*sigh* Still havent seen Matrix 2... [Archive]

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 04:04 PM

I'm sorry im not cool cause i dont use illegal narcotics. Marijuana is just fucking stupid, and if you use it, your just as fucking stupid.

First of all i dont know where the fuk you come off suggesting that i think using 'illegal narcotics' makes you cool. That was presumptuous and a ignorant diversion from the fact that your being narrow minded.

Saying that marijuana is "fucking stupid" is not only narrow minded, it proves your intellegence level by giving it human traits. What research have you done on the topic Squeeky? Have you looked up any independent professional research on the subject of marijuana, its effects on consumers, and its relation to the "gateway effect"?

If you did, you might be suprised.

Finally, calling me "fucking stupid" because i use marijuana shows your plain and simply an ignorant victom who likes to throw around judgements on shit your too stupid/uninformed to understand. Based on my SAT (1410) scores, my ASVAB QT score (99), and the college i attend (University of Maryland Baltimore County Honors College).... id say i have a pretty good chance of being smarter than you.

Ive never liked you. Thats a fact. When i wrote my 70% (average) review of PS and what could be done to improve it.. you acted like an ass-hat fanboy and told me i was being "stupid" and i shodnt be on a fan site if i dont like the game.

Now your insulting me based on something your completely ignorant about.

Heres an idea.. you might be a part of the PSU staff, but your no more intellegent than anyone else. In fact, your behavior proves quite the opposite. Why dont you stop being an ass hole and let people talk about what they want. Im not hurting anyone.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:06 PM

Ouch..

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 04:09 PM

Forget it. Obviously ive stirred up a bee nest here. I didnt realize a medical classification level 4 drug was such a touchy topic here. Ill go back to quoting the bible.

I tried making a simple joke about Matrix 2 and how i havent seen it yet and how i wasnted to see it high. I then asked for advice on how to roll a blunt because my best friend is out of town.

I dont know where the hell you idiots get off saying im "trying to look cool". Bunch of presuptuous, narrow minded, ignorant, ass holes. Thats all you are.

Squeek. Its cool that you like getting off on your "high morals". Im glad YOU think it makes YOU look cool. Im also glad the sycophants here support you so much. Your like a "god of narrow mindedness" to them. A "diety of ignorance on topic you dont understand".

[edit] One more thing Squeek. Would you care to explain how this forum started off innocent with a few guys having fun. It even sparked a small debate on Matrix 2. Then, all of a sudden, you pop into the thread with your "higher morals" ignorant self and suddenly the thread turns into a flame fest.

Maybe you should just stay the fuk you of topic you dont like or dont understand.

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon
Heres an idea.. you might be a part of the PSU staff, but your no more intellegent than anyone else. In fact, your behavior proves quite the opposite. Why dont you stop being an ass hole and let people talk about what they want. Im not hurting anyone.

....
Then you said something about it being used in medicine, didn't feel like quoting it.

Unfortunatly I have to step in and say we're not going to talk about marijuana in these forums. There are a ton of other places to talk about them, I'm sure, but this is not one of those places.

If you don't like squeeky, take it to PM's.

I agree it can be used in medicine with great results, but what you're doing is not for medicinal purposes, so you can't use that excuse here.

For some unknown level of kindness I have running right now I won't lock this thread, but I promise you I can and will lock it faster than you've ever seen if it gets much worse than this.

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 04:12 PM

Jesus....u didnt......u couldnt.......u did.......How could u say that to Squeek,man he's gonna flame your ass soo bad now,my guess is all of PSU staff will,next im guessing your banned just cause no one likes you,im done for now,ill let Squeek and the admins deal with your ass

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:12 PM

Calm down ladies. ;)

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
Jesus....u didnt......u couldnt.......u did.......How could u say that to Squeek,man he's gonna flame your ass soo bad now,my guess is all of PSU staff will,next im guessing your banned just cause no one likes you,im done for now,ill let Squeek and the admins deal with your ass

We don't ban unless you break a rule of this forum. Seriously break it.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:13 PM

There has to be a rule he broke....:eek:

Onizuka

2003-06-09, 04:14 PM

Squeeky is awesome and he makes a point. Look, there are no NO comebacks to being pinned down about doing something illegal over and over again.
Marijuana is stupid and you think it isnt which is why i just feel bad for you.

This makes me really proud of myself, because i know ive made good choices in life, and however corny that may sound, its one of the most important things in the world to me.

Thank you strygun for not locking this thread and no i havent seen matrix reloaded and dont plan to.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:15 PM

*Waits for Squeeky to reply*

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
There has to be a rule he broke....:eek:

I could possibly get him for trolling, but if I did that I'd have to get squeeky too.

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 04:17 PM

Sounds good to me

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:18 PM

Ouch for Squeeky.

I don't indulge, but if others do, I really have no problem with it. Your body chemistry, not mine. I prefer to keep my mind in as good of a condition I can, it's saved my ass from my luck many times. I easily could have died several times in my life had my reflexes and reactions been a little off. But, if you want your's blunted, ignorance is bliss, even if it only lasts a few hours.Do what you want, and I'll go about my business, I think no less of anyone for using drugs.

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 04:22 PM

This makes me really proud of myself, because i know ive made good choices in life, and however corny that may sound, its one of the most important things in the world to me.

Thats fine dood. I have no problem with what YOU do with YOUR life. Me smoking marijuana, however, has NO effect on you. It has NO effect on anyone. The only person it affects is... ME.

Recently in Maryland they passed a law saying you HAVE to wear your seatbelt. Cops can/will pull you over and ticket you $50 for not wearing a seatbelt. The law is, at the very least, unconstitutional and, at most, a total infringement on personal freedom. Not wearing your seatbelt only hurts yourself, no one else.

I wear my seatbelt. I feel it makes me safer while driving. However, if i saw somene who DIDNT wear their seatbelt i would NOT belittle them in the manner Squeeky belittled me.

Sure, not wearing a seatbelt might be dangerous to your health. Its also illegal (in maryland). That doesnt make me turn into a narrow minded, judgemental, ass hole to people who dont wear their seatbelt.

Marijuana is a decade away from being legalized in the US. If you dont believe me your not paying attention to medical forums and the independed party strengths that are gaining attention by both primary paries. Your also not paying attention to global events relating to lawmaking.

What will you be saying in 10 years when the government declares it legal? Will you suddenly go "Well, i guess its not stupid. It must be ok if the government says so".

THAT is why i call you ignorant and narrowminded. THAT is why i call you a victom of the DARE program propaganda. You think what people tell you to think.

You know what DARE stands for? It means dont DARE form your own educated opinion.

Im so glad Squeeky, and his other fanboys, are championing that slogan.

[EDIT]

I don't indulge, but if others do, I really have no problem with it. Your body chemistry, not mine. I prefer to keep my mind in as good of a condition I can, it's saved my ass from my luck many times. I easily could have died several times in my life had my reflexes and reactions been a little off. But, if you want your's blunted, ignorance is bliss, even if it only lasts a few hours.Do what you want, and I'll go about my business, I think no less of anyone for using drugs.

Congrats, Neo. Youve proven yourself to be an educated, fair minded person. You understand why you want, you do what you want. You dont judge people because they make decisions that differ from yours that only effect themselves. I salute you.

Jarlo

2003-06-09, 04:22 PM

Yes I am a doctor and Yes I have seen Marijuana ruin lives and families.

It is addictive and very damaging to brain and lung-- stay away from it!

(Alcohol is harmful too, but this thread is about weed not booze)

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:24 PM

Lol, DARE did not work on you. :rolleyes:

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:26 PM

No offense, TekDragon, but DAMN you're long-winded when you rant.

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:26 PM

I wish I could go off in this thread and make my points and such, but that's not what PSU staff does.

We just step in when things get out of hand...

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by Strygun
We just step in when things get out of hand... That may be soon. Nearly everyone's a zealot in this kind of subject.

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by NeoTassadar
That may be soon. Nearly everyone's a zealot in this kind of subject.

indeed. As you can see I am watching this thread closely.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by Strygun
I wish I could go off in this thread and make my points and such, but that's not what PSU staff does.

We just step in when things get out of hand...

Please do. :D Just because you are l33t PSU staff does not mean you can't express your opinion. Does it? :cool:

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
Please do. :D Just because you are l33t PSU staff does not mean you can't express your opinion. Does it? :cool:

No, I can do what I want (as long as I follow rules), but it would not put the PSU Staff in a good light. We have to be the, for lack of a better word, grownups around here ;)

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 04:33 PM

I didn't reply because i made my point, and Strygun made every point i would have made in my reply. i think i might grow to like him :scared:

As for TekDragon, i made my point, and you are babbling about things other than the issue at hand. Can marijuana be used for medicinal purposes? Yes. Do i think its morally correct? Yes, to a certain extent. When under a doctors care, marijuana can help relieve serious pains, and make khemo thertapy (sp?) for cancer patients much easier. But for leasure use and just using it to get high, is fucking stupid. It is, really.

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Strygun
No, I can do what I want (as long as I follow rules), but it would not put the PSU Staff in a good light. We have to be the, for lack of a better word, grownups around here ;) Neutral mediators?

Strygun

2003-06-09, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by NeoTassadar
Neutral mediators?

indeed

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 04:36 PM

No offense, TekDragon, but DAMN you're long-winded when you rant.

I know, i get embarassed about it sometimes but i cant help it. I used to write political editorials for the college newspaper.

Lol, DARE did not work on you.

Yes it did. It worked for 3 years. Then i decided to do my own research online. What i discovered shocked me. I was dubious, so i decided to do a SMALL amount of experiemntation. My grades stayed the same. Homework, classwork, tests, and projects didnt get any harder in school (in fact my homework and project grades went up).

Finally, i decided "What the hell" and went all out my senior year of highschool. Smoked 2-3 times a week with my best friends. We didnt do it to be cool. We did it because we liked it. That fall i got a 1420 on my SAT.

Yes I am a doctor and Yes I have seen Marijuana ruin lives and families.

It is addictive and very damaging to brain and lung-- stay away from it!

You, sir, are not a doctor. Doctors know not to make medical judgements on things they dont have hard proof on. The medical society has had the marijuana topic up in the air for years. Thats why its a level 4 drug and not a level 5.

Balanced, independent (as in, not payroll dependent on the government) research has shown NO signs that ANY brain damage results from marijuana usage. The most that occurs is a short (6-10 hours long) reduction in the passage of short term to long term memory.

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon
I know, i get embarassed about it sometimes but i cant help it. I used to write political editorials for the college newspaper. Ah, it's your job to be long-winded.

