Lattice - Esamir and Amerish on the PTS

[WSNeo]

Heyo~

[BlaxicanX]

The latice on those continents is going to be very, very interesting. Hoping that the improved base flows of the two make the fights less of a perpetual tug-of-war.

[ringring]

Wow is that right! You cannot take the outposts to Andvari unless you have Andvari itself?

That makes it very hard.

[Canaris]

Originally Posted by ringring

Wow is that right! You cannot take the outposts to Andvari unless you have Andvari itself?

That makes it very hard.

no that looks like a bug, actually I logged into the game two days ago on Miller & I could see the lattice system in place there on the map thought they must be really close with it but when I CTD and logged back in it had gone, forgot to take a screenie.

Still awesome roll on the lattice

[ringring]

Originally Posted by Canaris

no that looks like a bug, actually I logged into the game two days ago on Miller & I could see the lattice system in place there on the map thought they must be really close with it but when I CTD and logged back in it had gone, forgot to take a screenie.

Still awesome roll on the lattice

I've3 just been on and checked. Andvari has 2 links, Snowshear Watchtower and Jaeger's Fist and there are now 3 sub-bases linked to Andvari and nowhere else.

Of course this may well change because the northern base, which is new, is clearly not complete and links will probably change before they go live.

I'm not against this btw, I think stuff like that could provide interest and forces commanders to think strategically, which is good.

[Gatekeeper]

Satellite facilities linking only to their parent base is pretty crazy - it completely invalidates their previous role as footholds for both attackers and defenders to fight over and instead makes them purely defensive cul-de-sacs.

Having one or two satellites (per base) in that defensive-fallback role might be interesting, but making all of them work that way will make bases incredibly hard to assault successfully and lead to some very static, repetitive fights.

Hopefully this is just work-in-progress, and the actual lattice will be a bit more sensible.

[wasdie]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Satellite facilities linking only to their parent base is pretty crazy - it completely invalidates their previous role as footholds for both attackers and defenders to fight over and instead makes them purely defensive cul-de-sacs.

Having one or two satellites (per base) in that defensive-fallback role might be interesting, but making all of them work that way will make bases incredibly hard to assault successfully and lead to some very static, repetitive fights.

Hopefully this is just work-in-progress, and the actual lattice will be a bit more sensible.

What we need is all satellite facilities to become neutral facilities again. I would also like to see outposts that aren't towers to be come neutral facilities.

[Rivenshield]

Originally Posted by Gatekeeper

Satellite facilities linking only to their parent base is pretty crazy - it completely invalidates their previous role as footholds for both attackers and defenders to fight over and instead makes them purely defensive cul-de-sacs.

A *couple* of those could add serious spice to the mix. It'd turn any given base into freaking Iwo Jima, just by drawing a few lines on the map.

[camycamera]

and on the official forums, they be ragin', with "SOE Y U NO LISTEN TO US, U RUIN OUR GAEM!" despite the fact the majority are in support of lattice :P

[Rbstr]

Originally Posted by camycamera

and on the official forums, they be ragin', with "SOE Y U NO LISTEN TO US, U RUIN OUR GAEM!" despite the fact the majority are in support of lattice :P

Oh yeah, got some quality poll data to back that up, do you?

(not against the lattice, just against claims without evidence)

[wasdie]

Esamir's is clearly a bit broken and they haven't changed up Amerish's hex system yet, but it looks like they've got the paths marked.

I'm a bit worried. A few of my outfit mates are saying once the lattice gets placed into esamir and amerish they'll leave the game. They are sick of the massive pop imbalances on indar and they blame that on the lattice.

It's not the lattice's fault that the pops get imbalanced. They got imbalanced pre-lattice system yet people believed that they could use "tactics" with the hex system and could always find a fight. This was obviously not the case but I'm not going to argue with them.

This whole lattice system is a bust until the "reinforcements needed", redeploy locations, and spawn deploy are all basically overhauled or straight up removed from this game. Right now there is no point to fighting an outnumbered fight. You can just deploy somewhere else on the continent or leave it all together. This is throwing populations off terribly.

I've addressed this in another major thread but I'll just say that until they fix the redeploy system and do something to keep people on their current continent, the population imbalances will continue to ruin what the lattice is trying to achieve.

[Rahabib]

I am not sure how I feel about the outposts as satellites approach.

On one hand it will make defense much easier since you can focus on the bases.

On the other hand, once a base falls, the outposts are inevitable since they serve no additional defensive role since it doesn't stop further advancement (its a dead end anyway). In other words, why defend them? Just go somewhere where the lattice links do serve a larger defensive role.

However, I am fairly confident, this is not how the final release will look.

[Climhazzard]

Originally Posted by Canaris

no that looks like a bug, actually I logged into the game two days ago on Miller & I could see the lattice system in place there on the map thought they must be really close with it but when I CTD and logged back in it had gone, forgot to take a screenie.

That little bug on the Live servers just displays the facility connections based on the current hex system. It's not actually an unintended "preview" of the future lattice network on those continents. They obviously haven't finalized that.

[Dragonskin]

Originally Posted by Climhazzard

That little bug on the Live servers just displays the facility connections based on the current hex system. It's not actually an unintended "preview" of the future lattice network on those continents. They obviously haven't finalized that.

I watched TwF's stream the other day and saw it happen to him. He didn't say anything about it so I thought it was just a bug with the Indar lattice showing on Esamir and Amerish.

Last night I had the bug and checked the maps switching back and forth. The lattice lanes are completely different for each map. So I guess it is kind of a preview of what is to come. Of course it is all subject to change.. but still cool to see.

I will have to re-install my test client tonight and check out the test server changes for myself.

[Climhazzard]

Originally Posted by Dragonskin

I watched TwF's stream the other day and saw it happen to him. He didn't say anything about it so I thought it was just a bug with the Indar lattice showing on Esamir and Amerish.

Last night I had the bug and checked the maps switching back and forth. The lattice lanes are completely different for each map. So I guess it is kind of a preview of what is to come. Of course it is all subject to change.. but still cool to see.

Of course they're different. Each continent has a different number of bases and those bases are in different locations. Just follow the lattice links and you'll notice that they match the current hex adjacency. The same lattice structure for Esamir and Amerish was on the PTS before the Indar went Live, but they disabled them when the GU was released.

The bug on Live really is just the current hex adjacency in lattice link form. It's not "the future", it's the present.