Reaver noobs???

[MrVicchio]

Last night, I blasted a Mag rider, took two good Rockets runs and catching it stoppped both times, cause lets be honest here folks, those dumbfire Rockets tend to fire at a funny angle, and hitting a moving target is a matter more of luck then anything.

Anyhoots, I blast this thing, and the driver sens me a /tell asking me "Is that all you can do is fly that over powered reaver?"

Now, I returned the /tell saying "Most of my kills are air-to-air, once in a while I hit grunts on the ground :P" Unfortunantly, this idget had put me on /ignore.

WTF?

Mythos was his name. Vanu was his Empire. Konreid was the server, send him a tell for me would ya :P

SO some of my fellow BOHICA sent him a tell and his response was "Stupid n00b reaver driver." And then /ignore.

I find it more then funny that the Reaver elicts this sort of hate. Its not that hard to down one, and to be honest, after your Rockets are out, you might as well stick to Air-to Air or reload cause that gun sucks for ground targets.

I have 65 Air-to-Air kills in my reaver, and aside Galaxies, I RARELY do Rockets against other air craft. What do you other pilots use?

[Chryse]

I use guns primarily on other aircraft, unless I have a good position on a Galaxy and can fire a spread at it. I also lay a salvo of rockets into the idiot Reaver or Skeeter pilots that hover in place then circle strafe in its rear arc with my guns.

I think the reason you get the kind of response you did (and why there's a negative reaction to Reavers overall) is because that person was embarrassed, felt helpless against your attack and needed to lash out. Take it in stride as a natural reaction. All the people complaining about Reavers just don't understand that all they need to feel safe are to bring some AA MAX'es with them and Reavers become much less of a problem. The thing is, most people think specialized AA MAX'es are useless outside of countering fliers (they are) and, thus, don't want to dedicate a spot for one in their squad. That's too bad, because if they choose not to bring along AA help, they really shouldn't cry about Reavers taking them out.

[MrVicchio]

Problem is, I am TR and the TR AA Max is the only one that SUX. Freaking NC AA Missiles will chase you across a continent man.. its LAME.

[Sputty]

Not everyone is a "Reaver n00b" but there are so many people with Reavers it's basically stereotyped all of them. Heh.

[MrVicchio]

Well, there are Mag rider n00s cause those things are hard to kill.

Sniper n00bs cause those guys sit way awya from you and kill you.

Max n00bs cause if you are on foot and the AP MAX has you your toast...

What other weapons can we say are for n00bs cause you can kill people with them?

[Hellsfire123]

God, the TR AA Max is amazing! If you plant, and dont paint your target untill you're ready to fire, you can kill a reaver before he can get to the after burner. This one AA max, Glazier on emerald i belive, would rape both me(reaver) and two friends(skeeter and a reaver) on the sole fact that he could take out a reaver before we ever saw him, and then kill another of us before having to reload.

kudos to him

[Sputty]

Mainly the Reaver and Magrider as they are super common and easier to use than the other things.

[Chryse]

I agree with Hellsfire, even if he is a barney. ;)

I used 2 spare cert points to pick up the Burster (AA) MAX and I was rock 'n' rollin' with it. In lock down mode you really can tear into Skeeters and Reavers and turn them into so much shredded wheat. The best part about them is they don't give missle lock warnings.

[mikkyT]

Viccio its totally different, there are hardly any magriders or snipers in comparison to the amount of fucking ghey arsed reaver n00bs that like to piss everyone off.

If you dont like being tarnished with the reavertard brush, dont fly a reaver :(

[IDgaf]

TR AA max is a good weapon. I don't have a particularly good kill/death ratio, but it gets better when I'm in that Max suit.

Even if I can't take out the enemy I delay him - and that in itself is a help.

The fact that it just fills the sky with carnage is a plus in my opinion.

