The balance issue with multi-gunned vehicles - Page 3

CutterJohn · 2011-07-27, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Aractain

Not every vehicle has to be a combat vehicle though.

Obviously. I'm just saying a ground transport either has to be a combat vehicle, or bring something extra to the table besides merely hauling grunts(AMS functionality, BF2142 style pods, etc), to be worthwhile.

Getting your carcass to the next fight is not difficult, and the delis in PS offer little incentive to use them over gunning, getting your own vehicle, or going in a galaxy, which has a number of advantages over the deli.

kaffis · 2011-07-28, 11:11 AM

I wonder if weather could play a part in this? Violent storms that make flying inherently more dangerous and difficult to control/navigate, while also disrupting things like spawning to Galaxies and spawning on squad members...

NapalmEnima · 2011-07-28, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Getting your carcass to the next fight is not difficult, and the delis in PS offer little incentive to use them over gunning, getting your own vehicle, or going in a galaxy, which has a number of advantages over the deli.

The Deliverer's one advantage over a Galaxy is availability. You don't even need a tech plant, much less a dropship center, to get one. It's not a first choice, it's a less-awful fallback position.

But for PS2: gun ports would be nice for all those passengers. And someone also mentioned "sockets" for MAX suits that would leave them partially exposed and let them fire.

Brusi · 2011-07-28, 06:33 PM

I think i would like to see some sort of Overdrive gear on ground transports and perhaps some of the more lightly armored multi-person vehicles.

Kinda like the MAX running mode, disabling the weapons when your speed goes over the overdrive limit perhaps.

Also agree with varied gunner seat positions, perhaps even have some soley utility gunner positions. Need someone present in the EMP seat to active the EMP, or need someone in the radar seat, to activate radar functionality.

Headrattle · 2011-07-28, 09:44 PM

Gun ports is an excellent idea. Not as much firepower as a 12mm cannon, but you still get to fire a weapon at stuff. Should you exclude certain weapons?

Sovereign · 2011-07-28, 11:13 PM

Open gun ports for infantry that is, if you do it for maxes as well then you'll needlessly complicate it balance wise..

CutterJohn · 2011-07-29, 04:39 AM

If you insist on adding popguns to the side of the vehicle, then just have a pre installed firing port weapon.

Headrattle · 2011-07-30, 03:32 AM

That is fine. A punisher for each passenger. Limited field of fire, but the guy gets to shoot at stuff. Not that over powered because it is just as if the guy were walking anyway.

FPS players like to shoot stuff. Allowing passengers the ability to shoot stuff (even if mostly ineffective) will increase the usage of a transport. Using a type of weapon that would be on par with something they would have anyway if they were running from point A to point B would make a lot of sense.

CutterJohn · 2011-07-30, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Headrattle

FPS players like to shoot stuff. Allowing passengers the ability to shoot stuff (even if mostly ineffective) will increase the usage of a transport. Using a type of weapon that would be on par with something they would have anyway if they were running from point A to point B would make a lot of sense.

A fair point.

Though I still don't understand why you think they'd be running...

exLupo · 2011-07-31, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by CutterJohn

Though I still don't understand why you think they'd be running...

Coming from any other wide-field FPS, the assumption is pretty natural. Limited transport that's more ground focused. New players are gonna be in for a shock if PS2 is like PS1.

NYRampage · 2011-08-01, 10:33 AM

This type of conversation is going to be good to have but probably not until we have more details. Already they are hinting at hundreds of perks/certs etc that are going to affect the balancing. Frankly, I'm worried they will be able to balance it all because there will be so many combinations to be had. (I can't wait to see a cert tree published)

NapalmEnima · 2011-08-01, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by NYRampage

Frankly, I'm worried they will be able to balance it all because there will be so many combinations to be had. (I can't wait to see a cert tree published)

This is cited as one of the reasons to do away with the free-form inventory. A given class will have access to X, Y, and Z, but those things are designed with balanced interactions in mind. A, B, and C, will NOT be available in that class, and some Game Breaking Interactions between them simply aren't issues.