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Warborn · 2003-01-05, 07:31 PM

It's not the same situation, and I�m pretty sure you understand what he means (if not, you should get you head examined)...

You apparently didn't understand the analogy I made, so allow me to make it crystal for you: Opinions can be wrong, and seeing what you want to see doesn't necessarily equate to seeing what is actually there. Opinions can be biased, skewed, misinformed, and simply ill-founded.

... and you're just running out of arguments.

Actually, I'm running out of things to answer. The arguments I have provided have been mostly side-stepped by my opponents. They answer what they think they have a good answer for, and they ignore the rest.

Warborn you replies are getting longer...

Yes, well, I don't like to be confronted with a point and simply shrug it aside. If someone says something to me, I'll answer it. As such, my posts are usually long because I reply to a lot of things. Take this post, for instance. I didn't write much, but it is long because I quoted a lot.

If you find this unacceptable, I invite you to view one of the many other short posts in various other threads.

... and more and more childish.

Don't be bitter, Lillemanden. Nobody likes an ad hominem reply, and I'm certain you wouldn't appreciate what I'd have to say if I resorted to such disdainful tactics myself.

Warborn · 2003-01-05, 07:36 PM

Woah woah woah, you're actually comparing capturing a base to healing a squad member??

Hackers are capable of doing far more than simply capturing bases, Dio. I believe I pointed that out earlier. If you'd like, I could find it for you. So, to reply directly, no, I'm not comparing capturing bases to healing a squad member. I'm comparing the duties of a Hacker to healing a squad member. Or at least, I think I am. Could you quote me so I can see what you're referring to?

You can't compare the hacker's role (as we are currently talking about) to a medic. A hacker will have a MUCH harder time hacking a base than a medic healing his buddies. And capping a base is way more important than healing a few troops. One role is meant to be a non stop support role doing his job non stop, the other is part of a task force to do a mission once and celebrate once the mission is a succes.

A Hacker's role is not to capture a base. It's to allow his squad mates to make use of base facilities when in an enemy installation, and to allow for quick and fluid movement while inside the base.

Glad to see i'm not the only one who thinks so, i don't even read them anymore.

Do you also cover your ears when someone tells you something you don't want to hear?

Lillemanden · 2003-01-05, 07:38 PM

As I understood it you we're trying argue about his opinion, which can't be done.
And may I ad that you tone is quite amusing, not exactly sarcasm but something close. And that was meant the good way, as a compliment.

Warborn · 2003-01-05, 07:38 PM

I dunno. But I don't think your looking at it in percpective. I'm sure lots of people will wanna be medics yet a medic is not crucial to the game but it makes it alot funner when there is a medic. Well same goes for a hacker. He isn't critical but it makes it alot funner because he can do things alot faster.

But then some one said well who wants to be a hacker and forfiet piloting or some other thing just to be able to hack a little faster. Well a hacker for one can probably hack alot faster, not just a little, plus a hacker can also be a pilot if thats where he puts his certs. So whats the big deal? A hacker is simply someone that makes life for his squad easier same way a medic does, but niether are crucial.

Exactly.

Warborn · 2003-01-05, 07:41 PM

As I understood it you we're trying argue about his opinion, which can't be done.

I was telling him that having an opinion doesn't necessarily mean your opinion can be wrong. Let's take this, for example. Lillemanden, can you ever really trust another person?

And may I ad that you tone is quite amusing, not exactly sarcasm but something close. And that was meant the good way, as a compliment.

My tone is what you imagine. I guess you'd have to hear me speak to really understand how I say these things. But, to clarify, I wasn't being sarcastic. I'm not usually sarcastic, but if I ever am, I tend to make it obvious. A lot of the time I'll say "Jesus Christ, I don't know about you, but that sounds like fun" or something else to give it away. I understand that text can be misleading, so I try and make my intentions clear when I write things.

As you can tell, I'm not very good at it.

Lillemanden · 2003-01-05, 07:45 PM

I didn't mean that you where sarcastic, but something like that. Can't it explain, but it does make your rather longs post a bit easier to read.

And BTW we're leading the poll I started

Warborn · 2003-01-05, 07:46 PM

Heh, good to know. I've never had anyone say that before. I hope it's a common trend and not something unique to you.

SandTrout · 2003-01-05, 07:47 PM

I'll make a refference to another MMOG, DAoC.

Sure, a Heal can't do as much damage as a Hero can, but "if the shit hits the fan", he can still pull out a hamer and get some whacks in.

In that game's RvR combat, you generaly need a set of specialists to take a keep from an enemy. However, a bunch of melee fighters(if you had enough) could take a keep all on their own.

A hacker in this game will be like a battering ram in DAoC. Sure, you could open the door without one, but it takes longer, and your group is getting picked off as you're trying to take down the door. Even though you don't acctualy "need" a ram to take a keep, it its generaly considered a nessesity because you take fewer losses outside the base, and thus can take a base with fewer people.

The same goes for the hacking certs. You don't "need" a hacker to take a base, but it makes it 20x as easy if you do. They may be considered a necesity because they alow your team to use the equipment and medical terminals while they are waiting that 15 minutes to take control of the base. This means less of a burden on medics and engeneers to keep you alive, as well as keeping them supplied well so they can continue to keep you alive. You also have a fairly unlimited supply of ammo so you can keep fighting.

I'm with Warborn on this one. Forceing everyone to have a cert to compleat the most basic objective of the game would not help, and would even hinder the game. Instead of haveing a lot of different specialists such as pilots, tank drivers, and assault infantry, you have a bunch of Advanced Hackers that only have the basic skills in other fields. This is the exact opposite of what the people who want "specialists" are trying to achieve.

From a story point of view, you could say that every infantryman is trained in the basic software of a base and use of a REK to open doors, but hackers know how to do it fast, more efficiently, and better.

Supafun · 2003-01-05, 10:39 PM

I am wit warborn all the way.
cuz also how long would it take to put in all those puzzels and stuff it would just push release date back further. and i dont know about u guys but i just wanna play the game

CDaws · 2003-01-06, 07:04 PM

Warborn, I'm n the same boat with ya man. Some people take things they way they want to not the way the person typed it ment. Yeah you can't hear the persons tone of voice, see there body language, or see there facial expressions when they post something. If people take it the wrong way correct them like you always have bud.

Ignoriance is bliss . . . . so some one's life must be really nice.

Keep up the good work and get your point across.

Lillemanden · 2003-01-06, 07:28 PM

SpecialOpRanger if you're talking about me, you couldn't be more wrong (well actually you could

). I didn't misunderstood Warborn, I just used the word sarcasm in the lack of a better word. This of cause is confusing when that�s not what I meant.

And on a site node, may I add that your first sentence is kind of ironic. Since you write about people not getting the right meaning out of a sentence, but the sentence itself has a very odd structure/grammar (hope that made sence

).

CDaws · 2003-01-06, 07:44 PM

Lillemanden, I didn't say your name so I wasen't talking specificaly about you, bud. Just people that don't get what other people say, how they say it or how they mean it in general.

People take things out of context and reconstruct it to fit how they see it instead of how the person ment it.

No probs bud.

Things get confusing in life enough without them getting on to the web.