New Outfits for Planetside

[Program]

So when Planetside goes F2P (being optimistic), are there going to be an entirely new group of outfits formed, or can anyone promise entire outfits to rollback? My outfit kind of fell apart after Beta, and never got a chance for good outfit play. Just a little problem that popped up in my head when I was thinking about getting to play the real Planetside for the first time.

[p0intman]

there are a ton of people that are on the 'fuck ps2' bandwagon that are simply waiting for ps1 to go free that will go back. sure, there might be a few new outfits, but there will also probably be a resurgence of oldies returning, too.

[Program]

Well said, maybe a splinter group of SuperTroopers or DevilDogs will come back and it will be like what many refer to as "the good old days." Also, apologies for the tag on the title, that was an accident.

[p0intman]

Originally Posted by Program

Well said, maybe a splinter group of SuperTroopers or DevilDogs will come back and it will be like what many refer to as "the good old days." Also, apologies for the tag on the title, that was an accident.

You could probably expect a good portion of ST, and PG, probably Ao1, SG, maybe some from HT and LMS. Not sure on some of those, haven't heard from a few of them in ages.

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

As much as I would love PS to be populated again, I don't think there will be as many as you guys think. Yes the initial week or so will be huge and awesome, but if after a month we are able to pop lock a cont I'd be surprised.

[Leet]

Nice sig.

I'm still waiting, along with others I know.

Undoubtedly the pops would drop again after a month but I think there would be enough of a retention to at least have a decent nightly fight. Hell 20v20v20 would still allow for a little bit of a fight if you wanted to log in.

I'm just afraid they're going to incorporate it with PS2 and require some kind of payment. If they implement something like that, it would really deter some of the vets sitting on the sidelines. It's f2p or basically nothing.

[Program]

Thanks, it's from one of the guys in that outfit I mentioned, he was quite talented. As far as your latter concern, I wholeheartedly agree and hope that it just goes straight F2P, no monetization, or solely cosmetic options.

[p0intman]

if they lower the sub costs for -PS1- to 5 bucks a month, ill resub in a heartbeat. I refuse to pay a regular subscription to ps2 because it is fucking terrible.

[CrazEpharmacist]

Yeah 5 bucks a month is nothing. I would gladly pay that over some crappy monetization f2p scheme soe cooks up.

[Baneblade]

There is a good chance we would play PS1 as an outfit.

[Warborn]

Planetside 1 was a bad game ten years ago. How long will nostalgia really keep you going? Y'alls crazy.

[Program]

Please, entertain me with your reasons for this statement, Warborn.

[ShockFC]

Originally Posted by Program

Please, entertain me with your reasons for this statement, Warborn.

You see, what you have in front of you are two massive turds. The older one is just a bit less smelly than the most recent. However, they both fucking stink.

[Warborn]

Planetside 2 is a much better game than Planetside 1 ever was.

Half the vehicles in Planetside 1 were shit and useless outside of gimmicks. Harassers? Threshers? ATVs? Deliverers? Deliverer variants? Sunderers? Totally pointless. Only a handful of vehicles were worth it in terms of power per player occupying the vehicle.

It pretended that it wanted vehicles to require teamwork, so MBT drivers had no guns (magrider aside), and yet the most dangerous vehicles in the game -- aircav -- were one-man vehicles. And they could fly. And they doubled as transport aircraft because you could bail from them without dying.

No resources or anything, so everything was even more pointless. Vehicle kills mattered far less in terms of depriving enemy players of the resources to get another tank or ESF, and losing territory was far less important because it carried with it minor benefits. Continent locking was just something that happened and wasn't a real metagame.

Capping bases was far less fun in PS1, because except for biolabs with the gen on the roof, they all had terrible choke points that very often turned base fights into multi-hours slogs. You'd spawn from an AMS, move 10 feet, get mowed down by 20 guys defending one 5' wide corridor, and do it over again, because the only two ways in were meatgrinders like that. If you were lucky you had a big, active outfit and maybe you could do something coordinated that'd make a difference. But if you weren't in such a group, or everyone was offline at the time, or for your average non-outfit player, it was a war of attrition a lot of the time, and got real old, real fast.

"Command" rank, which involved people spam-inviting for squads and then simply running around as per usual collecting CEP, lead to orbital strike spam after a while.

Loadouts were totally customizable, so 90% of everyone on the ground was a rexo with HA/AV, med and armor rep tools, and maybe a hacking tool, whatever it was called. Compared to PS2, where you need to pick classes and team work is necessary because everyone isn't a self-sufficient rambo (although HAs are close) it was bad. Classes > loadout tetris.

Infils in PS1 were also junk. At least in PS2 they're worth a damn and can do more than running around spawn rooms detonating boomers. Could be more for them to do in terms of hacking, similar to PS1, but it's better than either strafing people with a pistol and hoping they don't have darklight, or spamming boomers everywhere.

