Circumcision

[Vecha]

Curious to here what people think of male circumcision.

I personally have mixed feelings.

On one hand I have heard it helps lower chance of contracting aids/hiv.

On the other, I've heard it traumatizes newborns, lowers sexual pleasure and is pointless.

Thoughts?

[Red Beard]

Originally Posted by Vecha

Curious to here what people think of male circumcision.

I personally have mixed feelings.

On one hand I have heard it helps lower chance of contracting aids/hiv.

On the other, I've heard it traumatizes newborns, lowers sexual pleasure and is pointless.

Thoughts?

(Generally speaking) I immediately see the argument for state intervention in the family for reasons that I would find laughable, if it were not for the fact that they are serious.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Red Beard

(Generally speaking) I immediately see the argument for state intervention in the family for reasons that I would find laughable, if it were not for the fact that they are serious.

I'm sorry...I'm out of it tonight...you mean intervening in their decision to do it or not?

[Red Beard]

Yes that's what I mean...Sorry I'm not directly addressing your question though; I think the issues of trauma are false, as for the other stuff I don't know.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Red Beard

Yes that's what I mean...Sorry I'm not directly addressing your question though; I think the issues of trauma are false, as for the other stuff I don't know.

Gotcha...I think. You were making a slight joke about child abuse claims, yes?

[Red Beard]

Originally Posted by Vecha

Gotcha...I think. You were making a slight joke about child abuse claims, yes?

The implication that circumcision is child abuse, yes; though I wasn't really joking; I think it's scary that people believe that and want more state intervention in a system that is progressively attacking individual freedom/family autonomy.

[Malorn]

Meh.

[Red Beard]

Originally Posted by Malorn

What's the relevance to politics? Seems like a lounge topic to me.

(Generally speaking) I immediately see the argument for state intervention in the family for reasons that I would find laughable, if it were not for the fact that they are serious.

[Vecha]

Originally Posted by Malorn

What's the relevance to politics? Seems like a lounge topic to me.

Well...WHO recommended doing it in Africa in 2010 I believe...and there are many who are against it. A huge growing trend against it actually. If I am remembering right...the WHO said they have "an uphill battle" with promoting circumcision

I'd say it is more political, or at least just as political, as topics such as the trayvon martin case.

Cultural "politics" I suppose.


EDIT: I was wrong...it was the CDC who said it helps against HIV...NOT the WHO

[Vash02]

The research into HIV/AIDS circumsion is questionable at best and the difference between the two small in any case.

May aswell just wear a condom than rather mutilating yourself and then still having to wear a condom.

[Vancha]

It decreases pleasure in the male and for the female, it's sole "benefit" is negated if you clean yourself properly. I honestly can't see why anyone's for it apart from religious reasons.

[Elude]

Originally Posted by Vancha

It decreases pleasure in the male and for the female, it's sole "benefit" is negated if you clean yourself properly. I honestly can't see why anyone's for it apart from religious reasons.

Looks neater and larger (regarding a circumcised penis).

[Vecha]

http://men.webmd.com/guide/circumcis...risks-benefits

Here's an interesting on pros and cons.

[Vancha]

Originally Posted by Elude

Looks neater and larger (regarding a circumcised penis).

I don't think they're objectively "benefits", but I'd also have to disagree on both counts (scarring isn't neat, and less skin is less volume.)

[Elude]

Let me put it this way lol... How many dick drawings have you seen that were not circumcised? Surely this must indicate a circumcised penis being more attractive right?

In the end it's all cultural but so are specific hair styles and none of those are entirely bound by religious beliefs.