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Old 2004-10-09, 05:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #1
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Hey, guys . I'm working on making some sort of computer on my own, albeit one that's fairly cheap. Under the following guidelines, can someone give me some great help and come up with a near-complete parts list for under $1500? The only guides are as follows:

1 GB of RAM, preferably single DDR
A PCI Express Video Card
At least 2.8 Ghz of P4 Processor Speed (I'm sticking with Intel for now)

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Old 2004-10-09, 06:14 PM   [Ignore Me] #2
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Old 2004-10-09, 06:21 PM   [Ignore Me] #3
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$1500 with PCIexpress = not happening

The mobo's that have it are like $200, you have to get a top end socket 775 CPU, and DDR2 ram. To top it off alot of this stuff is hard to find not even big OEM's liek dell can keep a relaible supply. But if you want something like that in let top of the line hardware, w/ performance similar, i can get you a list.

EDIT on that sight a 3.0 w/ a gig of DDR2, and a good PCI-Ex vid card is costing $1700 without anything else. This sight has very good prices, but a reg p4 system is gona to be far less, and have the same performance roughly becasue the new tech is not at it's potential yet, your better of with an Athlon 64 939 socket or a regular P4 system or waiting for the 1066 FSB 775 CPU's at witch time PCI-Ex vidcards will be more command and DDR2 memory will be far cheaper and have better timings.
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Old 2004-10-09, 11:20 PM   [Ignore Me] #4
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PCI Express is overrated right now. Currently, no game can use all the bandwidth PCI-E provides, as there isn't even anything that can tax AGP 8x yet. PCI-E cards are also expensive as heck. Also its a lot better idea to get 2x 512 sticks od DDR RAM instead of 1x 1 Gig, because 512 sticks perform a lot better, and that way you can run them in dual channel mode for a good boost in performance.
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Old 2004-10-10, 05:12 PM   [Ignore Me] #5
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The nforce4 mb's are about to launch with the dual pci-express slots. AMD is about to drop prices a cpl times coming up soon. So I'd look at this in combination of 2 6600GT's in sli and you will have a pretty nice setup.
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Old 2004-10-10, 06:19 PM   [Ignore Me] #6
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Originally Posted by Daleon
The nforce4 mb's are about to launch with the dual pci-express slots. AMD is about to drop prices a cpl times coming up soon. So I'd look at this in combination of 2 6600GT's in sli and you will have a pretty nice setup.
Yes, but two 6600's would be around $350, which is too much for me to pay for videocard capability. All of you guys, thanks for the input. Electro, sorry for the lack of clarification: I know that dual-channel is better, and that's what I intend on getting. Rbtsr, in that case, would you recommend my getting a 9800 PRO? Or would that not be good enough to run the newest games well (Medium-High Settings)? Vidman, wow, I customized, and I made an excellent machine for ~$1300: Impressive. Anyways, thanks again!
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Old 2004-10-10, 09:25 PM   [Ignore Me] #7
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Originally Posted by Daleon
The nforce4 mb's are about to launch with the dual pci-express slots. AMD is about to drop prices a cpl times coming up soon. So I'd look at this in combination of 2 6600GT's in sli and you will have a pretty nice setup.
nForce 4? Time to build a new comp....
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Old 2004-10-11, 12:41 AM   [Ignore Me] #8
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Yea, with the nforce4 mb's, the new 90nm a64's and lower prices.... I am very tempted. Have to see what sli performance is really like and if its worth giving up the XT for.
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Old 2004-10-11, 10:07 AM   [Ignore Me] #9
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But until the 939s start coming down to earth a bit, if you upgrade to the 754s you will be living back in the days of PC133 Ram, Single Channel mode.
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Old 2004-10-13, 02:05 AM   [Ignore Me] #10
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Originally Posted by Daleon
Yea, with the nforce4 mb's, the new 90nm a64's and lower prices.... I am very tempted. Have to see what sli performance is really like and if its worth giving up the XT for.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/10...s_6110146.html

...GeForce 6800 GT SLI system scored an impressive 8,081 points in the recently released 3DMark05 benchmark...
and that was with gimped drivers.

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Old 2004-10-10, 07:15 PM   [Ignore Me] #11
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Intel is not the route to take if you have a limited budget, you get more bang for your buck with AMD.
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Old 2004-10-10, 07:21 PM   [Ignore Me] #12
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Originally Posted by Sobekeus
Intel is not the route to take if you have a limited budget, you get more bang for your buck with AMD.
Really? OK, kewl. What's the AMD equivalent of a 3.0 Ghz Processor?
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Old 2004-10-10, 07:57 PM   [Ignore Me] #13
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And well Athlons are numbered based on what Intel they beat up in gym class.

Athlon 2000 roughly on par with a P4 2Ghz, Athlon 3200 roughly on par with a P4 3.2Ghz. So a P4 3.0Ghz would be fearing an Athlon 3000.

When comparing the clocks against each other it is easy to overlook the Intel Gambit, which is they bet and are right a lot of the time that consumers equate clock speed with performance.

An analogy that makes it easier to grasp the difference is Intel Pentium is to a Ferrari 575M Maranello what AMD Athlon is to a Dodge Viper RT/10.

Both are powerful, fast, and great machines, but like Ferrari, Intel suffers form an infamous overengineering philosophy and pride which barely justifies the pricetag, while like Dodge, AMD is just a down to earth pocket rocket, it works and that is what matters.

Pfft, I prolly went on longer than needed...hehe
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Old 2004-10-10, 08:20 PM   [Ignore Me] #14
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Pretty good analogy there. Yeah, AMD is definately the best deal in terms of performance per dollar. They commonly get overlooked because they work at a lower clock speed, despite thier doing more processes per clock cycle than Intel (about 50% more). You see a 2 Ghz AMD and a 3.2 Ghz Intel, and your instinct is to go with Intel because of the higher clock speed, even though the AMD is cheaper and will likely perform just as well if not BETTER than the Intel.
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Old 2004-10-11, 09:26 PM   [Ignore Me] #15
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Nope, No, no, no dual 6600gt would probably be better than a 6800gt
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