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 04:38 PM

Marijuana is an addictive controlled substance. It is dangerous, i would never try it. How ignorant can you be to say marijuana is ok to use for leasurly purposes. It's a drug, drug's are meant to be prescribed by doctors and not abused. What you are doing is abusing a controlled substance. It's illegal, and immoral.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
I didn't reply because i made my point, and Strygun made every point i would have made in my reply. i think i might grow to like him :scared:

As for TekDragon, i made my point, and you are babbling about things other than the issue at hand. Can marijuana be used for medicinal purposes? Yes. Do i think its morally correct? Yes, to a certain extent. When under a doctors care, marijuana can help relieve serious pains, and make khemo thertapy (sp?) for cancer patients much easier. But for leasure use and just using it to get high, is fucking stupid. It is, really.

Squeekys a very smart man. :)

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
Squeekys a very smart man. :)

:love:

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:45 PM

Look, none of you are going to change anyone's mind. I've never seen it happen over a forum before, and I don't think it will happen now. If it's working for you, and not harming others around you, keep doing what you are, only the (I'm blanking right now, sorry for low vocab on this one) "nosy" people will care. Agree to disagree on this one.
Let's try to steer this back to the Matrix.

r3d

2003-06-09, 04:46 PM

I totatly agree with squeeky and strygun.
PSU cleartly isent the place to be talking about pot.
Its this simple guys, you smoke or you dont, you dont really have to go telling us exaclty how you smoke.And there are a lot of little kids around the fourms.
Please guys, stfu.

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 04:47 PM

I have strong feelings on the subject, and im having fun proving him wrong. I say we continue and keep it civil :p

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:50 PM

Lol, Yes lets continue. ;)

NeoTassadar

2003-06-09, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
im having fun proving him wrong. *snicker*
Sorry.

Powerflux

2003-06-09, 04:54 PM

This thread needs some major :love:

Prowler

2003-06-09, 04:57 PM

I think we all learned a valuable lesson from this. Drugs are bad. Now let's all hold hands and spread :love:

Khronos

2003-06-09, 04:58 PM

ph33l da lub!

:love:

Prowler

2003-06-09, 05:00 PM

Khron I need a sig :love:

Powerflux

2003-06-09, 05:01 PM

You have a sig... and its a damn good one too may I add. :thumbsup:

Prowler

2003-06-09, 05:02 PM

Lol, Thx 1024 did this one,outgrowing it though. :(

�io

2003-06-09, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon
... cause im still waiting for my buddy to hook me up with a quarter (herb, not shrooms).

I refuse to see that movie until im sufficiently stoned.

http://bohica.planetside-universe.com/images/forumImages/who_fn_cares.jpg

Powerflux

2003-06-09, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by �io
http://bohica.planetside-universe.com/images/forumImages/who_fn_cares.jpg

:love:

Khronos

2003-06-09, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
Lol, Thx 1024 did this one,outgrowing it though. :(

already?! hehe
ill see what i can do.
:-D
PM me with details if you want somthin specific.
:love:

Prowler

2003-06-09, 05:05 PM

I love you. :love:

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
Marijuana is an addictive controlled substance.
It is not addictive infact most of the people i know who do it only do it once monthly. I never have the urge only like every 2-3 months.

It is dangerous, i would never try it. How ignorant can you be to say marijuana is ok to use for leasurly purposes.

less dangerous then ciggaretes (if you use a filter) and alcohol is 3x worse. How can YOU be so ignorant to be so closed minded. Alcohol results in hangovers, liver problems, vomiting. You can never OD on marijuna. period. Mommy says its wrong so that makes it so :rolleyes:

It's a drug, drug's are meant to be prescribed by doctors and not abused. What you are doing is abusing a controlled substance. It's illegal, and immoral.

Illegal? Yes. Immoral? How?

NightWalker XI

2003-06-09, 05:12 PM

Originally posted by Civilian
You will need to be stoned to find that movie entertaining. What a dissapointment.

So true..

SPOILERS

The fight scenes were too long and that sex scene was just pointless

Onizuka

2003-06-09, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon
Thats fine dood. I have no problem with what YOU do with YOUR life. Me smoking marijuana, however, has NO effect on you. It has NO effect on anyone. The only person it affects is... ME.

thats what id expect cause thats what a lot of drug users say, but in reality its false. The millions of people who do do drugs affect A LOT more people then just themselves. You really need to realize this

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Onizuka
thats what id expect cause thats what a lot of drug users say, but in reality its false. The millions of people who do do drugs affect A LOT more people then just themselves. You really need to realize this

I kinda agree. But its kind of half and half. 50% of people who smoke do it out of depression id say the other half is just wanting to fit in or just really enjoy it. (based on what ive seen btw). And the ones i knew out of depression no one cared about them anyways so i dont think they were affecting anyone but themselves.

I do think it affects idiots who smoke and drive which is pure stupidity. (but i dont think many do)

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 05:30 PM

1/3 do.....

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by firecrackerNC
1/3 do.....

do what? smoke and drive?

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 05:40 PM

yes,1/3 car accidents the driver had weed in him

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 05:41 PM

Oh well yea there dumbasses i wont defend them

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 05:42 PM

im not saying weeds totally wrong,i smoke every once in awhile but I also sorta hate it,its ruined too many of my friends lives,i just cant seem to get addicted

BladeRunner

2003-06-09, 06:36 PM

This is your "I am smarter than you" statement:

Based on my SAT (1410) scores..

This is your "I am smarter than you" statement on drugs:

That fall i got a 1420 on my SAT.

For a guy who likes to say how being close minded is wrong, you sure seem to whip out your standardized test score a lot. Down boy.

I guess I could go on about how much of an ass you are, TekDragon, but I tried that in another thread and it didn't work.. So I'll just go with the "don't feed the trolls" idea.

/flame on

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 07:01 PM

I have strong feelings on the subject, and im having fun proving him wrong. I say we continue and keep it civil

You ignorant, small minded child. Who have you proved wrong? You have quoted NO scientific research, NO medical journals, NOTHING. All you have is your ignorant opinion and your lamer fanboys who have nothing to add to the topic but like to smooch your ass cause you have "PSU Staff" under your name and it gives them some reflected glory to defend your sorry ass.

All you have said is "Marijuana is stupid. Your stupid. I dont smoke. Im cool" If you think that proves ANYTHING... your right. It proves you have the mentality of a KKK member. Prejudiced, close minded, uneducated, and willing to form an opinion without any education.

You have completely ignored my posts. You dont even acknowledge any of it. I said in a half sentence of a small joke that marijuana is a medical classification level 4 drug. You took that and ran with it. Ran with it in a completely fuked up direction. Spouting off BS like "Oh, i agree its good for medical but leisure use is wrong"

First, I never said anyhting about medical use. Thats your BS way of moving the spot light away from the fact that your a close minded bigot .
Two, what right do you have to tell people what they can do in their leisure time? If I want to go on my back porch with my GF or buddies and pass a blunt, who the FUCK are you to tell me im "wrong". Who the fuk made you God Squeeky? You fucking bigot. People like you make me sick. You have NO education on a subject and yet you form an opinion and swing it around like a bat. You ignorant child.

You keep taking the high moral road Squeeky. The fact is you came on this thread to flame me for something you know nothing about. You flamed me, called me stupid, insinuated anyone that smokes marijuana in their leisure time is stupid, and then tried taking the moral high ground.

You are nothing but an ignorant, prejudiced, bigot. I hope to god your not like that in the real world. Shoving your prejudices and ignorant opinions in other people's faces is a SURE way to get a black eye in real life.

Im through with you, child.

For a guy who likes to say how being close minded is wrong, you sure seem to whip out your standardized test score a lot. Down boy.

You are a hypocrite. Period. Squeeky started off this entire flame fest by insulting my intellegence. Then when I defend my intellegence, you flame me for defending it. Again, you are a hypocrite.

I guess I could go on about how much of an ass you are, TekDragon, but I tried that in another thread and it didn't work

Maybe thats because you never have an opinion worth stating? You dont stay on the topic, you have nothing to contribute to a topic. All you have is your ability to form a one-sided opinion on someone and then form a flame that adresses none of the main topic, but you still think it makes you look cool. Congratulations, youve proven yourself equal to most elementary school children. Heres a cookie.

Squeeky may be a ignorant bigot, but at least he knows how to keep on the topic.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 07:08 PM

Oh god.......

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 07:21 PM

yes,1/3 car accidents the driver had weed in him

Where did you get this from? I have NEVER heard ANYTHING at ALL that even remotely backs this up.

Im 99.9999% certain you just made that up. In fact, id be willing to lay down a few grand that you just made that up (or some other ignoramus made it up and your quoting him).

I imagine 5-10% of total car accidents have possesion involved. Probably less.

Lemme give you a fact i DO know. You can look it up and verify (or let me look it up later if you doubt me). Independent researchers made a 200 some point test on driving. Each point covered something small.. like "staying 3 car lengths minimum behind car in front".

People who were completely clean did on average 78% of everything right.

People who were drunk did on average around 35% of everything right.

People who were high (i think the test was 1.5 grams of medical grade if i remember correctly) 76.5% of everything right.

The numbers may have been slightly higher or lower but the margin of difference between being high, and being completely clean was ONLY 1.5% difference.

This reseatch was done by a recognized scientific department and the results have been noted by medical journals and governments world-wide.

Oh.. im sorry.. does that shit all over your DARE propaganda BS? Im sorry.

How about next you post something about the "gate-way syndrome". Ill have a good ol' time showing research on that lovely topic.

firecrackerNC

2003-06-09, 07:29 PM

lol dude ok I read it somewhere,during health class,quit acting like an ass,and seriously i think your making up your shit,if i was high i for one would not be driving a car more then 5 minutes without crashing so stfu,your info is bogus so just shut up already

Powerflux

2003-06-09, 07:33 PM

This thread now sucks.
http://general.masterlock.com/images/gsl_hasps_image.jpg

Hamma

2003-06-09, 07:37 PM

This thread sucks.

But anyway, this is the lounge. Talk about whatever the hell you want as long as it doesent involve warez and posting porn.

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 07:53 PM

lol dude ok I read it somewhere,during health class

Tell me, who sets the carriculum for health classes? Could it possibly be the same people who fund the DARE program? *GASP*

Let me explain something to you. There is a small part of the government that is in charge of the drug war. They realized years ago that it was a loosing battle. Why? Because a great many people can think for themselves. They dont bend over and take anything the government says up the ass the way some people do (Squeeky).

Heres some things you should think about:

--Every peice of research quoted in your health class and in the DARE program was from research installations that were funded and monitored by the government.
--Those researchers who found results that did NOT support the program's view on marijuana had their funding axed and their staff fired.
--The research that was given to the government as fuel for the propaganda known as DARE was so skewed and off base it was rediculed in medical journals for years. The methodology and tests they used were ludicrous and self-serving.
--Independent research done by internationall recognized research installations has show the followinig:
1. "gate-way" syndrome from using marijuana is non-existant. Reasons for using harder drugs had nothing to do with marijuana and reflected completely on the person.
2. NO long term mental side effects were proven
3. The ONLY long term side effect proven was the unhealthiness of smoking and its leading towards lung cancer. Heavy marijuana use, however, was proven to be much less harmful to your lungs than heavy cigarette use (half a pack a day or more).
4. No conclusive evidence of impairment of decision making processes. If you arent likely to have sex without a condom under normal conditions, your not likely to have sex without a condom while high.
5. Short term negative effects were as followed: minor discomfort in throat area from inhalation of smoke; short term (6-12 hours) of slight impairement of transition from short term to long term memory.