[NightWalker XI]

I know exactly what you mean, jsut this morning I managed to kill a NC MAX running really fast like they do and I decided to shoot at it and shot a salvo a couple of meter ahead, they hit him dead on then he stopped and i shot him sum mroe and he died..he sent a tell going "WTF Reavers are for noobs"

My response "stfu"

Reavers ain't all that, I constantly get shot down by other Reavers, Skeeters, Spitfires and Turrets anmd even sometimes AA MAX's and AA weapons *gasp* but yeah, Reavers aren't all that (I don't think so anyway)

[Chryse]

Reavers really are not all that, thank you. A lot of punk-asses fly them because it seems cool to them that they can rain dozens of rockets down onto ill-prepared groups of people. Hell, any monkey can do that, but can they get away without having to land and repair each time? I see plenty of bad examples of what I loosely call "piloting skills" and can spot the n00bs easily.

The world needs more AA MAX'es to act as street sweepers of the sky... to wipe away all the moron pilots. The rest of us real pilots would appreciate that and still manage to survive the purge. :cool:

[Hamma]

I fly a reaver most of the time, becaues I love pissing people off. :p

[beavis88]

I had a guy call me a cheapshot artist for hopping in a tower turret and frying him. Of course, he was in a max, just sitting on the roof of the tower...what am I supposed to do as a lil ole grunt? :D

[kerosene31]

Originally posted by Chryse
Reavers really are not all that, thank you.

I hear that. I never understood the whole Reaver thing. I just spec'd in one last night (I flew a bit in the beta too), and these things are not that powerful. Sure they are easy to fly, but hitting a small and/or moving target is a difficult thing to do. Flying over the battlefield (even just above the ground) is a dangerous thing. It seems missiles come from anywhere.

The only targets which are easy to hit are ones standing still. If you are standing still in the open field, you deserve to get killed.

I think what gets people upset is that they are very hard to kill. Once a Reaver starts taking major fire, you can just burn away. You only die in one if you linger too long.

[�io]

Originally posted by mikkyT
Viccio its totally different, there are hardly any magriders or snipers in comparison to the amount of fucking ghey arsed reaver n00bs that like to piss everyone off.

If you dont like being tarnished with the reavertard brush, dont fly a reaver :(

:stupid:

[MilitantB0B]

I agree that there are way too many reavers out there. It is getting to be that there are more squadmembers flying outside the gal then inside (wich makes it really hard to hold a CC when half your members refuse to leave there reavers to defend inside the base).
However, you can quickly seperate the reaver n00b from the battle hardened vet when things get hairy. You would be suprised how many reavers kills you can rack up off those n00bs. :)

[Arakiel]

By far and wide, most reaver pilots have very little skill. Virtually all of the "omg owned n00b" tells I get are from striker users and reaver pilots, both of which rank pretty low on the skill totem pole.

I fly a reaver and I recognize the fact that it's a lame way to kill people. Infantry have very little chance to take one down, and a reaver costing 4 certs doesn't justify how overpowered it is at the moment. The sheer rate at which a reaver can mow down troops, MAXes, and most armored vehicles with rockets is ridiculous.

[Mythos]

Reaver=Noob

:D

[AcidCat]

There are many powerful weapons in the game. And when you use them, there are always going to be crybabies out there that feel that you took some kind of advantage of them. Ignore those fools and use whatever advantage any weapon gives you to kill as many of the enemy as possible.

[Pilgrim]

I trained up in Sparrow last night... finaly a MAX I can use!

Drop 8 reavers in about 30 minutes. And several did what I consider to be smart tactics. I just launch 6 missles in the direction before I get lock and watch all of them hit at nearly the same time.

The great irony of it all is that on that Character I also have reaver... and have used it to chunk up the bad guys!

So now I'm commited to seeing how high I can get solo, made br 5 last night without ever squading up... I'll see If I make 10 faster then I did with my "I'm friendly and play with everyone else" player

PAX

[Hamma]

Originally posted by AcidCat
There are many powerful weapons in the game. And when you use them, there are always going to be crybabies out there that feel that you took some kind of advantage of them. Ignore those fools and use whatever advantage any weapon gives you to kill as many of the enemy as possible. ^^^ Pretty much

If its in the game, use it. Something like the reaver was meant to be powerful, it is a close support aircraft. People who dont carry some AA max's or AV weapons in their squad deserve to be wiped with no chance.

