Stupid TR complaints

[Vex]

:ncrocks: :trrocks: :vssucks:
The proper pattern. Me myself being NC i am constantly sick of hearing all this complete shit about the TR. It is driving me crazy. The TR are a good force I have no problems with thier equipment or the way they play, obviously i kick there ass when i see one because i don't like there creed and if I don't kill them they'll kill me. However for all the **** out there who get a serious sexual thrill from moaning about the TR the only reason you might lose is because people realise that there are more people to play with if they go TR because on all other empires there is always some jerk moaning about the TR. NC and TR are the dominant factors in this game they are pretty much an equal side here are the his and lows of each weapon.....
Repeater>MAG scatter-A clear and obvious win for the TR here. There repeater is bithing and even with a guass or punisher i have trouble beating it...:o

Guass=Cycler-An even match for the following reasons. Nothing can really stop Guass at a range it is absolutely devastating. Even a bolt driver has difficulty with this at a range and with a guass on a range i have never lost a fight. Whereas cycler up close cannot lose. Everyone knows and realises that the Guass is a piece of shit up close due to the recoil and not fast enough fire rate.

Jackhammer>Minigun-Uber weapon jackhammer cannot lose to a simple minigun. Its clear as hell why not. And im not giving exceptions for the retards.

Phoenix=Striker-Even again. Despite the fact the striker has 3 missiles it cannot beat the firepower and accuracy of the phoenix.

But now its my turn to bitch about the stupid Vanu with thier crappy weapons and crappy tactics. I myself would be playing planetside now but i only play at weekends and my dad is working this weekend so im going forum chatting. I have noticed the vanu never actually go head on, well they do but very rarely and when they do they lose cus there shit. They are just cowardly base hoppers and in my opinion the only reason there left in the game is for target practice. The only time i lose to Vanu scum is when i meet one up close with a guass. Naturally i get owned. I hate the vanu alot they are just so cowardly! I cant actually see the point of this post but i just wish ppl would stop moaning about the TR and moan about the VS for once.... Sheesh

[MountainManDX]

Glad to hear the European server chipped in. As a Vanu, let me be the first to say to you that you are absolutely right. Our weapons are crap. They are either (a) too slow, or (b) too weak, to do much of anything. Vanu is without a doubt the underdog empire. But I like the underdogs, and I have capped quite a few bases for the VS. TR and NC are for children. If you want to play Planetside as anything other than a "me gun killed u first" mentality, you play for Vanu. Vanu requires tactics and organization that NC and TR never consider. We may be weaker, but know that if our weapons are ever placed on a par with the other two empires, you NC and TR boys will be wondering what the hell hit you.

[Jaged]

Originally posted by Vex
Repeater>MAG scatter-A clear and obvious win for the TR here. There repeater is bithing and even with a guass or punisher i have trouble beating it...:o
As an NC infl, my only ranged weapon is the pistol. I use it alot. I have used all three empire specific weapons, and I can say that the Mag Scatter is definatly better than the repaeater. The repeater is esentialy the sniper rifle of the pistols. It has great range for its small size. But, as an infl, range is much less important. Infls strike up close and deal out major dammage with whatever they have. And because tha main class that uss a pistol is the infl, I conclude that the Mag scatter is the superior pistol.

[Zarparchior]

STFU n00b!!!! TR r teh WIN WE WILL CRUSEH uUUUU~U~~~~~~ u winy bastd complinaed to much abuot TR winig to much ad thye NERFED TRT!!!! NOW THEY GIMP YOU SUXKC!!!!! cuz u winy bastd

kthxbye I IWN INWIN INWINI IWNIN IWNINWIN INWINWIN IWNINW INWIN WINW INWIN INWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111

[Jaged]

Originally posted by Zarparchior
STFU n00b!!!! TR r teh WIN WE WILL CRUSEH uUUUU~U~~~~~~ u winy bastd complinaed to much abuot TR winig to much ad thye NERFED TRT!!!! NOW THEY GIMP YOU SUXKC!!!!! cuz u winy bastd

kthxbye I IWN INWIN INWINI IWNIN IWNINWIN INWINWIN IWNINW INWIN WINW INWIN INWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111
:confused:

[Zarparchior]

Originally posted by Jaged
:confused: I'm a TR. I'm complaining.

