Planetside Retail

[Duilin]

Have they added anything to PS since mid-beta that makes it more worthwhile? I loved playing it for awhile, but it soon got dull... the only thing to do really was cap bases or zerg... the latter is not much fun, the former got old real fast

[TekDragon]

Were you there when they did the latice system?

[Duilin]

Is that the connection between bases? I think I was around for 1-2 weeks while it was being tested.

[Hamma]

That was the biggest and best change :p

[Duilin]

What did it really do? Doesnt seem like it really added more content or ways to fight...

[TekDragon]

Dood. This is a FPS. Your not going to get much in the way of content. No NPCs. No quests. No AI. No economy. No GM run events. None of that.

The most you can hope for is a new cookie cutter gun or vehicle every few months.

None of what i said is a put down on PS, its just how FPS games work. My only beef with this is why in the bloody hell they are charging 13$ when the developers have 1/50th the workload of a MMORPG and a fraction of the server space.

Can you say "SOE likes raping me up my virgin ass?" Good, i thought you could :)

[Duilin]

You hit the nail on the head when you brought up montly payments. That is why there NEEDS to be content... When you buy a FPS game such as halflife or RTCW its one payment... and if for two months you like it a lot, you get your money's worth... but for something so expensive I just dont understand how it can be marketted with equal or less content then other online FPS games such as CS.

[Seer]

From what I've heard in some of the beta chats with SJ, PS requires better hardware and more bandwidth than a run of the mill mmorpg. That could account for some of the cost.

Lattice didn't technically add content, but what it did was make fighting other people a necessary and frequent occurence. That's a good change in my book.

[Hamma]

Welcome to the world of MMO's

Guess what? It costs some serious cash to keep all these servers running, and some serious cash to keep a dev team on board (the same team as release right now)

This is an FPS people, if you want content, or if you want to battle 30hours to gain some magical sword, go play something else.

Either that or define "content" in an FPS, please. I want to hear what "content" you look for.

[Duilin]

I dont think you get my point - It isnt that I dont understand why you need to pay or that I want some PvE content added, but I find it hard to go and pay for a game that has less to do then most half life mods, which can be gotten for free. I wasnt in any way trying to flame the game, just curious if anything has been or is being added content wise, or if the game still revolves around base hopping and zerging.

[Hamma]

It isnt a standard FPS, you are on a HUGE continent.. with thousands of people, in a persistant ever changing world. IS that not enough for people? :lol:

If it isnt, go contineu playing the same half life maps over, and over, and over, and over.

I'm just getting sick and tired of the "content" argument.

[Duilin]

Halflife, for example, has league play, which gives countless options for a clan to do... The continent might be huge, but my question still hasnt been answered... are they done with content or do they have any ideas for the future that gives the game some refreshment?

[SC385]

there will be new content soon. They are makeing a bomber, vechicle transport, and some other vechile if i'm not mistaken.

[Kaltagesta]

anti-air buggy

[Ozz13]

As far as being to expensive; I pay for a Tribes Public server, and it costs plenty, about $175 a month. This is just a way to force the money out amongst all you who play on our servers and don't pay a dime.

[Duilin]

That is possibly the worst comparison I have ever heard... And if you could read you would see where I said the issue for me isnt the fact that it costs money, its whether its worth the money it costs. I have nothing against paying if I believe it is worth it (I pay for daoc now), I was just trying to figure out if it is worth it.

[1024]

I don't know aobut everyone else, but the only content i look for is fun. IF thats not what you're looking for, if you want to go around clicking continuously on the same stupid mosters just to see your little character get a new glowing sword, go somewhere else.

[Duilin]

How long have you had PS for? I played it for 2 months in beta and I soon found base hopping wasnt quite as much fun as it was when I first started playing.

[Duilin]

On the note of what I was saying, this post seems to say it decently well (I dont agree with some points, but the overall one is definitely a good point)

http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8935

[Sputty]

Originally posted by Hamma
Welcome to the world of MMO's

Guess what? It costs some serious cash to keep all these servers running, and some serious cash to keep a dev team on board (the same team as release right now)

This is an FPS people, if you want content, or if you want to battle 30hours to gain some magical sword, go play something else.

Either that or define "content" in an FPS, please. I want to hear what "content" you look for.
Want teh pr0n in PS

[Seer]

Ozz13 brings up a good and often missed point: playing other online games isn't technically free. Small server admins end up footing the hosting bill. Unless you're paying for or running your own server like Ozz, you're just playing on someone else's dime. At least when you play Ps, it's your own.

[Duilin]

When I played CS, I would often help pay or run the servers... and I rarely played on pubs anyway, so that doesnt apply....


and that doesnt relate to the point at all =\

[Ozz13]

Well, kinda disagree my post is off the subject due to probably over 1/2 the comments refer to the continuing charge to play.

[Duilin]

They refer to it, but I dont have anything at all against it... I am just saying that I myself do not believe the game is worth that much montly.

[Matuse]

Then don't play it. Seriously.

If large scale, evolving warfare with new vehicles/weapons added periodically doesn't ring your bell, then don't play it.

How you can be bored of the playstyle in PS, and yet return to CS maps a thousand times while still having fun...well, god doesn't even know how that can be true.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Sputty
Want teh pr0n in PS This I can understand :brow:

[RUEN]

It isnt a standard FPS, you are on a HUGE continent.. with thousands of people, in a persistant ever changing world. IS that not enough for people?