[AcidCat]

Originally posted by Arakiel


I fly a reaver and I recognize the fact that it's a lame way to kill people. Infantry have very little chance to take one down, and a reaver costing 4 certs doesn't justify how overpowered it is at the moment. The sheer rate at which a reaver can mow down troops, MAXes, and most armored vehicles with rockets is ridiculous.

I just don't get this kind of backward thinking. A weapon is effective, so it's suddenly a "lame way to kill people"? Should everyone run around just killing with the knife so they can somehow prove something to someone by killing the enemy in the most difficult, inconvenient way possible?

Are you on the battlefield to try and impress total strangers, or are you there to kill the enemy?

[wasupx]

the longer you use a reaver, the more you will realize those cannons are insanely good.
Rockets=low flying spam fast
cannon=high altitude easy vehicle destroying

No use wasting rockets on ants or fast moving lightly armored vehicles. Just use the cannons. Easiest way to take out a magrider is cannons. Its the most annoying thing in the world to be taking damage as a magrider from a high altitude reaver. Only chance i had against this seldom used tactic is to cry for air support. Most reaver pilots will just fly low into my gunners sights. Usually you spam him with 100rounds of the cannon and he will be doing circles and twists trying to evade you, he thinks your 50feet above him. He will then realize he doesnt know where you are and will drive off, generally to a corner to repair. Soon as he gets out, dive rocket or just rocket from your high alt. Give some time after initial cannon fire for him to think hes safe so he can go repair :p

Cant wait for the 35mm cannons on the bomber, those should be insane against vehicles :p

Worst tell i ever got while flying a reaver was when i took out a vanu sniper who was part of a huge force on esamir. something like "you fuckin bitch hiding in that reaver, grow some balls and play with the big boys" and he ignored me right after. That coming from a sniper haha!

[PhyreFox]

I got a question for my fellow Rev pilots...

I've found that i'm spending the majority of my time carrying boxes and flying to and from a friendly place with an Inv station, than I do actially in combat. Anyone else find themselves doing this?

I should mention though, i'm not complaining about that. I should NOT be able to loiter over the target endlessly with nearly a full loadout all the time, that'd suck for everybody. Including me.. as I've already learned that as the time you spend loitering is directly proportionate to the ammount of people trying to fire missiles up yer arse. Get in, unload and get out before you end up walking home. And for god's sake, don't hover there like a missile magnet. Then even I might sbe able to shoot you down :p

[Led]

Nothing like having 18 points of certs completely nullified by one tard leaning on the fire button.

[AcidCat]

Originally posted by Led
Nothing like having 18 points of certs completely nullified by one tard leaning on the fire button.

LOL, hmm, now really, which one would be the "tard" in that situation? :p

[PhyreFox]

I'm sure there are pllenty of other weapons that, if you lean on the fire button, will murderl a BR18 soldier, not just a certain aircraft.

[michaelsuave]

i don't understand how this conversation has gone on so long. basically there are two types of people in this thread, those who hate/dislike the reaver or think its over powered, and those who say, hey, bring some aa, you will kick my butt with it. Seriously though, take a look at the vanu aa max thread, its full of ways to kick the crap out of a reaver, and as somebody who plays both a reaver and av/aa max's and carries and av cert, i know the importance of being able to swat down an enemy aircraft. They are great on supportive fire, if your on the giving side and not the recieving. But aa can swat them down faster then they can take out the aa. so stop whining people, and start learning from your lessons learned. If you hate being knocked down by reavers, get a phenoix/striker/ devestator/rocketlet/lancer/aa max and kick the crap out of the pilot trying to gun you down. it supposed to be a war, you prepare for your enemy, then you fight it. if you have 18 levels of cert points and can't knock a reaver out of the air, then buddy, i never want to play on your squad because you suck. (wasn't aimed at any one person, just a general statement*) live and learn, thats the way life is.

[Zarparchior]

You know what pisses me off about the reaver the most? It's armor. It's insanely strong for an airbone vehicle. I've literally unloaded 2 clips with my Lancer (12 shots) missing maybe 2 total shots on a Reaver with my Lancer, and you know what he did? He casually looked around for where the fire was coming from and killed me in 0.5 seconds.

