How the heck did SOE achieve such faction loyalty? - Page 6

Raka Maru · 2012-07-08, 01:21 PM

It wasn't hard at all to be loyal to your faction.

* The uniqueness of each empire.
* Band of Brothers.
* Being able to help strangers in your faction felt natural.
* Spies were very much hated and dealt with.

The game was built in such a way that it was very easy to help anyone in your faction. Lodestar could be parked and someone would CE the area, another would set up an angis shield on it. Not even being in the same squad. Maxes locked down and engies and medics keeping an eye on them. This happened even before SEP was introduced.

If they broke through, we were all gonna die, if we couldn't push out, we would be pushed back. The distinct weapon sounds that you heard right before the respawn screen. I grew to hate/respect the Chaka-Chaka and pew-pew. Looked up as the VS maxes were flying around and thought how to kill them.

Easy trash talking by hot keys. "Your best is my worst!". I would get caught as a cloaker surrounded by NC and they would taunt me and hold fire until I decided to run. All this built up to make you loyal to your faction and hate the others in game. If you didn't respawn fast enough, they would defile your corpse.

Most reasons have already been given, just wanted to add a few of mine.

Tvayda · 2012-07-12, 08:42 PM

Its simple, people who love freedom and are good Americans or (insert other nationality here) play NC, and the commie/socialists who want to run your life went TR and the religious zealots who think they know best and who believe themselves to be the "chosen" went VS. Simple.

I kid, I kid. But honestly, some people do have a very fierce loyalty to their faction and others do not, its about immersing yourself in the game, which is a never ending war and when PS first came out was very easy to do. So if you really play one faction enough, you see the others as evil and bad and whatnot and that just develops into a seething hatred for anything but what you and your empire's brethren are.

Ninjacalypse · 2012-07-13, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Coreldan

9 years of neverending war...

scars even the toughest guys!

War...war never changes...

Tehroth · 2012-07-13, 04:57 PM

It is human natures to choose a Team/Country what have you to defend vigorously. Humans are social creatures(for the most part) so choosing a group to fit into has been happening since our conception.

BoughtTheFarm · 2012-07-13, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Raka Maru

It wasn't hard at all to be loyal to your faction.

* The uniqueness of each empire.
* Band of Brothers.
* Being able to help strangers in your faction felt natural.
* Spies were very much hated and dealt with.

The game was built in such a way that it was very easy to help anyone in your faction. Lodestar could be parked and someone would CE the area, another would set up an angis shield on it. Not even being in the same squad. Maxes locked down and engies and medics keeping an eye on them. This happened even before SEP was introduced.

If they broke through, we were all gonna die, if we couldn't push out, we would be pushed back. The distinct weapon sounds that you heard right before the respawn screen. I grew to hate/respect the Chaka-Chaka and pew-pew. Looked up as the VS maxes were flying around and thought how to kill them.

Easy trash talking by hot keys. "Your best is my worst!". I would get caught as a cloaker surrounded by NC and they would taunt me and hold fire until I decided to run. All this built up to make you loyal to your faction and hate the others in game. If you didn't respawn fast enough, they would defile your corpse.

Most reasons have already been given, just wanted to add a few of mine.

Just as Raka says, though some of his memories are a little dark, but as he was a cloaker it guess it was part of playing in a Gimp suit.

You got to know the names of your regular enemies and you stood by your faction, help your empire players and that built faction loyalty.

BTF

Revenge is a dish best served on a bed of hot Decimators - Burn Them Down

Kalee J · 2012-07-13, 08:36 PM

I know that I always feel obligated to defend Amerish. I have always thought of it as the VS home. As the saying goes, "Honor Amerish, and keep it Vanu"

Raka Maru · 2012-07-15, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by BoughtTheFarm

Just as Raka says, though some of his memories are a little dark, but as he was a cloaker it guess it was part of playing in a Gimp suit.

You got to know the names of your regular enemies and you stood by your faction, help your empire players and that built faction loyalty.

BTF

Revenge is a dish best served on a bed of hot Decimators - Burn Them Down

Didn't realize or considered them dark until you pointed this out, but I guess you are right.

Being behind enemy lines 75% of the time got you accustomed to being mistreated sometimes, all part of the game.