[MuadDib]

Originally posted by Zarparchior
STFU n00b!!!! TR r teh WIN WE WILL CRUSEH uUUUU~U~~~~~~ u winy bastd complinaed to much abuot TR winig to much ad thye NERFED TRT!!!! NOW THEY GIMP YOU SUXKC!!!!! cuz u winy bastd

kthxbye I IWN INWIN INWINI IWNIN IWNINWIN INWINWIN IWNINW INWIN WINW INWIN INWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111

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we w1ll oWnzj00 wit tha mad blu suits N sweet ass sweet dunebuggiezz

j00 suk N ths hole msgbrd nowz it

Terran Rupublic punks R llamerz ther msgbrd bitez azz

Vanu Sovereignty blowz chunkzz W3rd!

whn PlanetSide comz out j00l see how New Conglomerz peeps wreck j00 all wit 10 flavahz of hurt we R tha ICEY HOT GANGSTAHZ

w3rd 2 my peepz! New CG! New CG!!!!!! pce out

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by Zarparchior
STFU n00b!!!! TR r teh WIN WE WILL CRUSEH uUUUU~U~~~~~~ u winy bastd complinaed to much abuot TR winig to much ad thye NERFED TRT!!!! NOW THEY GIMP YOU SUXKC!!!!! cuz u winy bastd

kthxbye I IWN INWIN INWINI IWNIN IWNINWIN INWINWIN IWNINW INWIN WINW INWIN INWIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111

lol! :D

The trend of the whining department will now shift from the TR MAXes (fixed) to the NC jackhammers. Whatever is decided in the end I'm sure this game will be balanced within a year or so.

And there are serious issues with the Jackhammer that can be addressed. Both sides have their points. In the end, however, if the Jackhammer is not nerfed, I would like my fellow TR players to stop whining about it so much. Learn Heavy Weapons and stock pile your locker with 18 Jackhammers like I did. ;)

On a side note, I agree that the Vanu are more underpowered than the other 2 empires. Lately, I've tried to fight NC held continents only because I feel so bad for the Barnies. No, this is not pity... well yeah... it actually is. :p

[Zarparchior]

Yeah... it's funny but in most of the pickup squads for the TR for my server we are against the NC. I always suggest that we try to take over a VS sanctuary continent as it would be very easy XP and we'd be able to blow up a good many everything with little fear of retribution... but was ususally told no. They said they felt bad about killing so many and being able to repel them all so easily...

The VS are underpowered IMO (their MAXs, med assault, and Thresher need the most love). However, it seems like a lot of the dumbasses still play on them. I thought the opposite would be true, but it seems the SAME thing happend to EQ for the Sullon Zek server (Evil, Neutral, and Good teams): It was easier to follow an evil deity (TR) and control most uber zones right in your backyard, along with having the only classes that automatically regenerate. I wanted to play good (VS) to be the underdog... but the people were morons. There were a few gems, but it actually seemed like the stupid unintelligent people went to the good team, probably out of ignorance. I guess this is the case for the VS. The ignorant and the underdog champions are the only ones who play them. :ugh:

[SpacemanSpiff]

I have a soft spot for the purple Barnies as well. It's too bad they aren't given more love by the Devs. I'm sure this will change, however, since the VS is the Dev art department's most prized creation.

Until then maybe we should strike hard against them though.. I could use a BEP boost. ;)

[Zarparchior]

Amen. I want to have more than agile armor, a striker and a floating cert. :D

[AbsurdWreckage]

Go terran rebublic!!!!

theterranspecops.iwarp.com

w00t

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by AbsurdWreckage
Go terran rebublic!!!!

theterranspecops.iwarp.com

w00t

Keep it in your pants or in the recruitment forum. Whichever you choose. ;)

[Trebor95]

perhaps the Vanu are deliberately weak, so when the Aliens return, they will ally with the Vanu and provide them with portable nukes or something daft ...