If it isnt, go contineu playing the same half life maps over, and over, and over, and over.

How is playing the same Half-Life maps over and over dis-similar to fighting in bases that look EXACTLY alike over and over and over?

[Glaynor]

What I don't get is people complaining about 'content'. It is simple - either you like this type of game or you don't. It has content - it is just whether you like it or not.

What content does it have you may ask. Well to me it has: squads - the ability for 10 people to work as a unit, unlike all other games. It is not like Raven Shield which is one squad vs. one squad, or MOH which is just army vs. army running into one another. Here tactics are utilized, different members are needed and coordination is necessary.

levels - you can actually get different abilities as you raise your experience. How useful and how many diffferent functions you can perform are based upon kills and experience. This is much better than just getting everything the first time you log on. It is something to strive for, something to attain.

Fun - it is a first person shooter where relationships are formed with other people who want to engage in similar small squad yet large army tactical FPS situations. Getting into an outfit is clearly helpful based upon leadership. Most people will listen to someone else in their outfit a lot more than some stranger. You also will trust the judgement of an outfit leader usually.

Experience is secondary to the goal of having fun and killing the enemy. I've played FPS forever and it is always routine. Here, the money is charged becuase you won't have to worry about having the right mods, or having tons of lag (theoretically becuase I believe lag will get better) and the Devs will listen to what the gamers want and try to supply it.

To those who complain - you obviously don't like what the game offers, its not that the game doesn't have aything to offer.

[Endodroid]

I think �content� is a misused word when people complain that PS needs more of it. The game has plenty of variety for vehicles and weapons (though there should still be more empire specific vehicles added I feel), to me planetside would be an even better game if they added impact to holding or losing a base other than xp points. The game needs a little �holy shit, if they capture that base we�re going to really be hating life� feeling added to it.

Kind of like when you�re playing an RTS and one side starts to develop super weapons in the tech tree, though instead of having to wait for the tech to be �researched� it should just be a mater of capturing a base. There was a point early in the beta that I thought that was where the game was going to take shape, but then the lattice was put in place and the other stuff was ripped out of the game.

[IDgaf]

I agree with Endodroid that content isn't the correct word. I can't think of a alternative, though. Perhaps someone else can.

At any rate, I hope we would all agree that PS needs more to bring it out of the realm of 'being good' into the realm of being excellent.

Apart from XP issues and bringng the fight into the open a bit more - using the map as a whole - the bases certainly need amendment.

In a way each base - or at least a hell of a lot of them - should different. Mix it up a bit, make give us basis that make us use our weapons and vehicles creatively.

Make each one as interesting as CS level instead of a big concrete block dropped into the game. That's one of the kind of content I want. (For now.)

[Duilin]

You say dont play it if I dont like it... thats good, I dont play it, my original purpose of this post was to decide WHETHER I would buy retail. I played beta for awhile, and I wont deny PS is an awesome game. My concern is not that it is not a good game in essence - its whether it will remain a fun game long enough to justify the monthly payments. The reason I stopped playing beta was because I found that the only real form of battle was capping/defending bases that had no significant value - this soon grew dull. I was curious whether they had either installed (or are planning to) other objectives and other modes of combat (continents that actually truly are different, etc), which still has not really been answered - instead I have just gotten the same garbage spewed back in different forms.

As for CS, what I meant by that is that it offers more opportunity in my opinion - the same maps can be used for league play, which really doesnt get old. The only thing continents seemed to be used for in PS is base defending or capping, nothing besides raiding bases with no major significant value.

I really did not mean this to be an argument about the value of PS - I will agree that was a lot of fun to play for a short time. What I was inquiring about was whether any new things were being planned to be added... people answered saying that its an FPS, so therefore it for some reason does not need content. If that is true, then PS obviously is not worth the fee (for me at least).

[1024]

OK this (http://www.planetside-universe.com/articles.php?articleId=39) might help answer some of your questions



And man, if you dont like it, just dont play it.

[Duilin]

You know games DO change...


How many times do I have to say it, I am curious IF they are adding new things - If they do I imagine I will like it, im not flaming the goddamn game, im asking for info.

[Jaged]

They may not have added any new content yet, but the game has gotten alot better. I don't realy know why, but I was very bored with beta. I almost diddnt buy the retail version. Thankfully I made the purchase, and I have been enjoying every min. of it sence. I made a post asking why this was, a few weeks back. Every reply agreed that the game had gotten better. No one knew why....

[RUEN]

Perhaps because in beta, while there were huge battles, perhaps they weren't on the scale they are at now, and not as many... plus with the excess of n00bs the kills are through the roof.

[Jaged]

Shhhh, I knew that was the answer. I just said no one knew why to make it mysterious.

[BigDickMccoy]

EndoDroid hit it on the head....To me PS isn't boring at all, but it will need something extra to keep me playing for more than 9-12 months. They have already PUBLICALLY (Duilin) annouced that they will be adding to PS, and when you get bored with it, cancel the account

[SC385]

how big are the battles?

[Sharpshankgold]

don't forget you are also paying for the devs to bann all the cheaters in the game. cs has the most cheaters ever in a game and when your opponent has an unfair advantage, games are not fun. they should add were you can launch nukes from certain bases at sanctuaries. that would rock.