Udnknome · 2012-07-15, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Loverator

Well, i haven't played Planetside 1 - but i guess i may be able to tell what it is.

Anyone else stop reading as soon as they see this line at the beginning?

Caldaren · 2012-07-17, 02:57 PM

Loverator, with all due respect, you're wrong.
Raka Maru nails it on the head.

For the first 2-3 years I ran topside, running AMS' and playing support. You recognize that you're topping off the same people, repairing the same tanks and having the same grunts spawn at your AMS. You've got the same people running air cover topside, and you trust them to do their job, so that you can do yours.

Being an AMS driver was like being an over-the-road trucker pulling a trailer that had "SHOOT ME" written on the sides. You were a threat, target numero uno, the driving force that moved those static lines. They had to be protected, else every other grunt had a longer run across more open terrain, able to be picked off by Magmowers or rocket-spam gunships.

I chose TR because I liked Red/Black more than Blue/Yellow or Purple. I stuck with TR because that's where the relationships were that I made.

And later, when we turned the caves Red....I stayed TR because the outfit I ran with was TR.

After a while, you know that rationally there is balance in the game. But after the 500th time you've been killed by a jackhammer, or a lasher, you don't care. It's us vs. them, the faceless them with weapons that require no skill as opposed to your weapons which are harder to use. And against the faceless them are your brothers in arms, fighting the good fight...because it's Planetside, that's what you do, that's why you play the game.

Don't bring real world into this, it has no place here. In the end, it is Red/Black vs. Blue/Yellow vs. Purple, and whatever side you choose the others are the OTHERS, and therefor, not to be trusted.

Helwyr · 2012-07-26, 05:08 AM

I really hope PS2 has that same Faction loyalty that PS1 enjoyed. It really is a credit to the game that a MMOFPS manages to generate this in the player base better than every MMORPG I've played. DAoC was close, but really only on the RP servers.

It's hard to definitively pin down why. There's been a few good explanations already. My personal feeling was that the different Factions did to a small degree attract different types of people, it wasn't entirely the equipment that made the empires distinct, but to a degree the players themselves... and when you play one Faction long enough, you begin to form a perception of the other Faction players that is way larger than the actual reality. The narcissism of minor differences, the fuel for wars and ethnic hatreds in the real world, but the fuel for more engaging gameplay in online games

Oh yeah, Vanu for life! ..There was an NC poster above saying how he couldn't stand VS. I couldn't stand the NC. Full of Rambo wannabees with the maturity of an 8 year old suffering from bad parenting and overdosed on sugar... It's the bright colors and big guns that attracts them. It's not all bad though, plenty of smacktalk (aka tears) to be farmed from their Aircav with my tree dwelling Starfire. <throws more fuel on the fire>

ringring · 2012-07-26, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Vamoozi

As i haven't played the first planetside, I really don't understand how people that played it became so much loyal, defensive, biased (not telling this is a bad thing) To their faction.

I mean, I like NC the most, but see the other two factions have their appeal aswell, but some PS1 vet sees it diffrently, he sees his faction as a godlike empire, and the other two factions worms barely worth living.

how

HOW?

I mean, I played WoW and SWTOR and I didnt give a single damn wich faction I'm on at the moment, but i feel I will become like the PS1 vets overtime, biased to my faction.

I think the first thing is that SOE didn't build a game they built a framwork of a game and the players provide the content. The players are the content.

Second, you join an outfit and you achieve things together.

Third, via the chat channels and the kill spams you being to recognise people outside your outfit. You recognise who is good on your side and you recognise who is dangerous on the other.
You see one name on the kill spam and you think, I know from previous experience that guy is good, I am not going down there to be killed, I'll be smart and wait for an advantage -or- I recognise that name, he's part of XXX outfit, those guys are good we need more help here.

Novice bot · 2012-07-26, 07:58 AM

Well, to me, its pretty much the concept of clans and loyalty. You get kinda "attached" to your "homies", and you get used to playing with them. It's just on a broader scale. Not to mention all the propaganda that's going on. Myself, I currently ain't that loyal to any faction, as I go where my clan goes (assuming the guys will play the game). And then, loyalty towards the faction comes naturally over time.