Read those over. Think about it. Then go on the internet and read about what lawmakers around the world have been deciding on marijuana use. 95% of the trends have moved toward relaxed laws on possesion and usage.

England and USA are two of the most hard lines against marijuana use. However, England has recently passed legislature allowing possesion and California has had lawmakers busy for the past several years.

Once California does it, everyone else follows suit. In a dozen years, most likely half that... possesion WILL be legal. You can quote me on that.

Id like to see what prejudice bigots like Squeeky have to say when "daddy government" tells them its morally ok. It must be easy to live life like you Squeeky: Not thinking, not learning, just forming opinions based on ignorance and swinging your prejudices around like a bat.

This thread now sucks.

Im sorry PowerFlux, your right. It was irresponcible to use words containing more than 2 syllabels without putting a warning sign up for you. Im sorry if i caused you any un-due stress.
Seriously though, if you dont like the topic.. and you dont have anything intellegent to post on the topic (either pro or con), then why post? You trying to prove how cool you are?

�io

2003-06-09, 08:48 PM

Hey Tekn00b

http://bohica.planetside-universe.com/images/forumImages/postsignstopposting.jpg

Please go back to trolling on the OF, this is a friendly community, if you can't deal with that and just HAVE to insult people in each post then get outta here. I don't care how much you disagree with someone or think they aren't as l33t as you comparing someone to a KKK psycho is just fucking wrong man.

Powerflux

2003-06-09, 08:56 PM

:rofl: ns �io.

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 09:23 PM

*looks at powerfluxe's initial post*
*looks at Dio's posts*
*looks at powerfluxe's post*

Meh, i dont even need to bother. Its already been proven.

Prowler

2003-06-09, 09:28 PM

Dio, owned you bad. :nono:

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 09:33 PM

Oh yes, Dio owned me very bad. Lets see:

He came onto a thread he didnt like. He didnt bother thinking up anything remotely resembling an intellegent point/couterpoint. He decided the thread needed his judgement. He flamed me. He put up a picture he collected in his years of immature, juvenile forum flaming. He left, still without offering anything remotely resembling an intellegent point/counterpoint.

While you call it "owning" i call it "acting like an immature child".

Hell, you can read the last few posts and it proves it. Powerflux puts up a retarded picture and doesnt contribute anything to the thread. I put him in his place. Dio, his juvinile hero, comes on and puts up an even more "owned" picture. Powerflux follows with a smiley icon followed by 2 words showing his happiness that someone helped him out.

Its like the retards of the forum have banned together to protect themselves from having to refute any point.

Congratulations: youve all proved yourselves to be immature juveniles! Heres a cookie.

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 09:37 PM

Just to put it in perspective.. the last person (other than me) that offered up something that resembled a point/counterpoint on the topic was.... 16 posts ago by FireCracker.

The rest of you are just mindless drones that want to prove the size of your forum penis by flaming and passing your infantile judgements on a thread topic you dont have the brainpower to devate.

Again, congratulations.

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 09:44 PM

Holy shit, i shoulda skipped the movie and owned this guy some more. If your convinced people stick up for me and agree with me because i have PSU Staff under my name, go to poll debate forums and watch people disagree with nav and vicchio. I get dis-agreed with all the time, the fact is, you got owned sir and you cant admit it. Now if you wish to flame me, do that in PM so i can look at who sent it and promptly print it out so i can wipe my ass with it :)

Prowler

2003-06-09, 09:45 PM

I'm a Squeeky Fanboy w00t!!!! ;)

Khronos

2003-06-09, 09:51 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
Now if you wish to flame me, do that in PM so i can look at who sent it and promptly print it out so i can wipe my ass with it :)

Kelso from That 70's Show
oooh Buuuuurn!!

But my opinion is that i dont care about people smoking marijuana or doing drugs on their own time, as long as they aren't doing it around me (or other people) or doing things that could harm others while under the influence. (ex. driving)
Your body and if you're only harming yourself thats your problem not mine.

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
Holy shit, i shoulda skipped the movie and owned this guy some more. If your convinced people stick up for me and agree with me because i have PSU Staff under my name, go to poll debate forums and watch people disagree with nav and vicchio. I get dis-agreed with all the time, the fact is, you got owned sir and you cant admit it. Now if you wish to flame me, do that in PM so i can look at who sent it and promptly print it out so i can wipe my ass with it :)

You still havent replied to my post, id like you to defend what i said against your POV

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by Yuyi
You still havent replied to my post, id like you to defend what i said against your POV

:O_O:

I'm done with this thread.

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 10:09 PM

:rolleyes:

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 10:17 PM

Holy shit, i shoulda skipped the movie and owned this guy some more.

Ok... *deep breath* maybe what we have here is a failure to communicate.

When you say "owned this guy some more" are you referring to

1. Disproving my point in a logical thought out way that refutes the points i have made?

or

2. Acting like the class jerk in middle school?

So far ive seen a whole lot of the latter ("Weed is stupid. Your stupid. Im cool") and... none of the former.

Thats fine Squeeky. If your idea of "owning" is the same as Dio's, Powerfluxe's, Prowler, and BladeRunner... then more power to you. If acting like a juvinile and insulting people while ignoring the topic is your way of "winning an argument" then FINE. Do me a favor, dont come into any more of my threads.

God knows ill stay out of yours.

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 10:18 PM

Maybe you missed my previous post, i said what i had to say. Go back and read it.

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 10:27 PM

I read it and i broke it down, if you saw my posts. Your posts basically have no back up exept its illegal and that makes it wrong.

ZionsFire

2003-06-09, 10:30 PM

This is one of the worst threads i have ever seen.........no wait it
is the worst thread i have ever seen:p

WildEagle

2003-06-09, 10:32 PM

I concur

Onizuka

2003-06-09, 11:00 PM

Tek dragon, you talk too much. And im suprised your even literate when you speak, a) because the drugs have screwed up your brain so bad and we can obviously see that and b) the white stuff stuck to the lining of you nose is falling in your mouth and jamming your vocal cords.

Listen i dont give a damn what immoral stuff you do, yes i believe its immoral. What i do give a damn about is that you say it doenst affect anyone else. thats bs and you should know it.

When that person who doesnt where a seatbelt dies, think of what their family goes through. think of other people than yourself and your facts (blah i got this on the sat blah blah nipple blah why dont you say any facts wheres your backup blah blah blah). You dont know what ive gone through and the people who have been screwed up because of drugs. Fine if the gov. makes marijuana legal, they do it. It would be a bad idea though.

Your too naive and when you stop being naive is the day you will stop doing drugs.

No i dont think your a bad person or a crazed depressed phsyco, but i do think what your doing is and can affect other people.

I dont care what freakin medical benefits it has because if it is used the wrong way, they are all screwed.

Im a little pissed off by your whole arguement and your whole approach to even doing drugs. I dont care what you do to yourself, but i do care that your making an arguement that generally says, "drugs are okay, they are actually good for me. I do tons of Marijuana and my grades keep going up and up. Im not affecting anyone, if anything im helping society by showing that drugs are not bad"

Again, please realize what your saying and i hope you will stop (which i dont think that will happen but oh well) :)

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 11:02 PM

Onizuka! Quiet, you can't agree with me, or else you will be a fanboy! :lol: (joking for people who dont know)

Onizuka

2003-06-09, 11:10 PM

No, stop im going into the land of hamma fanboyism and there is no coming back ahhhhh.

Oh so you have the same or nearly same views as me on this subject eh hamma?

Dyganth

2003-06-09, 11:16 PM

It's a sorry soul that needs to get high to enjoy something, add to that research has shown the same risks of smoking weed as smoking cigarettes, so when you get cancer, all I can say is that you deserved it.

Khronos

2003-06-09, 11:22 PM

sry i just have to do this

http://www.angelfire.com/vamp/ukrmy/midget.jpg

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 11:39 PM

Onizuka, thank you.

Where Dio and Powerflux failed through mindless flaming and juvenile thread judgement.. where Squeeky failed through narrowminded bigotry... you have managed to make an intellegent post.

It dropped into flames quite often.. but im guilty of the same and connot judge. I will pick out the intellegent counterpoints and attempt to respond.

My only request is that you read all of my responce with an open mind. Then respond to any points you believe are falicious.

When that person who doesnt where a seatbelt dies, think of what their family goes through.

Here, i belive, you are making a fallacy. You are relating a death to marijuana use. Quite simply, it is impossible to overdose (OD) on marijuana. That is one of the primary reasons it is a level 4 drug. The other reason, Onizuka, is that the addictiveness of marijuana has never been proven. Almost all independent studies have shown that their is NO physical addiction. The only addiction is psychological.. the same way people are addicted to good food and great sex.

Your plea for pity for the families is a good one, but its off base. Why would a family suffer because a brother or sister or teenage child used marijuana? There is only one logical reason: They would suffer because of the police supression.

That brings me straight back to the orginal point i made. People, like you, have the mindset that using marijuana is 'dangerous'. The ONLY reason marijuana is dangerous is because the government MAKES it dangerous. I wont go into how much of your taxes go into inefectual rehab (for marijuana patients, i do not doubt the necesity of coke/heroin rehabilitation) and jail cells for marijuana users. All of that despite the stunning lack of proof that it is dangerous.

Yes. My family may cry because I use marijuana. They will NOT cry because it has hurt me directly. They will cry because the government punished me for it. Think on that for a moment please.

You dont know what ive gone through and the people who have been screwed up because of drugs.

Can you honestly say it was for marijuana use? I, too, have friends that were marijuana users that got, as you put it, 'screwed up'. However, it was not from the marijuana. It was from the shrooms, the LSD, the acid, the E. These drugs DO affect the brain. They DO cause permanent damage. Those were what 'screwed up' those people i once considered my friends.

Unlike the government, however, and unlike you.. i do not lump it all together. I could easily say that breathing oxygen caused my friend to spiral down. After all, he did breathe oxygen, you cannot deny it. I recognize the drugs that did him harm. I choose not to use these drugs for the same reason. I refuse to lump marijuana into the same classification just because some ignorant politicians 20 years ago decided to lump it in with cocaine and heroin (and only through years of medical studies has it been moved away).

I dont care what freakin medical benefits it has because if it is used the wrong way, they are all screwed.

I think were having a misconception. When i mention "medical studies" im not talking about medical studies related to medicinal use of marijuana. Im talking about medical studies that show that marijuana does NOT have permanent (mental) side effects.

I encourage you to do some independent research on the topic. You will find research from such high profile institutions as John Hopkins and Harvard Medical, just to name some of the high profile US ones.