The list goes on. The only thing that I prefered about PS1 over PS2 is the slower pace of combat. PS1 was a terrible game and its population was always very tiny for a good reason -- people didn't enjoy playing it.

[Effective]

Originally Posted by Warborn

Planetside 2 is a much better game than Planetside 1 ever was.

Half the vehicles in Planetside 1 were shit and useless outside of gimmicks. Harassers? Threshers? ATVs? Deliverers? Deliverer variants? Sunderers? Totally pointless. Only a handful of vehicles were worth it in terms of power per player occupying the vehicle.

It pretended that it wanted vehicles to require teamwork, so MBT drivers had no guns (magrider aside), and yet the most dangerous vehicles in the game -- aircav -- were one-man vehicles. And they could fly. And they doubled as transport aircraft because you could bail from them without dying.

No resources or anything, so everything was even more pointless. Vehicle kills mattered far less in terms of depriving enemy players of the resources to get another tank or ESF, and losing territory was far less important because it carried with it minor benefits. Continent locking was just something that happened and wasn't a real metagame.

Capping bases was far less fun in PS1, because except for biolabs with the gen on the roof, they all had terrible choke points that very often turned base fights into multi-hours slogs. You'd spawn from an AMS, move 10 feet, get mowed down by 20 guys defending one 5' wide corridor, and do it over again, because the only two ways in were meatgrinders like that. If you were lucky you had a big, active outfit and maybe you could do something coordinated that'd make a difference. But if you weren't in such a group, or everyone was offline at the time, or for your average non-outfit player, it was a war of attrition a lot of the time, and got real old, real fast.

"Command" rank, which involved people spam-inviting for squads and then simply running around as per usual collecting CEP, lead to orbital strike spam after a while.

Loadouts were totally customizable, so 90% of everyone on the ground was a rexo with HA/AV, med and armor rep tools, and maybe a hacking tool, whatever it was called. Compared to PS2, where you need to pick classes and team work is necessary because everyone isn't a self-sufficient rambo (although HAs are close) it was bad. Classes > loadout tetris.

Infils in PS1 were also junk. At least in PS2 they're worth a damn and can do more than running around spawn rooms detonating boomers. Could be more for them to do in terms of hacking, similar to PS1, but it's better than either strafing people with a pistol and hoping they don't have darklight, or spamming boomers everywhere.

The list goes on. The only thing that I prefered about PS1 over PS2 is the slower pace of combat. PS1 was a terrible game and its population was always very tiny for a good reason -- people didn't enjoy playing it.

There were a lot of things wrong with PS1, but most of it was not what you just posted. Harassers were simple cheap transportation, that's all they were meant for, the fury and the wraith were both useful in their own little niche, nevermind they were cheap. Can't comment on deliverers, though the variants were strong in their own way. Sunderers were always underrated, durable, could transport a full squad, built in EMP, and could drive through shield mods. Hell, a sunderer drop from a lodestar was better then a galaxy drop.

A driver not controling the main weapon was a good thing, it kept the amount of vehicles down, and required teamwork to be had. Yes aircav (namely reavers) were far too strong, but that mostly came about as flying in PS1 being because the aircraft flew themselves and the lack of decent hand held AA.

The no resources problem was never really an issue, vehicle timers did exist, and I wouldn't call the benefits of various bases minor, considering the strength of the tech lab (advanced vehicles), interlink facilities (radar), amp stations (vehicle shields), these benefits were a great more meaningful then what PS2 provides. Continent locking is an infinitely better metagame then what PS2 provides, which is nothing.

capping bases in PS1 is way better then PS2, the bases in PS1 were too small sure, but the bases in PS2 are way too fucking big, never mind that the base design in PS2 is terrible and encourages camping in vehicles, and there are 0 chokepoints which makes defense a joke.

tools were provided in game to break past choke points, max crashes, cloakers with surge and a routerpad (something I did on a consistent basis easily), could easily break past a defense in the lobby and get a starting foothold.

The CR system needed changes yes, I did propose a CR cert system, you gained cert points unique to command abilities, which would be spent on various tools, EMP, chat, OS, reveals, and any other abilities that would be created, but you couldn't have everything.

Classes are terrible and boring. The open inventory system was a great deal better. What was wrong was when battle ranks went above 20. Sure you could go HA/AV/Med/Rexo/Engi/mossie/reaver. You have an ideal solo setup, but you can't do anything else, you can't do anything if AA is out, if the base gets hacked, if someone else dies, slow down superior numbers with explosive traps, you can't pull mobile spawn stations. You become useless.

cloaking felt more indepth in PS1, though they have more kill potential in PS2, it was because pistols were garbage in PS1, not because the cert itself was trash.