/admin passes Trebor his coat

[Zentenk VA]

The Jackhammer is good... it did suck in beta before they fixxed it and now that it is fixxed more people use it so you see lots of deaths by the jackhammer so you think, "OMG THIS THING IS OVERPOWERED!" when in reality it is just as powerful as the sweeper shotgun but it holds more in its clip, has secondary fire, fires faster and can kill MAX armor's more easily.. all this for 4 POINTS! The Gauss rifle sucks horribly, i killed more people with the Supressor than the Gauss... i usualy pick up a Pulsar than a Gauss rifle and own everyone w/ the pulsar and god forbid if i got a Cycler I'd be unstoppable. One thing the Vanu have goin for them is the Lancer, the auto sniper rifle. Last I checked it was an anti-vehicle weapon.

[NeoTassadar]

Complaining about Vanu not using juggernaut tactics when they don't have juggernaut weapons? I see something seriously wrong here. Vex, when certain weapons stress certain tactics over others, you tend to use those, or die. If you've played Mechwarrior, would you play an Elemental the same way you would an Atlas? If you've played AvP, would you played an Alien the same way you would a Predator? Starcraft: play Zerg same as Protoss? Hundreds of other examples, how long have you been playing games?

[Onizuka]

WRONG!!! :ncrocks: :vsrocks: :trsucks:

[NeoTassadar]

Hamma, you need to remove those smilies. Please.

[DarkDragon00]

actually gauss wins up close and cycler from far off. Gauss has to deal with too much recoil to not be an upcloase weapon and the fact that it has more punch. Cycler has the most accurate burst mode ever, it snipes shooting 5-10 rounds if u want!

[rafein]

does kinda seem teams are kinda set by skill level.

When you start, your TR, cause it's easy to own when TR.

Lean to shoot straight, and it's NC, as their shots, tend to pack more punch.

When you wanna prove your better than anyone else, you go Vanu. Other than the Magrider, Vanu is pretty bad vs. TR and NC. so with your inferior equip, if you own, you own.

[NeoTassadar]

:no: It's lost on them.

[Searo]

For a boost, if all Vanu weapons had a small Plasma nade effect they would be good. Problem solved.

[Pyro212]

I really hope they don't nerf the NC's jackhammer.

I think its their best asset.

When playing against NC its the only thing they can consistantly beat me with (i use the sweeper and lancer).

Its not overpowered, it SHOULD own the crap out of me at close range.

[Streamline]

http://www.student.smsu.edu/s/san232s/hardfunnypics/gheylettermansimmons-DaveD123.jpg

[Agent White]

Originally posted by Vex
The only time i lose to Vanu scum is when i meet one up close with a guass.

First of all, it's "Gauss" and second of all it's not a Vanu weapon.

Please wait til you make it out of BR2 before you start talking trash. Obviously you've never played stairwell pounder party, but since you probably won't make it out of Sanctuary before your 30 day trial is up, I doubt we'll have to hear from you again regarding weapon balance.

[Zentenk VA]

He means the only time he gets beat by vanu is up close when he is using the gauss rifle. Hope that helps YOU out.

[Revolver]

Originally posted by MountainManDX
Glad to hear the European server chipped in. As a Vanu, let me be the first to say to you that you are absolutely right. Our weapons are crap. They are either (a) too slow, or (b) too weak, to do much of anything. Vanu is without a doubt the underdog empire. But I like the underdogs, and I have capped quite a few bases for the VS. TR and NC are for children. If you want to play Planetside as anything other than a "me gun killed u first" mentality, you play for Vanu. Vanu requires tactics and organization that NC and TR never consider. We may be weaker, but know that if our weapons are ever placed on a par with the other two empires, you NC and TR boys will be wondering what the hell hit you. Ok here we go again. Saying something without any support to appeal to someone's emotions almost never works without alot of planning and info of the audience. Saying that NC and TR are children and then going off to talk about how your stuff works.

[Vex]

Agent stfu you dumb ass i would rather make a simple speeling mistake than totally wrong-read a simple sentence. What a reject. Thanx for the replys guys.

[Jarlo]

Zarparchior wrote
The VS are underpowered IMO (their MAXs, med assault, and Thresher need the most love). However, it seems like a lot of the dumbasses still play on them

I am one of these "dumbasses" who play VS. What you have to realize is not everyone plays vid games to be the most uber l33t superputz in the world. Some of us like a challenge and like to be the underdog.

You like TR because they take the least skill and practice to play. I like VS because it takes alot of work to play them and it is very challenging. Different strokes for different folks.