Using cocaine screws you up. Yes. Using heroin screws you up. Acid. Yes. Exstacy. Yes. LSD. Yes.

Marijuana. No.

Dont take my word for it. Take the international medical communitys'. Please.

Im a little pissed off by your whole arguement and your whole approach to even doing drugs. I dont care what you do to yourself, but i do care that your making an arguement that generally says, "drugs are okay, they are actually good for me. I do tons of Marijuana and my grades keep going up and up. Im not affecting anyone, if anything im helping society by showing that drugs are not bad"

I staged my information in the wrong way. I apologize if what i said guided you to the wrong conclusions. I never meant to say smoking marijuana in high school improved my grades. I was already an 'A' student. The one thing i did say that i meant was that my homework and project grades improved.

Its hard to explain to a non-smoker. When your high.. you get a different perspective. You accept things easier. If you have a project you dont like... getting high helps you accept it. If you did 5 pages of homework and feel like you cant do anymore... getting high gives you an "might as well" perspective that lets you do it.

Some people like to point fingers at marijuana users that fail their classes. They fail to notice that those same students were failing before they smoked.

Smoking marijuana neither hinders nor helps your intellegence. It merely changes your perspective. In my life, it has helped me numerous times. It gave me the willpower to finish key assignments. It gave me the patience to avoid getting in several unpleasent situations in my life that i would have, otherwise, gotten into if i had been more quick tempered. It also, in my very first female relationship, gave me the patience to give instead of focus on recieving... the result of which landed me a loving girlfriend.

You see all that, and you may think im being pompous. Im not. Its all true.

Ill tell you this though. I do get scared. I get very scared. I dont get scared of losing my brain... no. I dont get scared of losing my judgement... no. I get scared that "the man" is going to arrest me and ruin my life for my personal choice to smoke marijuana.

That, Onizuka, is why I support legalization. That, is why i oppose ignorance and prejudice on the topic of marijuana, its affects, and its legal status.

I eagerly await your reply (and anyone else who has any comments pro/con). Please keep it rational and logical, thanks.

:)

Squeeky

2003-06-09, 11:41 PM

That is not a post, it is a book. Get it published pronto

TekDragon

2003-06-09, 11:46 PM

:(

That is not a post, it is a book. Get it published pronto

Please read it Squeeky?

Just once.. in this entire 100+ post thread... just once id like you to respond in an intellegent way. Pick any of the points i made, just one, or 2, or all of them. Take the point, analyze it, listen to what i stated.. and reply.

Youve flamed me, insulted me, and sparked a series of other flames. All I ask is that you, for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

BladeRunner

2003-06-09, 11:51 PM

http://members.cox.net/jessej/tekdragon.gif

Yuyi

2003-06-09, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon

Just once.. in this entire 100+ post thread... just once id like you to respond in an intellegent way. Pick any of the points i made, just one, or 2, or all of them. Take the point, analyze it, listen to what i stated.. and reply.

Youve flamed me, insulted me, and sparked a series of other flames. All I ask is that you, for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by BladeRunner
http://members.cox.net/jessej/tekdragon.gif

:eek: :jawdrop: ;)

Dyganth

2003-06-10, 12:43 AM

Quite simply, it is impossible to overdose (OD) on marijuana.

Would you not asphyxiate if all you inaled was the smoke from burning marijuana? I would call that an overdose...

I, too, have friends that were marijuana users that got, as you put it, 'screwed up'. However, it was not from the marijuana. It was from the shrooms, the LSD, the acid, the E. These drugs DO affect the brain. They DO cause permanent damage.

So you're saying marijuana doesn't affect the brain, yet you state later that it changes your perspective (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=perspective)(note definition b.) on things, I find it hard to believe that your perspective on things can change without some change in the mind, feel free to prove otherwise, or tell me I read it wrong.

You say it has helped you many times as well, but that just shows you have to hide your flaws with drugs and are afraid of being yourself, you're only hurting yourself in the long run.

ZionsFire

2003-06-10, 12:51 AM

riiggghhhtttt:confused: TekDragon makes me:furious:

ZionsFire

2003-06-10, 12:52 AM

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA *takes breath*MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA me laughs at TekDragon :lol:

Happy lil Elf

2003-06-10, 01:08 AM

Tek in another flame war. Why am I not suprised? :sick:

Anyway, yes smoking pot is illegal. Whether it's moral or not will depend entirely upon who you ask since pot smoking really doesn't fall into the black and white part of right and wrong.

NeoTassadar

2003-06-10, 01:30 AM

Whoa, this thread got farther than I thought. I was usre it was going to be locked in ten minutes.
Originally posted by firecrackerNC
yes,1/3 car accidents the driver had weed in him Anyway, just saw this and had to comment. Propoganda. They fail to mention everything else in their sytems, don't they? That's also 1/3 accidents had weed involved (such as in the car), not necessarily in either of the guys' systems. 1/3 is also slightly rounded up, but that's not a big thing. Not advertising pot or anything, read my previous posts. I'm objective in this subject. I've seen the bad side of it in people, and I know many people who it has little affect on their lives long-term other than drain their money.

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 01:44 AM

Originally posted by TekDragon
Youve flamed me, insulted me, and sparked a series of other flames. All I ask is that you, for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

Hypocricy at it's best. Pot. Kettle. Black. YES!

Originally posted by TekDragon

where Squeeky failed through narrowminded bigotry

Originally posted by TekDragon
They dont bend over and take anything the government says up the ass the way some people do (Squeeky).

Originally posted by TekDragon
Id like to see what prejudice bigots like Squeeky have to say when "daddy government" tells them its morally ok. It must be easy to live life like you Squeeky: Not thinking, not learning, just forming opinions based on ignorance and swinging your prejudices around like a bat.

Originally posted by TekDragon
Who the fuk made you God Squeeky? You fucking bigot. People like you make me sick. You have NO education on a subject and yet you form an opinion and swing it around like a bat. You ignorant child.

Originally posted by TekDragon

You keep taking the high moral road Squeeky. The fact is you came on this thread to flame me for something you know nothing about. You flamed me, called me stupid, insinuated anyone that smokes marijuana in their leisure time is stupid, and then tried taking the moral high ground.

Originally posted by TekDragon
You are a hypocrite. Period. Squeeky started off this entire flame fest by insulting my intellegence. Then when I defend my intellegence, you flame me for defending it. Again, you are a hypocrite.

Originally posted by TekDragon
Squeeky may be a ignorant bigot, but at least he knows how to keep on the topic.

Gah, Hypocricy at it's best. I flamed you? I simply stated that smoking marijuana is fucking stupid, because it is, i also said i would wipe my ass with any PM you sent me but thats not too harsh is it? oh, and i also told you to read a high times mag but you probably already do. I never called you fucking stupid, go re-read my post's and then appologize and i may forgive you for your jumping to conclusions and hypocritical ways.

Originally posted by TekDragon
for ONCE, respond in an intellegent manner.

I already did that. :)

Originally posted by Squeeky
I'm sorry im not cool cause i dont use illegal narcotics. Marijuana is just fucking stupid, and if you use it, your just as fucking stupid. Go read a high times mag if you want advice on how to get stoned, this isnt the place.

NeoTassadar

2003-06-10, 01:46 AM

Not to fight his battles for him, but this is a principle, here.
Originally posted by Squeeky
Marijuana is just fucking stupid, and if you use it, your just as fucking stupid. Go read a high times mag if you want advice on how to get stoned, this isnt the place.

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 02:14 AM

Originally posted by TekDragon
Onizuka, thank you.

no, thank you. youre a very very very very very good and logical arguer that organizes his thoughts well. Too bad you do drugs

Here, i belive, you are making a fallacy. You are relating a death to marijuana use. Quite simply, it is impossible to overdose (OD) on marijuana. That is one of the primary reasons it is a level 4 drug. The other reason, Onizuka, is that the addictiveness of marijuana has never been proven. Almost all independent studies have shown that their is NO physical addiction. The only addiction is psychological.. the same way people are addicted to good food and great sex.

so if you smoked 50 blunts nothing would happen..... oh really. Oh and level 4 my ass it could be level 99 for all i care. Im not being ignorant, you are just looking at too many misguided, and sometimes bias facts. Does it matter if its a physical addiction or psychological addiction: no. As long as they both do the same thing, i see no difference. People can argue about anything like shoplifting should be legal if you get away with it, but in the end, human morallity must be shown. Why do you think the us gov has made marijuana illegal? It being illegal and you braking a law should be enough to deture you from even doing marijuana but it obviously isnt. This shows what kind of person you are: you brake a law, announce it, and try to actually convince people that you are not doing anything at all wrong.

Your plea for pity for the families is a good one, but its off base. Why would a family suffer because a brother or sister or teenage child used marijuana? There is only one logical reason: They would suffer because of the police supression.

they would suffer because a family member is doing something harmful to their body, and braking the law. They would also worry about them being arrested, and this is true, but if they are it is that persons fault (the person using marijuana) and not the gov. simply because the person using knew of the consiquences and decided to do it anyway.

That brings me straight back to the orginal point i made. People, like you, have the mindset that using marijuana is 'dangerous'. The ONLY reason marijuana is dangerous is because the government MAKES it dangerous. I wont go into how much of your taxes go into inefectual rehab (for marijuana patients, i do not doubt the necesity of coke/heroin rehabilitation) and jail cells for marijuana users. All of that despite the stunning lack of proof that it is dangerous.

Marijuana is dangerous to your health, try denying that (you probabley will). And how does the gov MAKE marijuana dangerous? it would be just as dangerous as if it were legallized.

Yes. My family may cry because I use marijuana. They will NOT cry because it has hurt me directly. They will cry because the government punished me for it. Think on that for a moment please.

I didnt have to think on it because there was nothing to think about. This is what really pisses me off. "they will cry because the government punished me for it" Of course they would cry because of that, but you should be punished. Its just a hard hard realization for other people to take in: that is someone being punished for braking the law. Its all your fault the government set the rules and you broke them. They also set the punishments which you will follow. Why did you choose, yes YOU CHOSE to take this risk: so you can get high. but of course your not addicted *sarcasm*. If you dont like the way the gov. runs things, then move. Move to a country where you can run around and smoke marijuana all day.

I encourage you to do some independent research on the topic. You will find research from such high profile institutions as John Hopkins and Harvard Medical, just to name some of the high profile US ones.

i dont need to do research, not because im ignorant, but because i dont believe this arguement is about facts and research. I believe it is about human dignity to not brake the law, and to not need to get "high". Even if or when it is legallized what will these new "perceptions" bring us. You cant honestly say if the whole us was hooked on marijuana, things would run smoother and work would get down faster. think on that

I was already an 'A' student. The one thing i did say that i meant was that my homework and project grades improved.

well there you go, something did improve because you smoked marijuana, thats what i said. oh and i could tell you were an "A" student by your 1420 on the SAT ;)

Ill tell you this though. I do get scared. I get very scared. I dont get scared of losing my brain... no. I dont get scared of losing my judgement... no. I get scared that "the man" is going to arrest me and ruin my life for my personal choice to smoke marijuana.

then why the hell did you choose to smoke it if your so "worried"

you argue very well, but it is all facts and no human heart. In the end, you will regret it IF you continue your actions.

