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2011-12-10, 06:43 AM | [Ignore Me] #106 | |||
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I got really pissed off at being marked as a terrorist on a website like that. I don't mind if some TR or VS scumbag thinks I'm a terrorist, but when someone is sorta previewing a game and in general says that my faction is full of terrorists, thats wrong!
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2011-12-10, 09:07 AM | [Ignore Me] #109 | |||
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"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war, and now there ain't no going back. I mean shit, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it! If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight. " Slim Charles aka Tallman - The Wire BRTD Mumble Server powered by Gamercomms |
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2011-12-10, 09:12 AM | [Ignore Me] #110 | |||
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They seem to have concluded that it must be a religious experience whilst discounting the very real possibility that it was instead technologically-based telepathic communication. |
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2011-12-10, 09:20 AM | [Ignore Me] #111 | |||
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"Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war, and now there ain't no going back. I mean shit, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it! If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight. " Slim Charles aka Tallman - The Wire BRTD Mumble Server powered by Gamercomms Last edited by Canaris; 2011-12-10 at 09:22 AM. |
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2011-12-10, 09:43 AM | [Ignore Me] #112 | |||
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2011-12-10, 12:31 PM | [Ignore Me] #114 | ||
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Here's how I see the current conflict, as informed by the backstories that we've seen for PS2. As always, here's a wall of text :
The TR were an answer to humanity when they were on a path to self-annihilation. There had been a nuclear holocaust, and the world was driving itself into the grave. The world had lost more than half of its total population long before the TR came into existence, and it still couldn't help but keep war alive. The TR step in during the worst moment in Earth's history, and rescue it. The TR government is a compromise that eliminates nationalism and places everyone under a single law--bolstered by a dedication to transparancy and accountability. It is a consensus government for the entire world, it allows for many civil liberties, and it works. Earth recovers from its devastation, and creates a peaceful society far more prosperous than any society that existed before the cataclysm. The TR is founded on the notion that nobody is above the law, and that unity is absolutely necessary. They believe these things because they see them as safeguards--without unity and order, there is nothing to stop the world into devolving into another cataclysmic war. Factionalism is the enemy, and it is more dangerous than the ultimate doomsday device. Whatever the TR do, nothing could be as bad as the specter of war they are keeping us safe from. The NC know their history. They appreciate how important the TR was when the world was tearing itself apart. But absolute power corrupts, and while the TR was once an open government that respected freedom, the current government doesn't have the same priorities. The NC see the the regulations and restrictions that are being implemented daily in the name of unity and security, and they are skeptical. They see what happens to those who voice disagreement, and they are horrified by the draconian crackdowns on "dissent." They see the TR, and they see a wolf in sheep's clothing. The NC know that humanity didn't always live under one government, and while it's true that ultimately the world devolved into an apocalypse, it lasted pretty well for thousands of years despite nations and factionalism. To the NC, the TR is so repressive that ANYTHING would be better. They are willing to tear the system down, to "burn it all and start anew," because even in the worst case, the instability that would result isn't as bad as the totalitarian domination being pushed by the TR. No matter what comes next, the TR is too rotten to remain in place. The VS aren't political, at least not in the classic sense. They see the danger of the TR's totalitarianism, but they aren't radical freedom fighters. The VS are smart--they see the NC and are appalled by the short-sightedness of the NC's aims. The VS know that every action has a consequence, and some consequences are unforseen. Revolutions are radical, and once they are set in motion, it's impossible to know how they'll end up. The Russian revolution led to eighty years of totalitarian communism. The French revolution led to a reign of terror and an imperial dictatorship. The NC, for all their idealistic drivel, are revolutionary radicals too short-cited to realize they are playing with fire. The VS see things long-term. They look at human history, and they see an endless cycle of self-destruction. Humanity can't survive if it can't find a way to break the pattern. The VS know that there are other perspectives out there--perspectives with much wisdom and knowledge to share. The VS know that humanity is behind the eight-ball--other societies exist, and if the Vanu are any indication, they may have technology that humanity can't contend with. If man is to survive, he must find a way to even the technological playing field. He also has to stop fighting himself. These are the two tenets that the VS hold dear. While they don't want a revolution--they will go to war to save us from ourselves. Why do the VS and NC fight? When the TR look at the VS, they see factionalism. When the NC look at the VS, they see a militarized group that have pursued advanced technology and are attempting to exert political and physical control of Auraxis. The VS are conquering settements and bases, churning out weapons, and fielding troops. They aren't democratic, and they seem motivated by an apocalyptic notion that humanity is caught in a ruinous, self-destructive cycle that has to be broken. The VS have gone to war on a vision--a prophecy of sorts--and the things they are doing to "evolve" humanity... The VS are putting lives on the line to shape the future of humanity in accordance with their views. It's not a vision that the NC share. Last edited by Revanant; 2011-12-10 at 12:48 PM. |
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2011-12-10, 12:46 PM | [Ignore Me] #115 | ||
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Well....when you jump on the faith that someone is hearing voices from Vanu...yes...
When you hold faith that the path of dedicating everything to uncovering and using an ancient civilization's technology and forcing everyone else to comply with your views and that this is the ultimate correct path for humanity.....yes... Everyone has faith everyday. You may not know it but you require faith that this reality is real, that what you percieve is correct and that what others communicate they percieve (who may not exist at all) is also correct. That many things, even without a control or a real scientific experiment....are in fact science. That with no control and no true observation, that it is all correct. Then you get in to the quantum world where things actually behave differently just because you're observing them.... And back on track..... Faith that your ideal is better than the ideal of unity and total individual freedoms. |
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2011-12-10, 06:02 PM | [Ignore Me] #116 | ||
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Nice post Revanant.
To add to the discussion, in PS1, the VS were religious already. Maybe the technology part stuck better because all our tools were based on that technology. But yeah... Our command structure has religious aspects. |
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2011-12-10, 06:09 PM | [Ignore Me] #117 | ||
You don't give back presents, that's poor etiquette
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