The Vanu Sovereignty seems out of place.

Memeotis · 2012-06-04, 05:16 PM

I never played Planetside 1, but I don't think that disqualifies me from having an opinion on this matter. This is not a post to invoke rage in those loyal to VS, nor is it a post critizising the alternative game mechanics that the VS has.

To me, the Vanu just does not seem like a logical faction. Just based on lore, it does not make sense why the people who formed the VS did not join the NC, since they are clearly not interested in fighting in the first place. Why force yourselves to get an army, when you could safely continue your research behind NC frontlines? Seeing as that's all you really care about. (The lore is really vague on why the NC declared war on the Vanu)

It really doesn't make sense. You could also look at it from the perspective of technology. The Vanu is clearly way ahead of the other factions, but still finds itself evenly matched. This is hardly realistic, unless you assume that the Vanu does not really care about the war. To me they seem like a faction who does not have the same drive based on their fiery moral-standpoint like the other two factions. Instead they seem like a faction who would rather just be left alone, but needs to fight simply because they need to clear the land, so that they can excavate and do their research. A faction needs to have it drive for battle rooted in its belief system, but to the Vanu, the war just seems like an inconvenience.

I know this won't ever get changed, I just felt like saying it. That said, if I was to go back in time and change the Vanu's lore, I would make them religious fanatics instead. When the wormhole closed and people panicked, a part of the TR population began worshipping strange alien artifacts. This would explain why that inspite of having access to this technology, that they are clearly not using it as well as they could, and it would also give them a more convincing reason to fight. Why? They're religious fanatics who want to convert everyone.

Figment · 2012-06-04, 05:19 PM

They're purple. That's enough for me.

Toppopia · 2012-06-04, 05:20 PM

The Vanu declared war on the TR and NC at the same time because they can only see one way to end the war, if the VS wipe them both out themselves.

And also some lore says that scientists began 'listening' to artefacts and such, so they are being indoctrinated/mind controlled by aliens.

Serotriptomine · 2012-06-04, 05:22 PM

"We want to research alien tech"
"We do not believe in it, it's illegal to do that"

"Alright, we'll amass our army and fight for that right"

blah blah blah, you just have to word it correctly.

cryosin · 2012-06-04, 05:27 PM

The VS where originally TR, so they are hated by the NC already.

Then they broke away from the TR, making the TR hate them.

They also feel superior to the other two factions, so they think they can beat them.

The weapons are more advanced, but since its newer tech it has its trade offs.

Ie: The lasers don't have drop off but do less damage over distances.

This is actually very common in our real world. When new technology comes out, it provides benefits and drawbacks.

ie: Electric cars don't use gas but their batteries need charging and lose their charge after much use.

Kilmoran · 2012-06-04, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by cryosin

The VS where originally TR, so they are hated by the NC already.

Then they broke away from the TR, making the TR hate them.

They also feel superior to the other two factions, so they think they can beat them.

The weapons are more advanced, but since its newer tech it has its trade offs.

Ie: The lasers don't have drop off but do less damage over distances.

This is actually very common in our real world. When new technology comes out, it provides benefits and drawbacks.

ie: Electric cars don't use gas but their batteries need charging and lose their charge after much use.

Everyone was originally TR, technically.

basti · 2012-06-04, 05:28 PM

Why we didnt team up with the NC to fight the TR? Itsnt it obvious? The NC are a even bigger thread to mankind than those who call themself TR.

THe TR goverment back on earth, under the rule of Connery and other great presidents, allowed Mankind to witness a era of peace. We explored our solar system and build colonys on Mars, the Jupiter Moons and other stellar bodys within our solar system, something that could not have been done without the TR. But since we went through the wormhole, thigns changed. Connery tried to keep freedom over everything, but it was the NC who destroyed this freedom. They came and blew connery himself up, the man who showed us the first step into a new era! They are mad! All of them! Stupid lunatics who dont believe in freedom, peace or their own race! All they care of is money, nothing else. They want to rule, they want to be the mighty ones.

It saddens me that those corporations who rule the NC fill their own people with lies about freedom. Those poor NC soilders doom themself.

Thats why we, the VS, did engage combat against the TR and the NC. Its the only way to free auraxis from war is by destroying those who want the war. We want peace, but the time for words is over.

Figment · 2012-06-04, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by basti

Why we didnt team up with the NC to fight the TR? Itsnt it obvious? The NC are a even bigger thread to mankind than those who call themself TR.

I'm sorry, but the VS clearly are clearly a bigger threat to mankind's sense of fashion than either NC and TR.

The purple must be stopped before it spreads.

Xyntech · 2012-06-04, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by basti

Thats why we, the VS, did engage combat against the TR and the NC. Its the only way to free auraxis from war is by destroying those who want the war. We want peace, but the time for words is over.

And we tone down the damage on our weapons because we are too pro to stoop to using overpowered guns.

With the Lasher 2.0 we forgot tone it back all the way. Our bad.

cBselfmonkey · 2012-06-04, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by basti

Why we didnt team up with the NC to fight the TR? Itsnt it obvious? The NC are a even bigger thread to mankind than those who call themself TR.

Hehehehehe...

-I mean, wait what?

THe TR goverment back on earth, under the rule of Connery and other great presidents, allowed Mankind to witness a era of peace. We explored our solar system and build colonys on Mars, the Jupiter Moons and other stellar bodys within our solar system, something that could not have been done without the TR. But since we went through the wormhole, thigns changed. Connery tried to keep freedom over everything, but it was the NC who destroyed this freedom. They came and blew connery himself up, the man who showed us the first step into a new era!