*yawns* oooohhh that was tiring. :)

EDIT: oh and squeeky got you back good. ouch that must of hurt you mindlessly rambled about swinging a bat or some kind of crap like that, and say how stupid or "ignorant" squeeky is. All he had to do was quote you, not use a lot of words, just quote. Very very powerfull

Prowler

2003-06-10, 07:36 AM

Squeek is right! (Squeeky fanboy to the rescue ;) )

Yuyi

2003-06-10, 08:55 AM

I'm sorry im not cool cause i dont use illegal narcotics. Marijuana is just fucking stupid, and if you use it, your just as fucking stupid. Go read a high times mag if you want advice on how to get stoned, this isnt the place.

Yes saying its fucking stupid is a real intelligent response :rolleyes:

Marijuana is dangerous to your health, try denying that (you probabley will). And how does the gov MAKE marijuana dangerous? it would be just as dangerous as if it were legallized.

It is dangerous, but not as dangerous as ciggarettes hence you dont do it as often and most people use a filter. And while i agree that of course things would run differently if everyone was hooked on marijuna if they did it DAILY. But if everyone got high once in awile in their free time i dont think it would change much.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 09:32 AM

I'm sorry im not cool cause i dont use illegal narcotics. Marijuana is just fucking stupid, and if you use it, your just as fucking stupid. Go read a high times mag if you want advice on how to get stoned, this isnt the place.

Ill quote it once more just so he cant say he didnt see it.

Oh, and Squeeky? The difference between my flames and your flames is simple. You started it. Thats the first point. The second point is that my flames are all defined by your actions.

You acted in a close minded, bigoted, prejudice manner (see above quote). I call you out on it. Only in the loosest manner could that be called insulting. Im merely defining your charachter through your actions.

There were a few moments that i lost my temper and called you a vulgur name (ass-hat comes to mind) but i think i should be allowed that when you consider the fact that:

--YOU started this debate
--YOU opened it up with a bigoted, prejudice, unintellegent post
--YOU refuse to respond to ANY of the points on the original topic you started the debate on.
--YOU continue to use "straw man" tactics to avoid responding to the topic.

I wrote out a rather long essay on marijuana use and its affects and legal status. I asked you to respond to it. What did you do?

You went back, pulled up some quotes by me, posted them, pretended you were a great moral person that was feeling slighted, then ran with your tail between your legs.

Ok Squeeky. Now i am going to insult you. You are a pussy and a coward. You either dont have the intellegence to debate on a logical, intelectual level.. or your so imature that you get your jollies off sparking debates and then running.

Im thinking its a bit of both

Hamma

2003-06-10, 09:39 AM

Are you just about finished?

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:13 AM

Onizuka, good. Were getting close to something here. You asked some good questions and made some good statements. Your going in the right direction, your just on the wrong road.

Lemme see here...

so if you smoked 50 blunts nothing would happen..... oh really.

Yes, really. Well i mean.. you would be high as an ever-loving kite but thats it.

Marijuana (specifically THC) has a cut off level. You can ONLY get SO high with marijuana. Once you hit that level, adding more THC to the blood does nothing (except help prolong the current high).

I almost never smoke to excess. I know the high i enjoy (and can maintain proper social functions) and i dont try to go over it. I had read about the 'cut-off' several times and i always wondered if it was true.

I can say with authority that it IS true. On a trip to Amsterdam (my grauduation present, a trip to Czech Republic to stay with my GF. Dont think i went to europe just for amsterdam) me and my best friend had a bit of friendly competition. We kept trying to one up each other on how much weed we could smoke. Keep in mind amsterdam marijuana is VERY potent. Well, we hit our max highs about 30-45 minutes into it. We werent getting any higher and our throats were getting dry. We kept going for another 15 minutes and STILL werrent getting any higher so we figured fuk it and we went out and chilled on the main strip.

Does that explain anything?

People can argue about anything like shoplifting should be legal if you get away with it, but in the end, human morallity must be shown. Why do you think the us gov has made marijuana illegal? It being illegal and you braking a law should be enough to deture you from even doing marijuana but it obviously isnt. This shows what kind of person you are: you brake a law, announce it, and try to actually convince people that you are not doing anything at all wrong.

This is where i lost alot of my faith in you. First you start off by comparing personal, leisure use of marijuana... to shoplifting. Shoplifting is a crime. By stealing you are directly harming someone else. Our government was made to protect peoples freedom. By shoplifting you are imposing on somoene ELSES freedom. Thats why it is illegal.

Cocaine is illegal because it has a proven addiction and is very easy to overdose on. Some (not me, but im close) would say it should NOT be illegal because it only harms yourself. I disagree for the simple reason that cocaine addictions will cause people to lose all sence of judgement in their quest to get more. Thereby impugning on other people's freedoms.

You seem to think that marijuana is morally wrong for two reasons:
1. The government told you it was illegal.
2. The fact that the smoke harms you.

Ill start with the first one. The government told you it was illegal. For you to just simply accept this without thinking is the height of human evil. God gave you a brain. He gave you a concience. USE IT!!! Dont simply accept the hand outs. We BOTH know that murder is wrong. We accept it. We BOTH know that shoplifting is wrong. We accept it.

But tell me, is not wearing your seatbelt wrong? Who am i hurting? Myself?

Whats next Onizuka? Will I find cops patrolling the drive through at McDonalds because its not healthy? Will I suffer further blows to my freedom to be allowed to choose whether or not i wish to smoke cigarettes (i dont, i detest the habit.. but thats not the issue) simply because some liberal legislature wants to outlaw billboard signs for Winston?

You may laugh and say "Nah, your going in the wrong direction". Im not laughing Onizuka. Its people like YOU that are making these laws happen. People like YOU that blindly accept what the government says and doesnt question it.

It is your moral responcibility to question what the government gives us. Thats why this country is so great.

they would suffer because a family member is doing something harmful to their body, and braking the law.

The breaking the law part is the exact point im trying to make. Its hurting you because the government decided to throw a drug they didnt know anything about into the illegal category.

As for doing harm to the body... it has been proven inside and out, backwards and forwards, consitently and thouroughly that cigarettes and alcohol have MUCH greater risks to your health. Smoking a half pack of cigarettes a day (i know ppl who do 2 packs) were putting 4x to 5x more carcinogens in their lungs than people who smoked marijuana daily.

Shall I go quote the numbers of people who die in accidents because they didnt have their seatbelts? I shodnt have to. We both understand why the seatbelt law is unconstitutional. The same reason having cops patrolling the McDonald's drive through lane would be unconstitutional.

Onizaku it seems to be you keep going in circlular logic. Your main argument as to why marijuana is bad is because the government says its illegal. Since the government says its illegal that makes it bad. Since its bad the government made it illegal. Since the government made it illegal it means its bad. Since its bad the government made it illagal. etc.. etc.. etc..

Its circular logic, one of the most easily recognized and ludicrous fallacy in debate.

This same logic is why the Nazi party became so strong. People simply accepted what the government told them.

Now PLEASE dont think im saying our government is like the 'National Socialist' party. Im merely comparing the same side of the coin, only on a much lower scale.

The Nazi government made **** illegal. That makes **** bad. Since **** are bad the Nazi government made them illagal.

No. No. and NO!!!

Stop thinking with your government issued school textbook filled with the words of ignorant politicians who wodnt know the first thing about medicine. Start thinking with your head. Do some research.

Hell, go out and TRY marijuana (just be careful and do it in a smart way). Anyone here that has tried marijuana will attest to the fact that theres NOTHING wrong with trying it once... so long as you do it in a personall safe way (taking into account our government laws).

Marinate on that. Ill be back in a bit.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:19 AM

Oh, and about the moral decision of smoking marijuana. If your willing to take the government's word on everything that is moral or not. How about the bible?

Even the christian bible mentions marijuana smoking, and condones it. I have to admit i cant go in and pull out the exact quote but i remember having a debate on it in college bible study.

Heck, how the hell do you think Moses saw a burning bush? Thats not even marijuana. Thats halucinagens, very prevalent during that time.

Ever read cliffnotes on the Koran? Studied buddhist philosophy? They all mention marijuana as a way of attaining spiritual enlightenment.

Im not saying i think itll get you closer to god. Personall i find that hogwash. But i do think the point should be made that if your gonna go on "morals" why not go to the source of US morals: the Christian religion.

[Edit] We can be over-protective tight-pantied ***-bags running around like chickens with our heads cut off expecting this to be our "final hour" or we could just live our lives to the fullest extent until we die and not worry about how the world will end.

Lol, Onizuka! That pretty much summed it up for me :) I found that quote from you in the 50/50 apocolpyse thread.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:24 AM

Are you just about finished?

Oh im sorry Hamma. Did I violate some rule of the PSU "any topic" Lounge? Debating marijuana, its effects, and legislature on it in a logical, intelectual manner.... is that offending you?

Ill go back to joining the other posters talk about masturbation, which movies suck-ass more, and the ever-prevalent random outburst threads. If till make you happy.

Hamma

2003-06-10, 10:28 AM

Thank you.

You are on the virge of violating our spamming rules with all these 20 page posts.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:35 AM

First of all, i dont like getting off topic to answer something as inane as an your original post.

But honestly. If you had the patience or reading level to read those posts you would see its not spam. They are thought out, logical points.

Would you like me to edit the thread title to have a warning on it that says "This thread contains posts over 2 sentences"?

What was the point of you even coming in here and saying that? You cant be that bored.

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by Onizuka
I didnt have to think on it because there was nothing to think about. This is what really pisses me off. "they will cry because the government punished me for it" Of course they would cry because of that, but you should be punished. Its just a hard hard realization for other people to take in: that is someone being punished for braking the law. Its all your fault the government set the rules and you broke them. They also set the punishments which you will follow. Why did you choose, yes YOU CHOSE to take this risk: so you can get high. but of course your not addicted *sarcasm*. If you dont like the way the gov. runs things, then move. Move to a country where you can run around and smoke marijuana all day.

Read this again tek. Its YOUR choice to brake the law. No i dont think policemen should be at a mcdonalds line, but think why would the gov make in maryland, not wearing a seatbelt illegal. Are they making money off this law: yes with tickits and less dead people on the side of the road. But that really isnt the real reason: the real reason is that the gov cares, but your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick. Hey tek, ever been to china, to india, go there and see your personal rights. Go to an african country and smoke marijuana all day.

I think cigarettes should be illegal. This we stop a lot of serious smokers from smoking in fear of the law.