Edit: spelling sucks

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by Jarlo
Zarparchior wrote


I am one of these "dumbasses" who play VS. What you have to realize is not everyone plays vid games to be the most uber l33t superputz in the world. Some of us like a challenge and like to be the underdog.

You like TR because they take the least skill and practice to play. I like VS because it takes alot of work to play them and it is very challenging. Different strokes for different folks.

Edit: spelling sucks

First of all, I agree that it is more difficult to play as the Vanu (excluding the Magriding Lawnmower of DOOM).
However, I do not agree with your peculiar assertion that it takes the "least skill and practice" to be a Terran.
Be careful not to tread the path of ridiculous claims that so many threads like this seem to encompass.

Edit: spelling PWNS J00!!!

[Tricky]

Accuracy in mass = TR

No one can agrue that it's probably easier to shoot TR weapons.

[Jarlo]

I'm sorry you disagree Spiff but most everyone else agrees that TR is the easiest to kill with.

I mean really how much skill does a pounder or even DC take? They spray death everywhere.

[Yogi]

If the TR are complaining how come every other thread over the the PS forums are about nerfing the striker, TR maxes, cycler, and other weapons?

The only TR's who spray and pray to kill are the ones being killed. It takes just as much skill as you say to fire off the TR weapons.

[Zarparchior]

Jarlo, you fail to realize that I have mostly played on the VS, and still do. I have said many times that the VS are the underdogs, and I understand that people like challanges (like myself). However, I don't like to lose. I really don't. Neither does anyone else. However, having a difficult challange and sucessfully overcoming makes the victory all the more sweet. I'm joining Night's Outfit on Werner and if the promises are kept, the people are smart, actually use tactics, and will work together. I know the full potential of the VS weapons, and if people were to realize that the VS is more about specialization than versatility and work on their strongpoints... then they'd win a lot more.

But that's not going to happen. Stupid people play better when stupid tactics work. VS requires skill, brains, and patience. The people who have the above have my utmost respect if they still play on the VS. The people who just think they look "kewl" and feign their leetness and brainpower by hiding amungst the purple outcasts I do not. Which one are you? I don't know. I don't know, nor will I fake to know for everyone. The only way anyone could know for sure is to play with that person. And if anyone takes that as a challange, good. I'll be playing on Werner. Give me a tell. :cool:

[SpacemanSpiff]

Originally posted by Yogi
If the TR are complaining how come every other thread over the the PS forums are about nerfing the striker, TR maxes, cycler, and other weapons?

The only TR's who spray and pray to kill are the ones being killed. It takes just as much skill as you say to fire off the TR weapons.

Yogi, I completely agree with you there, but it would seem some people don't understand the concept of old-fashioned FPS'ing skill. Most heavy weapon players within my TR outfit kill with greater efficiency with the NC *cough* Jackhammer. So, does this mean that the NC Jackhammer takes the least amount of skill to kill with? Regardless what anyone may believe... skill is skill. People are beginning to stop whining about nerfed weapons. People now need to stop whining about nerfed and uber Empires because there's really no such thing. Of course, the devs could always make ALL weapons Common Pool, but that would defeat the point of the game. But if this would actually make people stop crying NERF.. maybe it isn't totally a bad idea. Hell, the only reason I chose the TR in the first place was because I liked their color scheme - I still have not grown accustomed to our goggles, however. In fact, I may never will.

[Zarparchior]

I like the TR because of their color scheme, their agile armor (reinforced looks kinda strange to me...), and their goggles. I like them. :cool:

I don't like the NC because their suits look like lego blocks. Their MAXs look way too chunky... but kind of have a strange appeal at the same time. Their color sceme is so-so.

I like the VS because their reinforced armor looks badass. Their agile I am not very pleased with (looks like Alien costumes except... purple... :scared: ). Their secondary color is nice as well. At least all of their weapon models look sweetz0r. :sarcasm:

[Jarlo]

I don't whine at all about TR being overpowered, and care very little about the nerfing of their maxes. I enjoy the challenge of trying to take down a pounder or DC with my shotgun and grenades.

