phone...but as I understand it, when Neo dove into Smith the first time, he ruined the Agent code inside of Smith, making Smith no longer an Agent. Then, Smith gets pissed because he has no purpose anymore (remember, Smith WAS an Agent program; without being an Agent, he's just nothing but a bugged program), and goes around trying to get back at Neo (because Neo was the one who made him have no purpose). He tries to "take over" Neo because that would make Neo neutral too (Neo's a program kinda, but his code is messed up, because of the Creator's anamoly (spelling) ).
B) I also don't know the answer to this... and I have no answer for this. Obviously, he used EMP-- where he got it from is anyone's guess.


Sorry bout the long post; figured it was time for one, and wanted to share my opinion anyway :p. Plus, I'm a big Matrix fan-- in fact, I've gotta leave to go see Reloaded again. I'll try to pick up on things I missed before.

[John Matrix]

Something i was a little unsure about(someone brought a crying baby to the theatre) the twins,who were awsome,the french girl,his wife, their posse, and the keymaker, were all renegade programs that the matrix tried to delete, right?

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Originally posted by Araxis
C) Neo's hand wasn't the one bleeding; it was the guy at the very end who was the lone survivor. He had cut his hand twice with his knife right before he attempted to kill Neo. Why? No one honestly knows what's up with that guy, but I have a hunch he's sent by all the Xion leaders to kill Neo. That way Morpheus doesn't stop disobeying orders/leading other captains to leave Xion's defense just to help Morpheus.

Mistled:
A) Yes, the agent was Smith, although he's no longer an agent (which is why he sent Neo his little ear-piece). I don't quite understand him picking up the phone...but as I understand it, when Neo dove into Smith the first time, he ruined the Agent code inside of Smith, making Smith no longer an Agent. Then, Smith gets pissed because he has no purpose anymore (remember, Smith WAS an Agent program; without being an Agent, he's just nothing but a bugged program), and goes around trying to get back at Neo (because Neo was the one who made him have no purpose). He tries to "take over" Neo because that would make Neo neutral too (Neo's a program kinda, but his code is messed up, because of the Creator's anamoly (spelling) ).
B) I also don't know the answer to this... and I have no answer for this. Obviously, he used EMP-- where he got it from is anyone's guess.
C.) You are talking about two seperate things. Neo bled in the battle scene when getting the Keymaker. Why should he bleed when he knows it isn't real? The quote was also used "See? He's just human". As for the guy who was going to kill Neo, Mr. Smith "hacked" the guy by doing the whole sticking his fist in and making him multiply. In the Matrix he looks like Mr. Smith, but he still looks the same on the outside in the "real world". It also ties into the thought that the people from the "real world" are just programs within themselves.

A.) First, like I said Smith found a way to hack people and take control, so he can come back through the phone in their bodies. Secondly, Mr. Smith is holding a grudge because he sees a future where Neo tries to kill him, much like Neo can now see the future.
B.) It again leads to the thought that the real world isn't as real as it seems, since he was able to use his powers to stop the Sentinels.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Originally posted by John Matrix
Something i was a little unsure about(someone brought a crying baby to the theatre) the twins,who were awsome,the french girl,his wife, their posse, and the keymaker, were all renegade programs that the matrix tried to delete, right?

Yes. And it also connected the fact that renegade programs often became folk/myth like ghosts (the twins).

[�io]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
... my answer.... this is all I can come up with without seeing it again to catch what I missed.... they are still in the matrix, even in Zion. It's like they were in the program, which they left, but are still in the shell program or something. So they've never really been free. Classic dream in a dream ending. Thoughts??

Yeah but then what would be the point of the sentinels trying to attack Zion? If they are still in the matrix they are still under the machines control, just to a lesser extent, i see no reason why the machines would have to attack people who aren't freed from their grasp. Besides dream in dream stories suck. :)

Actually my theory is just as Smith now as new abilities because Neo "hacked" him Neo now has new abilties because he visited the source code. By visiting the source he was embued with more power, the power to, as he should have, chose 15 people and start the matrix cycle over but since he didn't start it all over the matrix and Neo's powers still exist. It all comes down to this, by visiting the source he was in contact with all the programs, when he left the matrix he still had in him that contact with all the programs, including the sentinels, hence why he could sense and stop them. He's somewhat become the source himself. Well that's my theory at least.