If we were just to focus on that marijuana is illegal: again this shows that your addicted enough to this stuff to brake the law, or you just have a jail wish. And when your going to jail which i doubt that will ever happen but if you do or if you already have, you should think, "It was my choice to brake the law. I knew of the punishments i could be facing and i ignored them anyways."

If marijuana was legal, i would have less of a problem with your whole arguement because you arent breaking a law. To me, it seems, you are the ignorant one, ignorant of any law that pisses you off, takes 10 sec of your day, or makes what your doing less pleasurable.

You have changed my views to an extent, not a whole lot, but my main view is this: no one until marijuana is legal should do it, and I will never do it for i feel it is immoral.

Hamma

2003-06-10, 12:22 PM

Good call to flame the admin, very good call.

:lol:

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 12:43 PM

But that really isnt the real reason: the real reason is that the gov cares, but your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick.

Apparently i was wrong about you. There are so many reasons this is wrong... nay, evil. History has proven time and time again that the greatest attrocities are commited with the permission of the people. People like you.

Im not comparing marjuana to the holocaust.

Im saying that you, and the people who blindly accepted the Nazi party because they were "looking out for the common good" are cut from the same cloth.

Id be willing to lay down hard cash your a liberal. Or, at the least, a democrat. Only a liberal could say such an ignorant statement as "the government cares" and "your so worried about your personal rights it makes me sick".

Im done with you.

Good call to flame the admin, very good call.

Your only human Hamma. As such you are judged by your actions. Your actions in this thread have not given me many positive things to say about your intellegence or your sence of fair-mindedness.

Perhaps the reflection you have given me on this thread is different from your real life persona. However, if i can only see the tip of the iceberg.. and it is made of ice.. isnt it fair for me to assume the rest is made of ice as well?

The tip i saw was that of a smart-ass, narrow minded, judgemental clown.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 12:53 PM

You have changed my views to an extent, not a whole lot, but my main view is this: no one until marijuana is legal should do it , and I will never do it for i feel it is immoral.

This is something i think you need to think about, before i leave.

What your saying here translates exactly into the following:

"My main view is that something should not be done unless a politician in DC, with an agenda and very few facts, tells me its ok. I refuse to think for myself. I refuse to compare what the politicians say with my own sence of morals and common sence. I will do what a politican tells me to do."

You are either extremely naive, extremely corrupt, or extremely misguided.

You choose to place your "moral" trust in a small group of politicians who, 20 years ago, were hired to form the "war on drugs". They formed a campaign of propaganda and misinformation. They passed judgement on drugs they had no medical knowledge of. They made assumptions.

Why did they do these things? Not because they cared. They did it to continue collecting their paychecks.

And THOSE are the people you choose to place your "moral trust" in. That makes me sick.

You have a brain, use it. You have common sence, use it. You have curiosity, use it. Dont accept what someone tells you, blindly, without considering it. That is the root of evil.

Yuyi

2003-06-10, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon

Your only human Hamma. As such you are judged by your actions. Your actions in this thread have not given me many positive things to say about your intellegence or your sence of fair-mindedness.

Perhaps the reflection you have given me on this thread is different from your real life persona. However, if i can only see the tip of the iceberg.. and it is made of ice.. isnt it fair for me to assume the rest is made of ice as well?

The tip i saw was that of a smart-ass, narrow minded, judgemental clown.

This isnt going to turn out good :ugh:

r3d

2003-06-10, 12:57 PM

Let this thread die, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee

Hamma

2003-06-10, 01:04 PM

You are stupider than I thought you were. Why I havent banned you yet I am not sure.

Hamma

2003-06-10, 01:05 PM

btw, I havent even read any of this thread. The fact that every one of your posts is a fucking novel makes me ignore everything you post. :lol:

�io

2003-06-10, 01:13 PM

:lol:

Feel free to borrow this pic for any future posts of his Hamma. I gave up on this thread and Tekn00b a while back so i don't really care. :)

http://bohica.planetside-universe.com/images/forumImages/postcliffnotes.jpg

Led

2003-06-10, 01:33 PM

I did not even finish the first post without the words 'fucking idiot' running through my head.

Like hell I am going to read nine pages of his stupid crap! :p

Jarlo

2003-06-10, 01:49 PM

Wait wait before this thread dies I need to give TekDragon his Proof of harm from Weed!
March 2, 2000 (San Diego) -- The Woodstock generation is getting some very bad news: Marijuana smoking in middle age may trigger a heart attack in those who still indulge. Marijuana smokers increase their risk of having a heart attack almost five times within one hour of lighting up, according to a study presented here at an American Heart Association (AHA) meeting.

March 25, 2003 -- Smoking marijuana during pregnancy may cause lasting behavioral and mental defects in the child. A new study in animals suggests that children who are exposed to marijuana in the womb may suffer from a variety of long-term problems even if they aren't born with obvious birth defects.

July 16, 2001 -- The various metabolites -- and there are lots of them! -- of tetrahydrocannabinol (or THC, the active ingredient in marijuana) do remain in fatty tissues long after the psychotropic effects of the drug have passed. For someone who uses marijuana only very occasionally, those substances are probably flushed from the body within five days, but chronic users may have significant levels for weeks or even a month. Since I gather that college was some years ago, for that reason alone, I suspect you have little to worry about. Nevertheless, your concerns about marijuana use and childbearing are not unfounded. You didn't mention whether you're male or female, so I'll mention some things for both sexes to consider. Marijuana use by men has been shown to lower sperm counts somewhat and may affect hormone levels. In women, its use may affect menstrual cycles. That said, there is to my knowledge not a single documented case of infertility caused solely by marijuana use, although it may sometimes be a contributor.

Marijuana use during pregnancy is a greater concern. THC does cross the placenta, and it may be associated with a slightly increased risk of miscarriage and stillbirth. A small reduction in average birth weight has also been documented. Once the child of a pot-smoking mother is born, he or she is more likely to experience problems with attention and certain kinds of analytical tasks. No reduction in IQ has been found, but there's clearly some psychological influence through the toddler years and perhaps into the teens. Just as an expectant mother shouldn't drink, she shouldn't smoke (pot or tobacco) or be around smoke. It's just not worth the risk.

Marijuana may be one of the most studied drugs of our time. And as the medical science accumulates, a pattern begins to emerge: The drug is neither the deadly toxin its foes portray nor the benign herb its advocates like to see. There's no reason to think that smoking a marijuana cigarette is any better for the lungs than smoking an unfiltered tobacco cigarette, and there's some reason to think it's worse. For one thing, marijuana smokers typically inhale very deeply and hold the smoke in their lungs for extended periods. For another, some cellular-level research suggests that THC may increase the mutagenic activity of the tar in smoke, which could lead to cancer.

Marijuana smokers are also at risk of other problems. One survey found that daily users reported 19% more respiratory problems (infections, irritation) than did nonsmokers. The daily users also had 30% more injuries from accidents than did nonsmokers, which is consistent with research on marijuana's effect on cognition and motor function. That said, just about without exception, alcohol is worse.

In June 2001, a new concern was documented by Murray Mittleman and his colleagues at Harvard and Beth Israel Medical Center. The group found that marijuana smokers have increased risk (4.8 times) of heart attack for an hour after lighting up. Pot is known to accelerate heart rate by as much as 50% for up to an hour, so there may be some relation between these findings. As the baby boomers age, they'd best put away those '60s habits.

Jarlo

2003-06-10, 01:53 PM

And more prooff wheeee!! Put this in your bong and smoke it.

April 2, 2002 -- Smoking five or more marijuana joints a week can make you feel stupid -- really. A new study shows heavy marijuana use can actually lower your IQ (intelligence quotient).

Researchers say it's one of the first studies to look at the long-term effects of marijuana on intelligence. Although the immediate, mind-numbing effects of marijuana are well known, it's been difficult to study the long-term effects on users because researchers often don't have a starting point before marijuana use began on which to base their measurements.

In this study, which appears in the April 2 issue of the Canadian Medical Association Journal, researchers compared the IQ scores of 70 participants before they started smoking pot (aged 9-12) with their current scores at age 17-20. Among heavy users who currently smoked more than five joints a week, IQ scores dropped by an average of 4.1 points.

Researchers say that drop might seem minor, but it's about the same degree of IQ reduction found among children who were exposed to an average of three drinks a day in the womb. And it's more than the decline found in children exposed to cocaine in the womb or to low levels of lead as infants.

But among light users (fewer than five joints a week), researchers found gains in IQ scores of about 5.8 points. Former users and non-users also had slight increases in their scores -- of 3.5 and 2.6, respectively.

The study authors say these finding have several limitations and should be interpreted with caution. The size of the study was small and did not look at the length of marijuana use. The young age of the participants may have also tempered some of the potential long-term effects of the drug.

Researchers say that marijuana has grown in popularity among youth in the last four years, so more study is needed to fully understand the consequences of both current and previous marijuana use.

Nov. 21, 2002 -- Three newly published studies link frequent marijuana use at a young age to an increased risk of depression and schizophrenia later in life. The studies offer some of the best evidence yet that smoking marijuana can influence the progression of mental illness.

Past research has linked pot smoking with depression and schizophrenia. But it has been unclear whether marijuana use causes psychosis or whether those prone to psychosis self-medicate with the drug. The new studies, published in the Nov. 23 British Medical Journal, suggest a direct link between frequent marijuana use and psychiatric illness that is not explained by self-medication.

"Most [earlier] studies suggested that mental illness in not a result of using marijuana, but the other way around," child and adolescent psychiatrist Joseph M. Rey, MD, PhD, tells WebMD. "These [new] studies do not disprove the self-medication theory completely. But they offer strong support for the explanation that cannabis use causes both schizophrenia and depression."

In an editorial accompanying the studies, Rey notes that it is not yet clear whether marijuana use triggers mental illness in otherwise vulnerable people or if it causes these conditions in people who are not predisposed to them.

In the largest of the newly reported studies, researchers followed about 50,000 Swedish men for 27 years after being drafted for military service. All of the recruits underwent a psychological evaluation, which included questions about drug use, upon entering the service at age 18.

Those who reported smoking marijuana more than 50 times were three times more likely to develop schizophrenia over the next three decades as those who did not use the drug. The association was dose-dependent, with those who smoked pot five to 10 times having only a slightly increased risk. No association was seen between alcohol use and later schizophrenia.

"We cannot be certain that the increased risk we saw is due to cannabis use, but it is the most likely explanation," psychiatrist and lead researcher Stanley Zammit tells WebMD. "It is important to point out that the risk is still quite small. If your lifetime risk of developing schizophrenia is 1% then frequent use of cannabis would increase that risk to 3%."

A second study followed Australian secondary school students for seven years. Researchers found that frequent marijuana was predictive of later depression and anxiety, particularly among teenaged girls.

Roughly 60% of the 1,600 students surveyed had smoked pot by the age of 20 and 7% were daily users. After accounting for use of other substances, daily use was associated with a five-fold increase in later depression and anxiety among young women. But depression and anxiety were not predictive of later marijuana use.