I don't mind losing really, I like trying to hold out against overwhelming odds. I perceive TR as the evil empire with overpowering force, and it is fun to fight them 8)

[SpacemanSpiff]

Yes. That is exactly why I like to be them. Hail the Republic!
http://www.dakotacom.net/~kelly517/smilies/misc/emperor.gif

[Zarparchior]

Some people enjoy failing every time, knowing in the back of your mind you could have won if your team had utilized it's crappy weapons correctly. You are one those rare individuals, it seems.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Post C-E-N-S-R-E-D by the admins

[Zarparchior]

*sigh*

I wish you people didn't post so damn fast. :p
That was for J - Lo. ;)

[SpacemanSpiff]

Delete button! Where is the delete button! :D

[Jarlo]

J-Lo?!


Ok NOW you DIE!!
:sniper: :confused:

[SpacemanSpiff]

Now things are getting... dirty. :p

[TheRegurgitator]

I've had three Vanu run away from me today.

[Intruder]

Originally posted by Jarlo
Zarparchior wrote


I am one of these "dumbasses" who play VS. What you have to realize is not everyone plays vid games to be the most uber l33t superputz in the world. Some of us like a challenge and like to be the underdog.

You like TR because they take the least skill and practice to play. I like VS because it takes alot of work to play them and it is very challenging. Different strokes for different folks.

Edit: spelling sucks


Since when does TR take the least skill to play? maybe if all you play is shooting people, but Every side is more than just who you kill, every side has its hard aspects and its easier aspects.

Man enough of this "this side is for n00bs this side is for 3117 players"

Just understand that each side requieres different kinds of skill, but non are eaiser than any other.

[TheRegurgitator]

Originally posted by DarkDragon00
actually gauss wins up close and cycler from far off. Gauss has to deal with too much recoil to not be an upcloase weapon and the fact that it has more punch. Cycler has the most accurate burst mode ever, it snipes shooting 5-10 rounds if u want!
Absolutely..... WRONG! Ive killed about 30 people far off with the gauss never picked off a single one with the cycler not much damge per shot (Whats wrong with the recoil on the gauss myabe its cuz i fire in bursts) cycler rules at close range and the guass rules at long range PERIOD(.)

[Onizuka]

No, im sorry the gauss ownes long range. It just does.

[shinken]

I HATE Peolpe that think vanu are cowards, HOW THE HELL are they supposed to win in a brawl with inferior weapons, vanu weapons can not compete w/ the other factions, so we have to use a little somthing i like to call....... wait for it........ TACTICS not just running at each other w/ guns blazing, people who win w/ vanu weapons have to use skill to win not just sit and blast away, people haven't stood in nice neat line and shot at each other scence the civil war, so i dont think that people would do that newhere in the future. vanu arn't cowards they have to fight with their guns AND their brains bcuz they cant just spray and pray like the other factions:vsrocks:

[Zanzuke13]

This does seem rather sad argueing the toss about who is weaker and who is stronger, every faction has their strong and weak points. Has anybody ever thought that this could be down to the players actual skill, like hand and eye co-ordination? i play in all 3 empires on different servers and on somedays i kick a$$ and on others i get my A$$ handed to me, i have my good and bad days and im sure others do too, you just have to do the best with what you've got.:)

[WritheNC]

I'm very good with Gauss at far range, and still very good with it at short range. If you're shooting with it close range and you just stop firing for .3 seconds, the CoF drops fast even while you're moving.

And whoever thinks VS players are smarter on average...well that statement is laughable. Most of the players on any side do the same thing when I shoot at them: They turn around, and either crouch and shoot, or run straight at me guns blazing. Nevermind the fact I've only got half my profile exposed because the rest is covered by the crest of a hill, rock or tree.

I'll admit if a VS player wants to get as many kills as an NC or TR, he would need to have a *bit* more skill...but not as much as brains, and they're not much better off in that department imo. We all have idiot players on our side >_<

[Arakiel]

KEKE TEH VS SUXX LIKE TEH OTHER DAY I WAS LIKE "HAHA UR DUM VS NOOB PULSAR OMG LOL WTF" AND HE WAS LIEK "OMG I AM TEH DEAD" LO213L12!!

I'd be thrilled to give in to the "VS players just suck and that's why they're suffering" argument if I felt that either TR or NC was actually laying some sort of skill down that we simply can't fathom.