Yep! Reaver are fine and utterly balanced! I love them so! I want the game's name to be changed to Reaverside, because they are just so damn cool!!!!1111 :rolleyes:

This may be futuristic, but for balance reasons you should not have extreme mobilty, extreme offensive power, very strong armor, AND the obvious ability to travel the Z axis at will. It seems they kind of realized this, and thus made the AA MAX, which would normally eat Reavers for breakfast but usually just ends up temporarily scaring them away (they just afterburn out whenever I try to shoot them with my AA MAX). The only effective VS counter to them is air support...

Isn't that fair and balanced when the only way to take down something is to use it against itself? You disagree? Then prove it, you stupid motherfuckers you. :)

[Keaten]

I wanted to second michaelsuave's post

It's just that it sucks to get killed either way, no matter what you fly/drive/wear/call your weapon. I get frustrated when an AA shoots me down (and they do a lot!), then I evaluate what I did wrong. Then I do something different. You play, you learn. This is a war.

[Searo]

Are Reavers gonna chew a single soldier up? Yes.
That's why they want BALANCED squads. Not 5 grunts, 5 pilots, but 4 grunts, 1 AV Max, 1 AA Max, 1 Medic, 1 Engineer, 1 Gal Pilot, 1 Reaver Pilot. I've never seen a squad like that. I haven't been playing long, and I'm not that good, but still. THEY WANT BALANCED SQUADS! REAVERS FORCE YOU TO MAKE BALANCED SQUADS! You can't just have everyone cert in med assault and head out, some people need to be MAXes, some people need to be engineers to repair MAXes, etc..

[Airlift]

I :love: Reavers. They are crunchy on the outside and chewy in the middle

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by AcidCat

Are you on the battlefield to try and impress total strangers, or are you there to kill the enemy?

No. But for a game to be fun, most people require something more than dead enemies. For the record, I love playing PS :p

However, the problem lies in that there are certain weapons and vehicles with little to no learning curve that are still incredibly effective against skilled soldiers. It's not really a problem with the reaver as much as it's a problem with the game dynamic: PS doesn't require enough skill, and skill doesn't bring enough reward. It ends up being a numbers game in the end.

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by PhyreFox
I'm sure there are pllenty of other weapons that, if you lean on the fire button, will murderl a BR18 soldier, not just a certain aircraft.

Not half as effectively, though.

[�io]

Originally posted by Hunter-R
So now I'm commited to seeing how high I can get solo, made br 5 last night without ever squading up... I'll see If I make 10 faster then I did with my "I'm friendly and play with everyone else" player

Yeah it's kinda dumb that you get more BEPs solo. I played solo for the first time last nite (was always 2 or 3 at least before) and usually in my squads if i killed a MAX i got an average of 40-50BEPs, solo each MAX was at least 150 and i got quite a few 250+.


Anyhoo back on the subject in which i do not wish to discuss (or whine acording to some recruits :lol: ) but i will just say one thing, the "there are many powerful weapons in the game" thing isn't really a valid point. Sure the magrider or jackhammer or dual cycler is a very very dangerous threat just like the Reaver, no argument there, the thing is every one of those things have many other enemies to fear, AV guys, SA guys, MAXs, other tanks, and of course Reavers, even a few infantry with nades can do damage to them, the Reaver only has two, AA MAXs and Skeeters, anything else is killed very easily with a well placed rocket spam.

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by PhyreFox
I got a question for my fellow Rev pilots...

I've found that i'm spending the majority of my time carrying boxes and flying to and from a friendly place with an Inv station, than I do actially in combat. Anyone else find themselves doing this?

I should mention though, i'm not complaining about that. I should NOT be able to loiter over the target endlessly with nearly a full loadout all the time, that'd suck for everybody. Including me.. as I've already learned that as the time you spend loitering is directly proportionate to the ammount of people trying to fire missiles up yer arse. Get in, unload and get out before you end up walking home. And for god's sake, don't hover there like a missile magnet. Then even I might sbe able to shoot you down :p

The kicker with the Reaver is, and go to the BOHICA forum, I get asked to get in my Reaver :) Is you have to learn how to strafe fire with it. If you see a mag rider in a base, and lots of bad guys, you are gonna DIE if you try to loiter fire on it. PERIOD. I can get 10 Rockets on target at full AB adn fly right under the main arch, hit the Mag under teh next arch up over the next wall and down in the forest (if there is forest) behind it. Period.