In the final study, researchers assessed data from a study following more than 750 New Zealanders from birth to age 26. Adolescents who were smoking marijuana by the age of 15 had four times the risk for developing schizophrenia in adulthood as those who did not use the drug. The increased risk could not be explained by psychotic tendencies reported in the children at age 11.

"This suggests that there is a direct causal link that cannot be explained by tendency toward mental illness," lead researcher Louise Arseneault, PhD, tells WebMD. "The strength of this study is that these children have been followed since birth. The weakness is that it is a small group, and schizophrenia is a rare disease."

Arseneault says the findings from her study and the others should serve as a wake-up call to those who deny that frequent marijuana use can impact mental health.

"We should try to discourage young people from using cannabis, especially those who might be psychologically vulnerable," she says."

Do you need more Dope Dragon? errr I mean TekDragon?

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 01:57 PM

thank you jarlo.

Anyways, shows what you know tek IM A REPUBLICAN. In fact, a pretty strong one too.
I mean im against the death penalty but other then that. Do you have a problem with the gov caring. Look at jarlos facts. Realize that you have chosen to brake the law and could be punished to its fullest extent. Realize that i am not like the germans when hitler came into power exepting everything cause you know thats bull crap.

The better point I make, the more you pick at me and blow me off. Your addicted like crazy to that stuff and you know it.

Basically level 4 my ass

EDIT: im reading some of those facts the mighty jarlo provided and i was right all along. read them or your the ignorant one.

I hope you will stop smoking marijuana but its really none of my biz. Thank you for the nice arguement, i havent been that heated up in a while. And read those facts!!!

Jarlo

2003-06-10, 02:02 PM

And Tek I don't expect to stop you from smoking your weed and frying your brain, just giving the proof you were asking for about the harmful effects of Marijuana. Everyone makes their own choices and, sadly, you have made yours already for whatever reason.

Alcohol is at least as harmful as Marijuana, I am in no way denying that or saying Marijuana is the worst drug out there. Just like any drug it has harmful as well as beneficial effects. Sadly you seem blinded by the pro=pot propaganda who claim it has zero harmful effects, which is an outright lie.

You have chosen to follow the path of regular weed use and I think it is a shame considering you are a smart person. Think what you could achieve if you let go of weed and focused your mind on something more productive then rolling a blunt.
:(

Ryuuji

2003-06-10, 02:47 PM

Have yoo ever noticed, I went to this party once, and this guy leaned over across this really hot girl, he said. "You want to smoke some weed?" I gave him a good punch in the face, and walked out the door. Enough said

Ryuuji

2003-06-10, 02:48 PM

You know what else is good, aregeno

simba

2003-06-10, 03:42 PM

�how the hell did this thread go from Matrix to drugs 4 5 pages!? I just wanna know wot u ppl think about matrix realoaded, not drugs. Can u do that? Cant we quit this blubblaer about drugs?

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 03:46 PM

I think he was banned.

Oh, and Hamma's right. Flame the admin, it will get you two cookies wit teh whip cream! and a ban.

Jarlo

2003-06-10, 03:53 PM

STFU Squeek you gimp!

<waits for his creamy cookies>

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 04:02 PM

Originally posted by Jarlo
STFU Squeek you gimp!

<waits for his creamy cookies>

Did you read the small text? :wave: BANNED! :)

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 04:53 PM

Those were some interesting news tidbits. Reminds me very much of the stuff i read in the DARE program.

I noticed none of those articles mentioned what testing controls they were using, or where they drew their test subjects from.

Those 2 things are main reasons why most "research" that finds results that show "lower results among users" are simply not accepted by the medical community. They dont use ethical controls or broad test subject ranges.

Could you please give me links to the sites that hosted those news findings? Id like to track the "research" down and see just what control were taken.

I would be willing to lay down good money that the subjects they drew came from crack ghetto. Ive seen it before, and ill see it again.

Thanks in advance for the linkage :)

[EDIT] I decided to go back and look through those articles more thouroughly and pick out some glaring mistakes that, as a bio major, i noticed would invalidate the findings.

"The strength of this study is that these children have been followed since birth. The weakness is that it is a small group, and schizophrenia is a rare disease."

They used a small test group, then tried broadening their research out to a global level. Thats pathetic. Their main researcher even acknowledged it. They really should stop handing out PH. Ds to every moron that wants one. Then again.. we all do things we dont like, and her paycheck from the government was very dependent on her findings.

In the largest of the newly reported studies, researchers followed about 50,000 Swedish men for 27 years after being drafted for military service.

This time they used a properly broad test range. However, their test control was prepostrous. Military draftees? And they were blaming any psychological stress on marijuana? *snicker*

Thats just plain funny. Please send me full linkage to that article. I want to find out who sponcored that research.

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 05:00 PM

Sheesh man, give it up already.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 05:03 PM

But among light users (fewer than five joints a week), researchers found gains in IQ scores of about 5.8 points . Former users and non-users also had slight increases in their scores -- of 3.5 and 2.6, respectively.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Looks like were gonna need some new sayings.

"A blunt a day keeps minimum wage away"

;)

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 05:08 PM

Oh and BTW: to summarize that "intellegence" finding on marijuana they basically say this:

1. Smoking marijuana lightly (5 or less a week) makes you smarter than someone who does not smoke.
2. Someone who smoked heavily and then quit.. is smarter than those who have never smoked, but not as smart as those who are still smoking lightly.
3. Never smoking makes you smarter than somoene who is currently stoned off their ass, but less intellegent than someone who smokes lightly or who smoked heavily in the past.

:rolleyes:

Even though it supports marijuana.. id never use it as a claim on why i smoke. The test controls were rediculous.

Jarlo

2003-06-10, 05:17 PM

What stress do swedish military people have? THey never fight in a war!

All of those links were from WebMD doing a search for marijuana. I can look up some actual studies and link them tomorrow but almost done with work today (horray!)

And like I said it is a damn shame you are wasting that fine brain on figuring out how to best roll your blunt.

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 05:22 PM

You pick at things too much tek. Ya the first few pickings i took very seriously: i mean you analyzed thema and everything.

But now you pick at anything that doesnt agree with you because you dont and cant admit your wrong.

Its like crying wolf and now if you criticize things, no one cares. Like this game, like marijuana. We all know your going to say something bad or against what most people think so just say it and get it out of the way.

You cant find anything good in anything. I told you you changed my mind somewhat about marijuana and that it may not be extremely deadly. But of course i didnt do anything to you. You brake the law and announce it, then you argue about it!??!?! This makes me sick.

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 05:30 PM

What stress do swedish military people have? THey never fight in a war!

Read it again. They were drafted. Apparently they served some military role.

Military doesnt draft people just to sit around and do nothing. Ill be the first to say they aint the most efficient bunch in the world... but they dont draft 50,000 people to sit on their thumbs.

And like I said it is a damn shame you are wasting that fine brain on figuring out how to best roll your blunt.

Ahh my friend, that is simply your opinion based on your own limited experience on the subject (if you even have any).

I have some friends who enjoy having a glass of wine or two after dinner. Personally i find it tragically passe. But they believe it to be romantic. Mostly i believe they do it simply because a nice glass of wine should not be rushed.. and it gives time for socialization in this hectic world.

The same goes with a nice joint after a hard days work. I remember when i was in Czech Republic living with my girlfriend and she came home after a stressful day at summer school. I invited her out on a picnic on the roof of her building with some sandwiches (im not the best cook, but i remember them being passable) and 2 nicely rolled joints (courtesy of her father).

Lets just say that the intimacy and sharing, on both mental and physical levels, are memories that will last a life time.

You may not see the point to me saying that.. but the point is marijuana is not evil. It is merely a recreational tool. Certaintly it carries some health risk. I would be shocked deaf and dumb if somoene proved that smoking marijuana did NOT "raise the risk of a heart attack by 10% among subjects in their middle ages".

Quite frankly, i dont give a damn. No one has ever been able to come up with any conclusive data that marijuana effects your mind. From personal experience.. i believe it does not. Hell, weve got one study up their that showed smoking 5 joints a week made your IQ go UP 6 points. Hogwash, squared and cubed.

Eating rare meat. Using minimal sexual protection. Jet-skiing without a life preserver. Not eating all my greens. Not wearing my seatbelt. Smoking a joint now and again.

All of those things raise the risks to my health. I do not deny it. However, id sooner cut off my arm than give them up. They are the ways i choose to live.

And having some bible belt, ignorant child like Squeeky come and tell me im "fucking stupid" for doing what i wish in my recreational time... well.. lets just say it makes me wonder what our world is coming to when a man cant sit on his back porch and puff a jay in peace.

Maybe thats why im asking to be stationed in Germany. Those people dont put up with silly nonsence.

Led

2003-06-10, 05:37 PM

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 05:45 PM

Any remaining doubt about any kind of drug user being a complete and total fucktard went out the window when some shithead high on god knows what tried out his pumpkin carving skills on my FACE

I now have two simple tattoos covering up two scars on my jaw and next to my ear.

Every time I look in the mirror I am reminded of the vacant look in that retards eyes while he was merrily sticking me.

So, Mr Drugtard, kindly go fuck yourself. Fuck you, fuck your retarded potsmoking friends, fuck your parents for bringing such a clueless self centered bastard into the world.

Truly i apologize for your pain and anything i said that may have brought up some bad memories.

However... id like to simply point out that all the (soley) marijuana users i know are very nice, introspective people. Every time ive been with people who are high they are considerate, respectful, and peaceful. I cannot imagine someone high on pot even mustering up the will to kill a spider.

Im almost certain that whoever did that to you (and im extremely sorry they did) was using a level 5 drug such as LSD, Coke, Heroin, E, Acid, K, or some other halucinogen.

I can also, within reason, gurantee he was mentally disturbed in some way or another. Sadly there are many people born into the world that lack morals or concience. Im sorry you had to meet one of these people.

Please though, dont blame his actions on a drug. That lets him off much to easily. His actions were his own and he should be punished for them. Letting someone off the hook for doing something stupid because they were "high" is rediculous.

Again.. im sorry you were assaulted in such a way. You have my condolences. Let me just say this. If i had been there, high or not, i would have attempted to defend you. Its the way i am, marijuana or not.

Prowler

2003-06-10, 05:53 PM

Drugs are bad kids. :)

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 05:57 PM

Drugsare bad kids.

among light users (fewer than five joints a week), researchers found gains in IQ scores of about 5.8 points . Former users and non-users also had slight increases in their scores -- of 3.5 and 2.6, respectively.

;)

Prowler

2003-06-10, 06:01 PM

There IQ was already at 0, so it had to go up. :D

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
There IQ was already at 0, so it had to go up. :D

hehe that was good. Wait, is it possible for someones iq to be below 0........ oh wait, yeah it is :rofl:

Prowler

2003-06-10, 07:56 PM

Why don't we ask Tek....:rolleyes:

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 07:58 PM

Yeah.. im sure you two win ALL your political debates..