As for Neo bleeding my theory is simply that despite his abilties he's still not a god(despite what his followers think :p). He bleeds for the same reason that he gets hurt when Smith hits him or tried to hack him, he's amazing but not immortal, physical contact will still hurt him, if he would ever get shot i assume he would bleed, the bullet wouldn't just disapear.

One thing i didn't get is Neo said he can't read the matrix because they encrypted it with a new system(elevator scene before meeting Persephone and her husband) yet he can still do all his things and at the end he was able to read it anew to save Trin. So did he just decrypt it after the elevator scene? Or was the only encrypted part that building?

Also how did Smith enter the secret doors? Did he manage to hack that chinese guy or what?

[�io]

For your reading pleasure(thanks to Idaho on rottentomatoes.com:D) :

*Neo walks towards the Oracle. She is sitting on a bench in a park, feeding birds*

The Oracle - Well, come on. I ain�t gonna bite you. Come around here, and let me have a look at you. My goodness, look at you! You turned out alright, didn�t you? How do you feel?

Neo - I, uhh...

The Oracle - I know you�re not sleeping. We�ll get to that. Why don�t you come and have a sit this time?

Neo - Maybe I�ll stand.

The Oracle - Well, suit your self.

*Neo hesitates at first, but then sits down on the bench*

Neo - I felt like sitting.

The Oracle - I know. So, let�s get the obvious stuff out of the way.

Neo - You�re not human, are you?

The Oracle - Well it�s tough to get any more obvious than that.

Neo - If I had to guess, I�d say you�re a program from the machine world.

*Neo looks over to Seraph*

Neo - So is he.

The Oracle - So far, so good.

Neo - But if that�s true, that can mean you are a part of this system, another kind of control.

The Oracle - Keep going.

Neo - I suppose the most obvious question is: how can I trust you?

The Oracle - Bingo! It is a pickle, no doubt about it. The bad news is that there�s no way you can really know if I�m here to help you or not. So, it�s really up to you. You just have to make up your own damn mind to either accept what I�m going to tell you, or reject it.

*The Oracle reaches into her bag and pulls out a red candy*

The Oracle - Candy?

Neo - You already know if I�m going to take it.

The Oracle - I wouldn�t be much of an oracle if I didn�t.

Neo - But if you already know, how can I make a choice?

The Oracle -Because you didn�t come here to make a choice, you�ve already made it. You�re here to try to understand why you made it.

*Neo takes the candy*

The Oracle - I thought you would have figured that out by now.

Neo - Why are you here?

The Oracle - Same reason. I love candy. *the Oracle eats one of the red candies*

Neo - But why help us?

The Oracle -We�re all here to do what we�re all here to do. I�m interested in one thing, Neo: the future. And believe me, I know, the only way to get there is together.

Neo - Are there other programs like you?

The Oracle - Oh, well, not like me. But... look, see those birds? At some point a program was written to govern them. A program was written to watch over the trees, and the wind, the sunrise, and sunset. There are programs running all over the place. The ones doing there job, doing what they were meant to do, are invisible. You�d never even know they were here. But the other ones, well, we hear about them all the time.

Neo - I�ve never heard of them.

The Oracle - Oh, of course you have. Every time you�ve heard someone say they saw a ghost, or an angel. Every story you�ve ever heard about vampires, werewolves, or aliens, is the system assimilating some program that�s doing something they�re not supposed to be doing.

Neo - Programs hacking programs? Why?

The Oracle - They have there reasons, but usually a program choose exile when it faces deletion.

Neo - Why would a program be deleted?

The Oracle - Maybe it breaks down. Maybe a better program is created to replace it. It happens all the time, and when it does, a program can either choose to hide here, or return to the source.

Neo - The machine mainframe?

The Oracle - Yes, where you must go, where the path of the one ends. You�ve seen it, in your dreams. Haven�t you? The door made of light?

*Neo nods*

The Oracle - What happens when you go through the door?

Neo - I see Trinity, and something happens, something bad. She starts to fall, and then I wake up.

