Prone and lean

[Crator]

Originally Posted by Gogita

These subjects already have topics, search them. Easy answer.

Not so easy when they close Poll threads. Newcomers cannot contribute to the poll/discussion when that happens. Side-effect: New Polls/Threads will emerge so those who didn't get to participate before can.... Simple fix, don't close hot topic threads.

Crap, I wanna re-vote, I clicked Lean Only but I wouldn't mind having Lean and Prone...

[Bags]

"Tactical mechanics" is an odd way of spelling camping mechanics.

[fishirboy]

i am sorry sir Beta must dissed over ALL!!!

[Coreldan]

Originally Posted by Bags

"Tactical mechanics" is an odd way of spelling camping mechanics.

Leaning is perhaps even more important for the attacker than it is for the defender. The lack of leaning will pretty much always give the advantage in the situation to the defender.

My personal vote was no to prone, yes to lean.

I don't mind prone in the usual shooters I play. In fact I sorta expect it in most games, but somehow I feel PS doesnt need it. Leaning I would like to have though. It's just stupid having to expose your whole body when carefully wanting to look around the corner.

[PlaceboCyanide]

Originally Posted by Coreldan

Leaning is perhaps even more important for the attacker than it is for the defender. The lack of leaning will pretty much always give the advantage in the situation to the defender.

My personal vote was no to prone, yes to lean.

I don't mind prone in the usual shooters I play. In fact I sorta expect it in most games, but somehow I feel PS doesnt need it. Leaning I would like to have though. It's just stupid having to expose your whole body when carefully wanting to look around the corner.

This. It is hard to have an anti-camp stance and say no to lean.

[zomg]

It's interesting that people seem to always be absolutely for or against prone and/or lean, as if it's a completely black or white type question with no shades of gray.

[ChargerCarl]

prone: maybe
lean: mostly useless

[Landtank]

I'm not against lean, definitely no prone, but lean has always been a tactic. You only call it camping when you get owned by it and don't know how to counter it, IE: grenades.

[zomg]

Originally Posted by Landtank

You only call it camping when you get owned by it and don't know how to counter it, IE: grenades.

This.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Landtank

I'm not against lean, definitely no prone, but lean has always been a tactic. You only call it camping when you get owned by it and don't know how to counter it, IE: grenades.

Grenade spam in PS1 wasn't enough, let's put a shit ton of mechanics that require them in PS2, this can't end badly.

[Landtank]

Originally Posted by Bags

Grenade spam in PS1 wasn't enough, let's put a shit ton of mechanics that require them in PS2, this can't end badly.

Hah maybe, but since grenades cost money it wouldn't in theory be too bad. Its a good point though, definitely could be abused.

Besides grenades are just one example, you can wait for the enemy to pop out, it limits the amount of people allowed to clog up a hallway, makes snipers way more noticeable outdoors I feel, idk just throwin around ideas.

Leaning allows you to check your corners more effectively, and I think it allows for better firefights, but I could be wrong. Its all based on opinion, but I just don't like the idea of having to throw my whole body into the line of fire to take a shot, or to stay behind a MAX suit just to take some pot shots.

[Bags]

Originally Posted by Landtank

Hah maybe, but since grenades cost money it wouldn't in theory be too bad. Its a good point though, definitely could be abused.

Besides grenades are just one example, you can wait for the enemy to pop out, it limits the amount of people allowed to clog up a hallway, makes snipers way more noticeable outdoors I feel, idk just throwin around ideas.

Leaning allows you to check your corners more effectively, and I think it allows for better firefights, but I could be wrong. Its all based on opinion, but I just don't like the idea of having to throw my whole body into the line of fire to take a shot, or to stay behind a MAX suit just to take some pot shots.

What incentive do defenders have to pop out when they can lean and wait for you to come to them?

Originally Posted by QuantumMechanic

I think PS2 definately should have some mechanics that facilitate "camping".

Firstly as has been mentioned the fights usually will have an attacker / defender situation where one team is defending some type of building or feature. Do you expect the defenders to run around willy-nilly in the open instead of taking advantage of base defense features?

Secondly killing campers gives infiltrators something fun to do.

Defenders already have the advantage.

and all you need is one defender to have a DL scope or an infared scope and the cloaker is useless.

[Coreldan]

Originally Posted by Bags

What incentive do defenders have to pop out when they can lean and wait for you to come to them?

Defenders already have the advantage.

They already have no incentive to pop out even without lean.

Like BF3. I miss the option to lean in it, but never as the defender, but the attacker. If I want to camp as the defender, they will lose regardless if I have lean or not. As the attacker it gives me a tad better chance to do something about it. Yes, defender still has the advantage, but I'm a bit less at a disadvantage.

Think it like...... If you have 2 apples and get 2 apples more, you get a 100% increase. If you have 100 apples and you get 2 apples more, it's a 2% increase Point being, it's a far bigger boost to the attacker than it is to the defender. Not at such percentages as in the examples, but still

Now I'm off to sleep though, so I won't be replying in the next 8 hours, but I guess there's nothing more for me to reply, I said my opinion already

[Toppopia]

Originally Posted by Landtank

Hah maybe, but since grenades cost money it wouldn't in theory be too bad. Its a good point though, definitely could be abused.

Besides grenades are just one example, you can wait for the enemy to pop out, it limits the amount of people allowed to clog up a hallway, makes snipers way more noticeable outdoors I feel, idk just throwin around ideas.

Leaning allows you to check your corners more effectively, and I think it allows for better firefights, but I could be wrong. Its all based on opinion, but I just don't like the idea of having to throw my whole body into the line of fire to take a shot, or to stay behind a MAX suit just to take some pot shots.

Its weird having to expose my whole body just to shoot, thats one reason i love games with cover mechanics, it allows me to effectively fight from cover, and i always ADS round corners to give me a nice controlled pace i can look round corners, and since grenades cost resouces and hopefully can't be resupplied by ammo boxes, then grenade spam won't be too bad,

[I SandRock]

Actually saying no to lean would make you a CoD or BF kinda player, those games favor running and gunning over tactical gameplay such as games like Rainbow Six or Ghost Recon, which as far as I know are the only games who have lean.

I like the idea of lean but I don't think it will work in Planetside, not enough walls for everyone to hide behind. And it will kind of look retarded to look out from the wall of your base and see 400 enemies all behind rocks/trees except for their faces sticking out of the sides haha.