:rolleyes:

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Prowler
Why don't we ask Tek....:rolleyes:

about iq. There would be 10 paragrapsh of illeterate mumble. It would be well written though

Doobz

2003-06-10, 08:42 PM

alright, i haven't read most of this thread, but i read the beginning where sqeeks continuously called marijuana a narcotic

by definition, a narcotic is any opium based drug

marijuana is not an opium based drug

marijuana is not a narcotic

sorry, it annoys me when people use incorrect drug terminology :)

Doobz

2003-06-10, 08:51 PM

he was banned?

that seems harsh

he did not flame, was considerate, and made his point intelligently, so, why was he banned?

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 08:55 PM

He was!!! that kinda sucks

i guess hit posts were too long?

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 09:01 PM

*pokes himself experiementally*

Nope.. im still here.

"You can deny the lie, but you cant deny the truth. You scared. Say you scared."
-OutKast, Aquemani

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon
"You can deny the lie, but you cant deny the truth. You scared. Say you scared."
-OutKast, Aquemani

what i dont get it. Exept for the poor grammer it seems logical but it makes no sense. Whoever thought of that had a subzero iq

Prowler

2003-06-10, 09:09 PM

Only a matter of time before Hamma bans you. :cool2:

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 09:32 PM

I dont think Hamma will ban me. Yes, he has the power to ban. He also, however, has his judgement.

I did nothing on this thread that deserves a ban. The worst i did was insult. However, i never spurned anyone first. I return scorn for scorn.

Squeeky started this whole debate out by calling me "fucking stupid". If Hamma was to ban me for calling him a prejudice, ignorant, bigot.. he would have to ban Squeeky too. To do otherwise would be blatant favoritism in regards to obeying forum rules.

If anything, Prowler, YOU should be banned. Not once have you contribured anything to this argument except barbed comments. I dont know whether you lack the intellegence to post in a logical, thought out manner.. or your just immature enough to enjoy provoking people for no reason. Maybe its both.

Im also dissapointed by people like Dio who come on, contribute nothing, and leave with a flame against me simply because my replies tend to be more well thought out than a simple "you suck" or "you rock".

Doobz

2003-06-10, 09:57 PM

sorry, i thought you were banned

i'm seriously disappointed in the PSU community for not actually reading his posts, no matter how long they were, because they were well thought out posts that contributed to the topic (read: NOT SPAM)

so, before you flame him for his beliefs, actually read what they are and then respond intelligently

i've seen very few intelligent responses to him so far

Doobz

2003-06-10, 10:00 PM

sorry, just one bit left, just saw this

i'm not questioning your dedication to your beliefs or anything, but i find it comically ironic that you display a hard dedication to questioning the system and government to maintiain personal freedom, yet you are a part of the Terran Republic
;)

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:12 PM

I like the colors and i like the weaponry.

I do, however, like some of the TR's beliefs. Im hard core conservative. I like my government small, my military strong, my corporations big, my taxes low, and my industry booming.

Only thing im not conservative on is social issues. In those im very libertarian. I believe people should have responcibility for their own actions. Freedom should be paramount, so long as your actions do not impugn on another's freedom.

If you impugn on another's freedom (robery/murder/etc)... i firmly support the death penalty, its efficient. Texas has it right.

Hamma

2003-06-10, 10:31 PM

I dont take handing out bans lightly.

However, banning Squeeky sounds tempting..

Doobz

2003-06-10, 10:33 PM

hell, i'd've done it long ago :D

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 10:33 PM

I know your favorite words tek: prejudice, ignorant, and bigot.

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Hamma
However, banning Squeeky sounds tempting..

See! All you people who doubted Hamma's loving me....err...wait.

Doobz

2003-06-10, 10:38 PM

you know, reading through these posts, i see quite a few of you looking at at TekDragon's posts and laughing at them because they were long and ignoring them because of it

if a post is intelligently constructed and well thought out, does it really matter the length?

i feel i must rely on a quote from NOFX about now:
"There's no point in democracy when ignorance is celebrated"

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:44 PM

In addition, Doobz, id like to thank you for reading my replies. I know they were quite lengthly but i wasnt being a word glutton. The points i made required the length.

Your right though. I dont think many people took the time to read them. Thats ok. Even if only one or two people decided to spend 10 minutes gaining some knowledge.. itll be good enough for me.

I hope at the least it gave you a new perspective on thinking about the issue or, at the most, brought you to this side of the scale entirely.

Doobz

2003-06-10, 10:50 PM

yes, i read every last word

took me a good hour :)

and yes, it has given me new perpective into the issue, thank you

TekDragon

2003-06-10, 10:53 PM

Well. It looks like this thread has finally run its course. Ive gone through all my points pretty thoroughly and the counterpoints have slowly trickled down to nothing.

I hope that this singular issue does not throw up any barriers between any of the people involved. For my part, i will try to leave the opinions ive developed on some of you, through the course of this thread, in the thread.

If anyone wished to discuss this topic further feel free to post, or PM me. If you feel reservations about my charachter and wish to adress them (ie: flame me) please do it on PM (*cough DioProwlerSqueekycough*

Id rather not take any bad feelings left-over from this thread into the game discussion forum or even into other threads here. Peace yall.

P.S. Thanks to those who did bother to read my posts. I hope they gave you something to think about.

r3d

2003-06-10, 10:54 PM

This thread needs to be renamed
*sigh* Won't this thread ever die...

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by TekDragon

If anyone wished to discuss this topic further feel free to post, or PM me. If you feel reservations about my charachter and wish to adress them (ie: flame me) please do it on PM (*cough DioProwlerSqueekycough*

I need some toilet paper.

Onizuka

2003-06-10, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by r3d
This thread needs to be renamed
*sigh* Won't this thread ever die...

no it needs to be renamed: HEY CHILDREN lets talk about marijuana and other illegal drugs!!!!

Prowler

2003-06-10, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by Squeeky
I need some toilet paper.

Doobz

2003-06-10, 11:06 PM

and sqeeky, seriously, i would expect a more intelligent argument from a forum moderator

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Doobz
and sqeeky, seriously, i would expect a more intelligent argument from a forum moderator

I'm not a forum moderator. And i refuse to spend my time reading this pot heads novels.

Doobz

2003-06-10, 11:09 PM

^

exactly what i'm talking about

and excuse me, i meant staff member

what basis do you have to criticize his points if you don't read them?

Squeeky

2003-06-10, 11:10 PM

Sorry to disapoint you, but i dont repeat my views throughout 20 pages of threads. I made my point, and like i said, i refuse to respond, or even read his freakin 6,000 word posts.

Doobz

2003-06-10, 11:11 PM

you seem to have responded earlier, and if you didn't read his posts, how well could you respond to them?

LSnake23

2003-06-11, 01:02 AM

Heres a reason why I think pots are illegal...

Some people would like to get high to either
a) to relax from their depresion
b) do it because they like it
c) fitting in
d) Something to make their parents mad since they will be against it :rolleyes:

After a certain amount of time, the getting high part will not have the same effect as it used too cuz they used it so long... so, they move on to stronger things... like cocain (sp?) for one.

Just to give you something to think about...

But seriously, let the thread die... who cares who starts what, who cares whos right and wrong cuz no one is gonna agree on something, everyone has their own mind weather its open or closed. Tex, if ur gonna respond to this thread saying u care and ur merely stating a opinion/fact or squeeky started the flame festival, dont bother, just trying to get this thread to die so we all can get on with out lives. Squeeky, im glad ur totaly against drug, so am I, but lets not go around calling everyone or Tex stupid, he uses pot, thats his choice, and ur prob gonna say well pot IS stupid, that is an opinion, nothing more, nothing less, just trying to get this thread to die so we all can get on with our lives.

Gonna Flame me? Go right ahead... cuz I'm gonna get back in the game where i belong doing this...

:vssucks::trsucks: :sniper:....................................:ncsuc ks:

TekDragon

2003-06-11, 09:34 AM

After a certain amount of time, the getting high part will not have the same effect as it used too cuz they used it so long... so, they move on to stronger things... like cocain (sp?) for one.

Just to give you something to think about...

Just got to work and i saw this, and had to comment.

When you look at the research on marijuana on you reach three conclusions.

1. The mental problems related to smoking marijuana are, at most, non-existent and, at the least, inconclusive.
2. Health problems related to smoking marijuana do exist and are focused almost entirely on damage to the lungs. However, when compared to health damage from cigarettes and alcohol... the effects are many times less.
3. The gate-way syndrome simply DOES NOT EXIST. Not ONE clinical study done in a fair-minded manner has given ANY conclusive date on the gate-way syndrome.

You seem to actually believe the gate-way syndrome does not exist. That people will use marijuana and all of a sudden a miracle will occur and they will want to use cocaine.

No, NO, and NO!!

Someone who did marijuana and then did cocaine would be JUST as likely to have done cocaine in the first place if they lacked access to marijuana. The reason they went to cocaine is NOT because the "marijuana made them do it" its because they WANTED to do it.

Liberal BS arguments like yours really set me off. Your basically saying that a drug that has no conclusive mental problems and is not labled as an opiate or a halucinagen... is somehow capable of twisting a person into wanting to use a hard drug?

Not saying its good, but i smoked more marijuana in my high school years than you can even contemplate smoking in a decade. Almost every day, 3-4 times a day. (please do not flame me for this, im merely stating a fact to help put what follows into perspective)

I had connections to peple and groups of people who used cocaine. Many times I had a chance to "hook up" with those people and move into their circle. I had friends in my circle who chose to do this and i wished them only the best, despite my reservations.

I, however, and 90% of my friends each independently chose NOT to do cocaine or heroin or even shrooms and E. We had a reputation in school of being the stoners (despite also being the preps) but we all knew the truth. Yes, we did marijuana.. but we did not fuk with our minds. We respected our body and our future enough to not blow them on hard drugs.

Only two of my two dozen or so friends who chose to do only marijuana and smoked with me 3-4 times a day, every day, did not go to college. One stands to inherent 10-12 million from his parents, so i cannot blame him. The other decided to join the military before going into college, and i salute him.

Im sure many of you are still in highschool. I want you to know something. You would be very suprised at who smoked marijuana. That quiet kid in the AP Calculus class who is always shy to girls. Those dozen guys who always have straight 'A's and have the hottest girls and everyone hates em cause of jealousy. The football jock. The quiet gothic. The rowdy redneck.

All of those people, and more, could be going home, hooking up with a friend, and toking a joint. And you would never know unless they chose to tell others.

So before you pass judgement just realize that your knowledge on the subject is slim, at best. And passing judgement on a topic you are ignorant on is bigotry and narrow-mindedness. Worse, its prejudice.

Marinate on that for a minute. I got to get back to work but once i catch a break ill stop by again.