The Oracle - Do you see her die?

Neo - No.

The Oracle - You have the sight now, Neo. You are looking at the world without time.

Neo - Then why can�t I see what happens to her?

The Oracle - We can never see past the choices we don�t understand.

Neo - Are you saying I have to choose whether Trinity lives or dies?

The Oracle - No. You�ve already made the choice, now you have to understand it.

*Neo shakes his head*

Neo - No, I can�t do that. I won�t.

The Oracle - You have to.

Neo - Why?

The Oracle - Because you�re the one.

Neo - What if I can�t? What happens if I fail?

The Oracle - Then Zion will fall.

*Seraph places his hand on The Oracles shoulder. The Oracle and Seraph nod to each other.*

The Oracle - Our time is up. Listen to me Neo, you can save Zion if you reach the source, but to do that you will need the Keymaker.

Neo - The Keymaker?

The Oracle - Yes, he disappeared sometime ago. We did not know what happened to him until now. He�s being held prisoner by a very dangerous program, one of the oldest of us. He is called the Merovingian, and he will not let him go willingly.

Neo - What does he want?

The Oracle - What do all men with power want? More power.

*The Oracle hands Neo a piece of paper*

The Oracle - Be there, at that exact time, and you will have a chance.

Seraph - We must go.

The Oracle - It seems like every time we meet, I�ve got nothing but bad news. I�m sorry about that, I surely am. But for what it�s worth, you�ve made a believer out of me.

*The Oracle pats Neo�s arm*

The Oracle - Good luck kiddo.

*Seraph takes the Oracle away*

[�io]

Dialogue between Neo and the Architect
The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I�ve been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven�t answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: �Others? What others? How many? Answer me!�*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: �Five versions? Three? I�ve been lied too. This is bull****.*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly�s systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: �You can�t control me! **** you! I�m going to kill you! You can�t make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

*The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room*

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: �Bull****!�*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won�t let it happen, you can�t. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you�re going to do, don�t we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don�t meet again.

The Architect - We won�t.

[MrVicchio]

Don't you guys GET IT? The Oracle didn't give Neo Candy, (or a cookie the first time) she gave him a PROGRAM to MAKE him do her bidding. Note the French Man and the pie. DUH.

[OmnipotentKiwi]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Don't you guys GET IT? The Oracle didn't give Neo Candy, (or a cookie the first time) she gave him a PROGRAM to MAKE him do her bidding. Note the French Man and the pie. DUH.

OOoh, good twist. Maybe it is how he got his powers in the real world.

[Vis Armata]

I didn't actually see Neo eat the candy though, so...

[Navaron]

Holy shitballs Vic, I never thought of that, makes the pie mean a hell of alot more.

[OdlyEnuf]

The "real" world is not going to be another Matrix, in my mind.

Smith gained some sort of power in the first movie, when Neo entered his body and attempted to destroy him. It is possible Neo experienced some sort of change aswell, i.e. him being able to stop the sentinels at the end of the movie.

But, what i really found interesting was. The 6 previous times Zion had fallen, an "anomally" "The One" had entered the architects room, and chose the other door in order to save the human race.

Neo, chose the other door. Why? His love for Trinity, and his faith in the people of Zion. NOW that is the part where the Oracle plays a gigantic part. The Oracle tells Trinity that she will fall in love with The One, Neo. Has she been manipulating Neo and Trinity to produce a One who was too emotionally attached to a single individual to cooperate in the destruction of Zion?

Over analyzed maybe, but its a fucking action movie that you have to think about I LOVE IT.

[�io]

Originally posted by OdlyEnuf
The "real" world is not going to be another Matrix, in my mind.

Smith gained some sort of power in the first movie, when Neo entered his body and attempted to destroy him. It is possible Neo experienced some sort of change aswell, i.e. him being able to stop the sentinels at the end of the movie.

Well like i said previously they way i see it is that by visiting the source Neo was in contact with all the programs, when he left the matrix he still had in him that contact with all the programs, including the sentinels, hence why he could sense and stop them. He's somewhat become the source himself. Makes more sense than the matrix in matrix thing anyway. :)

Neo, chose the other door. Why? His love for Trinity, and his faith in the people of Zion. NOW that is the part where the Oracle plays a gigantic part. The Oracle tells Trinity that she will fall in love with The One, Neo. Has she been manipulating Neo and Trinity to produce a One who was too emotionally attached to a single individual to cooperate in the destruction of Zion?