Best thing to do... Grab a reaver in a Tech Plant, they are just awesome for this, and practice flying in circles through it, under all the arches. Consider yourself "trained" when you can go UNDER the one arch and UP the vehilce ramp at full after Burner and down throught the exit arch with out taking damage.

I dont fly high often, I fly right though the woods, at ground level. This keeps other reavers off you. Flying high exposes you to more missile locks. YES you do take small arms fire sometimes at low level, and you CAN if you are unlucky lag death or hell just even flat out hit a tree, but if you do it, enough, you can rule.

If you are going after another Aircraft, stay behind him and fire only at close range, guns only (unless he is hovering) and stay behind him, if he AB off, fire only 1/2 yours and make sure you stay 30Degrees left or right of his turns, so you can be in position when he rolls out of his turn. I no kidding have over 50 Reaver kills al air-to-air so far... and those are just the ones that didn't eject first.

Hope that helps.

[Happy lil Elf]

Nothing like having 18 points of certs completely nullified by one tard leaning on the fire button.

Yeah no shit, I hate miniguns. Wait I thought we were talking about Reavers...
:p

[MrVicchio]

TO ALL THOSE WHINING ABOUT THE REAVER I SAY LEARN TO USE BETTER TACTICS YOU NOOBS CAUSE I LOVE FREE EXP FOR KILLING YOUR NOOB SELF!

[PariaH]

Originally posted by Arakiel

However, the problem lies in that there are certain weapons and vehicles with little to no learning curve that are still incredibly effective against skilled soldiers. It's not really a problem with the reaver as much as it's a problem with the game dynamic: PS doesn't require enough skill, and skill doesn't bring enough reward. It ends up being a numbers game in the end.

:thumbsup:

[AcidCat]

Originally posted by Arakiel

However, the problem lies in that there are certain weapons and vehicles with little to no learning curve that are still incredibly effective against skilled soldiers. It's not really a problem with the reaver as much as it's a problem with the game dynamic: PS doesn't require enough skill, and skill doesn't bring enough reward.

Well, everyone has different expectations of the game I suppose, people are bound to be disappointed by one aspect or another. You're not the first person I've seen that is hung up on the "skill" issue ... PS is just not the kind of game where you're going to get super skilled and just own enemies left and right - the game simply emphasizes teamwork over individual skill. That' s nothing new, you either accept it or you don't, it's not going to change. The main skills relevant in PS aren't twitch gaming skills - they are tactical skills, and the skill of working within a squad as a team. There is NO THREAT in the game that can't be dealt with by a balanced squad.

So maybe it's not that PS doesn't require skill - it's that it requires a different kind of skill than you're used to. And rather than adapt to the game, you complain that the game doesn't adapt to your expectations. Nothing new there.

[PariaH]

for any person moving from other fps's they need some of this element in a game for the good of its long term longevity, regardless of whether its a team based shooter or a 1v1 deathmatch there still exists the need for some feeling that you beat the other guy thru your skills rather than both players standing toe to toe and holding down the fire button the 1 with the biggest weapon wins,

loads of other games manage it and still remain "tactical squad based" games.

I totally agree with Arakiel hence i didnt think i even had to reply, he said it all for me, some people can play and enjoy planetside but still see room for improvement (constructive criticism) others seem to get upset when someone dares to speak out against their beloved game ;)

[Happy lil Elf]

some people can play and enjoy planetside but still see room for improvement (constructive criticism) others seem to get upset when someone dares to speak out against their beloved game

Lemme take that statement and flip the bias on it for ya.