The Lieutenant Commander paused and stared into the mug as he swirled the coffee around. “Ideally, what Connery needs to do,” he continued, “is step down as the commander of this mission. Let someone with a pair run the show.”

“The man ran a government that took care of forty-three billion people; he can handle the forty thousand in the fleet. You’re insane to think he’s going to step down,” Miller said. “Even more so if you think the people would even consider voting the man out to allow some hard-ass to enact your neurotic, heavy handed restrictions.”

“These restrictions are the only things that are going to keep this fleet alive long enough to find a planet we can live on, Miller.”

“Lieutenant, I’m not certain what you’re expecting to accomplish by bringing this up to me alone. Hell, you could’ve saved your breath for next week’s council meeting when they shoot down your oppressive measures like any sane person would do. I’m done with this ridiculous meeting, Waterson,” Miller said. He shook his head and turned around, walking towards the closed door.

“I wouldn’t walk through that door if you value your family’s lives, Adam. You should sit down,” Waterson threatened.

The councilman froze mid-step. “Excuse me?”

“It’d be an awful shame your Jenny is at the wrong place at the wrong time. I can’t exactly promise that the local authorities could continue to keep your family safe, what with being spread so thin lately. I’ve spoken to far more than just you about this matter, Adam, and the final step before I can begin to put this plan into action is your cooperation. Everything else is already in place, and all we need now is another beloved figurehead. When the time comes, of course.”

Miller stood facing the door and turned around to the grinning Lieutenant Commander, knowing his hands were tied. “Another? You’re sickening, Brent. How do you call yourself T.R.?”

“Because no one will ever find out, Adam. Who would question us if we pinned it on some of Mattherson’s starving N.C. cronies? We’re calling the shots here, remember? I trust that you’ll comply, given the terms of our agreement, correct?” Waterson said, grinning at his victory.

http://www.planetside2.com/news/may102012story

The TR military killed their own president because they wanted more control. The NC were just convenient fall guys. Heck based on Connery's log entries that have been put up on the PS2 site the guy seemed to have more in common with the NC then what the Auraxian TR have become.

Thats why we, the VS, did engage combat against the TR and the NC. Its the only way to free auraxis from war is by destroying those who want the war. We want peace, but the time for words is over.

Cuz religious based organizations never fracture or divide over ideology. United forever under the watch of our new telepathic alien artifact overlords, eh?

Kriegson · 2012-06-04, 06:03 PM

I would have to say it probably comes from some of the more base human perceptions:

They consider the TR and NC as barriers to further perfecting their grasp of vanu.

Assuming they indeed consider that they are evolving humanity through genetic manipulation, some might consider the humans amongst the TR and NC a lesser species. One to be exterminated so that theirs can thrive.

Some might simply believe in a technocracy rather than a corporate funded democracy or a fascist republic.

Some leaders within the vanu simply indoctrinated their subordinates into believing that this is the only path that they can take.

basti · 2012-06-04, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by cBselfmonkey

Hehehehehe...

-I mean, wait what?

http://www.planetside2.com/news/may102012story

The TR military killed their own president because they wanted more control. The NC were just convenient fall guys. Heck based on Connery's log entries that have been put up on the PS2 site the guy seemed to have more in common with the NC then what the Auraxian TR have become.

Cuz religious based organizations never fracture or divide over ideology. United forever under the watch of our new telepathic alien artifact overlords, eh?

The VS is not a religion, Vanu is no god. We simply accepted the truth: There are alien beings out there, and they are more powerful than we are. We accepted this simple truth. Now we work torwards the the goal to enhance ourself and mankind as a whole, by using alien technology to boost our own evolution.

But being the NC you are, ignorant and foolish, you propably wont understand that at all.

(Keep in mind that this whole thread is a RolePlay Trash talk thread for me. If i insult you, then just because you are a scumback NC/TR!

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cBselfmonkey · 2012-06-04, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by basti

The VS is not a religion, Vanu is no god. We simply accepted the truth: There are alien beings out there, and they are more powerful than we are. We accepted this simple truth. Now we work torwards the the goal to enhance ourself and mankind as a whole, by using alien technology to boost our own evolution.

But being the NC you are, ignorant and foolish, you propably wont understand that at all.

Correction. We know that they existed on Auraxis for a while. Whether it was their homeworld or they were visitors too isn't know. Nor is why they apparently just upped and left. Leaving everything and the kitchen sink behind. Assuming they didn't just die out. And why was that? Sovereignty scientists seemed for focused on getting their ten minutes with the telepathic, brain altering artifacts then figuring out why.

Bottom line is we don't know what happened to the real Vanu other then they're clearly not here anymore. Trying to follow their 'path', heck trying to change humanity to be more like them when we don't even know who or what they were takes an enormous leap of faith to even consider. Especially when its coming from people that are supposed to base their decisions off of reason, logic and evidence.

(Keep in mind that this whole thread is a RolePlay Trash talk thread for me. If i insult you, then just because you are a scumback NC/TR!

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Sledgecrushr · 2012-06-04, 05:22 PM

Once the scientists, the so called Vanu turned away from humanity and delved into ancient alien technology they became depraved with blood lust. This urge to become a new dominant species has driven them to make war with the authoritative terran regime and the freedom loving new conglomerate. Since this is the truth then they need to be purged with fire and steel.

Hmr85 · 2012-06-04, 05:23 PM

oops wrong topic :P