Very good point to disprove the whole oracle = evil thing. :)

[Robot]

The entire movie played like a video game

Go to this place, meet this person, get attacked, fight off tough people, go to this place, meet this person...

I think the main reason why people didn't like it as much as the matrix is because Neo is essentially, "god." We all know this. We all know he will never be killed. Unlike in the original Matrix, where he was getting beaten around like a sack full of olive loaf

[Derv]

The pie that the French dude had the woman eat made her have an orgasm, right?

And btw, I don't understand why you guys are saying that the French dude's wife was pointless... She was the reason that Neo was able to get the keymaker, due to the French dude having affairs with other women making his wife pissed off. Therefore, instead of having to give the French dude more power, which they could not have done, they got in by using his weakness, which was his faithlessness.

The sex scene with Neo and Trinity.... umm yea... I would have rather seen some of Trinity's ass than Neo's, wtf! Man ass = no.

And finally, did anyone else find it difficult to understand a lot of what the Architect was saying? I could get the jist of it, but damn I had to really listen and use my brain during that scene, which made me angry :mad:

[Robot]

Originally posted by Derv
The sex scene with Neo and Trinity.... umm yea... I would have rather seen some of Trinity's ass than Neo's, wtf! Man ass = no.

The black holes dotting their hands and legs kinda ruined it for me, personally

When Neo was just waking up after the opening, I thought Carrie-Ann Moss had grown some sort of monster mole in the time between the first and second movie, then I was like, "Oh, it's one of those socket things"

[Dharkbayne]

Originally posted by Derv
Man ass = no.



LOL, that made me crack up for some reason, lol :)

[Trol]

The reason for the Sex/Rave scene was obvious. Neo and Trinity never had time alone together. That was emphasised through-out the entire movie. The Rave was there to show the since of companionship and untiy the people of Zion felt for each other. It was a celebration of the entire city. Also you'll notice that its the only time that Trinity and Neo have alone, when the entire city was preocuppied. Which lead to the sex scene which could also imply that Trinity gets pregnant??

[ReneG8]

She sure is IMO !

I think the rave scene was to show some great difference between the Machines and mankind. These whole scenes were so animalic and wild, that it can be seen as a antithesis to the cold logic of th machines! That makes the scene very useful!

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Don't you guys GET IT? The Oracle didn't give Neo Candy, (or a cookie the first time) she gave him a PROGRAM to MAKE him do her bidding. Note the French Man and the pie. DUH.

Sorry vic, but Neo can see the code. Neo could have seen if the candy was a program to make him do something. (the same way that neo was able to see the code in the piece of cake)

In addition, the guy who sits on the ship monitors the code so he too would know if there was a special program in the cookie/candy.

[Khronos]

Just wondering, does anyone know of a website or somthing with pictures of the "backdoors" and more pics of the source and stuff?

I need some reference pics for a project im working on...
thanks if you can help.

[edit: the "project" im workin on, is a Matrix CS Map. The main part of the map will be the hallway of backdoors. The objective will be the Terrorists trying to bomb the source and the counter- terrorists protecting it. Each "backdoor" will lead (like in the movie) to a different :map:.. These will be "pieces" of commonly played maps ::slightly changed::
An example would be one door leading to the hallway very similar to the one in de_dust...im hoping i can get it done as i think it would be fun to play. 2 big problems come up..1) design - must be effective and fun...2) getting it to look how i want it ;). ]

Concept i just cooked up for it: [i know the textures and positioning and stuff arent right, i just did it so i could get my idea base straight ]
http://www.angelfire.com/vamp/ukrmy/testing.jpg

[Sando138]

Theory: 24956
Neo and Trinity are set up by the Oracle so that Neo choses the door on the left.

Theory: 24957
The Architect didn't think that Neo could save Trinity, much less act as a human difibrulator, so maybe something he can't prevent is happening.

Theory: 24958
A climactic battle between Seraph and Neo will be in the third movie.