"some people can play and say they enjoy planetside but still seem to want to whine and cry about various things while others get sick of their incessant bitching and tend to get irked rather easily after listening to it for months"

There, they're both biased and really serve no purpose other than flame bait. Probably taking that comment totally out of context, since I'm just skimming at the moment, but I found it amusing :p

Anyways, no this game does not require as much personal skill as other FPS games. It's also not centered around personal skill but rather around teamwork.What I don't fail to understand is if that doesn't appeal to you, why would you play the game? Isn't that kinda like not liking ice cream and then paying $50 for it?

[OneManArmy]

lmao, was that the real Mr. V? :lol:

[Hamma]

That is pretty messed up you get more EXP solo. Needs to be fixed.

[MrVicchio]

Originally posted by Hamma
That is pretty messed up you get more EXP solo. Needs to be fixed.

They need to set it up thusly:

Bounty system more prominant i.e. If you kill 10 people and are alive for 5 min or longer, you are worth a bounty bonus when killed. The person that kills you get the full bounty and the squad EXP stays as is. This way YOU still get for individual and the squad gains for you as well.

[DarkDragon00]

I like to stay A to A. I attack ground when im needed to but i have to reclaim my pride as the owner of teh skiez! I need practice cuz in beta i was teh owner, now im just one of many really good air to air pilots. Hit me up with /t if ur an enemy and want to battle. WE can find a nice empty facil and duke it out old honorable 1 to 1 style!

[PariaH]

Originally posted by Happy lil' Elf
Isn't that kinda like not liking ice cream and then paying $50 for it?

Dont get me wrong i love this game, its the only game i currently play (if its made me drop my previous games then it has alot of good features), thats probably one of the reasons for highlighting things we dont like or think need improving, i.e i want to play this game for a long time without losing interest, hence these are my opinions on what would extend this.

is there really any harm in highlighting issues which grieve you? Game Discussion
Discuss your Planetside thoughts here.

If you cant challenge other peoples views theres not gonna be much discussion apart from planetside r0x0r's posts.

[Streamline]

1.... reaver is common pool. 2 its only really good for targets that are out in the open and not moving. If you are both of these. Then you deserve to get owned. If no one in your squad has AA of one type or another and knows how to use it. You deserve to get owned. If you leave an AMS bubble without listening for the reaver before you exit. You deserve to get owned.

I usually only use the reaver when i need an equallizer cuz the rest of my empire's doin to much squattin and not enough killin. I often get /tells w/ complements "VS should be very proud you fly for them" though i can never tell if they are being sarcastic.

IMO maxs have longer life spans. Almost everytime i buy a reaver then lose it. I can't buy another one for a roughly 2 minutes. But i seen guys buy max, die, and buy another max. Just cuz it's easier to survive as a max for the spawn timer duration.
Sure there are alot of reaver n00bs. Just like infil n00bs or any other PS vocation. welcome to Auraxis. And you know what else? It's gonna be this way for at least a year. And you're not likely to be able to tell the difference anytime soon. At least not til its too late.

[FearTheAtlas]

Originally posted by Chryse
I use guns primarily on other aircraft, unless I have a good position on a Galaxy and can fire a spread at it. I also lay a salvo of rockets into the idiot Reaver or Skeeter pilots that hover in place then circle strafe in its rear arc with my guns.

I think the reason you get the kind of response you did (and why there's a negative reaction to Reavers overall) is because that person was embarrassed, felt helpless against your attack and needed to lash out. Take it in stride as a natural reaction. All the people complaining about Reavers just don't understand that all they need to feel safe are to bring some AA MAX'es with them and Reavers become much less of a problem. The thing is, most people think specialized AA MAX'es are useless outside of countering fliers (they are) and, thus, don't want to dedicate a spot for one in their squad. That's too bad, because if they choose not to bring along AA help, they really shouldn't cry about Reavers taking them out.

Hehe, you know that AA MAX's are really effective, but yeah, I do think that people need to stop complaining about the Reavers...their there for a reason. Anyway, when I was a reaver I used rockets mostly, I got used to the firing angle and I could lead most ships and do alot of intial damage.

[�io]

Originally posted by Hamma
That is pretty messed up you get more EXP solo. Needs to be fixed.

They don't have to fix much, just bring back squad sharing instead of spliting. That way being in a squad is actually a bigger advantage then going solo.

[Hamma]

I concur.