[Plato]

You forgot the "KThXBYE!@!! HAHAHAHHAHAHA"

I think the TR need a specialised PR dept. to protect us from these guys trying to get us nerfed..

[Tryndamere]

The guass wins v. the cycler at long range, and the Jackhammer wins v. the chaingun at close range.

Hmm.

[Nitsch]

I think there are equal numbers of stupid people in every faction. It's just that some weapons are more idiot proof than others.

It just seems that NC and TR have more idiot proof weapons than Vanu do.

[Arakiel]

Originally posted by Nitsch

It just seems that NC and TR have more idiot proof weapons than Vanu do.

Well said.

[Hellsfire123]

Originally posted by Vex
[BPhoenix=Striker-Even again. Despite the fact the striker has 3 missiles it cannot beat the firepower and accuracy of the phoenix. [/B]

Im sorry, i got to here and i was completly over whelmed with the urge to lash out and hit something. THE STRIKER LOCKS ON. How in gods name could a pheonix be more accurate? "Oh i can shoot it over walls and around corners!" well....i can still dodge pheonix missles easily in my magrider by driving into them and straffing. Try that with a striker and i get 3 missles up my tailpipe.

Again, i appologize for not reading the rest of the thread. The following has probally been stated by atleast a dozen people.

As for TR not being overpowered, why do you think they toned down the max units? Im sure its just becuase they hate the TR, nothing to do with balance.

The server stats show it as well. TR have almost all the daily wins on every server. Dont you find that odd? Could they have some sort of advantage to cause that?

Have you noticed that all the servers have VS has the lowest force? Well...except for the british server...but they always have things backwards ;)

[Arakiel]

I don't feel half as annoyed when I die to a phoenix as compared to a striker death. Why? Because I know the phoenix kill took at least *some* skill. If you can't recognize that the striker takes less skill and is more effective than the phoenix, maybe it's time to actually, you know, TRY the damn weapons.

[Madcow]

The Striker doesn't do that much damage but is good against ground vehicles to be sure. It's all but useless against any pilots who know what they're doing, and it has tons of trouble locking onto MAXs from any sort of distance. It is useless against infantry (a weak Decimator, really).
The Phoenix works against ground vehicles as well but has the added benefit of being very effective against infantry. As a sniper I've had the distinct experience of NC firing those things over hills and up my tailpipe more than a few times after I'd taken a shot and gotten out of 'harms way'.
For good pilots the Striker is most effective by target locking them just to get them to run away to shake the lock. Firing 3 missiles in the general vicinity of the Reaver/Mossy and then putting a late lock on really only works with bad pilots or a heap of luck. The slower ground vehicles are the only things that move slow enough and have a hard enough time shaking the lock to make the Striker effective at all. I can see why drivers would think the Striker doesn't take skill, but that's because it's only effective against them.

[Onizuka]

Originally posted by Nitsch
I think there are equal numbers of stupid people in every faction. It's just that some weapons are more idiot proof than others.

It just seems that NC and TR have more idiot proof weapons than Vanu do.

but your vanu. If you were NC or TR i would give you more credit to what you just said :huh:

[Jarlo]

Yes the Phoenix damages infantry but it is far from effective. It takes 3 of them to kill most infantry-- that is 3 reloads plus standing still and guiding it. You are talking about nearly 30 seconds and a full large ammo box for one stinking infantry!! I hardly call that effective.

Now Lancer is another story, that is very effective against infantry.

[MountainManDX]

The Lancer is an auto sniper rifle, and I have enjoyed it quite a bit. :thumbsup:

[Madcow]

Originally posted by Jarlo
Yes the Phoenix damages infantry but it is far from effective. It takes 3 of them to kill most infantry-- that is 3 reloads plus standing still and guiding it. You are talking about nearly 30 seconds and a full large ammo box for one stinking infantry!! I hardly call that effective.

Now Lancer is another story, that is very effective against infantry.

Lancer takes 3 to kill reinforced as well, but it does have a faster reload rate. With the Phoenix you have the benefit of hiding in relative safety and taking people out. By the way, it's 2 reloads. Considering the bolt driver takes out reinforced in 2 shots I'm not sure why 3 with the Phoenix is a bad deal.