Theory: whogivesashit
Smith posessed the guy who is unconcious next to neo. they will likely battle in the real world soon.

[Crono]

Honestly, I've seen it and I still don't have an opinion. Half of the people who have seen it that I know have said it sucked, and the other half liked it. Egh... By the way, isn't it rated 'R' in the States?
It's rated '14AA' here.

[Sputty]

I didn't like it really.

[�io]

Most people who said it sucked think so because they expected another movie as good as the Matrix. That was a sure fire way of being disapointed, of course it's not as good as the matrix, first of all the original is nearly always better than the sequels, second the thing MANY people forget about Reloaded is that it's in the same situation has Two Towers, it's an in between movie, it starts and ends in the middle of a story so naturally it can't be a huge hit.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Sputty
I didn't like it really. :banplz:

[Zatrais]

Bout what smith did to the guy who used the phone, as i see it smith is obsessed whit killing neo now, so he took over another guys mind when he copied himself and gave him the same obsessions and toughts like himself, kill neo.

but the big question for me, is how did neo sense and stop the sentinels unless they're still in some matrix?

Anyways, i loved the movie..... kick ass effect and some nice philosofical discussions.

[Ripzaw]

Originally posted by {BOHICA}mistled
Like Vic said, stop reading this now if you don't want some huge movie ruining spoilers. :)

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1) At the beginning, when the agent (was that Smith??) takes over the guys body, and then uses the phone to get out of the matrix... how is he still in charge of the guy's mind?? They left the matrix, right??

2) At the end, how the hell did Neo stop those sentenals?? He suddenly 'felt' them and then could stop them?? And why would that send him into a coma?? (If you haven't seen the movie, then don't bitch, I warned you that there were spoilers. ;))


We been talking about this in the forums I use aswell(Not planetside... Multi-gaming clan forums). Answer for number 1 that we came up with is.....

In the first film if you remember Morpheus says that whatever happens to the body inside The Matrix the Mind makes it real. So when Agent Smith took control of the rebel then The mind made it real making Smiths mind inside of his mind. Get what I mean?

Answer for number 2 is.....
Neo is a computer program or so the creator said. We reckon that the other 5 Matrix' are still alive and some of us reckon that there is a matrix in a matrix in a matrix Meaning what Neo and crew think is the real world is actual Matrix number 5. Break free from number 5 and your in number 4 etc etc. So Neo also has power in the "real world" but he is just discorvering it.

They were our thoughts

[Hamma]

That makes my brain hurt.

[Ripzaw]

Hehe

[�io]

Argh shut up about the matrix in matrix crap or they might end up listening to you people!!

That is just the easiest (and lamest) explanation to Neo stopping the sentinels. I prefer my theory (or any other for that matter) over the matrix in matrix idea. (And i pray they don't go that way or the 3rd movie will suck big time for me)

[Dharkbayne]

What if Jesus is one of the sentinels and agent smith is Trinity, and morpheus is really white? And there is no matrix, its just a video game on a REALLY BIG screen? Inside of a bubble, in the core of the earth, which is really the left testicle of a whale, that can fly??? C'mon people, stop trying to figure out what it is, you wont know till november!

[�io]

Originally posted by Dharkbayne
What if Jesus is one of the sentinels and agent smith is Trinity, and morpheus is really white? And there is no matrix, its just a video game on a REALLY BIG screen? Inside of a bubble, in the core of the earth, which is really the left testicle of a whale, that can fly??? C'mon people, stop trying to figure out what it is, you wont know till november!

http://bohica.planetside-universe.com/images/forumImages/black%20dot.jpg

[Khronos]

yah the matrix in the matrix thing sure is plausible..but way too easy of an answer. i really hope that it turns out another way.


My friends brother's got his mind set that umm theres a matrix in a matrix, trinity's an agent, and theres someone more powerful than neo in the other matrix. other things too i just dont remember them...:huh:

However Dio, your explanation sounds good to me and i think its a great explanation.

[�io]

Thanks, oh and tell your brother he's an idiot. :p

Nah just kidding but i really hate/am tired of the matrix in matrix theory as well as the Trinity is an agent one.

[ZionsFire]

It was.........OK;)