Potential For Selling Pay To Win

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 06:50 PM

From the FB app regarding teir 2 rewards:

1 Boost Implant Pack
This Boost Implant Pack will increase the rate at which you earn experience and resources for a period of time. What’s in the Pack?

This Boost Implant Pack contains:
Experience Amplifier (x3)
Resource Amplifier (x3)

I am an extremist when it comes to what an advantage is with regards to micro-transactions. These implants are confirmed to exist in one form or another, regardless of if they persist after death or not, it is an advantage that others who do not participate will not receive, unless SOE decides to sell them for station cash. They have said that station cash only will be cosmetic, but what they have not said is if you will be able to bypass limits other players have because they do not purchase them.

Any experience or resource boost is an advantage and should not be sold for any reason for anything other than in-game resources. This is in effect paying to gain an advantage, however slight, and should not be tolerated if it comes to pass.

Virulence · 2012-06-04, 06:54 PM

They never said that store items will be exclusively cosmetic.

They've confirmed in the past that store items will provide cosmetic options as well as convenience benefits - specifically boosts and being able to unlock items in game with station cash. This is how most F2P games work.

Bags · 2012-06-04, 06:54 PM

League does this, they like league.

Ergo, it's gonna happen.

I never needed boosts for league, and my solo queue elo was ~2k pre-rank mode (you could check with some txt file).

Zulthus · 2012-06-04, 06:55 PM

Whatever, people have money, let them spend it. PS2 has to survive on something. It's not selling power, you still have to play in order to get cert points/experience points.

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Bags

League does this, they like league.

Ergo, it's gonna happen.

That is paying to win then. Completely contradictory to what Higby has said.

Originally Posted by Zulthus

Whatever, people have money, let them spend it. PS2 has to survive on something. It's not selling power, you still have to play in order to get cert points/experience points.

Does not matter, its an advantage that is being sold for real world cash.

maradine · 2012-06-04, 06:57 PM

Paying to advance 50% faster is not paying to win. If people want to trade ducats for time, let 'em.

Winfernal · 2012-06-04, 06:59 PM

http://www.planetside-universe.com/s...4&postcount=49

Originally Posted by RadarX

The rewards need to motivate folks to participate so we had to go somewhat. The items will not give any type of power boost so it's completely voluntary.

There are a couple of minor bugs we are looking into right now. Thanks for your patience and participation.

Nobel · 2012-06-04, 06:59 PM

Advantage is in no way being sold.

Convenience is being sold, this the ABSOLUTE right way to do it.

There are no gates prohibiting anyone from any part of the game. You might have to work twice as hard to get there without paying any money; but its an entirely reasponable way to do things.

I for one, am glad to see these.

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by maradine

Paying to advance 50% faster is not paying to win. If people want to trade ducats for time, let 'em.

That faster advancement will turn into being more diverse than others earlier than they otherwise would be, being able to do more sooner is an advantage especially in a shooter. In essence, I can do things before you can because I have paid real world cash to make it happen.

Soothsayer · 2012-06-04, 06:59 PM

You have to pay to win in PS1 as well. If you didn't pay, there was no way you would have even the most remote chance of winning.

Brusi · 2012-06-04, 07:01 PM

I'm going to buy the shit out of those booster implants. If anyone accuses me of cheating or paying to win then they can suck a big one, lol!

In fact if anyone thinks that a free-to-play game can survive and thrive on purely cosmetic items, then they are fucking retarded. Don't make a big deal out of it, selling power is almost the grayest area there is in gaming. It's very subjective.

As long as the game is fun for free-to-play gamers then mission accomplished.

p0intman · 2012-06-04, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Soothsayer

You have to pay to win in PS1 as well. If you didn't pay, there was no way you would have even the most remote chance of winning.

The only real way to win in PS1 was to not log in.

Originally Posted by Nobel

Advantage is in no way being sold.

Convenience is being sold, this the ABSOLUTE right way to do it.

There are no gates prohibiting anyone from any part of the game. You might have to work twice as hard to get there without paying any money; but its an entirely reasponable way to do things.

I for one, am glad to see these.

Convenience imo would be a slightly faster respawn time. An advantage is anything in which I have a direct edge over others in such that it changes if I were to win an engagement or not.

maradine · 2012-06-04, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

An advantage is anything in which I have a direct edge over others in such that it changes if I were to win an engagement or not.

Excellent - we all agree!

CuddlyChud · 2012-06-04, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

That faster advancement will turn into being more diverse than others earlier than they otherwise would be, being able to do more sooner is an advantage especially in a shooter. In essence, I can do things before you can because I have paid real world cash to make it happen.

If that's your definition of power, than PS1 was a huge offender when it came to giving veterans too much power relative to newbies.

diLLa · 2012-06-04, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by p0intman

The only real way to win in PS1 was to not log in.

Convenience imo would be a slightly faster respawn time. An advantage is anything in which I have a direct edge over others in such that it changes if I were to win an engagement or not.

On the scale of Planetside where hundreds of people are battling eachother, 1 player having an extra unlocked cert is hardly going to change anything.